From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #575 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 575 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Interview - Wow oh wow! [Scott Price ] Re: madeline kahn (njc) ["Eric Taylor" ] RE: NJC Billie Holiday [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni Interview - Wow oh wow! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: madeline kahn (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Happy Holidays! (njc) [Emily Kirk Gray ] RE: madeline kahn (njc) [Louis Lynch ] Re: HAPPY EVERYTHING! [FMYFL@aol.com] To my wonderful Joni family, and Joni, too! ["Russell Bowden" ] This JUST! In ~ JM Companion SHIPS! [simon@icu.com] Re: That Was The Year That Was....(NJC and long) [Jason Maloney ] When did Joni's voice begin to deepen? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni Interview tape tree ["Kakki" ] Hi Simon & Happy Holidays to All! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: All Good Things ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: When did Joni's voice begin to deepen? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Happy holidays [Bounced Message ] New Slant on the Christmas Story [Bounced Message ] Joni in the press/ "Plug of the Week" sorta [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:46:11 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni Interview - Wow oh wow! At 09:00 PM 12/22/99, Kakki wrote: >the CONTENT of this interview is beyond FANTASTIC!!! Since "Kakki never lies" ;-) I'm sure this interview will indeed provide many insights for those of us who follow Joni's career. As one of the lucky ones who thanks to Kakki's generosity will soon be receiving a copy of the interview, I will make cassette tape copies for the first ten "real time" JMDLers and the first ten "digest" JMDLers who respond to me privately. You will need to provide a blank tape, padded envelope, and postage. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 05:52:53 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: madeline kahn (njc) WallyK noticed: << i've just read that madeline kahn died a few days ago of ovarian cancer. i'm devastated. >> ME TOO wally! Madeline was/is my favorite comic. She totally cracked me up in What's Up Doc. Her hysterical role in Blazing Saddles is PRICELESS (Is it twue what they say?) But BY FAR the funniest scene I've ever seen is from Young Frankenstein (Oh sweet mystery of life at last you've found me!) I adore Madeline & somehow know she is up There smoking a stogie with George Burns right now.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:50:24 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: NJC Billie Holiday - ---------- Mark wrote: While I certainly respect Jaimie's opinion and certainly do not want to knock 'Lady in Satin', I just have to say that this record is not at all representative of Billie's catalogue. It was about the last studio recording she made and her voice is very raw. Ray Ellis did the arrangements, heavy on strings with some high-pitched, disembodied sounding vocal backing (that ethereal sounding 'oo-oooo-ooo' kinda stuff). Anyway, all I want to say is that if you do pick this one up and it isn't your cup of tea, you aren't hearing Billie at her best, imo. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. 'You've Changed' and 'I'm A Fool To Want You' are truly gems off of 'Lady in Satin'. But Billie's earlier records are much more jazz-oriented than this one is. Mark in Seattle I agree on certain points: Ray Ellis thought that Billie's voice was shot to pieces and said so in the liner notes. I read the notes before even listening to the cd - long bus journey etc - and was expecting something quite shaky, and it is. But emotionally... WOW I was left broken hearted by her renditions of some of the songs. If you want a portrait of the last years of Billie's life then this is the one to get. That disembodied vocal backing (on one version of the song) is probably Billie learning the verses! Inthe notes it gave more details of the process of the recording which in itself is an insightful depiction of the Lady herself. It is very raw, it is very fragile but the depth of emotion is astounding. I don't think I had paid enough attention to Billie before this. Methinks I will have to listen to her back catalogue again. Merry Christmas, just before I unsub for the hols. Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:29:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Interview - Wow oh wow! Kakki said: <> As one of the lucky others, I will be glad to get copies to anyone who wants one. I haven't got it yet, but if you want to go ahead and send me a 90 minute tape with an SASE, I can be ready to go when I get my copy... My address: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 If you can't buy US Postage, just send an extra blank tape instead and that'll pay your way! I am indeed honored to be one of Santa Kakki's helpers! :~) Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Could You Believe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:40:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: madeline kahn (njc) Eric said: <> How twue, Ewic! And I loved her musical number "I'm tired of love", complete with Wild West chorus boys and the unforgettable verse about men: "They're always coming and going and going and coming...and always too SOON!" :~) A very funny, sexy lady... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Happy Holidays! (njc) to all on the list -- it's been a highlight of this year to "meet" and read so many of your probing, funny, warm thoughts. thanks for letting me in! i wish you all the best of this season and for the new year -- health, peace and time with loved ones. i also wish us all a new millenium of music! may this sparkling art form continue and burgeon and rock us all through 2000! i'm in and out of NYC for christmas and then....flying to senegal, africa to spend a few weeks with my sister (who is living there while in the peace corps). i'm thrilled and terrified (i've never even been out of the US!) but i can't wait to see what it's like. also, i'm bringing my sister tapes of lots of joni music, which she loves. does this mean i'm in the running for our first-to-see-the - -apocalypse contest???? - -- emily np: nothing but youssou n'dour, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 06:32:11 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: madeline kahn (njc) Hear! Hear! Madeline Kahn was great. Eric, you reminded me of her brushing her hair to "Glory Hallelujah" in Young Frankenstein. I just had to laugh out loud right here at my desk. And I think one of her funniest roles was Empress Nympha in Mel Brooks' "History of the World." Remember, when she was picking her dates for the orgy? Did anyone catch her on Saturday Night Live? She was a great singer, too. I too was saddened to know she passed. And, I'm sure George and Gracie will have a ball with her up there. Harper Lous - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Taylor [mailto:ewwtaylor@adelphia.net] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 5:53 AM To: JMDL Subject: Re: madeline kahn (njc) WallyK noticed: << i've just read that madeline kahn died a few days ago of ovarian cancer. i'm devastated. >> ME TOO wally! Madeline was/is my favorite comic. She totally cracked me up in What's Up Doc. Her hysterical role in Blazing Saddles is PRICELESS (Is it twue what they say?) But BY FAR the funniest scene I've ever seen is from Young Frankenstein (Oh sweet mystery of life at last you've found me!) I adore Madeline & somehow know she is up There smoking a stogie with George Burns right now.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:44:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: HAPPY EVERYTHING! Anne and Pat wrote: << << Before I'm the only one left 'on board' I want to wish all of you very healthy, happy, loving, and musical holidays. >> i'm not going anywhere, so post away. reminds me of the day before the ne. fest in august. no mail for almost 24 hours. i kept looking for someone to play with, but everyone was having fun. pat >> I know what you mean Pat. It reminds me of the 1959 movie "The World, The Flesh, and The Devil" with Harry Belafonte and Inger Stevens, where Harry is a miner who is trapped while a nuclear war is occurring. He digs his way out and finds he's the only survivor on earth until he finds Inger Stevens. Real eerie but good movie. I'm still here too, but I do wish a happy holiday season to all of you wonderful people who won't be checking their email for awhile. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:19:44 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: To my wonderful Joni family, and Joni, too! Hey, All, Hoping the peace born a couple thousand years ago finds all of you during this season, and continues with you for whatever is coming next. Much love and good wishes, Russ NPIMH Christmas is sparkling....... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:19:18 -0500 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Domain Name Has anyone seen the Joni.com domain name sale on Amazon.com??????? The bidding closes next week and there is already one bidder for over $9,000. Wow, what will they bid on next? Any thoughts on this? 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In ~ JM Companion SHIPS! i thought some members of the JMDL might be interested in the following message i rec'd short while ago. this order was placed on March 28, 1999 and has been open since then. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >To: simon@icu.com >From: orders@amazon.com >Subject: Your Amazon.com order (#002-5778599-1563669) >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:17:26 -0800 (PST) > >Greetings from Amazon.com. > >We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items today, >and that this completes your order. > >Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again soon. > >The following items were included in this shipment: >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Qty Item Price Shipped Subtotal >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >1 The Joni Mitchell Companion; F $12.00 1 $12.00 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Item Subtotal: $12.00 > Shipping & Handling: $ 3.95 > Total: $15.95 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This shipment was sent to: > > simon montgomery > 5N manors apts. > pomona, n.y. 10970-2623 > >via US Priority Mail (complimentary upgrade) (3-7 business days). > >Unfortunately, this carrier does not provide tracking numbers. > >To see the latest information about your order, visit Your Account at >http://www.amazon.com/your-account. Your Account lets you manage >your orders online by giving you the ability to do the following: > > * See your order status > * Cancel items that have not entered the shipping process > * Edit the shipping options and addresses on unshipped items > * Modify the payment method or credit card info on unshipped items > * Change your e-mail address or password > * Update your subscriptions to our Personal Notification Services > >You can also reach Your Account by clicking on the link in the >top right corner of any page on our Web site. > >If you still need to get in touch with us about your order, send >an e-mail message to orders@amazon.com, or contact us via FAX >(1-206-266-2950) or phone (1-800-201-7575 for US customers or >1-206-266-2992 for international customers). > >Thank you for shopping at Amazon.com. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Amazon.com >Earth's Biggest Selection >info@amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------- Yea! i'm still here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:37:29 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: That Was The Year That Was....(NJC and long) colin wrote : > many thanks to you for trusting enough to write this. It is a PRIVILAGE > when someone shows enough trust to be open and honest about their feelings. > feelings are very precious and delicate. To trust another to be careful with > them, to be gentle with the self you have just revealed, is an honour and > not to be treated glibly or sneered at. Thank you colin, your reply was extremely welcome and the sentiments very useful and valid. I felt very vulnerable and bogged down that night, it had been building up for a few days, and I just hoped it would not be taken in the wrong way. I didn't think it would, but you can never be 100% sure. I'd also like to thank everyone else who has given such warm and valued feedback from my post. I must admit that I do feel all of you on the JMDL are people I can trust enough to do such a thing. I don't often feel the need to share my troubles in that way, but I did feel a huge burden lifted once I did. The kind replies, and the advice/thoughts given, has been sincerely appreciated. > I hope my lenghty reply has not been presumptuous. Not at all. In fact, I feel it deserves a full reply from me. I shall try to do so tomorrow. Best wishes, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:38:02 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: All Good Things Actually NJC but I wanted to wish everyone on the list the absolute maximum amount of love and blessings they can get a hold of over the next few days, whatever they may mean to you. Special cosmic karmic caresses to all who may need extra healing, either physical or spiritual. Anyone who wants to can read on; otherwise feel free to delete with impunity. I've only been on the list for two months or so and when I first listened in I thought "Why are these people telling each other all these things?" I'm still not sure why, but there's something about being a part of this community that seems to make people want to open up, including me and, believe me, I'm neither a joiner nor an open-upper (opener-up?). This will be a special Christmas for Susan and I this year because all three of our (combined) children will be here for Christmas Day, something that hasn't happened for over ten years. They're all in their early twenties and are usually off travelling or working or living elsewhere. When my son told me he was coming to Vancouver for the holiday he said he needed to be somewhere that people didn't fight as part of their Christmas tradition. My heart glowed. I'm not a Christian or pagan or new-ager or a believer in anything organized or ritualized. But there is one thing I know can make a difference: Love. Give it freely, accept it graciously. After all, "love's the greatest beauty", right? All good things, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:46:20 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: When did Joni's voice begin to deepen? I don't have any of Joni's CD's from HOSL through "Night Ride Home".On NRH Joni's voice is considerably deeper then it was on HOSL.When did her voice change begin?Was it a gradual change,or did it happen within a short space of time?Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:32:23 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Interview tape tree Reindeer Bob wrote ;-): > I am indeed honored to be one of Santa Kakki's helpers! :~) And I am honored for the help from you, Scott, Eric, Julian, Les and Kenny G.! Also, thanks again to Ken Corral for his enthusiasm and support in helping me "underwrite" this project ;-) I've heard the interview now about 8 times and discover a new tidbit on each listen. It's chock full of new information and so delightful that I will send it to anyone else, for no charge or trade, whether inside or outside the U.S., who will offer to make copies for others. Kakki NP: what else? ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:00:12 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Hi Simon & Happy Holidays to All! - ------------------- > > Yea! i'm still here. > > Glad to know it! The best of Holidays to everyone! May you be surrounded by love & good cheer! Mark & Travis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:03:23 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: All Good Things > > I'm not a Christian or pagan or new-ager or a believer in anything organized > or ritualized. But there is one thing I know can make a difference: > Love. Give it freely, accept it graciously. > After all, "love's the greatest beauty", right? > > All good things, > Rick Beautifully expressed! I'm so glad you will have your family together for the holidays, Rick. Peace & Much Love & Joy to All, Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:54:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: When did Joni's voice begin to deepen? to me the most noticeable change happened at the time of wtrf. however, when you listen to the rock master class [and that was AFTER wtrf] she has her ftr voice!!! and there is yet another funny change in her voice from stas to clouds: she actually went HIGHER then! joni, why d'ya have to get so drunk and lead us on that way?!?! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: Jueves 23 de Diciembre de 1999 21:46 Asunto: When did Joni's voice begin to deepen? > > > I don't have any of Joni's CD's from HOSL through "Night Ride > Home".On NRH Joni's voice is considerably deeper then it was on HOSL.When did > her voice change begin?Was it a gradual change,or did it happen within a > short space of time?Thanks. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:28:38 -0600 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Joni Interview tape tree Hi All, Patti in Dallas here, willing and able to receive Joni interview tape/CD and make CD copies for any interested. My address: Patti Haskins 222 S. Rosemont Ave. Dallas, TX 75208 and by the way, Kakki, if I had your address, I'd send whatever you'd like in return to you for receiving said tape or CD. And to all, a merry merry and a happy happy. NP - my husband, strumming and singing. And what a delight, I must say. If anyone is interested in hearing some great "punk rock" from the seventies, go to www.nervebreakers.com for a treat! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:52:55 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: All Good Things (NJC) Rick so beautifully wrote: << I've only been on the list for two months or so and when I first listened in I thought "Why are these people telling each other all these things?" I'm still not sure why, but there's something about being a part of this community that seems to make people want to open up, including me and, believe me, I'm neither a joiner nor an open-upper (opener-up?). >> Rick, I felt the same way when I joined the JMDL almost 2 years ago. I didn't post back then, but I wondered "why are these people posting about such personal things"? I'm not a *joiner* or a person that opens up that easily either. Now, I think that I am closer to so many JMDLer's than some of my blood relatives. It's so nice to spit your guts out to people who really care. I wish you and your family a very happy holiday, and thank you for such a beautiful post! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:59:09 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Interview tape tree > Patti in Dallas here, willing and able to receive Joni interview tape/CD and > make CD copies for any interested. My address: > Patti Haskins > 222 S. Rosemont Ave. > Dallas, TX 75208 YAY Patti! I only have a tape to offer but will send one right out to you! Thanks! Kakki, going to address the envelope right now ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:37:11 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Happy holidays Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:14:23 +0000 From: Martin Giles Just a quick message to wish everybody a very happy christmas and new year. Hope all your dreams come true. I'm un.sub.scribing for the holidays, but I'll be right back again on Jan 4th. Anybody who's going to the uk2000 jonifest - see you there!! atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:36:28 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: New Slant on the Christmas Story From: "cantamus2" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:41:54 -0000 There's nothing like a bit of self promotion. When I haven't been listening to, or playing Joni's music for the last thirty years, I've been writing little things of my own. I know I'm not in the same league, but nonetheless I'd like to share my latest offering with my fellow listers. I've finally gottten round to posting a rock opera I've been working on, on the Internet. It's called "Call His Name Emmanuel" and if you're interested you can find it at http://freespace.virgin.net/pete.sullivan/emmanuel.html I'm quite proud, and not in the least ashamed, of the fact that item 14 of my opus was influenced by Joni's "Conversation" chord progression. I wish I could have included something as good as "Slouching Toward Bethlehem", but then we're not all genii. I'm quite proud of item 18 though. Try it, tell me what you think. Merry Christmas to all Joni fans, and here's to a new millennium, and many more Joni albums. n.p. Turbulent Indigo Peter Sullivan cantamus2@breathemail.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:38:07 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni in the press/ "Plug of the Week" sorta From: "Robert Youngken" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:12:13 -0800 1. I apologize if this is old news, but I have not been able to keep up with postings, what with work, xmas, buying freeeze dried food and shotgun shells (ONLY kidding). Anyway, I found a story on Joni's painting and music in an audiophile (High End music and gear) type mag at Barnes and Noble. Jotted the name down. Lost it. Good news is that her name is on the cover (bottom half , I think), so browse! Better news is that it is respectful of her and her work. Be mindful that you need to go to a Big store as this is a minor mag you won't find at the grocery. 2. I want to not be so overtly up-front as the "Plug of the Week" offerings sometimes seem, so I guess this is just a "What I'm Listening To.." . Anyhow: I was in the dreaded Tower Records recently and saw a "Best of the Band II" disc in the bargain bin. (do not ignore this bin-I got all of my Joni HDCDs there!!). I really wasn't expecting much, but in light of Rick Danko's demise and for only eight bucks and change... Well, if you are friends of The Band, this will warm your hearts a bit. (Joni connection: as contemporaries from the Golden Years of Music, Joni appeared in the group's final concert effort-"The Last Waltz" album and video. While not musically similar, they all drew from new sources and took music in exciting new directions.) This volume two of hits is actually drawn from the 90's output of the group. They got back together a year before their Hall of Fame induction in 1994 (?). They sound much like they always did, and that is a good thing. The famous Band harmonies are terrific, and the vocals on Dylan's "Forever Young" are great. So if your Tower Records puts out a similar bargain bin for us smart bottom feeders, this is a possible gem. Also, see Astrud Gilberto's disc on Verve in the bin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown #9 # 9 Elton John :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:43:30 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: A special wish just for you (NJC) Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all . . . and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2000, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. (By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.) - ---- Let all these dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kennelled in me. Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #575 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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