From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #569 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, December 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 569 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A.Word.A.Day--mondegreen (NJC) [Janet Hess ] Re: Do 3 Threads Make a Braid? NJC [catman ] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (unfortunately, NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Both Sides Now [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Both Sides Now - page 2 [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Both Sides Now [Jerry Notaro ] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Fw: Help - Joni interview on KCSN 88.5 FM Tuesday 12/21 [Jerry Notaro] Re: Both Sides Now - page 2 [Jerry Notaro ] J.Kelly Paved Paradise [Julian51469@aol.com] RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: JMDLer Steve Polifka [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees Recipe (NJC) (MD) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (unfortunately, NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: DJRD cont. ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Do 3 Threads Make a Braid? NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees Recipe (NJC) (MD) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (mine has JC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Happy Holidays... (VLJC) [Steve Polifka ] Top Five Things I heard in of 1999 (mine has JC) [Jamie Zubairi ] Louis Riel coffeehouse [Steve Dulson ] Re: DJRD cont. [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: calling all music sluts (njc) [michael w yarbrough ] Re: the Joni Mitchell Companion ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: DJRD cont. [Jerry Notaro ] Re: DJRD cont. [David Wright ] Good News! Joni interview on KCSN 88.5 FM tomorrow ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDLer Steve Polifka ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 03:37:45 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: A.Word.A.Day--mondegreen (NJC) A Word A Day today features one of our faves here on the JMDL: mondegreen! Here's their take on it: - ------------------------ >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:04:07 -0500 >From: Wordsmith >To: linguaphile@wordsmith.org >Subject: A.Word.A.Day--mondegreen > >mondegreen (MON-di-green) noun > > A word or phrase resulting from a misinterpretation of a word or phrase > that has been heard. > >[Coined by British author S. Wright] > > "`Mondegreens can be found in every area of the spoken word,' writes > (Gavin) Edwards, `from the record buyer who asks for a copy of the Queen > single `Bohemian Rap City' (It's "Bohemian Rhapsody") to the schoolchild > who is convinced that the Pledge of Allegiance begins `I led the pigeons > to the flag.'" > Duckett, Jodi, 'The Ants Are' Lies in Garbled Lyrics, St. Louis > Post-Dispatch, 19 Oct 1995. > >Face it, you have been guilty of it since early childhood. Beginning with >the nursery rhymes you heard on the playground to the national anthem you >recited in school to crooning with the love songs on the radio, you have >been misinterpreting and repeating them. Now you know there is a word for >it and that you are not alone. Luckily there are no Mondegreen Police or we >would all be behind bars. No matter what your native tongue, chances are you >have experienced mondegreens in your language. > >Whether you consider mondegreens a case of aural dyslexia or a variant of >Freudian slip, the results are often much more fascinating than the original >matter. The mondegreen effect is not limited to lyrics either. More than one >school librarian has seen distraught pupils complaining of not being able to >locate the book mentioned in their class: Charles Darwin's seminal work >"Oranges and Peaches". The other day I received a message requesting me to >add the sender to the mailing list she heard about over lunch. She thought >I run a mailing list called "What a day!" that is supposed to improve one's >vocabulary. > >So how did we come to call this oral-cum-aural phenomenon mondegreen? It all >started when a courageous woman named Sylvia Wright confessed to mishearing >the following words of a Scottish folksong: > They hae slain the Earl of Moray / And lain him on the green >as > They hae slain the Earl Amurray / And Lady Mondegreen > >Imagine Wright's disappointment when she discovered that there was no Lady >Mondegreen who valiantly gave her life to be with her love. She wrote her >story in the November 1954 issue of Harper's Magazine and ever since we have >labeled these occurrences in honor of Lady Mondegreen's sacrifice. > >During the rest of this week, we'll see some other coined words. -Anu > >............................................................................. >If you feel that you have both feet planted on level ground, then the >university has failed you. -Robert Goheen, President, Princeton University > >Q: Tomorrow is my friend's birthday and I forgot to send her a gift. Help! >A: Give the gift of words. Send a gift subscription of A.Word.A.Day at > http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html . It is the gift that keeps on > giving the whole year long, and beyond. > >Pronunciation: >http://www.wordsmith.org/words/mondegreen.wav >http://www.wordsmith.org/words/mondegreen.ram > Let all these dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kennelled in me. Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:53:44 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Do 3 Threads Make a Braid? NJC Well I am glad you weren't insulted. I was just being a bit naughty. Britain does not have the monopoly on taste! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/99 6:35:04 PM US Central Standard Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << Obviouslt the people around here have been watching too much American tv. > We > used to be quite civilised and tasteful about Xmas!!! >> > > I agree with you 108% about that one, Colin. We went to a Christmas party > last night, and the houses in the neighborhood seemed to be COMPETING with > each other as far as lights and tacky yard displays were concerned...lights > in bushes and even draped to the tops of tall trees, lights outlining the > garage door, blinking, multi-colored, icicle lights everywhere, lit up > snowmen, Santas, baby Jesuses, you name it! Very gross. You'd be proud of us > though...all we do is hang a wreath on the front of our house. > > Your statement reminds me of something I heard a man from Mexico say, "In > Mexico we have *Christmas*, in America you have *presents*'." > Sad but mostly true. > > Bob > > NP: A Bird That Whistles, "The Silky Veils of Ardor" - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:57:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--mondegreen (NJC) And I thought Mondegreen was a word that our Terry M had made up! I had never heard it before I joined this list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:59:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (unfortunately, NJC) Thank yo, Jason. Lets hope the New Year brings a return to good health for you. best wishes colin Jason Maloney wrote: > Colin, > > I know we have not seen eye-to-eye this year, and I get the feeling you no > longer *trust* me, but whatever differences we have, I am still delighted to > hear of these wonderful improvements, even to your life. I would not wish > ill on anyone, and I hope this *heaven* continues for you. From my own > experiences, I know how vital such changes can be. > > Jason. > > catman wrote: > > > This is the first year for years that i have NOT bought any cd's at all. > > Not a video either. Only been to the cinema three times. > > Am I complaing of being poor? NO WAY! We finally bought a house, our > > home. Finally we have peace and quiet. I can walk the streets and not > > feel threatended or be asaulted. I can leave my front door unlocked. I > > can leave the car unlocked with stuff inside it. The dogs can play in > > the garden and not get things chucked at them or stolen. I can sit > > indoors all day long and not hear one sound from outside my home. I can > > sleep the whole night thru without waking up. I can listen to music and > > tv or radio loud enough for me to hear as i don't have to be able to > > listen for trouble. > > I can actually sit an watch a whole film on the tv without getting up to > > check things out. My neck and shoulders don't ache all the time from > > being 'ready'. I am not afraid my pc will get stolen. I can go out and > > know my home will be intact when i return. I don't have 'good xtians' > > preaching at my door or warning the nieghbours that friendship with us > > will lead to Hell. > > I walk down the street and people smile and say hello-and i don't know > > them. I say hello and smile to people who work in shops and they > > respond. the checkout people all smile and say hello and ask how I am. > > I go for long walks with the dogs and don't hurry. I no longer drive > > miles away after midnight just to walk them. > > I no longer have to stifle my 'crazy cries of love'. > > We found a church which we attend every Sunday where we are accepted as > > we are and are not expected to change, nor are we seen as odd or less > > than, or inherently sinful, and where love is not witheld from us. True > > Christianity at work, where Jesus is not used as a weapon of hate. > > And our neighbours, an ordinary family, have invited us to Xmas dinner. > > > > Never give up hoping and always keep your faith, heaven may be just > > around the corner. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:45:45 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Don wrote: >I'm funny on films too ... I don't know about others, >but I thought Bill Murray's "Scrooged" was hysterical >-- any character with a stomach for that much vodka >and Diet Coke is cool by me! I thought it was hilarious too, but then I think ANYthing by Bill Murray is hilarious. I roll on the floor with laughter at the "I'm sailing!" scene (where he's tied to the mast with ropes and chains) in "What About Bob?" Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:44:00 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Penny wrote: >I was listening to the radio the other day and the DJ read a news story >about a guy from up here, in the USA, Pac NW that mailed his mom in >Arizona her Christmas tree. Tree plus postage cost him like $65, but >had she bought the same tree there it would have been $80. E-gad! Wow! I didn't realise how good we have it! The average Xmas tree here is about NZD$15-20 (about USD$7-10), and that's for a 6-7 foot tree! But when I was young, we just wandered up into the bush behind us and cut a nice-looking branch! We have Pinus radiata (Monterey Pine) and it smells wonderful - nothing quite like it, even putting up with pine needles all through the carpet, and Xmas decorations spread from one end of the house to the other by the cat! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:51:34 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Catgirl wrote: >I always hated the idea of cutting down tons of trees just to display for a >few weeks but knowing that land will stay open space makes it worth while! >Catgirl NP-Long time coming -CSN awesome version Hellen!! I always used to like the expression "Jesus never said 'Let's kill trees for Xmas'" but I like your philosophy much better - you get the best of both worlds: real Chrissy trees and open spaces! And these days, most trees are commercially grown for the purpose, so it's not so bad. And you can always cut them up for firewood! Helen P.S. Catgirl - glad you like it! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:55:27 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (unfortunately, NJC) Colin wrote: >Never give up hoping and always keep your faith, heaven may be just >around the corner. I don't know about anyone else, but your life sounds pretty idyllic to me! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:13:28 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Joniphiles in NZ A while back I posted a message about a wonderful jazz/blues band I'd seen in a bar here in Auckland. I did a bit of research online in a spare moment, and found the NZ jazz website. All the members of the band were mentioned, and there was an interview transcribed with the drummer, Tony Hopkins. I knew I was onto a good thing when I read that he considers Joni one of his influences/idols. He then went on to say that Shadows and Light would be one of the 10 albums he'd take to a desert island! Good man! So I went back this last Thursday (very difficult night, I was dying for a beer, but I was the designated driver - won't be doing that again in a hurry!) but the band were superb as always - I swear the guitarist is a genius! But I happened to catch up with Tony Hopkins afterwards (about 2am) and asked if I could make a request. He looked a little dubious, but asked "What would that be?" The look on his face when I replied "Anything from Shadows and Light" was glorious. I've never seen anyone react like that - he was preaching to the converted - but it was just so wonderful to see someone else so into Joni. We discussed what song would be best, and I think they could absolutely nail "Black Crow"! All I hope now, is that he took me seriously, and he's teaching the rest of the band the song for next week! Sorry for taking up bandwidth with this again, but it's such a delight to find another Joniphile here in Aotearoa! And while I remember, Merry Xmas to everyone on the list. May Santa bring you large and expensive gifts, and may your only hardships be a scarcity of leftovers on Boxing Day! I'll think of you all while I'm lying on the beach! Seriously, I'd like to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas. Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:44:36 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides Now I'm a big Judy Collins fans as well as a Joni Mitchell fan.I know that Judy and Joni used to be close friends.Does anyone know if they are still friends with each other? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:57:01 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides Now - page 2 Leslie writes: << I forgot to mention that Joni chose 3 people to "thank" in the album credits - #1 Wally Breese, #2 Paul Starr and #3 Don Freed. >> It is so wonderful and deserving that Joni chose Wally as one of three people to thank on "Both Sides Now". She really cares about you Wally (as we all do). Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:33:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both Sides Now Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I'm a big Judy Collins fans as well as a Joni Mitchell fan.I know that > Judy and Joni used to be close friends.Does anyone know if they are still > friends with each other? They became friends when they both lived in NYC. Joni moved to California over 30 years ago to be part of that scene, and Judy still lives in NYC. They both still speak highly of each other, and Joni has mentioned Judy's early influence on her on several occasions. Jerry np: Dave Matthews Band - Listener Supported ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:53:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Helen said: <> But you SHOULD NOT burn Christmas trees in your fireplace...they will coat the chimnay with creosote and make it flammable... At least here in Greenville we do the "Grinding of the Greens", where the city comes and picks up the trees for recycling and grinding into mulch... Bob NP: Lauryn Hill, "When it Hurts So Bad" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:00:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fw: Help - Joni interview on KCSN 88.5 FM Tuesday 12/21 Kakki wrote: > > update you all tomorrow on any progess I make. Another thought I had is > > that perhaps there are other listmembers who have the ability to download > > the tape (if we get it) to a website on mp3. If I can get a tape and > > someone can do the mp3 part, I will Federal Express it to that person so > > everyone can tune it to it as soon as possible. > > > > Kakki > > > > NP: JMDL'er Steve Polifka - Last Train Home (WOWSA YOWSA!) Well JMDLer's do have similar taste. I heard this last August by Steve and it was my favorite on his tape. Very concise imagery without being melancholy. Jerry np: Steve Polifka - Cobalt Blue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:02:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both Sides Now - page 2 Leslie Mixon wrote: > I forgot to mention that Joni chose 3 people to "thank" in the album > credits - #1 Wally Breese, #2 Paul Starr and #3 Don Freed. Robbie > Cavalino told Wally that the rest of the thank yous were from Larry > Klein, including Joni's parents! > > Pretty impressive, eh? It may be the nicest thing I've heard in a very long time. I even forgive her for Mingus, now. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:33:08 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: J.Kelly Paved Paradise In a message dated 12/20/99 3:02:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:06:20 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Paved Paradise From: "Brian Workman" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:20:10 -0500 Last week or the week before) there was a post re: a performance of Paved Paradise at the Barns of Wolf Trap on 23 Jan. Could whoever posted that let me know where they found that out. The wolf trap web site, the Washing Post, and the Wolf Trap ticket number knows nothing about it. I want desperately to see it, so if it's happening, I'm there! Bedublyu >> I meant to post this yesterday when I found the info... "John Kelly in Paved Paradise the songs of Joni Mitchell Three performances only! Friday and Saturday January 21-22, 8pm Sunday, January 23, 4pm Dance Place, 3225 8th St., NE [Washington, DC] John Kelly pays homage to the legendary singer songwriter in a concert evening of her songs. For more info and a cool Hejira picture go to: http://www.wpas.org/evlist.asp?p=92 Maybe I'll see you there. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:45:36 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) <> same here. trees and kitties don't mix well. it's not the batting of ornaments - it's the drinking from the tree stand and then (worst of all) peeing by the base of the tree that got to me. BUT, my boyfriend and I got a tree Saturday night for his house, so I'm getting to enjoy that wonderful scent of pine again ;-) anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:48:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--mondegreen (NJC) Janet wrote: >A Word A Day today features one of our faves here on the JMDL: >mondegreen! >Here's their take on it: > I work for the communications branch of the provincial ministry of health here in the province of Ontario (Canada). Years ago, before we had IVR telephone systems and automatic call distributors and so on, we had a receptionist by the name of Ruth who would answer all the calls. If it was a media inquiry, she'd put the call through to a media officer; if it was a member of the public, she'd put it through to a public information officer. If one of these were busy, she'd take the person's name, number and a brief message so we could call them back. Ruth was famous for her misinterpretation of the English language. If she didn't understand what one of us was talking about, she would often ask one of us to be more pacific (and I would wonder whether I was being too atlantic for her!) She once took a message for someone who wanted information on rabbit-bats and asked me if I had ever heard of these. What the person really wanted was information on rabid bats. Another time there was a schoolchild doing a project on youth in Asia. I wondered why someone would call the provincial health ministry if they were doing a geography project about China or India. In fact, the information they wanted was regarding euthanasia. And lastly, way back then, people were actually allowed to smoke in the office (you don't say! yes, I do - imagine that!) but the more socially conscious of the smokers had "air ecologizers" in their offices which were supposed to suck in all the smoke, rendering it harmless to non-smokers. Our speech-writer, a very funny man named Ken, was having trouble with this machine and needed to get it fixed. One day, Ruth was overheard asking Ken how his ejaculator was working. Is that Mondegreen enough for you? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:55:59 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Lana's Christmas (NJC) Hi Ange. This has probably touched me more than any story I've heard in a long time. I'll be thinking of Lana - especially in this season. Does Lana know about this list? I'm just kind of thinking it would be neat to have as many of us as possible send her a Christmas card. What do you think? Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:53:00 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLer Steve Polifka Kakki wrote: << > > Kakki > > > > NP: JMDL'er Steve Polifka - Last Train Home (WOWSA YOWSA!) >> and Jerry writes: I have to agree with both of you. "Last Train Home" is my favorite on Steve's tape, but I really like "A Case of Mistaken Identity". I can't wait to here Steve *live* in New Orleans. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:54:13 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees Recipe (NJC) (MD) Actually for years I have always saved my christmas tree and bit off small pieces to chew on for the remainder of the year. A seven foot tree will provide enough tasty sap filled bites to last virtually the rest of the year until next christmas. After about 6 months the wood sort of tightens up and it requires me to suck on the wood for a somewhat longer period of time to soften it up but its a small price to pay for the pine scented breath I acquire. Trees should be cut into small half inch thick slices and they can be marinated in soy sauce, creole shrimp bits, melted butter, and add just a little arrigula and its yummy. Or you can simply soak it in maple syrup for that refreshing "piece of vermont" taste. Anyway you try it used christmas trees should never be simply discarded when they make such good snacks. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:18:51 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (unfortunately, NJC) My top five -- in a year of five. Fortunately, 2000 is already looking up in the "new release" department: 1. "Suicane Gratifaction" -- Paul Westerberg 2. "Mock Tudor" -- Richard Thompson 3. "Echo" -- Tom Petty 4. "Cheryl Crow and Friends Live In Central Park" 5. "Brand New Day" -- Sting ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:25:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: calling all music sluts (njc) Jason wrote: >I couldn't resist the posts from Evian and WallyK.....unashamed >music-slut that I am too ;o) ... >I am a huge admirer of most things Spice, and Geri in particular ;-) As the mother of a 12-year-old, I've had plenty of Spice exposure. I wasn't terribly impressed by Geri's solo stuff - I would actually have expected a bit better of her. I must admit though, I think Mel C's going to have a career ahead of her. I always thought she was the most talented of the lot, even though she's not the best-looking and her voice isn't what I would call great- but it is unique, and she does have some kind of presence. If anyone, I think she's the one that's going to go somewhere. My daughter listens to a lot of what I guess you would call "dance" music, ranging anywhere from Christina Angulerra (I know that's not how you spell her name, but that's how Sarah pronounces it!) and Britney Spears (yikes!) to rap music and Shania Twain ("Man, I feel like a woman!" does that sound to anyone else but me like an anthem for cross-dressers? (jeez, what a weird combination of music!) There's actually one or two rap-type songs that I've gotten to like. I have no idea who does them, but one of them is a female who sings something like "I'm not gon' cry [something] and I'm not gon' be your slave". I kind of like that one. Then there's this other one by a guy which has a harp bit in it - I admit I kinda like that one too. God help me. As for the other stuff, I don't know much about '80's music at all. Evian, I can't even help you with the one that you think may have been Canadian, but maybe if you sing a few bars... I've never heard of most of the stuff y'all are talking about! I think I may have missed that entire decade! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:33:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: DJRD cont. Emily said: > ><< i agree, i agree! that song ends a work of art more perfectly than most > things i can think of, especially the last two lines, >> > And Bob replied: >Of course the whole of DJRD is genius, unrecognized by most. Ain't it cool >that WE all get it... One of the things that I think is ingenious about this song is the way Joni has taken lyrics from a number of very old folksongs and brought them together in one original song with her own variations and additions to these. Songs such as "The water is wide/ I cannot cross o'er/ and neither have I wings to fly/ But go and get me some little boat/ and both shall cross, my true love and I." And others which have been mentioned in this list over the last few months. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:53:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Do 3 Threads Make a Braid? NJC Catman wrote: >Obviouslt the people around here have been watching too much >American tv. >We used to be quite civilised and tasteful about >Xmas!!! Bob replied: >I agree with you 108% about that one, Colin. We went to a Christmas >party >last night, and the houses in the neighborhood seemed to be >COMPETING with >each other as far as lights and tacky yard displays >were >concerned...lights in bushes and even draped to the tops of >tall trees, >lights outlining the garage door, blinking, multi->colored, icicle lights >everywhere, lit up snowmen, Santas, baby >Jesuses, you name it! Very gross. >You'd be proud of us >though...all we do is hang a wreath on the front of our house. It's happening here too. It seems to be getting tackier and gaudier every year. Our street looks like the Ginza in Tokyo - more lights than ever. We're on a flight path too. I imagine planes landing on our street thinking they've reached runway #2 or something. I think it IS a competition thing. The icicle- and net-lights thing has gotten out of hand. Has the economy gotten that good? Imagine the hydro bill (that's Canadian for electrical!) I've got a few lights up but I think next year, I'm gonna go the Bob-route. Nix the lights, just a tasteful wreath. There's nothing like understatement in my book. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:59:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Do 3 Threads Make a Braid? NJC Bob said: >in your own little bit of synchronicity, Jim Henson got the names >Bert & >Ernie from where? That's right, the cab driver and the >policeman in "It's >a Wonderful Life"! Wow, what a coinkadinky! I didn't know that, Bob - isn't that interesting? Then Rick asked: >Are B & E still on Sesame Street? Or as they bastardized it >here in Canada, Sesame Park. Wait a minute, Rick - when did they change it from street to park in Canada? My kids have outgrown it, but it was still Sesame STREET when they watched it and that's not that long ago (maybe 2-3 yrs for my younger one?) The Canadian version did have a few "CanCon" additions - a bear and an old broad who flew a plane. But most of it was the same stuff on the American version. Of course, if they were watching PBS from Buffao, it would be strictly the American version. Notice how more Canadian kids are pronouncing the last letter of the alphabet "Zee" instead of "Zed"? (To me "Zed" makes more sense because "Zee" sounds too much like "C" over the phone.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:03:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Grover Washington Jr. (NJC) Jimmy wrote: >I just heard on the news that Grover Washington Jr. just died. I am > >deeply saddened by this loss to the music world. He was responsible >for >my love of jazz. I first heard one of his LP's when I graduated >from high >school, and fell in love with the sound of his saxophone. >I will truly >miss this great musician. > All I can say is, me too! I thought Grover would live forever. He can't have been very old. A friend of mine once wrote a science fiction story set many years in the future in which the music of Grover Washington 23rd was featured. I can echo everything you've said. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:10:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) Sue wrote: >I basically think that assumption about Joni changing >her name is crap. I know Joni can be pretentious at times, but if >she >changed her name in art school when she was 19 it was probably >because she >thought Joni sounded more like a ukelele player than >Joan. It's gotta be total crap. she would still have been Joan Anderson at that time, not Mitchell. And who didn't go through the name-change thingy as a teenager - girls in particular? I went though a phase of calling myself "Cathy" but realized, I wasn't a Cathy at all. I think of Cathy as the cheerleader type - and that ain't me! I knew another Catherine/Cathy who spelled her name Cathe with an accente-aigue over the e. Now that's pretentious! But typically teenaged girl stuff, along with dotting your i's with circles or, better yet, flowers (I know someone in her 40s who still does that - yikes!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:27:51 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees Recipe (NJC) (MD) <> but given the problem of the creasote build up in the chimney, isn't it dangerous to your lower g.i., ....well, if you follow my trajectory here....you know....a little fart could blow out your whole system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:38:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Five Releases of 1999 (mine has JC) I guess it's that time of the year where we list our top 5, and unless Santa brings me something on Saturday here's mine: 1. Sting -"Brand New Day" 2. Santana -"Supernatural" 3. Diana Krall -"When I Look In Your Eyes" 4. David Lahm - "Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell" 5. Macy Gray - "On How Life Is" Plus I Love "The Jonifest Box Set" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:38:15 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Holidays... (VLJC) To all My friends and aquaintences on the JMDL, (Wally, Les, Kakki, Catgirl, Jimmy, Jerry, Bob, Michael, Penny, Rich, and you know there may be more...) I wanted to send you a greeting for the holiday, and ran across something I wrote for a new friend some time ago. You may not be able to hear the music, but it says exactly how I feel: My Wish… Though we've known each other For a very short time How amazing- our thoughts and lives Have intertwined I pray we will not part Too soon for us to know How love, hope, And our dreams may grow Thank you for honestly caring And sharing all you are As I gaze from earth To a myriad of stars From my humble heart My Wish for you is: May all your dreams come true… Peace and Light, (c 1990 Steve Polifka) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:20:42 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Top Five Things I heard in of 1999 (mine has JC) Well, I thought that I will have a top 5 too! It's more stuff which I heard this year and probably not stuff that was released this year: 1) Gunslinging Bird - Charles Mingus 2) Hissing Of Summer Demo - Joni Mitchell 3) I Try - Macy Gray 4) anything by Missy Elliot 5) Three Great Stimulants - Acoustic Joni Mitchell X ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:00:27 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Plug Of The Week - JC Peter Holmstedt in Scandinavia wrote: >Joel Rafael Band - "Joel Rafael Band", "Old Wood Barn" and > the brand new one, "Hopper" Joni connection - Joel Rafael & Co. were on the bill with Siquomb at "Troubadours of Folk" in '93. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:06:51 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Louis Riel coffeehouse Randy Remote wRote: >Shawn Phillips : I was playing in Saskatchewan, at a >place called the Louie Reo Coffee House, where she was >working as a waitress. Shawn lost a few tiles on re-entry on this one. Joni worked and played at the Louis Riel coffeehouse in Saskatoon, named for the leader of the Metis uprisings in Manitoba and Saskatchewan in the 18...er..60s? 1870s? Finally defeated in battle at Batoche on the Saskatchewan River (first time a Gatling gun was used in the British Empire) and later hanged. Maybe Evian can correct me on any of this? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:09:25 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD cont. Isn't the very first line, "I am a poor wayfaring stranger," out of some old folk ballad too? D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:10:55 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: calling all music sluts (njc) The "Not Gon' Cry" song is by Mary J. Blige, who is IMO the best vocalist to emerge in the '90s. Though her production is heavy on hip-hop influence, and she is considered by many to be in the hip-hop family, she sings, not raps. That particular song was written by Babyface. I think it's the best thing he's ever done. It's the best you-fucked-me-over-but-I'm-gonna-make-it record I've ever heard. Gloria Gaynor can just go on now go go out the door as far as I'm concerned. :-) "Not Gon' Cry" appears on Mary J.'s _Share My World_, which I *highly* recommend, and on the soundtrack for _Waiting to Exhale_. - --Michael - ----------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not ready to change my name again... I'd just like to see you sometime." - --Joni Mitchell, "See You Sometime" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:18:51 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: He.lp - Joni interview on KCSN 88.5 FM Tuesday 12/21 From: "Kakki" Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:36:15 -0800 I'm putting out another call for help to any listmembers in the San Fernando Valley who can get the Joni interview taped on Tuesday, December 21 on KCSN 88.5 FM - Noon to 1:00 p.m. This college station apparently broadcasts on micro power and it's going to be impossible for most of us in the L.A. area to pick it up. I'm going to do some checking around to see what I can come up with tomorrow, but it would be a better bet if someone close to Cal State Northridge can take this on. If no one else is able to come forward, I will update you all tomorrow on any progess I make. Another thought I had is that perhaps there are other listmembers who have the ability to download the tape (if we get it) to a website on mp3. If I can get a tape and someone can do the mp3 part, I will Federal Express it to that person so everyone can tune it to it as soon as possible. Kakki NP: JMDL'er Steve Polifka - Last Train Home (WOWSA YOWSA!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:30:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: DJRD cont. David asks: >Isn't the very first line, "I am a poor wayfaring stranger," out of >some >old folk ballad too? Yes it is, and it has been driving me nuts for ages trying to remember what song it is! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:36:45 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: the Joni Mitchell Companion Evian asks: >Just a quick question about the Joni Mitchell Companion. Wasn't it >today it was supposed to be released? And if so, are the release >dates >(or whatever the hell you call the day when a book is >published) the >same for the U.S. and Canada? I've been keeping my eye on Chapters >and >Indigo's sites, but they have some dumb-ass wrong info OK, so maybe I'm cynical, but given that we have to pay 40% more for stuff than they do in the US, we probably have to wait 40% longer too. (And that would be 40% of... what?) And then if/when they do get it in stock, you'll get some clerk asking you "Joni who?" (And they want us to buy Canadian, eh?) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:48:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Evian wrote: >Well, this is going to sound odd since all my life I have lived >either a >stone's throw from the mountains or right here in the heart >of the >northern Saskatchewan forest, but I have NEVER had a real >tree. I'll 'fess up here to admit we've got a fake too. And yet Canada is supposed to be the Christmas-tree capital of the world (maybe on a par with New England the the NW USA?) >I just hate the mess of >real trees, I couldn't handle all the needles, since I am kinda >sorta a >compulsive neat freak who rivals Jerry Seinfeld for neurotic >house >cleanliness I hate the mess too. You keep finding pine needles all over the house well into July. I wouldn't call myself a neat freak - far from it - but you can't even vacuum those suckers up. You pretty much have to pick them up one by one by hand. If I were in a desert area, I might suggest a Christmas cactus? Haha! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:08:13 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) >At least here in Greenville we do the "Grinding of the Greens", where the >city comes and picks up the trees for recycling and grinding into mulch... > They do that here in Toronto as well, so at least it's not a total waste. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: the Joni Mitchell Companion Catherine wrote: <> I was just in Barnes and Noble yesterday, (much to my girls' chagrin.... "mom, enough already with the bookstores! We can't wear a book! Why don't we go see if Nordstroms carries books." :-D) and they didn't have it listed as to when it would be coming in. So it's not just our Canadian listers that haven't been able to get their hands on it yet. I was just given another Joni book today though. I had loaned a few of the tape tree tapes to the NYC lawyer I worked for a month or so ago. (He's a big Joni fan.) Dave just got back into town, so I went over this morning to do some minor finish work. After I got done, he gave me back my tapes and also gave me a copy of Joni's Complete Poems and Lyrics book as a thank you gift. Whoohoo! (I love my job and am lucky enough to work for some of the coolest people!) Smiles, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:21:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: calling all music sluts (njc) >The "Not Gon' Cry" song is by Mary J. Blige, who is IMO the best vocalist >to emerge in the '90s. Though her production is heavy on hip-hop >influence, and she is considered by many to be in the hip-hop family, she >sings, not raps. So THAT'S Mary J. Blige! One of those names I keep hearing but didn't think I had ever actually heard her. I tend to refer to that kind of music as "rap" where it's probably "hip-hop". I guess "rap" is more of a talk-style, whereas she does sing this. Thanks for letting me know (I wonder if my kid would like it for Christmas?) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:46:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: DJRD cont. Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > Isn't the very first line, "I am a poor wayfaring stranger," out of some old > folk ballad too? D LAHM Yes. Wayfaring Stranger, probably best recorded by both Emmy Lou Harris and by Tim Buckley. I always felt her song was a modern take-off/interpretation od a classic folk song. Jerry np: Barbara Higbie - Signs of Life ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: DJRD cont. David Lahm wrote: > > Isn't the very first line, "I am a poor wayfaring stranger," out of > > some old folk ballad too? Catherine wrote: > Yes it is, and it has been driving me nuts for ages trying to remember what > song it is! The song is simply called "Wayfaring Stranger" or "I am a poor wayfaring stranger." The whole first verse of "Silky Veils," actually, is pretty much from that song (the version I know): I am a poor wayfaring stranger I'm traveling through this world of woe But there's no sickness, toil, or danger In that bright land to which I go My favorite version is by Almeda Riddle, an old ballad singer from the Ozarks recorded by Alan Lomax (lately rereleased as part of Rounder's Lomax series, on _Southern Journey vol. 4: Brethren We Meet Again_). The plaintive starkness of her singing (it's a cappella) is really powerful. I believe "Wayfaring Stranger" is thought to be a religious "parody" of another (secular) folk song, "I am a Man [or Maid] of Constant Sorrow." - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:42:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Good News! Joni interview on KCSN 88.5 FM tomorrow As a holiday gift to the list from Ken Corral and me, I've arranged for a professional audio "clipping" service to record Joni's KCSN interview tomorrow. This way we are assured of a good copy. Because the service has to search through and extract the program from a master tape, our tape will not be ready until Wednesday evening. Both Mark D. and Les have generously offered to put it on MP3, but since Les has the necessary web space, I will send it by overnight mail to him on Thursday. If this were not Christmas time, and I was not preparing for a trial ;-( I would dupe and send out more copies to start some tape trees going, but that is not possible for me anytime very soon. As I find time, I will make some dupe copies for anyone who will offer to distribute copies to listmembers. As a funny side note, the guy I spoke to at the service initially argued with me that there is no way Joni Mitchell would be appearing on that station because they only play "classical." After I gave him the run down on the new album, he got very excited and wowed. After I got further confirmations from the radio station that the interview is really happening, I called him back and he sounded giddy with enthusiasm. Definitely a good candidate for recruitment to the Tribe ;-) Kakki NP: Steve Polifka - End of Paradise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:51:32 +0000 From: Alan Larson Subject: Re: DJRD cont. "I am a man of constant sorrow I've seen trouble all my days" Is this what you're thinking of? PP&M maybe? Catherine McKay wrote: > David asks: > >Isn't the very first line, "I am a poor wayfaring stranger," out of >some > >old folk ballad too? > > Yes it is, and it has been driving me nuts for ages trying to remember what > song it is! > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:12:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDLer Steve Polifka Jerry and Jimmy wrote: > was my favorite on his tape. Very concise imagery without being melancholy.> > > I have to agree with both of you. "Last Train Home" is my favorite on Steve's > tape, but I really like "A Case of Mistaken Identity". I can't wait to here > Steve *live* in New Orleans. I also cannot wait to hear Steve "live"! After the first few listens I told him that his music is in my favorite "style". After listening a few more times, I realized why - there are shades of all my faves in his music, Joni poetry, the vocal spirit and style of my darling Bill Champlin and recent fave, Michael Ruff, and a bit of the best of my favorite piano guys - Jimmy Webb, David Benoit and Ruff again. No wonder I'm knocked over by this CD!! WOW. Thank you again, Steve, for sharing!! Kakki NP: Case of Mistaken Identity (also playing in my head all this morning) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #569 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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