From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #565 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 565 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Seasonal Films (NJC) [Robert Holliston ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Calling colin njc [catman ] London Jonifest 2000 [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: London Jonifest 2000 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Spice On the Lahm [Julian51469@aol.com] Seasonal Films (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Don starts a Row [Julian51469@aol.com] RE: A mind is a terrible thing to waste [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: open mics [Sarah Schuckman ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Don starts a Row [Don Rowe ] RE: Seasonal Films (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: open mics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [Linda Worster ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Don starts a Row [Les Irvin ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] xmas/winter/snow /miracle movies (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: scary movies [again] (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:04:14 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Seasonal Films (NJC) hey, y'all! Well, since we're slow these days, I'd like to propose a favorite Christmas movie thread - it may or may not have anything to do with Joni ;-) And since I'm the one proposing it, I won't hog all the good choices, just one: A Christmas Carol, the 1950s one with Alistair Sim. Gets me in the tear ducts every year, and touches my heart more deeply every time I see it. It's really about how easy it is to let life just pass by, and truth be told I've been known to rent it in the middle of July. But it's especially poignant this time of year. Could go on, of course, but........it's your turn! Bless us one and all! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:49:37 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Hello and Season's Greetings One and All: I love this time of year and the movies that celebrate it. Thanks for starting this thread, Roberto. I'm hoping someone out there in Joniland might recall the title of a couple of my favorite Christmas movies from my childhood. The first one is a precious story of an elderly woman and a young boy who set out to make a bunch of fruitcakes at Christmas time. It's sort of 'Harold and Maude-like' and I think it's based on a short story by Truman Capote, but the name escapes me, as I haven't seen it in many years. I would love to see it again this year, for old time's sake. Like many of my favorite seasonal films, it jerked a tear or two. One of my other favorites is more obscure. I saw it on TV when I was a pre-teen in, like, the early 70's. It's a darling Christmas story centered around a sweet, but poor Black boy who lives in an urban project with his mother and grandmother. It's clear that their Christmas, as far as gifts and such are concerned, would be meager at best. But one day the boy finds a fuzzy black feral kitten and hides it away, meticulously feeding and taking care of it. The joy his new companion brings changes his life and gives him a reason to live and be happy at Christmas time, despite the obvious urban blight. I remember distinctly some dialog in the movie: at one point the Grandmother asks the boy "What you want for Christmas, child?" and the boy, seizing the opportunity says hopefully "I want me this cat I found." Pets are not allowed in the housing project, you see. I've rarely seen a more touching film, but I haven't seen this one in decades. Does it ring a bell to anyone, please? This is a flick I'm sure Joni would love. God bless us, every one. - -Julius np: Tuck Andress, "Ave Maria" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:41:21 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Calling colin njc Thank you Wally. I spent the evening with my friend Molly. An American from Virginia. She is a dog nut too, as well as into horses. We get on like a house on fire. She is also into breeding herself-has 3 daughters and a son! And she is only 36. Couldn't have thought of a better way to spendd my day-sitting around and gossiping! love colin Wally Kairuz wrote: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAR DEAR COLIN!!! > much health, wealth and love to you and john and all your puppies. > wallyk - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:43:56 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: London Jonifest 2000 Dear All, I just thought I had better update you on the London Jonifest 2000 It's taking place on Jan 4th 7pm at The Troubadour Coffehouse on Old Brompton Road in Earls' Court. Nearest tube is Earl's Court. I will be putting up notices in the music shops advertising the evening to musicians but stating that it will start at 8pm. I think it will be nice for us to meet without any additional people there. As we haven't met under any official Joni umbrella this will hopefully be a intimate place to start, the only music will be our own. There will be an entrance fee. This is unfortunate as I have had to rent the space for the evening. I have put the fee as follows: Members GBP?3.00 Non-Members GBP?4.00 Concessions GBP?2.50 I will be printing a list of those members who have signed on to the Euro2000@jmdl.com list so we will know who is who. Please ensure that you have signed on to that list of have mailed me privately by the 3rd of Jan, if you haven't done before, to ensure that I know who on the JMDL will be coming. my email is: jaz@famelon.demon.co.uk jamie_zubairi@hotmail.com As far as I know, Marian and I will be playing guitar and it will be an acoustic set - no amplification whatsoever unless I can persuade a friend to come along and bring her stuff.... Still we'll see. I have some musician friends who will be coming and perhaps will be doing some singing as they are Jonifans, but not internet accessed. I will be recording the evening onto minidisc for the JMDL. I can't wait. I am SO EXCITED! Keep level headed Zoob, maintain, maintain (in my best Rickie Lee Jones voice) Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:51:12 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) I may be a funny guy with films but I liked the movie Prancer. It suprised me that for a christmas film it was fairly creative. Fun for kids. Of course there is probably the best Christmas film ever for adults Die Hard 2. And lastly the inimitable Home Alone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:53:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Penny asks a money question: <> I made out like a bandit this year...my employer, Perception Kayaks, made trees available to us for $11. In years past I understand they had given them to employees, but they've grown so much that wasn't feasible this year. Still, 11$ is pretty fab, and it's a pretty full Fraser Fir tree, smells great! More "Tree" news around the corner...:~O Bob NP: Charles Brown, "Silent Night" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:56:35 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Penny writes: << Being that the list's so slow, maybe we can compare Christmas Tree costs for JMDLers. We just got ours tonight (we always wait until after our daughter's birthday on the 15th) and a 6 ft Douglas fir cost us $22. A Noble fir the same size would have been $27. >> Such a bargain!!! This is the first year we didn't get a tree since we've been out of town so much, but trees are really expensive down in Florida. Last year, the 8 ft. Frazier fir tree cost us $100, and of course with the heat the tree was almost dead by Christmas. I should just bring a live tree in the house for a couple of days, and then take it back outside and plant it. It's a shame to cut down all those trees. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:02:57 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) I'll have to go with "Miracle on 34th Street" with Maureen O'Hara and Natalie Wood as the little girl. (she was even beautiful as a child). I also like "Pocketful of Miracles" with Glen Ford and Bette Davis where she plays Apple Annie. Both are great classics. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:09:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Roberto starts one up: <> Well, I'll go with the obvious..."It's A Wonderful Life" is a beutifully crafted film, corny as all get-out but wonderful in its simple message that all of us make a difference in this world in ways that we don't know about. I start weeping, when Mr. Gower is boxing George Bailey's ears, and the torrents really come when all his aquaintances pour in to help him out at the end... "I broke-a da jukee-box!!" Going from the sublime to the ridiculous, John Waters' "Female Trouble" begins with a deliciously decadent Christmas scene: Divine is a teenage girl, opening her Christmas present, hoping only for some high-heel pumps. When she doesn't get them, she throws a fit and her Mom exclaims "Dear, you're ruining Christmas", to which Divine answers "F*ck Christmas!!"...The whole scene is so depraved and warped I also cried, but it was from laughing so hard. But, the message, (even in a Waters movie) is that when we reduce Christmas to anticipation of gifts we are setting ourselves up for disappointment... Lots of other celluloid treasures, but I'll leave some for the pickin' of my fellow JMDLer's. This would be a good thread for you lurkers to pop in on! :~) Bob NP: Charles Brown, "A Song For Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:15:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: London Jonifest 2000 Jamie Jake/Zoob, A big thanks for all your efforts in putting this gig together...I'm anxious to hear the music! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:24:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Jimmy, pining for a tree, said: <> Yes, but remember Jimmy, they are farmed for consumption, so that's like saying we shouldn't eat wheat or corn or have plants in the house... Besides, what if they all morphed into those damn apple-throwing Wizard of Oz-type trees? THEN you'd be sorry you didn't have 'em chopped down! Hey - there's a good Christmas Horror movie idea: "Revenge of the Christmas Trees"! Hey, you laugh, but when I saw "Wizard" for the first time those trees scared the hell out of me along with those flying monkeys! :~D Please excuse me, I'm in a particularly goofy mood today... Bob NP: Charles Brown, "Ringin' in a Brand New Year" PS: OK Les, you happy now? :~D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:41:52 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Spice On the Lahm In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, David Lahm write s: << The music on the date itself may not all have been literally improvised, but it sounds to me as if a lot of it could have been GENERATED by improvisation. Maybe they jammed together and she got inspired by what he was doing, learned from him or figured out what it was and then went on from there. Certainly the percussion jam is improv; a good deal of "Paprika Plains" might have been. I think it's also significant how "The Silky Veils of Ardor" stands out on the record; it's different in feeling from everything else, an elegant backward look at her earlier style. Am I correct that many of us feel it's one of her greatest triumphs? D LAHM >> If you send me you snail-mail address I could send you a wonderful interview tape "The Rock Master Class" that has Joni playing out the musical "medalion" that became the heart of Paprika Plains and explaining how she got there with it. Yes, that whole album is pure genius, to say the least. I have many fond memories of playing an old scratchty copy of that record with friends - staring out at many a sunset in a small, overstuffed couch, smoking, drinking and singing and humming along. That particular side of the album got worn right down from us the sunset gang. And...I feel that "Silky Veils of Ardor" is the punctuation, the bookend, the bare steel and wood cadenza to the whole album. It is the gesture or thumbnail sketch of the whole album - it is the foot of the bed (and the head of the bead if you play it constantly like I do) that one has been dreaming a whole double album through and then bumps into and wakes up with paprika on their breath. BTW, Your CD of JTOJM is awesome!!! If I could vote for it being the best I would. So many nooks and crannies and cozy corners and curious, friendly, strange spaces too. Deffinately a ride that was familiar because of the subject but fresh, explorative, and exciting because of the new facets you found in the material. Thanks a million for doing such a project. I look foreward to meeting you in New Orleans. Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:48:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Seasonal Films (NJC) Goofy Bob brings up "Female Troubles": << Divine is a teenage girl, opening her Christmas present, hoping only for some high-heel pumps. >> I forgot all about that movie!! I *love* that particular scene, but Divine keeps referring to the high heel pumps as his/her Cha-Cha Heels. Glad you brought that up Bob, I have that scene recorded on video somewhere and now I'll have to show it to my family when they come over on Christmas Day. :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:01:42 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Don starts a Row In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Don Rowe writes: << Come on listas ... Les is right, things have been too slow! >> Well, now that you mention it... I have a few compaints to lodge. I'm sick and tired of Joni's albums always ending. I mean what's up with that? If you've got a good thing going why stop? And what's up with this abstracted, convoluted, ever changing meaning crap? Why is it every time that I listen to the same song for the umpteenth time does it mean something different to me? Why can't Joni just say what she means and make it real concrete for all of spoon-fed America? I mean, why can't she just say who she's really sleeping with, what color she likes, is it a taxi or is it a tractor, what bridge should we reference, is she hanging out with a coyote or is it a guy she knows or is it just her watching a stranger, is it first, second or third person she is refering to???? The questions just go on and on anon. With someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync it's nice easy music that has a strait-ahead message that's easily digestible for my two dimensional brain to handle - love and hate and nothing in between. What's up with having "Two Grey Rooms" when all it leaves me with is out on an ocean of emotion and abstraction. If anyone out there can explain to me what Joni is really trying to say and if anyone has an extended-demo-mega-remix-club version of every single one of Joni's albums please have the UHall drop it off at my apartment. Don't get me wrong, I like this Joni chick and all but all she makes me wanna do is listen to more, more, and more. I mean, what's up with that?;-) Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:08:30 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Les writes Joni moved into her current residence when? 1974? 1975? I write: I thought she moved in in something like 1969/70? Isn't it the same house that Graham Nash wrote Our House in? (A bit presumptuous wasn't he? ; ) The same house that Houdini lived in. The Spanish style Bel Air Mansion. That Wally went to. (I still can't believe that!) I reckon she must have paid off her mortgage by now. Didn't she also sell some property that she had renovated and decorated? That must have made her some money. Happiness Knows No Income Bracket Rainy Night House, damp proofed, fully insulated with infrared security alarms My Debts To You Sisotowbell Lane, off Cotton Avenue, River view. Paprika Plains location. Ranch house on the hill, valley neighbours all with barbecues, barbed wire security fence with curious red stain on barbs, 1 room decorated with Chippendale furniture, 1 blue pool, 1 Puerto Rican maid with damaged shins, 1 previous reckless owner, stones throw from the breaking waves of Malibu. Contact Dreamland Realtors. Any takers? Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:19:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don starts a Row A few moments with Julian Rooney: <> Yeah, good point, Julian...and what about all those paintings on the covers? Why doesn't she just put a simple photo of herself on the cover or something? Who does she think she is, Dan Fogelberg? :~) Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Breakout" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: open mics Hey everyone :) and especially Dan, Anne, Marcel, Bob, Randy and Don... :) So my first open mic experience was a very good one!! I can't wait to go back. :) And your tips helped a lot! I felt like I knew what was going to happen. I also knew I would mess up a little, which also happened, but it wasn't too bad. I really liked the environment at the place I went to. It's called the Skylight Exchange here in Chapel Hill, NC.. have any of you ever been here? I go to UNC. Anyway, they had a chord for me to use (to plug my guitar into the amp), and the sound guy helped me balance... and it really did help to just pretend I was not amplified and just sing like I was in my bedroom. :) I really messed up "California"... because I got nervous and forgot THE LYRICS!!! It was funny, but not too embarrassing. There were all different kinds of people there... all different levels. Some were REALLY REALLY impressive! But what I really liked was that nobody cared. We were all eager to hear each other just to see what we all could offer. I thought I did pretty bad, especially messing up a whole song, but I knew I kind of picked hard ones... and I didn't feel too bad about it. And then after everyone was done, I was walking out and the sound guy asked me to play a couple more songs! :) isn't that sweet? Anyway, I really think I want to do this frequently, because one very cool thing was that I didn't invite any of my friends... This is something I can do just for myself, and I can meet new people to share it with.. (the other people who play). It would be really cool to find someone to play with. I've never written a song, and most of these people did original stuff... so I was thinking maybe i could ask one of them to write a song with me... after I get to know some people. Well, I just wanted to let you all know how it went. Thanks for listening to my ramblings!! Sarah p.s. that was a great story about "The Circle Game" being a song about "growing out of" the small setting... I don't think that will ever happen to me! I don't want it to, either! :) On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 Kleronomos@aol.com wrote: > Sarah Schuckman wrote: <> > > Hi Sarah! and welcome! > Playing at "open mic" nights will probably be one of the biggest helps for > you to grow in your performance abilities! (Just ask Joni, or Ani DeFranco, > or Neil Young) > > The host and / or the sound person will do their best to set you up, and to > make adjustments once you start singing. They generally need you to sing > fairly close to the mic (about six to ten inches) and to stay at the same > distance throughout the song. > > Just do your thing, and let them worry about making you sound good "in the > house". If you don't have a monitor (a speaker pointed toward you), you'll > have no idea what it really sounds like "out there." Just go for it. I also > have a quiet presentation, vocally. There is nothing wrong with that. > That's why they have amps and speakers! Just concentrate on your playing and > singing, and do it as you would in your bedroom. > > A good sound man can do wonders, and a bad one can make anyone sound like > crap! All you can control is your performance. Another note: If you have > an EQ "on board" your guitar, then set it "flat", that is, all sliders in the > middle. > > Joni content, loosely connected to the open mic question: > In the Joni concert with James Taylor (1970 BBC), she tells a story of Neil > Young turning twenty-one and no longer being allowed in the little club that > he had been performing in (a teen club), and that he'd written "Sugar > Mountain" to lament his lost youth. He set out to be a folk singer at that > point. Then she introduced "The Circle Game" as a song she had written for > him.... an answer to his lament. I'll never again hear "The Circle Game" > the way I used to! > > Dan > NP: "Bobby" Nashville Skyline > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: open mics p.p.s. oh, and one thing I noticed that I wanted to comment on... was that I was one out of two women playing... out of about 12 people altogether. that was kind of strange and intimidating in a weird kind of way... not too weird, just something I definitely noticed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:26:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Goofy Bob brings up "Female Troubles": > > << Divine is a teenage girl, opening her Christmas present, hoping only for > some high-heel pumps. >> > > I forgot all about that movie!! I *love* that particular scene, but Divine > keeps referring to the high heel pumps as his/her Cha-Cha Heels. > Glad you brought that up Bob, I have that scene recorded on video somewhere > and now I'll have to show it to my family when they come over on Christmas Which, of course, inspired the fabulous Eartha Kitt dance anthem: Give me, give me cha-cha heels All I want is cha-cha heels.........g-r-r-r-o-o-o-o-w-w-w-w-l! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Don starts a Row - --- Julian51469@aol.com wrote: I'm sick > and tired of Joni's albums always ending. I mean > what's up with that? My Joni albums used to end ... at least until auto-reverse cassette decks came out. Then, of course, came the CD ... so the Joni never has to end. Why can't Joni just say what she means and make > it real concrete for all > of spoon-fed America? I'm pretty sure this is a Canadian thing ... oh god save me! With > someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync Hey, those guys all ROOOOOCK! (lighter ignites as three-fingered Beavis & Butthead salutes wave wildly in the air ...) -- well, maybe N'Synch just "sways" ... Don't get me wrong, I like > this Joni chick and all but > all she makes me wanna do is listen to more, more, > and more. I mean, what's > up with that?;-) > Isn't the question you're really asking ... "How do you stop?" -- and that's a rhetorical question, don't you know! :-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:50:14 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Seasonal Films (NJC) This isn't really 'seasonal' except that it takes place in winter. It's a short film that I saw in the mid-60s, I think. It's about a girl in Colorado who either gets caught in a blizzard or is in an avalanche. The image of snow was so compelling, I wanted to learn to ski so I could just go out and be in the snow. I guess you just had to be there... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:01:52 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) <> The flying monkeys STILL scare me!!! (this from someone who laughed through the Alien movies...) and (switching threads here, sort of) the scariest movie for me is the original "The Haunting" with Julie Harris. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:09:15 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: open mics <> Way to go, Sarah!!! -- applause, applause -- Sounds like you did great! Especially to have the sound guy ask you to play more - I hope you're savoring that because it doesn't happen often at all!!!! Maybe you'll come to a JoniFest so we can all enjoy your playing ;-) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:12:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: open mics Sarah said: <> I've been to Chapel Hill plenty, Sarah...I went to NC State, my wife was a UNC grad. All us State people had to go to Chapel Hill for dates as the Engineering Schools And Agricultural Schools didn't attract the most appealing of date potentials...I've been to The Cat's Cradle a couple times and I also saw George Thorogood at Memorial Hall, and I saw U2 in Kenan Stadium on their "War" tour - pretty cool! <> Gee, I always thought you could sing and play whatever chords you wanted to! :~) Maybe the chord they gave you is the "Lost Chord" - somebody tell the Moody Blues and maybe they won't sound like shite anymore!! :~) Seriously, glad your show went so well! Thanks for sharing. Bob NP: Marvelous 3, "You're So Yesterday" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:26:25 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Roberto mentioned my all-time favorite Christmas film: >A Christmas Carol, the 1950s one with Alistair Sim. Gets me in the tear >ducts every year, and touches my heart more deeply every time I see it. yes!!! me too. Alistair Sim was an English stage actor and does the best Scrooge I've ever seen. I've also been known to watch it in July. (Finally taped it off the TV a couple of years ago.) My favorite scene is the one near the end when he has just woken up from his night with the Spirits and the maid comes to do the morning chores and he scares the s**t out of her with his unexpected change of heart. Makes me laugh and cry simultaneously every time. She is also a great actress. this year, a new version was made starring Patrick Stewart (who I LOVE ;~). Didn't know how I'd feel about him playing Scrooge, but I really enjoyed his performance. And I generally thought it was a very good production. A pleasant surprise! Also love "Miracle on 34th Street". Happy Holy Days everyone!!! Linda, looking forward to that solstice moon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) I'm funny on films too ... I don't know about others, but I thought Bill Murray's "Scrooged" was hysterical - -- any character with a stomach for that much vodka and Diet Coke is cool by me! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:08:40 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Don says: >I'm funny on films too ... I don't know about others, >but I thought Bill Murray's "Scrooged" was hysterical >-- any character with a stomach for that much vodka >and Diet Coke is cool by me! I love that one too - I never noticed about the vodka and diet coke though - must pay more attention! The only part that really bothered me about that one is the Carole Kain/Ghost of Christmas Present schtick where she keeps belting Bill and poking him in the eyes. I thought that was unnecessarily violent and didn't get the point of it, although, having watched it about 5 times now, I've become hardened to the violence. I suspect it was Kain's own idea - kind of a silly vaudeville type thing. Does anyone know whether the Patrick Stewart version is supposed to be on TV? If so, any idea when? It's getting kind of close... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:10:31 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: They're Cutting Down Trees (NJC) Anne said: >and (switching threads here, sort of) the scariest movie for me is >the >original "The Haunting" with Julie Harris. We just rented the new version a few weeks ago. What a STUPID film! Was it supposed to be campy and funny, or did they really think it was scary? (Give me a flying monkey any day - now THAT'S scary!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:32:09 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) >Does anyone know whether the Patrick Stewart version is supposed to be on >TV? If so, any idea when? It's getting kind of close... Hi Catherine- It's been on TNT a few times this past week. I imagine they will keep on showing it this week too but don't know the schedule. best- Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:52:51 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Linda Worster wrote: > >Does anyone know whether the Patrick Stewart version is supposed to be on > >TV? If so, any idea when? It's getting kind of close... > > Hi Catherine- > It's been on TNT a few times this past week. > I imagine they will keep on showing it this week too but don't know the > schedule. Movie critic here. I have to say how impressed I was with this new version. Certainly the best since George C. Scott version in 1984. Very believable, and the special effects are terrific without being overwhelming. I highly recommend y'all taking the time to watch it. Jerry np: Shawn Colvin - Holiday Songs and Lullabies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:27:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Don starts a Row From: ParkerBurns@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:56:40 EST In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Julian writes: << Come on listas ... Les is right, things have been too slow! >> <> What are you talking about here? Don't you realize that all artists are forever? If it is truly a universal expression it will stand the test of time. Joni's cool dude. <> "Spoon-fed"??? Hey buddy! I eat my propaganda with a dumptruck like any other good American sheep. Besides I just like the way the music sounds. I don't listen to the words. << I mean, why can't she just say who she's really sleeping with, what color she likes, is it a taxi or is it a tractor, what bridge should we reference, is she hanging out with a coyote or is it a guy she knows or is it just her watching a stranger, is it first, second or third person she is refering to???? The questions just go on and on anon.>> It's none of your buisness what she thinks, does or who she does it with. But if you want to know just e-mail me privately. << With someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync it's nice easy music that has a strait-ahead message that's easily digestible for my two dimensional brain to handle - love and hate and nothing in between.>> Are you trying to say that there is more out there than love and hate? If this is so I don't want to know about it. Life is too confusing as it is with two "Million Dollar" game shows on two different channels let alone who I should take to the prom. << What's up with having "Two Grey Rooms" when all it leaves me with is out on an ocean of emotion and abstraction. If anyone out there can explain to me what Joni is really trying to say and if anyone has an extended-demo-mega-remix-club version of every single one of Joni's albums please have the UHall drop it off at my apartment.>> There's a remix of all of her albums? What's it called? I can send you my tape list if you want to trade? I especially liked that remix Joni did of that Janet Jackson song. Wouldn't it be cool if they paved Paradise? We could rollerblade all day in Heaven. <> Dude! I think you have a problem. Why don't you go and listen to your LimpSync Pariah Bizcuit or whatever? Oh hey, I think you made a typo at the end of your post with that weird punctuation. Peace Out, Foolian np: "Busy Doing Nothing" by the Beach Boys ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:36:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) > Roberto starts one up: > > < Christmas movie thread - it may or may not have anything to do with Joni>> > > Well, I'll go with the obvious..."It's A Wonderful Life" is a beutifully crafted film, corny as all get-out but wonderful in its simple message that all of us make a difference in this world in ways that we don't know about. I start weeping, when Mr. Gower is boxing George Bailey's ears, and the torrents really come when all his aquaintances pour in to help him out at the end... > "I broke-a da jukee-box!!" The waterworks start for me when George Bailey runs out on the bridge at the end in the snow and the music starts playing and he's saying 'I wanna live! I wanna live!' I'm a mess from then on out til the end of the movie. By the end I'm usually out & out sobbing. A really fun, light, sophisticated comedy-type movie is 'The Man Who Came To Dinner' with Bette Davis, Monty Wooley, Mary Wickes, Ann Sheridan & Billie Burke. Some of Wooley's dialogue is priceless. Have to agree with the original 'Miracle on 34th Street' also. The original 'The Bishop's Wife' with Cary Grant, Loretta Young & David Niven is another good one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:04:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: xmas/winter/snow /miracle movies (NJC) i love xmas in conneticut with barbara stanwyck [sp?]. pocketful of miracles with bette davis kills me too!!! [when i was a child i put a microphone next to the tv set to tape the movie's theme: "P- racticality! D - oesn't interest me! love the life that i lead! I've got a pocketful of miracles and just a pocketful of miracles is all i need...!"] I can't believe i still remember the words!!! there are millions of xmas/ winter/snow/miracle movies that i love. i like even home alone 1 and 2!!! my heart must be made of stone, though. in it's a wonderful life, i cry only at the very end, when the little bell rings and we know that the angel has gotten his wings. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:14:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: scary movies [again] (NJC) i forgot to report that i finally found time to see blair witch about a month ago. i thought it was soo boring and un-scary. pure hype. last night i decided that the scariest movie in the world must be one that i'd be pressed not to see alone. george romero's original black and white night of the living dead IS the one. it still scares the s--t out of me!!!! blair witch? good technique, zero thrills. wallyk as to the original the haunting, i've shown it all year long to my students and it never failed to scare even the hardest types. and it's 1963 movie with ONE single special effect! and richard johnson as dr, markway is so sexy. i'd like to spend a few days in a haunted house with him. pure shock would lead the ghosts right out of the house!!! > Anne said: > > >and (switching threads here, sort of) the scariest movie for me is >the > >original "The Haunting" with Julie Harris. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:41:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: scary movies [again] (NJC) <> All the zombies and monster movies are good second-tier candidates, and the original Haunting is excellent, but if you really want to see a "scary" film, it's gotta be "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer"...too scary to even think about... Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Pirate Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:13:50 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) Don said: >The Patrick Stewart "Christmas Carol" is a Turner >Network Television (TNT) original production. As with >most made-for-cable-channel movies, you can expect it >to run almost continuously ... Does that mean it's one of those pay-per-view things, or on the movie channel, or that it's going to be on regular old cable. I don't know how it works down there in the US, but up here in da nort' we've got basic cable, then there's packages you can add on that include all that speciality stuff like TSN (The Sports Network), Teletoon, CNN, all that kinda stuff - they probably have different names in the US, but they're similar. If you want pay-per-view or the movie channel(s) (whatever they're called), you have to get one of those descrambler thingies and you pay extra to see stuff that's already out on video (the exception being some of these Turner-type things that appear only on pay-per-view until they've beaten that to death, then they go more "public" - either available at your video store or on regular TV. I'm sure this all makes a great deal of sense. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Seasonal Films (NJC) It's part of the basic package. It's not a premium channel. Jerry On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Catherine McKay wrote: > Don said: > >The Patrick Stewart "Christmas Carol" is a Turner > >Network Television (TNT) original production. As with > >most made-for-cable-channel movies, you can expect it > >to run almost continuously ... > > Does that mean it's one of those pay-per-view things, or on the movie > channel, or that it's going to be on regular old cable. > > I don't know how it works down there in the US, but up here in da nort' > we've got basic cable, then there's packages you can add on that include all > that speciality stuff like TSN (The Sports Network), Teletoon, CNN, all that > kinda stuff - they probably have different names in the US, but they're > similar. If you want pay-per-view or the movie channel(s) (whatever they're > called), you have to get one of those descrambler thingies and you pay extra > to see stuff that's already out on video (the exception being some of these > Turner-type things that appear only on pay-per-view until they've beaten > that to death, then they go more "public" - either available at your video > store or on regular TV. > > I'm sure this all makes a great deal of sense. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:34:46 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: DJRD and some advice Emily, Lahm and all: DRJD will always be one of my #1 Joni topics. This album/cd has been in the top 3 Joni's since Day One. I remember that it cost a whopping $7.00 plus back in '77..I wore it out...and converted several nonbelievers with this one....One good (now late) friend; former junkie, ex-con, big ass-kickin Stones fan..just went lyric crazy over Otis and Marlena, and Dreamland!! Every time he came to my house. which was just about every day..he'd say,,,"Stovers, (me, Russell) put on that Mitchell about the emery file and midnight ramblin' on the lawn...." He would get this look of serenity and real happiness at the word play he would hear...Dang!! Gettin' teary-eyed remembering...Jimmy Mingle....with a long-necked Bud in one hand..a Camel or a joint (or both going at once) in the other. Silky Veils, to me is another Peak of Genius that Our Queen saw fit to offer us...Young, Old and Joni yet to come in that one...Sorry, I just finished Dickens' 'A Christmas Carol' last night! The title song still gets my feet up to dance! The Scorpio and Gemini images in this song are so amazing and right on...I think of it as Joni's astro confessional!! I could and probably would go on..but I gotta have lunch and do mail.... Thought you all might find this amusing...from a friend struggling with a new band... Love, Russ NP Ariadne auf Naxos (bliss!) > > > > 36 RULES FOR BANDS: > > 1. Never start a trio with a married couple. > > 2. Your manager's not helping you. Fire him/her. > > 3. Before you sign a record deal, look up the word > > "recoupable" in the > > dictionary. > > 4. No one cares who you've opened for. > > 5. A string section does not make your songs sound > > any more "important". > > 6. If your band has gone through more than 4 bass > > players, it's time to > > break up. > > 7. When you talk on stage you are never funny. > > 8. If you sound like another band, don't act like > > you're unfamiliar with > > their music ("Oh does Rage Against The Machine also > > do rap-rock with > > political lyrics?") > > 9. Asking a crowd how they're doing is just > > amplified small talk. Don't do > > it. > > 10. Don't say your video's being played if it's only > > on the Austin Music > > Network. > > 11. When you sign to a major label, claim to have > > inked the best contract > > ever. Mention "artistic freedom" and "a guaranteed 3 > > record deal". > > 12. When you get dropped insist that it was the > > worst contract ever and you > > asked to be let go. > > 13.Never name a song after your band. > > 14. Never name your band after a song. > > 15. When a drummer brings in his own songs and asks > > to perform one of them, > > begin looking for a new drummer IMMEDIATELY. > > 16. Never enter a "battle of the bands" contest. If > > you do you're already a > > loser. > > 17. Learn to recognize scary word pairings: "rock > > opera", "white rapper", > > "blues jam", "swing band", "open mike", etc. > > 18. Drummers can take off their shirts or they can > > wear gloves, but not > > both. > > 19. Listen, either break it to your parents or we > > will; it's rock 'n' roll, > > not a soccer game. They've gotta stop coming to your > > shows. > > 20. It's not a "showcase". It's a gig that doesn't > > pay. > > 21. No one cares that you have a web site. > > 22. Getting a tattoo is like sewing platform shoes > > to your feet. > > 23. Don't hire a publicist. > > 24. Playing in San Marcos & Alpine doesn't mean > > you're on tour. > > 25. Don't join a cover band that plays Bush songs. > > In fact, don't join a > > cover band. > > 26. Although they come in different styles and > > colours, electric guitars all > > sound the same. Why do you keep changing them > > between songs? > > ("ooops! GUILTY!!"- Timbo) > > 27. Don't stop your set to ask that beers be brought > > up. That's what > > girlfriends/boyfriends are for.("and/or lead > > singers!" -Timbo) > > 28. If you use a smoke machine your music sucks. > > 29. We can tell the difference between a > > professionally produced album cover > > and one you made with the iMac your mom got for > > Christmas. > > 30. Remember, if blues solos are so difficult, why > > can so many 16 year olds > > play them? > > 31. If you ever take a publicity photo, destroy it. > > You may never know where > > or when it will turn up. > > 32. Cut your hair, but do not shave your head. > > 33. Pierce your nose, but not your eyebrow. > > 34. Do not wear shorts onstage. Or a suit. Or a hat. > > 35. Rock oxymorons; "major label interest", "demo > > deal"," blues genius", > > "$500 guarantee", and "Fastball's second hit". > > 36. 3 things that are never coming back: a)gongs, > > b)headbands, and c)playing > > slide guitar with a beer bottle > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:45:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Jamie wrote: > Les writes > > Joni moved into her current residence when? 1974? 1975? I think it was around 1975. I recall a real extensive story in the L.A. Times around that time about her paintings and an art exhibit she was having in Laguna Beach, I think. It mentioned in passing her move into the new house. There were some color reproductions of some of the paintings and I have never seen any of them again in the Starart book or anywhere else. They were beautiful - a lot of the vivid colors she is currently using but the style was more abstract - similar to her painting "Axilar Moonrise". Wish I would have saved that article (bet Steve Dulson has it somewhere! ;-) > I write: > I thought she moved in in something like 1969/70? Isn't it the same house > that Graham Nash wrote Our House in? (A bit presumptuous wasn't he? ; ) The > same house that Houdini lived in. The Spanish style Bel Air Mansion. That > Wally went to. (I still can't believe that!) The house she lived in with Graham is on Lookout Mountain Ave. in Laurel Canyon. Half of the notables in the 60s music scene lived on that street or nearby around that time. It is basically a mountain pass and most of the homes are very old (by SoCal standards). They are not much more than rustic cabins and bungalows. It was one of the "hippie havens" back then, along with Beverly Glen canyon and Topanga Canyon. It is still very rustic, but now suffers from horrible rush hour traffic as people use it for a short cut to the San Fernando Valley. Bel Air is very different. While it is very woodsy and set out among the mountain canyons, it has a very elegant, exclusive and rarified air to it. > I reckon she must have paid off her mortgage by now. Didn't she also sell > some property that she had renovated and decorated? That must have made her > some money. That house is in the Hollywood Hills (east of Bel Air and Laurel Canyon) and the L.A. Times announced both the offering and the sale. > Sisotowbell Lane, off Cotton Avenue, River view. Paprika Plains location. > Ranch house on the hill, valley neighbours all with barbecues, barbed wire > security fence with curious red stain on barbs, 1 room decorated with > Chippendale furniture, 1 blue pool, 1 Puerto Rican maid with damaged shins, > 1 previous reckless owner, stones throw from the breaking waves of Malibu. > Contact Dreamland Realtors. 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