From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #556 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 556 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: h.elp a fellow lurker.. (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Solid Love Reggae Style ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: All this talk about Joni CDR and some Jimmy ["Kakki" ] RE: BSN cover painting [Jamie Zubairi ] Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content [Roman ] JMDL Hall of Fame nomination ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] RE: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: All things Joni [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Blue cd [Susan McNamara ] Re: h.elp a fellow lurker.. (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Tinker Times (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] RE: BSN cover painting [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Review of LACE show in LA Weekly [Andy Stancliffe ] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Ebay sellers get hex by KFOG - NJC [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Review of LACE show in LA Weekly [Brian Gross ] Joni in BillBoard ["Michael Paz" ] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni Art Review ["Kakki" ] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) [Susan McNamara ] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) ["Kakki" ] Joe Jackson (vljc) [Catherine Turley ] Joni Mitchell Defense League [Catherine Turley ] Re: Joni Art Review [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rick Danko:Dead at 56 ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Rick Danko (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] Ooops (re: Joe Jackson) NJC [Catherine Turley ] More on Rick Danko - NJC [Les Irvin ] More: Rick Danko ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Possible illegal sale item (KMM6919714C0KM) (jc) [j.pukkila@pp.inet.] Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] RE: Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: h.elp a fellow lurker.. (NJC) Kerry Lynn wrote: > ps.. Kakki.... NO FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;( Aw, Kerry....come on now... there's the big Summer Saskatoon paintings party coming up, and maybe Joni in Milan, and you know there may be more..... ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:54:56 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Solid Love Reggae Style Jamie asked: << Isn't Solid Love in reggae style anyway? >> That was my first impression of the song. Also a little Policesque.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:06:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: All this talk about Joni CDR and some Jimmy Philip wrote: > > NP: Jimmy Webb - Campo de Encino > > > My favourite Webb tune for years. Love the cheap piano sound and > the line about police helicopters checking his pad over. Oh I ADORE the song. He played it here last year in Hollywood and invited the audience to sing along and I ended up being the only one singing, even though I didn't know all the words! And now here's my plug with Joni content - I got the Jimmy Webb "Letters" from CDNow a few weeks ago and flipped over it. It's a Japanese import and sounds brilliantly remastered. I can't stop listening to it. (Only downside is that the liner notes are in Japanese but they do include the lyrics in English). In addition to "Campo" and a hauntingly beautiful guitar version of "Galveston", it includes "Similie" which is the song Jimmy wrote about a letter he sent to her that got lost behind her couch unopened for a few years. Joni sings absolutely gorgeous background vocals on it (circa 1972). It reminded me of the beautiful harmonies she did on the Johnny Cash shows. Here are the lyrics (although you have to hear it with his music and piano to really be blown away): This is the answer to the letter unsent Which even so arrived some years later Like a song sometimes, written for love Long before it is alive (Joni comes in) Oh the poems sighed to sweet faces Caught away in some damn machine Leaving them no quiet time To liken things to other things Trying to describe other things Now safe with the answer to a question unasked That needed no reply He is singing a description of a song he cannot write About how hard it is to cry (Joni again) And are the words in the wrong places Or the spaces stumbling in between Or is there just no brighter time To liken things to other things Trying to describe other things This album is up there in second place next to "Ten Easy Pieces" for me. Kakki NP: J. Webb - Similie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:35:37 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: BSN cover painting Dear Penny It's about the positioning of the irises. I'm not sure what the theory is but if you get the irises just right, the eyes will follow you all over the room. I believe they have to be in the centre of the eye and looking in the same direction out to the front. I know that when I have painted portraiture, I have by fluke, got the irises just right, twice. Photographers will know a similar trick in getting the sitter to look 'through' the lens. Jamie Zubairi In both, it appears Joni is looking directly at the viewer. This might be a dumb question, but how do artists do that trick? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:01:25 +0100 From: Roman Subject: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content Maurice wrote: >Rolf played Digerdu (quite nicely) on the title track of Kate Bush's >"The >Dreaming", ..released 1982..can you believe? Seems like the >other day. Rolf's a great guy: As to him playing for Kate Bush, I guess it was kind of a Ghostbusters situation - When you're stuck in England and need a didgereedoo player - Who ya gonna call? BTW, The Dreaming is one of my favourite albums of all time. Kate's peak as far as I'm concerned. On another matter, I met someone the other day whose boyfriend of three years standing finally left her. By way of explanation, he told her that she was 'like the white lines on the freeway', which is apparantly a Joni lyric? Well, she didn't know what it meant, and I'm not familiar with the song (or if I am, I've never caught those words) Could someone explain this please, so I can pass on the interpretation next time I see her? > Blossom Dearie - Now that name rang a bell and I couldn't think where. > Then I remembered - She used to play for drinks at Pizza on the Park in > London ten years ago. **************** >blossom playing for drinks?!?!?!?!? wrong blossom surely. my blossom >plays >for fortunes and those velvet curtain calls. >wallyk Sorry, just my ignorance again - I never actually saw her, and only ever went to Pizza on the Park once, where some completely unknown jazz band were playing at the time. Blossom had been on the night before I think and her name struck me as the type of artist who WOULD just play for drinks and for the fun of it. Usually though, my bi-annual live jazz fix was obtained at The Stanhope in the Gloucester Road, where the fabulous MR RORY BOURKE had the occasional gig. Incidentally, I'm feeling pretty pleased with myself this morning, as last night I was hailed as 'Table Six's secret weapon' when our team won a 60's and 70's pop music trivia quiz at an expatriate club here in Rome. The prize was a wind-up 78 gramophone player fridge-magnet! I felt it was a fitting way for me to wrap up the century - no job, no qualifications, but at least some final recognition for my mispent youth spent listening to Radio Luxembourg instead of doing school homework! ;-) Tube (on his non-Y2K compliant computer - I'm going the fingers-crossed route!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:05:22 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: JMDL Hall of Fame nomination I do believe Julian's 'All Things Joni' post belongs in the JMDL Hall of Fame. The Hall never really got off the ground after a couple of inclusions - the one I remember best was Bill Dollinger's 'Joni Menagerie' post which after several additional suggestions from the list, came to include every mention of aniimal life - coyotes, anacondas, white tailed deer, mama lions - anywhere in the Joni corpus. This certainly deserves a repost, Bill. Or, is it somewhere on the JMDL pages, possibly? Now, parodies are another matter. They belong in the Parodies Section, unless, of course, they are *great* parodies. Feel free to debate and discuss the intrinsic value in Joni song parodies until the end of class. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:12:21 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content Roman well, its from Coyote where Joni describes herself as 'a prisoner of the white lines of the freeway.' Joni was doing a lot of travelling during the writing of Hejira and I guess knowing that she had to travel from the East Coast to the West, she has to just keep on travelling on the road. So that she is quite literally held prisoner of the road that she's on. No real time to engage in romances, just flings with people briefly. Some people think it as a drug allusion. Some people think it as Joni feeling like she was just an insignificance. (just another white line on the freeway). It's possibly all these. Who really knows what Joni meant. I just know what it means to me. Yeah thanks! Anyway hopefully this is more mud to the mire. Jamie Zubairi On another matter, I met someone the other day whose boyfriend of three years standing finally left her. By way of explanation, he told her that she was 'like the white lines on the freeway', which is apparantly a Joni lyric? Well, she didn't know what it meant, and I'm not familiar with the song (or if I am, I've never caught those words) Could someone explain this please, so I can pass on the interpretation next time I see her? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:15:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content Tube said: <> Thanks, Tube...I've been thinking about picking up a Kate disc and not sure which is the one to get, if there is a definitive "ONE" or not... <> Tube, the line in question is off of "Coyote" from Hejira, kind of a curious choice for a breakup line from that record imo...from the same song comes the better "we just come from two different sets of circumstance", or my personal favorite, from the title song, "In our possesive coupling, so much could not be expressed, so now I am returning to myself these things that you and I suppressed". An absolutely brillinat phrase... or another "How can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone?" Anyway, if the person who delivered the Coyote quote is always on the road, I suppose the quote is appropriate. Bob NP: Aretha, "The Weight" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:20:41 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Euro/London Jonifest 2000 Dear Listers Les Irvin has just updated the site. Please sign on (if you haven't already) to the London/Euro Joni fest 2000. http://www.jmdl.com/lists Thank you. Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:33:58 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Rolf, Blossom, and even some Joni content Joni Bob wrote: > > Anyway, if the person who delivered the Coyote quote is always on the road, I suppose the quote is appropriate. My thought was the person who said this feels imprisoned by the other person in the relationship. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:41:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Blue cd The Blue cd is on sale at CD Now for $8.38 with free shipping. As soon as anyone sees LOTC in Gold please let us now. Jerry np: Bells of Dublin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:42:53 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: All things Joni In a message dated 12/9/99 1:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, YoungkenR@edmonds.wednet.edu writes: << I hope this hasn't been said already, I didn't read all msgs (sorry): JMDL must stand for the Joni Mitchell Defense League!!>> No, not 'till now that I know off. 'Joying My DeLight at all the Justice Mentioned Down the Lane of Jubilant Mirth and Dire Laughter. So much so that Julian Must Deliver Lots more in the way of Jive, Muckraking and Delirious Linguistical Juxtoposition and Mumbojumbo Delivered Lyricaly in Just Massive Doses with Love. Much Joni Lolligagging Done, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:48:29 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Blue cd And I think if you order it through Wally's site, he gets some support money, right, Jerry? Nothing like skating that River for the holidays!! :-) take care, Sue wpimctm*: Beggars Farm, Jethro Tull *was playing in my car this morning! >The Blue cd is on sale at CD Now for $8.38 with free shipping. >As soon as anyone sees LOTC in Gold please let us now. > >Jerry > >np: Bells of Dublin ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:59:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: h.elp a fellow lurker.. (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Kerry Lynn wrote: > > > ps.. Kakki.... NO FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;( > > Aw, Kerry....come on now... there's the big Summer Saskatoon paintings party > coming up, and maybe Joni in Milan, and you know there may be more..... ;-) AND think how lucky we are to have Kakki in L.A. to so generously report all these happenings to us. It's ALMOST like being there :-> Jerry np: Fred Simon : Simple Psalm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Solid Love Reggae Style Eric, via Jamie writes ... > << Isn't Solid Love in reggae style anyway? >> > I'm not so sure I'm sold on this idea. SL is certainly "Carribean" in it's feel, but a little to straight-up rhythmically to really qualify as reggae. I'll agree that Joni's phrasing of the lyrics is very three-against-four ... but that's a pretty generic Latin figure. Without the hard accents on off-beats, I think SL is a bit more Brazil 66 than it is Bob Marley. Just my own imminently ignorable opinion of course ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:09:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tinker Times (NJC) Shameless self-promotion alert! The LA Times (Orange County edition) published an article on the Tinkers today - it's at http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/19991210/t000112714.html ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: RE: BSN cover painting Jamie wrote: >>It's about the positioning of the irises. OK, that explains when it's a person's eyes that follows you. Joni's cover pic also seems to me to always be positioned that she's "facing" directly toward the viewer. Is there also a matter of shading or highlighting, that helps accomplish this? Like I told a list friend last night, in their living room, my grandparents had a huge painting of a bridge over a small creek. In that, the bridge appeared to always be "facing" directly toward the viewer, inviting them to cross. At three years old, that painting always fascinated me and remains the single most vivid memory of my grandparents home, conjuring up fond recollections of them and some wonderful childhood experiences we had on warm summer evenings back in the mid-west. So now, whenever I see a painting "follow you" I instantly smile because it reminds me of some cherished people, long gone, and an innocence of youth. This new album cover of Joni's is already one of my favorites because I'll be instantly transported back in time to my own childhood at a simple glance. Whether in the small context of my personal experience, or Joni's large scope, BSN, couldn't be more appropiately titled. :-) And leave it to Joni to put something out there, that from whatever angle you view it, it appears she's personally embracing that viewer. Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:58:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Review of LACE show in LA Weekly This week's LA Weekly has a review of Joni's current exhibition at LACE: http://www.laweekly.com/art/ And Phyliss, thanks for sharing the photos. It brought the evening back to me. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:38:49 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: All this talk about Joni CDR and some Jimmy Kakki wrote: > I got the Jimmy Webb "Letters" > from CDNow a few weeks ago and flipped over it. It's a Japanese import and > sounds brilliantly remastered. Kakki, you're tempting me to order one of those. It took me years to track down my vinyl copy of Letters to replace my cassette copy. I finally got it from a record stall in Berwick Street Market in London for the princely sum of 1.50. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:16:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) For those of you without web access, here's the review.. Bob NP: Peter Gabriel, "Red Rain" WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF "CELEBRITY ART," THEY USUALLY conjure up images of Sylvester Stallone or Anthony Quinn striking hammy poses in front of their garish self-indulgences. To most artists, they're trespassers -- spoiled dilettantes who use the leverage of their wealth and fame to elbow themselves an undeserved portion of the scarce market shares, gallery space and media coverage. It's a small trough, and it's easier to generate interest for art made by famous people than it is to generate fame for art made by artists. Much, much easier. When the media isn't making one of its embarrassing occasional forays into "Sensation" bashing or unleashing Morley Safer's analysis of the Whitney Biennial, it's fawning over some soap-opera hunk who keeps a studio loft in Manhattan. Conversely, for much of the public, celebrity artists are the only ones they ever hear of or, frankly, care about: A third-rate actor from one of the lesser Star Trek franchises can sell more art than most who try to make a living at it. And, if you're not Picasso or Dali (or, in a pinch, Warhol), your recognition factor with the masses as a 20th-century historical figure is zero. Celebrity art makes for strong copy; it attracts attention. Of course artists know this, and much of the art world turns on precipitating competitive publicity. Far too much "successful" work is designed solely to generate a soundbite that plays off the general ignorance of art's history of expanded possibilities -- "A shark in a tank of formaldehyde is a work of art! What will they think of next?" In this light, artists' complaints about celebrity Sunday painters come off as sour grapes, but this interpretation is unfair both to working artists, most of whom live for the deep solitude of art making that is the antithesis of celebrity culture, and to celebrity artists, who seldom get a fair shake (or any shake at all) from the serious art press. Three current shows in L.A. represent a cross section of celebrity artists who, for a variety of reasons, deserve more than our cursory attention: singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell as the artist-subject of the second installment of LACE's (Tri)-Annuale; comedic actor and musician Martin Mull in the backroom at Patricia Faure; and trumpeter Herb Alpert's solo exhibit, at Molly Barnes Gallery in Santa Monica. Of these, Mitchell's work has been the most visible. She attended the Alberta College of Art and changed her name to avoid being confused with New York abstractionist Joan Mitchell, but her rapid success on the folk-music circuit of the mid-'60s pushed her art practice to the background. She created an outlet for her work, however, starting with Joni Mitchell, her first album cover: a swirling psychedelic watercolor surrounding a fish-eye photograph. Through the accomplished colored-marker-drawings period (like the lovely, economical portrait of Judy Collins on the inside sleeve of Mitchell's For the Roses); her period of self-conscious album-cover design, including the hip and funny landscape photo collages on Hejira and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter; and my favorite Mitchell, the Malibu snake hunt gracing the cover of The Hissing of Summer Lawns, she took advantage of the distribution network of the record industry to piggyback her artwork to the masses. Through the '80s, as Mitchell withdrew from the public eye, her vision became more conservative, settling into a very un-courant mode of expressionist pictorialism, typified by the van Gogh self-portrait homage of Turbulent Indigo. Her attitude toward the art world was pithily summarized in a 1993 interview in which she characterized contemporary painting as "chenille toilet seats with embroidered bunnies" and admirably advised, "Paint what you like, and fuck 'em!" Given this, it's somewhat surprising that Mitchell has allowed herself to be curated into a space as heavily connotative as Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions, whose baggage includes both its role as the focal point of much of L.A.'s groundbreaking '80s performance art, as well as the less welcome burden of its many years as a confused not-for-profit mediocracy. Added to this is guest curator Amy Adler's ongoing adolescent fixation with adolescent fixations, resulting in a show which, in spite of thin press-release avowals to "recontextualize and bring form to Mitchell's work . . . questioning our understanding of a very public image when presented a posteriori with the very private object it mimics," winds up ironically and deceptively reframing Mitchell's celebrity persona as some sort of amorphous critique of gender, fame, whatever. The work itself has, in fact, nothing to do with Mitchell's public image, but is an almost patrician presentation of her private explorations in oil -- a combination of affectionate self-portraits and Emily Carr/Group of Seven­derived landscapes. But, as anyone familiar with her work knows, Mitchell is one smart cookie and fully capable of making her own decisions about how her art will be presented. Perhaps funneling her conventional art objects through established if ill-fitting art-world channels is as straightforward a take as possible without pulling a Doris Lessing and putting out work under another name. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:41:22 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) OK, I've never never heard that Joni changed her name to Joni instead of Joan because of the abstract expressionist Joan Mitchell. Is this true? In looking at the LA review, and seeing the self-portrait reversed and in black and white, I immediately thought of Edward Hopper (who is one of my favorite artists). The way Joni painted her face and used the green for the coat reminds me of his shop girl paintings of the 40s. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:56:18 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) In a message dated 12/10/1999 1:44:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << OK, I've never never heard that Joni changed her name to Joni instead of Joan because of the abstract expressionist Joan Mitchell. Is this true? In looking at the LA review, and seeing the self-portrait reversed and in black and white, I immediately thought of Edward Hopper (who is one of my favorite artists). The way Joni painted her face and used the green for the coat reminds me of his shop girl paintings of the 40s. >> Never heard that story either. I kinda like the painting in b/w- I like how the background is de-emphasized because of it. I noticed the reversal as well and see that the heart on her sleeve is even more prominent. I have a feeling that the writer is a fan of Joni's music. It was nice to see that he was familiar with her album covers and GASP, favored the Hissing cover over all the rest. Let's see what Rolling Stone has to say about that. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:02:33 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Ebay sellers get hex by KFOG - NJC This may be of interest to some people regarding resale of items on ebay. It has to do with a recent release of a radio station cd (KFOG ) that the proceeds go to charity. They have a witch hexing people for re-selling their cd on ebay. Link below. Maurice http://www.auctionwatch.com/awdaily/dailynews/1-120999.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Review of LACE show in LA Weekly - --- Andy Stancliffe wrote: > This week's LA Weekly has a review of Joni's current exhibition at LACE: > > http://www.laweekly.com/art/ excerpted: Her attitude toward the art world was pithily summarized in a 1993 interview in which she characterized contemporary painting as "chenille toilet seats with embroidered bunnies" and admirably advised, "Paint what you like, and fuck 'em!" THAT's our Siquomb, isn't it? Happy Holidays everyone, Brian, ROTFLMAO np: Ladies of the Canyon (BYT, specifically) ne (now eating): Chinese, for the 5th time this week :-) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:22 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Rick Danko Joniphiles - According to a post on the John Martyn list this afternoon, Rick Danko died in his sleep last night. Has anyone else heard this? Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:07:42 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Joni in BillBoard From Billboard Mag "Mitchell Takes Sides. Reprise Records artist Joni Mitchell works in Ocean Way's Studio B on her upcoming self-produced album for the label, 'Both Sides Now', slated for a February relase. Shown seated, from left, are Mitchell and Ocean Way owner Allen Sides, whi is engineering the sessions. Standing behind them is co-producer Larry Klien." The pic shows a smiling Joni and Larry in front of the mixing console. Have a great weekend everyone. Michael NP-Go-Indigo Girls/Come On Now Social ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:20:40 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) Sue said: >In looking at the LA review, and seeing the self-portrait reversed >and in >black and white, I immediately thought of Edward Hopper (who >is one of my >favorite artists). The way Joni painted her face and >used the green for >the coat reminds me of his shop girl paintings of >the 40s. > I was thinking, particularly in seeing the BW version, that Joni looked like Marlene Dietrich, or Garbo, or even Katherine Hepburn. God, I'd kill for those cheekbones! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:24:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Art Review I picked up the L.A. Weekly this morning and got completely giddy over the review! Thanks to Andy for alerting the list and Bob for transcribing the Joni content. I particularly loved Doug Harvey's concluding sentiments: "ART IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AREA IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN re-create the world as they would like it to be. Most people initially get involved in art making because of the freedom it affords them. But, as anyone who has tried and failed to make it in the art world can attest, sleazy market forces, bitter professional opinion mongers and sociopathic, ax-grinding academics conspire to rein that freedom in, and soon enough the artists find themselves jumping through hoops trying to stay in the game. In contrast, celebrities are already rich and famous, and can basically do whatever they want. Whether their work stands up to the baroque and chimerical criteria of the art world (and I'd rather see a Mull than a Salle, an Alpert than a Michelle Fierro, Mitchell's Hejira as a wall mural than another Moriko Mori) is not the point. The point is that in their refreshing naiveté regarding (or refusal to acknowledge) the chasm -- indeed, fundamental discontinuity -- between the rules of art and the rules of the art world, they are empowered to create small pockets of a less histrionically dismissive art world, one that actually creates an opening for deep individual creativity in a cutthroat world of cheap filler." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:27:11 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) I can't remember which TV show it was but I remember her telling the host that the cover of Turbulent Indigo looked like katherine hepburn! Chiseled to perfection! :-) Maybe the Much Music Canadian show. At 7:20 PM +0000 12/10/99, Catherine McKay wrote: >Sue said: >>In looking at the LA review, and seeing the self-portrait reversed >and in >>black and white, I immediately thought of Edward Hopper (who >is one of my >>favorite artists). The way Joni painted her face and >used the green for >>the coat reminds me of his shop girl paintings of >the 40s. >> > >I was thinking, particularly in seeing the BW version, that Joni looked like >Marlene Dietrich, or Garbo, or even Katherine Hepburn. God, I'd kill for >those cheekbones! > > > >Catherine (in Toronto) >cateri@hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:35:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) Quoting the Harvey review: "But, as anyone familiar withh her work knows, Mitchell is one smart cookie and fully capable of making her own decisions about how her art will be presented. Perhaps funneling her conventional art objects through established if ill-fitting art-world channels is as straightforward a take as possible without pulling a Doris Lessing and putting out work under another name." Robbie told us that Joni's exhibit was deliberately downplayed in the press because they didn't want a "mob scene" like the one they experienced at Joni's 1994 L.A. exhibit of the Turbulent Indigo paintings just prior to the release of that album. It's amazing to me that just last night I was having a long conversation with another listmember who is an artist and we spoke about some of the very same things expressed by Harvey. We also discussed Joni's decision to do this public, but underplayed, exhibit in an unconventional space such as LACE. We both agreed Joni knew exactly what she was doing ;-) I love it. Kakki "Paint what you like, and fuck 'em" - Joni my hero ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:43:54 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Joe Jackson (vljc) Hello Joni Friends, My Powell Books (the holy grail of all bookstores, amongst whose stacks I grew up) e-newsletter just came and features an interview with Joe Jackson, who has just published a semi-memoir. I know there must be Joe fans out there, and since he played with Joy Askew at Joni's Jazz last summer, that might count as indirect Joni content. However, the interview very much made me think of Joni, since it emphasizes Joe's reasons for being a runaway from the record biz (sounds like he and JM could get together and rant a bit). For those who might be interested, the interview can be found at this link: http://www.powells.com/authors/jackson.html (PS. for Bridget Jonesies, at the end of the Joe Jackson interview there is a link to an interview with Helen Fielding, in which she gives the correct pronunciation that enduring bon mot, fuckwittageHello Joni Friends, My Powell Books (the holy grail of all bookstores, amongst whose stacks I grew up) e-newsletter just came and features an interview with Joe Jackson, who has just published a semi-memoir. I know there must be Joe fans out there, and since he played with Joy Askew at Joni's Jazz last summer, that might count as indirect Joni content. However, the interview very much made me think of Joni, since it emphasizes Joe's reasons for being a runaway from the record biz (sounds like he and JM could get together and rant a bit). For those who might be interested, the interview can be found at this link: http://www.powells.com/authors/jackson.html (PS. for Bridget Jonesies, at the end of the Joe Jackson interview there is a link to an interview with Helen Fielding, in which she gives the correct pronunciation that enduring bon mot, fuckwittage. Also btw, the second Bridget book is due for publication in the US in Feb 2000 --but you can get it now from Amazon.co.uk in paperback for less than the US hardcover price, including shipping--sometimes my Amazon.co.uk orders arrive faster than the Amazon.com orders.) Later, Catherine T. in AZ Later, Catherine T. in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:45:02 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Joni Mitchell Defense League I want the t-shirt! The embroidered denim shirt! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:44:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Art Review Kakki, Thanks for adding that last bit...after I sent the big chunk, I saw that little bit at the tail and hoped somebody else would add it... Bob NP: Genesis, "Way of The World" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:02:19 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Rick Danko:Dead at 56 Some sad news today: NEW YORK, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Rock musician Rick Danko, a founder and a distinctive voice in the Woodstock-era group the Band, died on Friday at his home in upstate New York, a day after celebrating his 56th birthday, a medical examiner said. The cause of death was unknown but not considered suspicious, said Ulster County, New York, Medical Examiner Walter Dobushak. A local radio station in nearby Woodstock, New York, reported that Danko's wife discovered his body in bed at their home in Marbletown, New York. Danko was one of the founding members of the Band, an earthy, austere American rock band that also featured musicians Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm. The Band's sound blended a unrivaled mix of folk, southern and Canadian influences, and it was well-known for narrative songs such as ``The Weight'' and ``The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.'' Other well known songs by the group were ``Up on Cripple Creek'' and ``Stage Fright,'' a song about Bob Dylan on which Danko sang lead vocals. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:15:05 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Rick Danko (VLJC) From: "Steve Mixon" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:07:02 PST NEW YORK (Reuters) - Rock musician Rick Danko, a founder and a distinctive voice in the Woodstock-era group the Band, died on Friday at his home in upstate New York, a day after celebrating his 56th birthday, a medical examiner said. The cause of death was unknown but not considered suspicious, said Ulster County, New York, Medical Examiner Walter Dobushak. A radio station in Woodstock, New York, reported that Danko's wife discovered his body in bed at their home in Marbletown. Danko was one of the founding members of the Band, an earthy, austere American rock band that also featured musicians Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm. The Band's sound blended a unrivaled mix of folk, southern and Canadian influences, and it was well-known for narrative songs such as "The Weight" and "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." Other well known songs by the group were "Up on Cripple Creek" and "Stage Fright," a song about Bob Dylan on which Danko sang lead vocals. The Band's "farewell" concert in 1976 was documented in the film "The Last Waltz" by director Martin Scorsese. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:19:38 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Ooops (re: Joe Jackson) NJC Ouch! Sorry for the mangled nature of my previous Joe Jackson post. Apparently I'm experiencing some cut and paste difficulties. (Thought it looked ok when I sent it...) Mea culpa Catherine T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:19:19 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: More on Rick Danko - NJC WOODSTOCK, N.Y. (AP) - Rick Danko, who went from Bob Dylan's backup band to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a bassist and singer with The Band, died this morning in his home. It was not immediately known what caused Danko's death, which came a day after his 56th birthday. Ike Phillips, a friend and general manager of Woodstock radio station WDST-FM, said Danko died in his sleep. Original members of The Band - Danko, Levon Helm, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson and the late Richard Manuel - were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1994. Born into a musical family in Simcoe, Ontario, Danko quit school at 14 to play in rock 'n' roll bands. At 17, he joined Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, whose members included the musicians who would later become The Band. The group spent the early 1960s touring the bar and club circuit in Canada and the South. After splitting up with Hawkins in the mid-60s, Danko and his bandmates played backup for Bob Dylan after the folk musician unveiled his "electric'' sound that launched the folk rock era. During the Dylan years, Danko rented a pink house in West Saugerties, near Woodstock. The group's debut album as The Band - "Music From Big Pink'' - was recorded there and became a hit after its 1968 release. Vocals by Danko, Helm and Manuel contributed to The Band's unique sound, and Danko sang on the group's signature songs such as "The Weight,'' "Up On Cripple Creek'' and "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.'' The Band went on to play musical festivals including the original Woodstock in Bethel in 1969. "I remember landing - I never flew in a helicopter before - and seeing 500,000 people sitting in the field,'' he told The Associated Press this year. After The Band split up following its famous "Last Waltz'' concert in 1976, Danko went on to a solo career. The Band stayed retired until 1983, when all the original members except Robertson began to tour again. Three years later, Manuel hanged himself in a Winter Park, Fla., hotel room. In recent years Danko, Helm and Hudson reformed The Band at various times. Their last recording was "Jericho'' in 1993. Two years ago this week, Danko was found guilty of smuggling heroin into Japan. He received a suspended sentence. Information on funeral arrangements was not immediately available. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:16:30 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: More: Rick Danko The Band Musician Rick Danko Dies 14:57EST 12/10/99 WOODSTOCK, N.Y. (AP) -- Rick Danko, who went from Bob Dylan's backup band to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a bassist and singer with The Band, died this morning in his home. He was 56. It was not immediately known what caused Danko's death, which came a day after his birthday. Ike Phillips, a friend and general manager of Woodstock radio station WDST-FM, said Danko died in his sleep. Original members of The Band -- Danko, Levon Helm, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson and the late Richard Manuel -- were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1994. Born into a musical family in Simcoe, Ontario, Danko quit school at 14 to play in rock 'n' roll bands. At 17, he joined Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, whose members included the musicians who would later become The Band. The group spent the early 1960s touring the bar and club circuit in Canada and the South. After splitting up with Hawkins in the mid-'60s, Danko and his bandmates played backup for Bob Dylan after the folk musician unveiled his electric sound that launched the folk rock era. During the Dylan years, Danko rented a pink house in West Saugerties, near Woodstock. The group's debut album as The Band -- "Music From Big Pink'' -- was recorded there and became a hit after its 1968 release. Vocals by Danko, Helm and Manuel contributed to The Band's unique sound, and Danko sang on the group's signature songs such as "The Weight,'' "Up On Cripple Creek'' and "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.'' The Band went on to play musical festivals including the original Woodstock in Bethel in 1969. "I remember landing -- I never flew in a helicopter before -- and seeing 500,000 people sitting in the field,'' he told The Associated Press this year. After The Band split up following its famous "Last Waltz'' concert in 1976, Danko went on to a solo career. The Band stayed retired until 1983, when all the original members except Robertson began to tour again. Three years later, Manuel hanged himself in a Winter Park, Fla., hotel room. In recent years Danko, Helm and Hudson reformed The Band at various times. Two years ago this week, Danko was found guilty of smuggling heroin into Japan. He received a suspended sentence. Information on funeral arrangements was not immediately available. Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:31:09 +0200 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: Possible illegal sale item (KMM6919714C0KM) (jc) mann@chicagonet.net wrote: > The eBay auction was halted but > unfortunately the sale probably > was not. > > The seller probably sold the CD > to the highest bidder off of eBay > or offered it to the second or > third highest bidder. If he has > more than one CD he can go > down the bidder list and keep > offering the CD to each bidder > for the highest bid amount. > > The seller can also get the emails > of bidders bidding on other > Joni items and offer what he has > because he sees an interest > (also known as SPAM). This is not quite so. Whenever eBay end an auction prematurely, they take out all the information about the auction, including the list of bidders. Not even the seller can get that anymore. If the seller is an experienced seller of CDR's, he probably followed the bidding as it went on and wrote down the addresses. But he won't get them from eBay any longer. Also, if I remember right, the bidders also get a notice from eBay when an auction ends like this. They are advised not to go with the seller's proposals, if s/he contacts them. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:12:45 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' Well, we all know how Joni pronounces 'Magdalene' but... In a followup to a news article in the Boston Globe recently, the ombudsman fielded a UK reader's criticism on the pronunciation of the word in the UK. It was remarked that there is a Magdalene College at both Oxford and Cambridge Universities and that in each case it is pronounced closer to 'maudlin'... Can the UK list weigh in on this, please. np: Jennifer Kimball - 'Fall at your Feet' ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:57:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' chuck, you won't believe this, but the origin of the word maudlin is actually the name of mary magdalene!!! the etymology is probably based on the story/legend that mary magdalene washed jesus' feet with her tears. hence, any overly sentimental person or story, a crying drunkard, Michael being busted for illegal shrimp traffic, etc. is called maudlin. wallyk, to all appearances, big on etymology this year . - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Chuck EIsenhardt Para: Enviado: Viernes 10 de Diciembre de 1999 20:12 Asunto: Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' > Well, we all know how Joni pronounces 'Magdalene' but... > > In a followup to a news article in the Boston Globe recently, the ombudsman > fielded > a UK reader's criticism on the pronunciation of the word in the UK. It was > remarked > that there is a Magdalene College at both Oxford and Cambridge Universities > and that > in each case it is pronounced closer to 'maudlin'... > > Can the UK list weigh in on this, please. > > np: Jennifer Kimball - 'Fall at your Feet' > ChuckE > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:49:48 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: Pronunciation please: 'Magdalene' (now njc) And the origin of the word bedlam is the name of Bethlehem! After the name of a lunatic asylum in England, I believe. At 09:57 PM 12/10/99 -0300, you wrote: >you won't believe this, but the origin of the word maudlin is actually the >name of mary magdalene!!! the etymology is probably based on the >story/legend that mary magdalene washed jesus' feet with her tears. hence, >any overly sentimental person or story, a crying drunkard, Michael being >busted for illegal shrimp traffic, etc. is called maudlin. >wallyk, to all appearances, big on etymology this year . Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #556 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?