From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #545 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 545 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Long and good stories [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Millennium Countdown [M.Russell@iaea.org] Correction [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: Blossom Dearie NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: More Joni report ["Raffaele Malanga" ] RE: More Joni report [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Millennium Countdown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Millennium Countown (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re[2]: More Joni report ["Lori REASON"] LACE report and Patti Witten [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: LACE report and Patti Witten [Phyliss Ward ] AOL's email spellchecker (NJC) - Cocteau becomes coquette and worse.. [Bo] delurking to chime in on Joni encounters (SNJC) [Bounced Message ] Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Millennium Countown (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Millennium Countdown [Brian Gross ] Rainy Night House Discuss [Jamie Zubairi ] Joni Mitchell Companion - an apology to UK listers and anyone else.... [] Joni Mitchell Companion - an apology part 2 [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [Phyliss Ward ] technical difficulties [Phyliss Ward ] technical difficulties [Phyliss Ward ] RE: email spellcheckers (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [Julian51469@aol.com] Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [Julian51469@aol.com] NJC Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] kAKKIFUNY ["Michael Paz" ] Another Joni Report--long [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni ["Kakki" ] Joni at LACE report(s) [Emily Kirk Gray ] Unplugged and Second Fret Sets ["dave foers" ] Joni's Autographs ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Favourite Christmas Songs NJC ["John Low" ] technical difficulties [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni [Phyliss Ward ] Joni at LACE ["John Low" ] Re: Joni's Autographs ["Kakki" ] Rolf Harris - Kate Bush NJC ["John Low" ] Re: Rolf Harris - Kate Bush NJC [Jason Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:17:15 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Long and good stories Dear Kakki, Phyliss, Pat, Lindsay and Andy! Wow! Reading your reports about meeting Joni, talking to her, seeing her wonderful artwork, and getting a preview of her new album has just made me feel so happy!!! Thank you, all of you, for sharing your experiences with us! I'm so glad to know that Joni likes the cookbook!!! And it's wonderful that she now also has the Jonifest boxed-set!!! I have been listening to it since I got it last week and enjoying all the wonderful contributions of everyone. I'm so happy for all of us in JMDL that she knows more about who we are. Even if you were not a contributor to the cookbook or to the Jonifest, I feel these things give her more of an idea of what JMDL is, and increase the possibility that she might feel inspired to have a chat with us someday or maybe show up at a Jonifest. My dream is that we could someday have a Jonifest with her as an invited guest and maybe have her do some art classes with us or something. It sounds like the new album (packaging and content) is going to be totally gorgeous. Wish you could somehow download your visual images and the songs so that we could all get a sneak preview. I'm so looking forward to February now!!! Again, many thanks and I wish you all continued good fortune! Marian Vienna NP: Ashara - Urge For Going (to L.A. ;^D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:18:45 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Penny wrote: > 38 J.S. Bach > Hey, Bobby Boy, can you come up with a link for Joni to > Bach other than the London Symphony connection? ;-) I am hopeless at this game - I'm not even sure that I know how to play, but I will try. I think a closer link of Joni to J.S. Bach is that Glenn Gould plays the most wonderful Bach you will ever want to hear and he is Canadian and so is Joni. Does this work (have I followed the rules?). Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Correction I wrote: <> My short term memory failed me briefly....I had the wrong "L"....sorry Lindsey! But I'm sure Laura would have represented us all very well too! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:43:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Blossom Dearie NJC blossom playing for drinks?!?!?!?!? wrong blossom surely. my blossom plays for fortunes and those velvet curtain calls. wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Roman Para: JMDL Digest Enviado: Miércoles 1 de Diciembre de 1999 05:20 Asunto: Blossom Dearie NJC > Blossom Dearie - Now that name rang a bell and I couldn't think where. > Then I remembered - She used to play for drinks at Pizza on the Park in > London ten years ago. > So she's made records? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 02:22:03 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: More Joni report Dear all, thank you for the great report of the special night some of you had with Joni. Unfortunately, for some reason I didn't get the whole report from Kakki (maybe this is because I get the onlyJoni digest) and so now I am burning of curiousity to read it. Can anyone send it to me? Anyway, I am really happy for you guys who've been blessed, and glad to read about Joni's gentle spirit. I can't wait to listen to the new album. Love, Raffaele (in London) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:21:15 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: More Joni report <> Well, I won't dwell on this, but to tell you the truth that thought alone made me wish I could go back to Ahsara's and redo my set. I'm glad I only put one song on - at least she (and all of you) will only have to hit the Next button once ;-) 'nuf said Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:34:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Marian asks hopefully: <> In a word Marian...no. But we do have a wonderful home version of the "Millenium Countdown" game for you and your family to enjoy at home! :~) But hey - don't be disheartened! After all, you are one of the finest Joni guitar whizzes IN THE WORLD! I could relate to your saying how much you were enjoying the Jonifest Box Set, it's so wonderful and brings back flodds of wonderful memories...and once again, Les, the quality is magnificent. I put a one-disc "sampler" together for a fellow JMDL'er who wanted only a taste, and the only specific request he made was "Lots of Marian, specifically "The Wolf Who Lives in Lindsay". I just finished it last night. It was definitely tough to pare the 4 discs down to one, but it was a lot of fun! Bob, who is still floating because Marian has consented to play guitar for him to sing at the N.O. Fest! NP: Dire Straits, "Tunnel of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:46:12 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Millennium Countown (NJC) Bob wrote: > <> > > In a word Marian...no. > But we do have a wonderful home version of the "Millenium Countdown" game > for you and your family to enjoy at home! :~) > Well, darn! Maybe some kind soul can explain it to me? Is there really such a game or does it only exist here in JMDL? > I could relate to your saying how much you were enjoying the Jonifest Box > Set, it's so wonderful and brings back flodds of wonderful memories...and > once again, Les, the quality is magnificent. > Yes, indeed, Les, superb quality! It's like being there again - so many great musical moments! Marian Vienna NP: John van Tiel w/Roberto on piano - Margherita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:27:41 +0100 From: "Lori REASON" Subject: Re[2]: More Joni report I heard from Wally Breeze that La Scala won't happen until late next year, and you're all invited over to my house after. (It's ONLY a 5 hour drive from Milano.) Lori, currently house hunting... ************ Also another quick question is if anyone happened to ask Joni about La Scala or a tour after the standards album's release? Again, fabulous reports guys! Thank you all so much! Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:24:35 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: LACE report and Patti Witten Thanks, Kakki, Phyllis, Andy and Pat for your reports on the Lace Opening!!! What a fabulous encounter! I'm so happy for Marian and everyone else involved with the Cookbook and the Jonifest Boxset. Now I can tell my mother that Joni is possibly making and enjoying her famous Irish Soda Bread recipe!! :-) Cool!! I got an email from a good friend of mine in Ithaca who is a wonderful singer/songwriter: Patti Witten. She has just released her first CD "Land of Souveniers" which is getting a lot of recognition. At the Lace opening, one of her friends handed Joni a copy of the CD, which Patti was very happy about. Patti has just announced that "Change Of Heart Church Choir" (a song on the new CD) was the "grand prize winner" of the Great American Song Contest! She had three songs make the finals in two categories; there were over 600 entries. "Is That True" was a top five song in the Rock/Pop/Adult Contemporary category, and "Opening Day" made the Honorable Mention list. All the details can be viewed at That makes 4 award-winning songs from "Land Of Souvenirs" since it's release in July 1999! ("Walk A Mile" (which is my favorite Patti song) was a finalist in the Woody Guthrie Song Contest.) "Land Of Souvenirs" is available right now online at: http://www.earBuzz.com/pattiwitten http://www.pattiwitten.com http://www.cdbaby.com/witten To order send check for $15 ea. (includes s/h) to: Potent Folk Records, 322 Pine Tree Rd., Suite 15, Ithaca, NY 14850 USA (607.272.0608) Thanks for letting me do some hawking for my good friend. I feel she is a quality player in the tradition of our Queen of Mind Beauty and I hope you get a chance to hear her. Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:31:19 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D finally got to read the story and i'm very happy for you. it was in the stars for you for that night and meant to be. reminds me that good things do happen in this world. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:40:06 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: LACE report and Patti Witten Susan McNamara wrote: > I got an email from a good friend of mine in Ithaca who is a wonderful > singer/songwriter: Patti Witten. She has just released her first CD "Land > of Souveniers" which is getting a lot of recognition. At the Lace opening, > one of her friends handed Joni a copy of the CD, which Patti was very happy > about. I think this may have been one of the items in Joni's pockets when she was looking for the prototype. Does the cover have a picture of a woman with longish brown hair? - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:50:21 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: AOL's email spellchecker (NJC) - Cocteau becomes coquette and worse.. From: Bkparlour@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:54:22 EST In one of the many "AOL upgrades" they sneaked a spellchecker into the "Write" feature of my installation and I haven't been able to winkle it out yet. However, it does provide some amusement. For example, the suggestion for a trade website called "Pubeasy" is "Pubes", it suggests "coquette" for "Cocteau" and frequently suggests my daughter "Catrin" should be "Carton". Does anyone else have experience of this slightly loopy spellchecker? David Mascall (currently of Fareham) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:51:51 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: delurking to chime in on Joni encounters (SNJC) From: "geronimo" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:52:23 +1100 I get so much enjoyment out of the list but rarely post - but can't help myself in the wake of Joni encounters since the reports are always filled with descriptions of emotional responses that I know I would have myself and am driven to shrieks of joy, laughter and excitement as the stories unfold. I'm so happy for those who got to be there (Kakki, Phyllis and others) and knowing that in a strange and wonderful way you represent us too and in that way we all get to part of these little and important moments in jonidom Looking forward to more of Kakki's reports - especially about the dinner party. Don't wait too long!! Nicholas (in Sydney) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:51:02 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Subject: RE: Christmas music -The Cocteau Twins covered Frosty the Snowman (NJC) From: Bkparlour@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:54:20 EST In a post on 2-12-99 Les (in London) wrote >Did someone say that The Cocteau Twins covered >Frosty the Snowman. I have to >hear this. I think that Elizabeth Fraser is a national >treasure and a voice >of the millenium. Their rendition of this song would be a >hoot to hear. >Anyone know anything about it? The mind boggles - but I'd love to hear it. Thanks for your reasoned views on flames and publicly avowed hates. My particular gooseflesh Christmas sensation is John & Yoko's "Happy Christmas war is over" which always strikes me as very mawkish if I try to look at it dispassionately - however it never fails to provoke an emotional reaction. David (in Fareham) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:53:57 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: LACE report and Patti Witten Yes, that's her!! This is so wierd!! What a convergence of connections ~~ I love it!! :-) At 7:40 AM -0800 12/3/99, Phyliss Ward wrote: >Susan McNamara wrote: > >> I got an email from a good friend of mine in Ithaca who is a wonderful >> singer/songwriter: Patti Witten. She has just released her first CD "Land >> of Souveniers" which is getting a lot of recognition. At the Lace opening, >> one of her friends handed Joni a copy of the CD, which Patti was very happy >> about. > >I think this may have been one of the items in Joni's pockets when she was >looking for the prototype. Does the cover have a picture of a woman with >longish brown hair? >-- >Phyliss >pward@lightspeed.net >http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:01:52 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni In a message dated 12/3/99 3:02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Penny writes: << I would be very curious about hearing some of the thoughts of those on the boxset, how they feel about Joni listening to them, rather than vice versa. >> I can see it all now.... Joni kicks back in her LA apartment. Puts her Jonifest box set into her multi-CD player. As Bob M. discusses the strangetude of talking with JMDLers in person Joni looks at the covers, the names, the faces, the song choices (no repeats...how did they do that?) As her songs drift back to her through the enthusiastic and glowing perfomers she is transported to Ashara's.... She's stretches out on her rainbow blanket (a la "Chalk Marks") on Ashara's lawn with everyone else around her. CatGrirl has just finished singining Coyote and Bob is beaming as he discusses the international crowd of crazies. Marian comes on and starts singing "Number One." Joni starts humming along with everyone else in the crowd. Later, when the Topsfield pigs show up she blows one a kiss and sends them on their way. In the morning she arrives all sleepy eyed and looking for her morning cup of coffee and smoke. All the JMDLers float around and about her discussing a better flan recipe, the difficulties and joys of mothers, figure skating, travel stories, famous bridges and rivers and their various different metaphysical ramifications, what was the tuning on "Ballerina Vallerie," artitic licence versus popular culture, favorite kitty litter (Rolling Stone is her favorite cat box liner, it turns out), the dangers of smoking and painting with oil paints, and if she could vote for any American canidate who would it be.... On other thoughts: As a visual artist, reading all the Lace Show posts, I am transported to the "opening jitters" blues and excitements that must have been going through Joni. This is what she considers herself - a painter, music is just a way of paying for the paint, in some respects. Here are these "shmoozing" strangers who want a piece of her fame, along comes an old friend who she has never met (Kakki and co.) and she now has something tangible and real to grab on to. She is flanked by her friends Shel and Val but they make way when Joni strikes that magic spark with a seeming stranger. Kakki, you were a little breath of fresh air and, I'm sure helped to take her out of the anxieties and awkwardness of being in the strange light of a gallery opening. Instead of dealing with hecklers (What's your sign?) and discussions of whether or not Van Gough was a genius or was he just crazy?....you were right there to discuss a dearly cherished cookbook and actually give her something. I don't care how famous or cool Joni is, from artist's opening night point of view you were an artist's angel. Thanks from all of us visually struggling folks. And on a fan's level... WOW!! Dude! Fu**ing A! Awreeety Awrighty! Yeah Baby! (whistle, whistle, stomp, stomp) Permagrin kickin' in. Thanks a million, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:24:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countown (NJC) <> As far as I know, Marian, the game originated with "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" where movie fans tried to link any film performer to Kevin through films that the actors performed together in...my sister the movie freak is uncanny at doing it. So when playing and linking with Joni, I don't know what the rules exactly are, but basically anytime 2 people record or perform together or perform music by the same writer they can be linked...you can stretch it to include photographers, producers, etc. But there should be a definite link, not just that they ate at the same restaurant or played in the same concert hall or both like hot dogs...hopefully, the end result is that it adds to our fun and enlightening discussions. The more I read liner notes (a habit I picked up way back in my album-buying days when one could actually read them sans microscope), the more I see Greg Liesz name just about everywhere! That guy has to be one of the most in-demand session guys around... Bob NP: John Doe, "Let's Be Mad" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Julian digressing to fan speak: <> Great post Julian! It *did* give me a permagrin! <> But this makes me wonder about another question. I think this is Kakki's third time of "running into" Joni. ;-) Phyliss' second? Did Joni seem to remember you guys from the PWWAM tapings? When Robbie came up and greeted Kakki with a hug and kiss, that must have jogged Joni's memory just a little? Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown - --- Penny wrote: > Bobby Baby, > > <<35 Paul McCartney- I thought we already did him, but he plays bass on > JT's "Carolina In My Mind"...>> > > I just went back to check fer sure. Nope! But I do think the McCartney > link to JT was used for another artist tying them to Joni. Michael > Jackson maybe? At any rate, all you guys are really, really good at > this! Very impressive! How about: Paul is widowed from Linda Eastman, who is credited with the Cover Photos on Tom Rush's "The Circle Game," which by no small coincidence, includes Joni's Tin Angel, Urge for Going, and The Circle Game, along with newcomers James Taylor (Something In The Way She Moves, Sunshine Sunshine) and Jackson Browne. I hope to get this album autographed Sunday night by Tom himself. Take care, Brian, who is so happy for Kakki that he's glad no one here in the office saw him reading her wonderful recollections and observations of the other evening. np: Loreena Live in Paris and Toronto ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:18:45 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Rainy Night House Discuss Here we go, Jamie has another question: In her haunting ballad, Rainy Night House, Joni mentions a man who lived 'with his father's gun, alone'. Does the chap commit suicide? if not, why mention the gun? Just wondering. I'm not sure if the quote is actually correct but I think it is. Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:43:26 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion - an apology to UK listers and anyone else.... This book is not available yet, despite what I posted last night.... I'm very embarrassed, because the people who provide my book information have cocked up on this one. This is doubly embarrassing to me because I used to work for them. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES Our Canadian lister is totally right to say that the book's not yet published - my trade CD-ROM and the book wholesaler information I've got on my Cdrom and the information on the internet from my wholesaler is WRONG!! The right order details are ISBN 0028653335, while book with the ISBN I've referred you, which was available as of last night, is for something called "The Complete Encyclopedia of the Guitar", also published by Schirmer. Latest indications are that the book will be published in December, as previously stated. Sorry if I've raised any hopes prematurely David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:47:27 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion - an apology part 2 Don't try and order the Joni Mitchell companion at Amazon.co.uk or BOL using the details I gave yesterday. Though they list it, they are using the same information source as me. More Apologies David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:48:40 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Penny wrote: > But this makes me wonder about another question. I think this is > Kakki's third time of "running into" Joni. ;-) Phyliss' second? Did > Joni seem to remember you guys from the PWWAM tapings? Although I was in the audience at PWWAM the second night, I did not get the chance to meet her there. I did meet her less than a year before and we (mostly she) spoke for about 5 minutes. I don't think she recognized me Wednesday, not that I would expect her to. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:50:17 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: technical difficulties I'm having trouble sending mail - something with the setup on my new computer. If you get something twice, please excuse me. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:50:24 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: technical difficulties I'm having trouble sending mail - something with the setup on my new computer. If you get something twice, please excuse me. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:29:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: email spellcheckers (NJC) no, but my own spellchecker recently got me into trouble on the list. i wanted to write "fesses up", and the thing turned it into "feces up"!!! wallyk, NP: anne's cactus tree. anne, your voice is truly CHESTY! > > Does anyone else have experience of this slightly loopy spellchecker? > > David Mascall (currently of Fareham) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:33:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Rainy Night House Discuss wasn't this about leonard cohen and a gun he had from his father? i remember there was a conflict with his mother over who would keep the gun. wallyk > In her haunting ballad, Rainy Night House, Joni mentions a man who lived > 'with his father's gun, alone'. Does the chap commit suicide? if not, why > mention the gun? > > Just wondering. > > I'm not sure if the quote is actually correct but I think it is. > > Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:51:10 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni In a message dated 12/3/99 11:44:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << <> But this makes me wonder about another question. I think this is Kakki's third time of "running into" Joni. ;-) >> OK, so they imediately start a debate on whether to pre grill the "Eggplantparmajoni" on just one side or should it be both sides...now;~)D Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:56:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Julian said: <> I have been fortunate enough to see samples of Julian's work. I would humbly say that his stuff is AWESOME! Bob NP: Doobie Brothers, "Neal's Fandango" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:20:03 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni In a message dated 12/3/99 2:56:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << <> I have been fortunate enough to see samples of Julian's work. I would humbly say that his stuff is AWESOME!>> Thank you Bob. You're tooooo kind. I think I need to let out a little secret with you folks.... Since I was a child, and consciously since I was in high school, almost every piece of art that I made had a common theme of "Returning to the Garden". In college I did my BFA Painting thesis on Synchronicity through physics, metaphysics and Jungian psychology. As an acausal connecting principal and through Carl Pribram's theory of the holographic paradigm a bridge is built between our mundane, ego-driven world into a world on interconnectivity and selflessness or oneness. I believe that we never left "the Garden" we just gained an ego and then a sense of self rightousness and therefore alienation from the very planet and universe we all live in. Joni Mitchell, I believe, is one of the loudest, clearest proponants of "getting back to the Garden". Allmost every show has ever done since 1969 has ended with "Woodstock" not to mention all of her other messages of "life out of ballance" and the struggle to return to that ballance. This is one of the key reasons I consider Joni a soul mate of mine: we are on the same mission. Thanks to all of you guys for being a part of my sense of interconnectivity and sense of oneness. I'm three-thousand miles and a couple of days away from Kakki, Phyllis and Andy at the Lace with Joni but thanks to Les, Wally B. I'm right there with y'all. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:40:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Julian said: <> Wow, Julian, that's the same thing I got from looking at your art! :~D (Actually, I just thought it was REAL PURDY...) Bob NP: Doobie Brothers, "I Been Workin' On You" (a mini-treatise on Man's ultimate inability to polarize with intergenerational creatures, I think) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:20:52 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: kAKKIFUNY Hello List- My gawd the hysteria is mounting, my own being paramount. I got to read Kakki's post just before going off to Jukebox last night and I was just peeing my pants. I am so happy for all of lucky folks out there. (WON"T SOMEBODY PLEASE SEND THEIR LEAR JET TO PICK ME UP AND FLY ME TO L.A. TO SEE THE PAINTINGS??? PLEASE!!!!!!!) It seems that there is this kakkifuny of drumming that is swelling here on the list, like it did last year during all the activity of concerts and releases. It is such an incredible feeling! I feel momentum building again and hope there will be many more things happening in the near future. I am just beside myself, thinking about hearing the new recording. I wish I would have been plugged in during the taping of PWWAM, cause I woulda hopped a plane in a second. I have such warm feelings for all of you who were able to experience the opening the other night and add my thanks to you all for the stories and the PENDING (please HURRY!!!!) pictures. BTW, it has come to my attention that Stormy Weather will be released soon to the masses. It is listed on Peter Erskine's web site. That way everyone can have a copy of the cd. Be well all, Michael NP-Always-Jonatha Brooke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:02:21 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Another Joni Report--long Well, Kakki nudged me to send in my report of the Wednesday LACE event in Hollywood with Joni. I had hesitated because Kakki and Phyliss's reports were so good and thorough and I didn't have quite the visit with Joni that they did. I drove up there from San Diego, pretty much ditching my regular life and responsibilities (kids? what kids?) to do it. I just had a sense this was going to be important and I had to do it. The traffic was pretty horrible in places (yes, L.A. traffic is all that you've heard...and worse!) I had packed up my Complete Lyrics book and my camera. Once I parked, however, I felt geeky walking in with my book, so I left it in the car. I kept my camera, though. Well, once I got in there -- and spotted k.d. lang first -- I just got shy and felt too obtrusive and touristy snapping photos. I stayed around the fringes just watching Joni (probably, to her, the most dangerous kind of fan!) and stood out near her on the balcony while she smoked and talked. I wanted to approach her but felt I had nothing to say to her other than the usual "I love your music and have for years" that she's heard a million times and that it would allow the conversation to go flat. (Maybe I ought to take one of those Dale Carnegie classes on how to win friends and influence people...) I so enjoyed just watching her and listening to her talk which I could do all day. But, for me, I didn't feel comfortable pushing and shoving my way up to meet her and invading her spaces by jamming a book in her face and taking her picture without her permission which people were doing left and right (and I'm not being critical of Kakki and Phyliss who were very respectful.) I just cringed at some of the people who were sort of treating her like a trained seal, Joni! Sign this! Joni! Meet my friend! I chose to hang back and bask in her beauty, which was stunning. The paintings in person were so ... luminous is the only word I can think of. My favorite was the snow landscape (I just checked TTT's booklet, but it's not in there -- I must have seen it on PWWAM) was just exquisite. The light and the velvety/sparkly surface of the snow on the road was just perfect. We met a few people who were interested to hear about the list and I hope they'll join. Meeting Robbie was great. What a card he is! So friendly and open with people he's never met. The fact that he so generously let us listen to the new CD is just mind-blowing. The CD is beyond amazing. I think it will really be embraced by those who complain (ignorantly so) that her music has no rhythm or melody. She sings gloriously. The one that really got me was the new version of "A Case of You." I remember reading Wally's post about Joni saying that even the, shall I say, old codgers in the orchestra were shedding a tear during her recording. This song will make you understand why. The packaging in the burgundy moire round box is just beautiful. The evening was just great!! Thank you to Steve Dulson for being the eagle-eye L.A. Times reader and to Kakki for escorting us around. It was great to meet Phyliss and Pat. I hope another event will come up soon -- I just can't get enough. And next time I'm taking the train : ) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:55:40 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re:Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Penny wrote: > Great post Julian! It *did* give me a permagrin! Yes, thank you Julian, me, too! And I hope there is a way for us to view your paintings - do you have a website? > But this makes me wonder about another question. I think this is > Kakki's third time of "running into" Joni. ;-) Phyliss' second? Did > Joni seem to remember you guys from the PWWAM tapings? I wouldn't count the first time years ago when I accidentally stepped back on her in a restaurant! All I said was "excuse me" and then went into total, speechless shock! The first night of the PWWAM tapings, Robbie arranged for all of us still there to meet her and I was still rather incoherent with her then. I'm really not sure if she remembered me at first but I sensed that she might have after we talked a bit. I think I may be more like a generic, symbolic "face of the JMDL" to her - kind of like the "face of Marianne" who represents France ;-D She did sign "Hello again, Kakki!!" in my STARART book. Getting back to the subject of the cookbook, I was so amazed and thrilled that she seemed to have really read all of our bios and could recall many details of them right away! It's so great that she enjoyed it so much. Marian, Michael and Jerry - are you still going to be reproducing copies of it? I would say the work has definitely increased in value and demand since the first edition ;-) Just please don't charge us those exorbitant prices that they gouge us for with the STARART books! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Joni at LACE report(s) i have to add my "me too, me too" EMPHATICALLY to everyone who wrote in about how wonderful it is to read about your encounters with joni and the entirely amazing evening of her show. for the past two days i've been getting little sharp thrills at the idea that joni knows and appreciates this community -- and again i feel lucky to have "found" you all, even if i'm also not the most prolific poster, and relatively new to the list. thanks to everyone for the stories -- please keep them coming -- any little bits are so appreciated and smiled about, by me here in brooklyn very JEALOUS...and also FREAKING OUT about the new album... it's a situation where that lovely expression "i'm freaking out!" and also the usually mundane "i can't wait" take on a whole new and completely apropos meaning! - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 00:02:01 +0000 From: "dave foers" Subject: Unplugged and Second Fret Sets Would anybody be willing to email me a song/venue or event/date list of the unplugged and second fret sets cd's?. Would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:27:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's Autographs Congratulations on your recent Close Encounter with Joni and Robbie. Question: I'm not an L.A. insider like yourself but I want to start buying the collector's edition of her new ones. Does Robbie Cavolina sell them? Do you suppose we could, as a JMDL group, prepay for the deluxe version and get an autograph? A JMDL edition of the new album is what I envision. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:33:06 PST From: "John Low" Subject: RE: Favourite Christmas Songs NJC Catherine wrote: >It sounds a lot better than "Honky the Christmas Goose". I don't know who >sang it, and maybe that's a good thing, but it was around some time in the >late 60s. I suspect it was only heard in Canada, so the rest of the world >was spared. It went: > >"Honky, the Christmas goose >Got so fat that he was no use >'Til he learned how to blow his nose >"Honk", the way a goose nose blows." > >Fortunately, it didn't really catch on. Oh, I don't know. At least it doesn't take itself too seriously, which is more than can be said for some of the sickly sweet sugary stuff that passes for 'popular' Christmas music. Personally, when it come to Christmas music, and despite a few exceptions, I mainly enjoy the great carols sung by choirs like the one from Kings College, Cambridge (UK). And, I do love "The Messiah". Sorry, Bob! >As far as the Grinch is concerned, I'm surprised it wouldn't be there in >Australia. You can get it on videotape as well - unfortunately ours is >kind of screwed up. I can guarantee your kids (and you) would truly enjoy >it, even if they're all growed up. I'm going to seriously investigate whether the Grinch is available. Like many others on this list, I'm a great Dr. Seuss fan. Thanks, too, pat, for your offer of help, about which I've emailed you privately. John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:05:03 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: technical difficulties I'm having trouble sending mail - something with the setup on my new computer. If you get something twice, please excuse me. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:04:58 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni > Topsfield, Kakki > Joni Penny wrote: > But this makes me wonder about another question. I think this is > Kakki's third time of "running into" Joni. ;-) Phyliss' second? Did > Joni seem to remember you guys from the PWWAM tapings? Although I was in the audience at PWWAM the second night, I did not get the chance to meet her there. I did meet her less than a year before and we (mostly she) spoke for about 5 minutes. I don't think she recognized me Wednesday, not that I would expect her to. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:08:59 PST From: "John Low" Subject: Joni at LACE Like Paul C in London I'm late reading and responding re the Joni art exhibition reports. As with Kakki's earlier acount of her meeting with Henry Diltz & Co., I enjoyed the feeling of actually being there. Such good evocative reporting! Thanks to all of you who attended for taking the trouble to share this experience with the rest of us. There seemed to be the indication that the exhibition might tour beyong the US. I wonder if it (and the lady herself) might pass our way down under. Hope springs eternal! John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:11:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Autographs Jim wrote: > Question: I'm not an L.A. insider like yourself but I want to start buying > the collector's edition of her new ones. Does Robbie Cavolina sell them? I don't know when they are going to start being made - we just saw a prototype the other night that is not yet finished. He did say there will be even more surprises to it that he wouldn't disclose to us ;-) I don't think Robbie personally would be selling them but he did say that they will be available in all the record stores and will retail for around $49.95 (U.S.) on February 8th. I wonder if they will also be available through CDNow and the other online stores. I'd like to get in my advance order. > Do you suppose we could, as a JMDL group, prepay for the deluxe version and > get an autograph? A JMDL edition of the > new album is what I envision. I don't know but if I get a chance to talk with Robbie again, I'll ask him if he knows of any way a "group package" could be arranged. However, that may entail one or more persons having to take on the task of taking and filling the orders, collecting the money and shipping them out. I don't know who that person/persons would be. Probably someone in marketing/promotions at Reprise will be sending out a limited quantity of gratis promo gifts, but they would not fill our orders for paid product directly. Kakki, feeling like Christmas really did come early this year ;-) And a very Happy Hanukkah to all those celebrating tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:24:45 PST From: "John Low" Subject: Rolf Harris - Kate Bush NJC Maurice wrote: >Rolf played Digerdu (quite nicely) on the title track of Kate Bush's >"The >Dreaming", ..released 1982..can you believe? Seems like the >other day. He also did a version of Led Zep's "Stairway To Heaven". Besides the didgeridoo, Rolf's other main musical instrument is the "wobble board". A man of many talents! John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 02:35:51 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Rolf Harris - Kate Bush NJC John Low wrote: > >Rolf played Digerdu (quite nicely) on the title track of Kate Bush's >"The > >Dreaming", ..released 1982..can you believe? Seems like the >other day. > > He also did a version of Led Zep's "Stairway To Heaven". Besides the > didgeridoo, Rolf's other main musical instrument is the "wobble board". A > man of many talents! ...and let's not forget his version of "One Hand In My Pocket"... ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:00:54 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni mentioned in PULSE magazine re: Tom Rush Just picked-up the December issue of Tower Record's PULSE magazine. On page 147, under "Folk" there is a review of Tom Rush....The Very Best of Tom Rush: No Regrets 1962-1999 "Despite his name, Tom Rush has never been in much of a hurry; since the early 60's, he's recorded only 13 albums, and this is the first multi-label anthology of his work. Rush's low profile and moderate commercial success may just be the best thing that ever happened to him and his fans, though; Rush has never been under pressure to be anything but who he is.....he's maintained his honesty and integrity all along, never forgetting that the song is what it's all about, not the image, not the big bucks. Rush got his start in the Cambridge folk scene, mining the lode of folk and blues standards. His early albums, represented here by covers like Jesse Fuller's 'San Francisco Bay Blues' showcased a talented, perceptive interpreter and an impressive guitarist (Rush played a mean bottleneck slide), but it wasn't until he switched from Prestige to Elektra Records circa '65-'66 that Rush came into his own. There, going electric, he cut the classic albums TAKE A LITTLE WAK WITH ME (note to Rhino: please reissue in it's entirety!) and THE CIRCLE GAME, the latter one of the first records to feature the writing of Joni Mitchell and James Taylor. Oddly, while the Mitchell-penned URGE FOR GOING is included here, THE CIRCLE GAME itself is inexplicably not, and one can also take issue with the decision to feature an inferior '70s rerecording of Rush's own NO REGRETS rather than the moving version from this 1968 classic. The later recordings cherry-picked for this 17-tracker include consistently fine material (some of it live) cut both for Columbia and Night Light, as well as a new recording, RIVER SONG that features Shawn Colvin and Marc Cohn on guest vocals. It all adds up to a commendable sampling of a performer who's always been a pleasure to hear. The only regret about 'The Very Best of Tom Rush: No Regrets 1962-1999' is that it's not a double or triple set" ****(4 Star Rating) Also, in Pulse, page 166 is an ad for The Chieftains TEARS OF STONE with Joni's name mentioned. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:10:37 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: NJC: "Flawless:" 'flamingly' tender Ok JoniMovie Lovers, I saw a thoroughly entertaining movie tonight that Id like to encourage you to see. I don't know why the NYTImes was so lukewarm with "FLawless." I thought it was wonderful. The following are some of my opinions mixed in with some other online critic's comments: "What? You're afraid you might suffer from a severe jewelry rash?" cracks Rusty (Philip Seymour Hoffman), a pudgy, self-deprecating drag queen, and the tough-as-nails heart of this movie. ("Flawless", Joel Schumacher as screenwriter and director , tells the story of the gradual bond between a macho/bigot policeman and a low rent gay female impersonator/pianist. (It's Taxi Driver meets To Wong Foo!) Walt's disgusted by homosexuality; Rusty's equally revolted by homophobes. But as apartment neighbors they reluctantly come together after Walt suffers a paralyzing stroke and must undergo speech therapy — something a certain local grande dame can provide (in the form of singing lessons) if Walt can check his bigotry at the door. The best thing about Flawless is that he can't. Walt and Rusty are stubborn, combative opposites who form an unlikely friendship because?....who knows?...because they're fundamentally decent human beings?...or maybe because maybe that they've both endured hard lives. ("Poor me, poor me, **pour** me another," Rusty keeps cranking them out which keeps the movie light while coming from a bittersweet premise..) Schumacher's script doesn't shy away from nasty confrontation. In a difficult role, Philip Seymour Hoffman ascends from supporting player (Twister, Boogie Nights, Happiness) to character lead with a bitchily funny, heartfelt performance. He never resorts to cheap, Birdcage-style theatrics and is unafraid to make Rusty by turns dignified, fierce, and tragic. De Niro underplays in a role Yes, he gets all the stroke victim moves down as seamlessly technical (as in the "Awakening,") But he's also quietly tender. I was astounded by Philip Seymour's gentle and sensitive performance as Rusty...as well as his moments of displaying wisdom, courage, inner-strength and integrity----especially in the scene featuring Rusty and his drag crew facing off against a pack of Log Cabin Republicans who have just requested that their gay "brothers" not dress in drag for the upcoming Halloween parade---Rusty gives them a response: "Look all of you Mr. Bananna Republicans...." -JulieZWebbbbbbbbbbbbbb ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #545 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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