From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #543 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 543 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V4 #540 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni Encounters of the Close Kind #2 [Phyliss Ward ] NJC Help and info needed on Don Henley's new album [Jason Maloney ] RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] like a bad penny... ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D ["Catherine McKay" ] Fwd: TOM RUSH: SPECIAL NOTICE njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Tinker article in OC Register (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Dreams Part 2 (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni Encounters of the Close Kind (LONG) ["Catherine McKay" ] Kakki meets Joni... [Louis Lynch ] re: Millennium Countdown [julius.kalcevich@ac.com] Re: thanksgiving in new orleans ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Kakki meets Joni... [Deb Messling ] Long and Good :-) [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D [Scott Price ] Rolf Harris-NJC- Kate Bush Content [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D [Linda Worster ] Re: Millennium Countdown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Ricky Martin NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D) ["Eric Taylor" ] Christmas Music for the Grinchy and Scroogy (NJC) [Catherine Turley > Rick, Rick, Rick... Some folks may think I'm crazy for openly offering to tape and CD and distribute, but what I'm trying to do is BEAT THE BOOTLEGGERS! E-Bay and record stores sell the same stuff (usually worse quality) that a lot of us have, and the money goes to people who are illegally profiting from Joni's work. That sucks. So the other moral to the story is: DON'T BUY JONI MUSIC FROM E-BAY OR BOOTLEGGERS!! Do what James did, ask the list! Assuming James wants this show from me, all he buys is a blank CD or tape, and postage...I buy nothing, make or lose no money. I get the joy of sharing with a fellow JMDL'er, he or she gets the joy of hearing new Joni, and the Bootlegger? Well, they're just out in the cold, where they belong! PS: Dan, got your package today, you've got a LOT of joy coming your way! ;~) Bob NP: Terence Trent D'Arby, "I Still Love You" (one of the most overlooked artists of the decade imo...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:25:37 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) Les said: >Yes, this has always suprised me when, in whatever situation, I >express an >opinion that someone in the conversation will take quite >a hostile and >contradictory reaction to. Something that might at >best be quite a mundane >(ie something that perhaps doesn't merit >that kind of passion - but what >am I saying here) topic. I guess some of it relates to the fact that an email is just a written message. There's no tone, there's no body-language attached to it, so it's sometimes hard to tell when someone is truly serious about something or more tongue-in-cheek. Yeah, I know we've got those emoticon thingies, but I don't much care for them - I prefer to write things out (like, haha, if I think something is funny). And I guess we've all got our sensitive spots. Or our sensitive days. (I'm having one now! I want to kill someone - anyone - the next person who pisses me off! this said only partly tongue-in-cheek. I do have one mother of a headache. I think we're in for some form of heavy precipitation, but whether it comes in the form of rain or snow has yet to be determined - it can't come fast enough for my poor head!) Going back to the sensitivity thing, some of us can joke about things that other people simply can't find funny. It's not necessarily the things that we've experienced either that determine that. For example, a lot of people with mental health problems can and do joke about it in a way that others might find very weird and very offensive. Having been raised a Catholic, I can make Catholic jokes and find a lot of them really funny, but some people would think it was terrible. And so on. And then, I have a rather thick skin myself (and a thick head as well), so I don't usually take offense at most things and therefore sometimes have difficulty appreciating the fact that something I've just said might hurt somebody (until it's too late and I've already said it.) Anyway, I don't think people should be afraid to express their opinion. My general impression of people on this list is that they are for the most part, most of the time, very open-minded and possessed of a find sense of humour. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:47:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni at LACE Kakki, Phyliss, Lindsay, Andy and Pat - WAY TO GO, KIDS! :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:46:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni Encounters of the Close Kind #2 The paintings were awesome! So much better in person. The show is there through Dec 23rd for anyone who is going to be in the area. The first self portrait in the gallery will be the cover for the new album and it is absolutely incredibly gorgeous. When I heard that Joni had just received the cover Art prototype from Robbie I walked up to her (unbelievable there was an open spot) and asked if I could see it. She dug through her pockets, kept pulling out this CD, that piece of paper, till she found it. She handed it to me so proud, pointed at some background coloration saying "this will be darker". I really believe it will be her most beautiful CD cover yet. So lush and romantic. Combined with the 'special packaging' option we saw later at Robbie's place, it HAS to win the Grammy for Art Direction. BTW, at Robbies we all got to hold he and Joni's (shamefully dusty) Grammy for the TTT Art. Kewl! But I digress... I had been walking around with my StarArt book and pen in my hand for the whole night, so right after I handed the prototype back to her I was thinking it was now or never. As if an angel, Joni's friend Val, who was standing with his arm around her the whole time, pointed to my book and kind of motioned/questioned if I wanted it signed. I said 'yes, Joni, I'm not leaving here till this thing is signed so you might as well get it over with now' in a playful way. I kinda can't believe I said that now but I felt quite comfortable in her presence this time and it felt ok. I opened it to the page with her curly haired photo and Val commented "Who did that to you?" and she said "He did" pointing to Shell standing on the other side of her. There was a little kidding and giggling about the curly doo and she asked my name, I told her I had a strange way of spelling it and she got it down right. I thanked her and left her presence, satiated, another Joni goal complete. Let someone else have a chance. Now I have Graham's and Joni's signatures near their mugs. I guess I'll have to get James and Judy ( of whom there are drawings in the book) too! I mean you always need a new bigger goal right? ; - ) - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:58:17 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: NJC Help and info needed on Don Henley's new album Hi folks, Is there anyone who has any kind of information on this album? It's called Otherwise, and is scheduled for release in january 2000. Where can I look on the web to hear cips (if any)? Has there been any muisc press coverage? This is for a UK magazine assignment...my first. The editor wanted some suggestions for articles relating to Jan 2000 releases. I mentioned Don Henley, as I have a fairly intimate knowledge of his back-catalogue. Trouble is, they want me to write about the new album! Eek. I don't know anything about it, save for the title and scheduled date. Whatever help, however small, will be greatly appreciated :-) Even just to send me in the right direction...... Thanks, Jason. PS. I suggested an article on Joni's Both Sides Now project for Feb, and he liked the idea! So, I'm also happy to take on board anything for that as well.....but Don first, please! I have 7 days to put something together.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:00:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Favourite Christmas Songs NJC John explained: >“Six White Boomers” is a children’s Christmas song he wrote about Santa >Claus rescuing a little joey kangaroo from “a great big zoo” and taking him >back home to his mum in Australia. Santa’s sleigh is pulled by six white >“old man Kangaroos” and the chorus goes: > >“Six white boomers, snow white boomers, >Racing Santa Claus through the blazing sun. >Six white boomers, snow white boomers, >On his Australian run.” > >It’s a great Christmas song. My kids love it! > It sounds a lot better than "Honky the Christmas Goose". I don't know who sang it, and maybe that's a good thing, but it was around some time in the late 60s. I suspect it was only heard in Canada, so the rest of the world was spared. It went: "Honky, the Christmas goose Got so fat that he was no use 'Til he learned how to blow his nose "Honk", the way a goose nose blows." Fortunately, it didn't really catch on. As far as the Grinch is concerned, I'm surprised it wouldn't be there in Australia. You can get it on videotape as well - unfortunately ours is kind of screwed up. I can guarantee your kids (and you) would truly enjoy it, even if they're all growed up. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:08:03 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) <> this reminds me of my favorite expression: "Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of." Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:02:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni encounters - promises I did take some digital video at the show and I will get that out to folks somehow as soon as I can get it cleaned up. We are getting a new computer today with a more capabilities for that kinda thing and I will probably need my husband's more technically able help with it. So, stand by... - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:14:36 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: like a bad penny... hi gang, just wanted to check in with you guys after a major hard drive crash & burn which took me offlist for a while... so, anyone who's posted me will get a (rather late) answer soon while I sort through it all. going through the most recent digests and reading kakki's report is so cool! ...a connection for everyone onlist and an early xmas present for us all. ...sure hope SOMEone gets her the jonifest music as well. the thought occurred to me that one person, besides, of course, our wonderful marian, who's GOT to be feeling rather gratified right now is our generous benefactor, les! I wonder when he started it, if he ever thought it would get this good... another thing that occurred to me is that, not only is this list a joy to us but the thing that stuck with me from kakki's sharing is what a kick Joni herself is getting from it! (and from us!) we have become a part of HER life too! :-) pat NP: Marcie http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:16:24 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Kakki - this is amazing! >What a night - I don't know where to begin. Phyliss, Pat and Andy >arrived >before me at LACE tonight and they all have their own >stories to tell. I >got there a little late but there she was right >in the middle of the room >with a glass of wine in hand... Do you think it's possible Joni's art might tour? I would love to see the real paintings. Any idea who might have this kind of information? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:36:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Catherine asked: > Do you think it's possible Joni's art might tour? I would love to see the > real paintings. Any idea who might have this kind of information? There is so much to digest and recall from last night and as I think of more stuff I will post about it. I recall either Phyliss or Andy did hear Joni confirm that she will be doing the "world tour" showing of her paintings starting in Saskatoon like we heard a few months ago!! Helen asked how I was not blubbing like a fool last night - well, I already did that the first time I met her at the tapings and I swore to myself that this time if I met her I would be more composed! I actually have been repeating mantras the last couple days "you WILL be composed, you WILL NOT babble like a goof" ;-D Even though no one believes this, I am very shy at heart and was very reticent to approach her last night. But after a few hours of seeing all the schmoozers freely flocking all around her and taking her photo without asking, I felt a little more emboldened. I saw her friend Shel standing next to her and so I shyly identified myself as from the list. He was very nice and asked me with a big smile if I was a friend of Les. After that he made sure that I got ahead of the hoardes and got me right next to Joni. The first thing I did was give her the Jonifest box set. I felt shy but maintained my composure. Upon seeing it and realizing I was from the list she instantly went into the long rave about the cookbook. This put me so much more at ease and made the rest of our exchange just perfect. All through our conversation, other people were still trying to interrupt and squeeze in but she kept her focus on me. There was one guy who yelled out to her "When's your birthday?" When she told him he said "OH, you're a Saggitarius!" She replied "noooooo, I don't use a bow and arrow, I use the old stinger!" and she stuck out her backside and pointed! It was hilarious! Got to get back to work now, but will be back later ;-) Thanks to everyone for their good wishes!! I am truly still in dreamland. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Fwd: TOM RUSH: SPECIAL NOTICE njc - --- mail@tomrush.com wrote: > SPECIAL NOTE TO TOM RUSH MAILING LIST: (and the JMDL too) > > TOM ON NPR WEEKEND EDITION SATURDAY > Tom will play, and talk with Scott Simon, on NPR's Weekend Edition Saturday, > December 4th. It airs early AM in most markets; check your local listing for > time. Anyone else in the Phila area going to see him this Sunday evening besides me?? later, Brian np: the normal lunacy of my office ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:48:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Emily asks: >i like TTT for "morning music" somehow...does anyone else >play joni's albums for certain times or periods? (i do >this with all music too). I never thought of it that way, but what a neat idea. I may do this kind of thing subconsciously - I do have to be in the mood for a particular type of music. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:52:51 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Tinker article in OC Register (NJC) >The good news - The full page article that the Orange County >Register did on the Tinker's Own is online at: > >http://www.ocregister.com/search/19991126/entertainment/ocpop.shtml > >We get interviewed by the LA Times after our show Friday. Details >to follow. > This is great news, Steve. Let us know when the LA Times interview appears. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:56:54 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: RE: Christmas music... (NJC) On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Ross, Les wrote: > Did someone say that The Cocteau Twins covered Frosty the Snowman. I have to > hear this. [snip] Anyone know anything about it? Les and WallyK, Yes. My friend the Cocteau Twins authority tells me (I don't have it myself -- I heard it on the radio last Christmas while in a local indie record shop) that it's from a non-album single they put out a few years ago called "Snow," which has two songs on it, "Frosty" and "Winter Wonderland." - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:01:27 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Dreams Part 2 (NJC) In that the list recently engaged in a significant discussion about dreams I thought I would post these two intriguing articles. Marcel Deste 100 Years Ago, a Book Ignited the Study of the Mind It was not the overnight success its author had hoped for. The first edition of Sigmund Freud's "Interpretation of Dreams," published on Nov. 4, 1899, sold 600 copies in eight years, a disappointing accounting for any writer, much less one who likened his struggle with the manuscript to the biblical Jacob's wrestling match with an angel. But beginnings are sometimes deceptive. A century after the book's publication, Freud's ideas have seeped so deeply into the culture that most people invoke them daily without being aware of it. Psychoanalysis itself may be out of favor, but to take a serious interest in literature, art or the social sciences is to ignore psychoanalysis at one's peril. And the book's emphasis on unconscious urges and desires, and the compromise negotiated between the rational ego and the unruly libido, became the bedrock upon which psychoanalysis was built. "In some ways," said Dr. Bertram Cohler, an analyst and professor of psychology at the University of Chicago, Freud's dream book "is not about dreaming at all, but about the ways that we make meanings out of our lives." "Nothing that Freud did ever really departed from that first major discovery," he said. Freud regarded "The Interpretation of Dreams" as his most important work, according to Dr. Ritchie Robertson, of Oxford in the introduction to a new translation of the first edition, released this month by Oxford University Press. But over the years, with the refinement of his theories, Freud revised and expanded the original edition. At one point, under the influence of a colleague, Wilhelm Stekel, he even added a section explaining specific dream symbols: wild beasts represented passionate impulses: staircases symbolized sexual intercourse. The inclusion of such a literal glossary, writes Dr. Robertson, has "given so much satisfaction to the simple-minded, and done so much to bring Freudian analysis into disrepute." The eighth edition of the book, as translated into English by James Strachey in 1953, became part of the Standard Edition of Freud's work. But by then, psychoanalysis was weighted down with technical terminology, and Strachey's translation added yet another layer of "medicalized" language. The new translation, by Dr. Joyce Crick, a scholar of German retired from University College London, contains none of the material added in later editions, and tries to remain faithful to the spontaneous quality of Freud's idiom. Dr. Crick said in the end she viewed the book less as a scientific text than an interpretive work. And she was drawn in by the deeply personal expedition Freud chronicled, filled with his own dreams and his efforts to make sense of them using the methods he developed. Over the years, Freud lamented that his ideas about dreams, insofar as they reached the public, were often misunderstood. "If you ask how much of dream-interpretation has been accepted by outsiders," he wrote in 1932, "the reply gives little cause for satisfaction." A few concepts, he continued, had "become generally familiar, among them some that we have never put forward -- such as the thesis that all dreams are of a sexual nature." But much of the book's most important material, he wrote "still seems as foreign to general awareness as it was 30 years ago." Yet today, Freud might well take pleasure that his ideas still loom large on the landscape. "He is terribly like Everest," Dr. Crick said. "He's there." ERICA GOODE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:02:10 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni Encounters of the Close Kind (LONG) Phyllis wrote: >"Don't they have a separate entrance for the star?" She turned and > >smiled. I stuck out my hand and said "Hi Joni, I'm Phyliss" and she > >shook my hand. <> >About that time there was some scuffling behind the locked, opaque > >windows. Someone said " We don't open till 6:00." "This is Joni, > >PLEASE let me in" was the reply. I don't think they heard her >because >another minute or two went by - with Joni shaking the door, >scuffling. >Finally Joni bent over and said to someone through the >mail drop - This is >Joni Mitchell - Let me in! >The door opened, they entered. What a great story! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:17:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) Anne quoted some myserious sage: >"Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of." > Beauty! Very funny and very true! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:28:21 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni Encounters of the Close Kind (LONG) Late as usual, but no less euphoric. Kakki and Phyliss - your reports are pure utter magic. Perhaps most pleasing is the way they seem to have both happened so naturally - like it was always destined to be that way. No unnecessary pushing. In my best North London accent "Well pleased for the both of yous" PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:27:08 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni report :-D What a fantastic experience! I add a big WOW and a thank you to everyone for their reports. Joni seems so accessible now. Is that different from years past? Is she actually more comfortable with her fans (my musing: since most of them are a little older and maybe a little more patient and respectful than during her first years of fame), or is it just that we know more about where she is now? Was anyone checking who came in? Did she seem to have any security around her? How many people were in the room? She sounds amazingly gracious. Were the paintings for sale? WOW again and again. I especially love her composure and quick wit, even with so many people around wanting her attention. Debra Shea Kakki wrote: > ...There was one guy > who yelled out to her "When's your birthday?" When she told him he said > "OH, you're a Saggitarius!" She replied "noooooo, I don't use a bow and > arrow, I use the old stinger!" and she stuck out her backside and pointed! > It was hilarious! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:08:31 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Kakki meets Joni... OK, guys, that's it! I can't take it anymore! Catgirl, David Lahm, and everybody else here east of the Mississippi... Pack up, we're moving to California! Kakki, it's just not fair... Remember what the teacher used to say... If you're going to meet Joni Mitchell in person, you have to take the rest of the class with you so they can all meet Joni Mitchell in person. (I may have paraphrased.) Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:31:01 -0500 From: julius.kalcevich@ac.com Subject: re: Millennium Countdown ****** Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown 38 J.S. Bach Hey, Bobby Boy, can you come up with a link for Joni to Bach other than the London Symphony connection? ;-) Penny ******** In response to linking Joni to Bach (#38), here are two possible connections...both are very indirect but possibilities all the same... 1. Nina Simone's version of "Love Me or Leave Me" where she melds in virtuoso Bach piano samplings during the bridge of the song. (I cannot find the specifics anywhere, i.e what pieces of Bach's that she is sampling, but she says that it is Bach in her autobiography. She was Juilliard-trained so I hope she knows her Bach.) Nina Simone wrote "Young Gifted and Black" with Lorraine Hansberry, which was recorded by Aretha Franklin. Aretha recorded Carole King's "Natural Woman". Joni sang back-up on James Taylor's version of Carole King's "You Got a Friend". 2. Even though this is contraversial, it has been discussed that "Whiter Shade of Pale" was either inspired or even copied from Bach's choral piece, "Sleepers Awake." (There is more debate on this topic on their website.) Annie Lennox recorded "White Shade of Pale" on Medusa, where she also sung Neil Young's "Don't Let It Get you Down". Then Neil Young to Joni should be easy... That's for the opportunity for temporary delurking- Julius (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:03:59 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: thanksgiving in new orleans - ----- Original Message ----- From: patrick leader Subject: thanksgiving in new orleans > folks, > > i have been just too crazed to contribute much to the list lately, but i had > to take a moment to publicly thank michael paz for being such a great host, > for my sister and i, in new orleans. I actually could have done a much better job, but the combination of flu and my family being in from Honduras prevented me from showing Patrick and Karen the darker side of New Orleans. > > michael took me to lunch at maninda's, where i had my first po-boy and ate > the best onion rings i've ever had off of michael's plate. then i went and > picked up karen at the airport (following michael through the backstreets of > n.o. to avoid traffic) karen and i went into town to check in, then to the > quarter for an amazing meal at NOLA, adn extremely inventive new restaurant. It is actually Mandina's which is a New Orleans Mid City tradition. NOLA is the second incarnation of the ever popular Emeril Lagasse. NOLA is my favorite of all his restaurants in town. > > thanksgiving at chez paz was sublime, incredible food, incredible company > (freda is as wonderful as michael) and great music throughout the night. > one of michael's performer friends, denise marie, sang a bit, she did a song > that billie sings (though i've not heard billie's version) called 'i'm > having my self a time', as well as dylan's 'buckets of rain'. karen and i > made a special point of seeing denise play out on friday. wonderful. I wish there had been more time for music and unfortunatly a rather close family friend was somewhat of a pain in the ass and broke up what promised to be an extended Joni Jam, but ah well. Denise is great and a good friend. Her CD is great. I am hoping she will work something up for the Joni Tribute show in May. Which reminds me I hope you can work Memorial Day in New Orleans into your busy schedule next year. Thanks for the nice comments and it was great to have you folks in my home. Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:00:34 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion - UK availability "Paul Castle" wrote: >Stacey - Do you know if there is a UK co-edition >at the same time? I'd love to be able to get hold of >this before the Christmas holiday, too. Ive just checked my trade info and this is definitely available now as an import edition, and is in stock at one of my friendly book wholesalers at £12.99 (unless their stock database lies - which it hasn't done lately). Most independent booksellers (and a few of the biggies) should be able to get you a copy overnight. Quote ISBN 0028650271 The Joni Mitchell companion: Four decades of commentary By Stacy Luftig. Schirmer, Aug 1999, Published in USA. 275pp, 286 x 235mm, Photographs PAPERBACK UK £12.99 0028650271 Hope you enjoy it David Mascall (My partner can quote you for mail order at Bkparlour@aol.com). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:09:52 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Aimee Mann (NJC) In a message dated 02/12/99 00:28:50 GMT Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << Songs like "Red Vines" and "Nothing Is Good Enough" rank up there with earlier material like "4th of July," "Coming Up Close," and "That's Just What You Are." >> I've been hearing Red Vines on my favorite radio station and it is indeed very fine. I'm a fan of Aimee and I'm real glad to hear something new from her. Looking forward to hearing the rest of it. Way to go, Aimee! >> I am SO excited to hear of all this Aimee stuff heading our way. And I'm glad to hear a mention of "Coming Up Close", a gloriously beautiful song. I KNOW I've said this before, but the first 5 songs on "Welcome Home" (ie Side One - I used to have it on vinyl!) form a slice of real pop perfection: glorious melodies, intelligent lyrics, exquisite singing, beautiful production by Rhett Davies, and choruses to make anyone weak at the knees. The build up and slight delay before the chorus of "On Sunday" kicks in is nothing short of (cover your eyes, those of a nervous disposition) ORGASMIC! Azeem in London NP: Time Out Of Mind, Bob Dylan (who, it is fair to say, does not sound - or look - very much like Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:09:58 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: 12 days of xmas joke (NJC) In a message dated 30/11/99 19:22:48 GMT Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << I *just* received this yesterday from a friend and it is hysterical!! The language is....errrr..... a bit.... strong! I'd be happy to send it to anyone who wants it. Linda, still LOL >> Yes please! Language no bar whatsoever! Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:10:01 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC In a message dated 28/11/99 21:54:37 GMT Standard Time, mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << Or just maybe they've "labelled" him *Gay* because he *is*. The rumors I've heard didn't start on talk shows. They started among Puerto Rican gay men. At this point I'm beyond caring--Sr. Martin is tired and his pores are too large for him to be truly cute. ;-) But I can't help but notice that nobody, queer or straight, gets defensive when celebrities are "labelled" *Straight*. >> This reminds me of a current controversy about a Conservative politician called Michael Portillo, who, having lost his seat in the 1997 election, has just been re-elected in a by-election [in case this is an exclusively UK term, this is a parliamentary election that is held between general elections, prompted by a sitting MP either dying or resigning]. Rumours about his sexuality have been rife for ages, and he recently admitted to having had what he described as "mild homosexual experiences" as a student, the implication being that he used to be poof but he's alright now. It makes me laugh that he's so fundamentally misunderstood the prevailing public mood. People really don't give a toss if an MP is gay (there are several openly gay MPs, and with most of them their sexuality is not an issue) - what they object to is hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's taking the line that he had an illness, of which he's now cured. Anyway, there was a hilarious report on the BBC which contained the following two statements, both delivered free of irony or intent: "In order to dodge the cameras Mr Portillo used the rear entrance" and "To secure the Conservative party nomination Mr Portillo will have to beat off two other candidates". And last week, after winning the vote, he was interviewed on GLR and asked about how his opposition to gays in the military and lowering the age of gay consent squared with his own experience, and replied "Well I'll be blowed if I can see the connection". You couldn't make it up!!! Azeem in London NP: Mercury Rev, Deserter's Songs, still sounds astounding ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 23:38:17 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC > what he described as "mild homosexual experiences" as a student, Well, i'll be blowed,this turned out to be an eight year relationship. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:40:30 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Kakki meets Joni... Next to Wally's weekend, this is the most exciting Joni encounter I've read. I'm struck by how warm and personable Joni is in these instances. The press paints her as something of a cross between Norma Desmond and Attilla the Hun. Can't wait for the special edition CD, and can't wait for Joni to move to Jersey. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:33:47 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Long and Good :-) I want to add my thanks for the various accounts of your evening with Joni, and for representing the listers to her. It was a special treat to find that in my mailbox this evening! If you remember more... don't forget us! We'd love to hear it! Dan <--- lefty in a righty world NP: not a blessed thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:43:22 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Kakki, Andy, Phyliss, et al, How wonderful it was to read of your special night at Joni's painting exhibition. Thanks for sharing your stories with all of us. Even though I'm a only minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:54:53 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Rolf Harris-NJC- Kate Bush Content Related to recent Rolf post: <biiig hit years ago! snip > Rolf played Digerdu (quite nicely) on the title track of Kate Bush's "The Dreaming", ..released 1982..can you believe? Seems like the other day. Maurice NP - Suspended In Gaffa - Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:43:49 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Scott wrote: > >Kakki, Andy, Phyliss, et al, > >How wonderful it was to read of your special night at Joni's painting >exhibition. Thanks for sharing your stories with all of us. Even though I'm >a only minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation >after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately >embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what >goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work. Scott- Thanks for putting this so well. Me too. Tears came to my eyes at times as I read the posts from all of you who were with our Joan last night. And the feeling is one of thankfulness that SHE knows we are out here loving her art. I'm glad she feels our support and love. As Pat said... we've become part of HER life now... WOW... what a world... Thank you all for telling us about last night. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:52:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Julius emerges from the shadows to link: << In response to linking Joni to Bach (#38), here are two possible connections...both are very indirect but possibilities all the same... >> Nice work, detective Julius! I was going to go: Sugarloaf played a medley of Bach and Chest Fever by Robbie Robertson, and of course linking The Band & Joni is a no-brainer... As for the others that remain unlinked: 39 Tom Petty - Sings (if you want to call it that) on "Dancin' Clown"    35 Paul McCartney- I thought we already did him, but he plays bass on JT's "Carolina In My Mind"...    34 Miles Davis - played a classic version of "Summertime"    33 The Doors Probably some really cool links, I'm gonna go with their performing Kurt Weill's "Alabama Song" on their debut, which was also covered by Richard Butler on the Weill tribute "Lost In The Stars", which features Tom Waits, Todd Rundgren, Sting, and some others that we've already linked.    32 Neil Young Lots of them, I'll go with Neil's harmonica on "Furry"   31 Buddy Holly Another Band link, The Band does a cover of "Not Fade Away" on the Holly trib disc of the same name. So once again, you see, it always comes "Bach" to Joni! :~) Bobby Baby NP: Tom Petty, "echo" (doing some REAL vocal work here) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:57:31 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC I, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net , stated I was pissed that the media stereotype Ricky Martin as a closet case. mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu responded: << Or just maybe they've "labelled" him *Gay* because he *is*. The rumors I've heard didn't start on talk shows. They started among Puerto Rican gay men... But I can't help but notice that nobody, queer or straight, gets defensive when celebrities are "labelled" *Straight*. >> AzeemAK@aol.com observed: << This reminds me of a current controversy about a Conservative politician called Michael Portillo... Rumours about his sexuality have been rife for ages, and he recently admitted to having had what he described as "mild homosexual experiences" as a student, the implication being that he used to be poof but he's alright now. It makes me laugh that he's so fundamentally misunderstood the prevailing public mood. People really don't give a toss if an MP is gay (there are several openly gay MPs, and with most of them their sexuality is not an issue) - what they object to is hypocrisy and dishonesty. He's taking the line that he had an illness, of which he's now cured. >> What everyone always seems to leave out of the equation is: #1. Our private sexual life is nobody's godamn business! #2. If every man who explored his sexuality with another man was a homosexual then 90+% of the male population would be Gay according to countless studies. The reason nobody gets defensive when celebrities are labelled *Straight* is because IT'S EXPECTED. What pisses me off is that being labeled *Gay* is still used as a put down by stupid commedians. As Freud once said, "Throughout life the libido naturally oscillates between male and female." E.T. NP: Fleetwood Mac, Rumors ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:47 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D) Kakki, what a moving, touching story!!! I was especially excited by your description of the new album's art & music: <> I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT next Valentine's Day! Meanwhile I'd love to hear more about Joni's latest paintings. BTW, anyone notice how much more VIVID her snow-landscape appears in the PWWAM (during Facelift) than it does on the TTT sleeve? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:35:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: More Joni report I think the shock is just starting to set in ;-) My assistant at work asked me this afternoon if my feet had touched down yet and I said that actually they were just starting to take off! It's kind of a delayed reaction. Plus, some things happened at work today to really set me off further on another planet. One of the attorneys in my office was also there last night and we spent a good deal of today having a most amazing series of conversations about Joni. He was a lucky guy who got to go to the dinner party with Joni last night. His story is another book in itself, not so much about Joni, but rather, about the surprising and startling effect she had on him. I need to rest and reflect on this one a bit before I write more about it. I'm so glad to have you all here to share our experiences with. Debra asked: > Was anyone checking who came in? Did she seem to have any security around her? > How many people were in the room? She sounds amazingly gracious. Were the > paintings for sale? There was absolutely no apparent security and no one checked anyone coming in. But she did have her best friends Shel and Val surrounding her a good part of the time, with their arms around her most of the night. It was really touching to watch them - like they were protectively cuddling the most beloved person in their lives. I would say there were less than 100 people in the space. The paintings are not for sale. LACE is not a commercial gallery, but rather, an artists' "space" which holds many avant garde and cutting edge events. Like Doug expressed a few days ago, I did learn it was quite unusual for Joni to be exhibited there and I will tell more about that in my report about the attorney from my office, who used to be an art director in New York and who is a close friend of Amy Adler, the artist who curated Joni's event. Deb Messling wrote: >I'm struck by how warm and personable Joni is in these instances. The >press paints her as something of a cross between Norma Desmond and Attilla >the Hun. My impression of Joni is that she is a little bit of everything - I think she just puts it all out there. She definitely does have a certain bearing that I can see may be misinterpreted by the press or others who don't look too deep. Early in the evening she did seem somewhat serious and regal. But later on, out in the back smoking with her friends, she completely opened up and was talking about many personal subjects openly. She was very vulnerable and real. Maybe she, like many, puts up a little armor sometimes to shield her soft sensitivities. E.T. wrote: >I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT next Valentine's Day! Although some were saying the release date was Feb. 14th - Valentine's Day, Robbie told us it was coming out on Feb. 8th. I have to again express how unbelievable miraculous this album is. I know that some in the past expressed some disappointment that she was going to do cover songs rather than come up with new material. I'm happy to tell you that this project is over-the-top original in all aspects. So many artists have been doing these standards albums the last few years and most I've heard were really wonderful, but I assure you that this is something else and it has to be the Grand-daddy/mommy ;-) of all standards albums ever. It's HUGE. >Meanwhile I'd love to hear more about Joni's latest paintings. >BTW, anyone notice how much more VIVID her snow-landscape appears in the >PWWAM (during Facelift) than it does on the TTT sleeve? Eric, I think you are going to flip over them! And they did have the snow-landscape painting there last night. It is really amazing and extremely VIVID. I did not get to see it so up close at the tapings and was glad to really get up next to it last night. Scott wrote: >Even though I'm only a minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation >after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately >embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what >goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work I also felt this validation for all of us here. Any small doubts I may have had are all completely erased now. Her friends know us and she knows us and the feeling I got was that we are very much considered as this little special group that is a recognized and regarded part of her "family." When I handed her the Box Set, I felt a little insecure, like I had to do a good pitch to her so that she'd be sure and listen to it. So there I was like a little kid going "It's really good, Joni, the people are *really* good on it." She immediately exclaimed to me "oh, yeahhhh, oh yeahhhh, I *know* they are good!!" I wish I could convey her tone and attitude better in email, but trust me, she really meant it. Not only was she kind, open and warm to me, but so were her friends, and Robbie went out of his way to give us the special treatment once again. Sigh.....;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:44:44 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Christmas Music for the Grinchy and Scroogy (NJC) This thread has made me want to share a piece of music that saved me from complete Grinchdom last year. By the time Christmas rolled around, I think I pretty much radiated hostility towards everyone and thing that crossed my path. My husband was swamped with work and unable to help me prepare for the holiday, and on top of that, my in-laws, who don't really cook, announced that we were having the extended family Christmas Eve at our house, because they all agreed that I was a wonderful cook. I might have been glad that my husband had work (but wasn't), and I might have taken my in-laws announcement as a compliment, but instead interpreted it as convenient flattery and a load of work. So off I went to Albertsons (supermarket) to spend a mountain of money on a mountain of food which would take a mountain of work to prepare. Just as I was getting ready to turn off the engine and go into the market, a song came on the classical station that stopped me cold--Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker, performed by the LA Guitar Quartet. I have seen and heard the Nutcracker about one zillion times--enough to make me thoroughly sick of it (kind of like that Handel thing . . .) , but somehow hearing it on the guitar (four of them actually) made it completely new. All those familiar pieces shed their preciousness and that cloying tinge of sweetness and were imbued with energy and life and fun. I sat in the car for the next ten minutes or so, listening to the rest of the suite, and darned if it didn't make me downright happy. It also made me properly ashamed of my cranky self pity and realize that it was time to get over myself and be grateful for the abundance in my life. Amazing how a piece of music can do that for you. The cd is titled: Dances from Renaissance to Nutcracker by the L.A. Guitar Quartet, on the Delos label. I bought it from Amazon.com, where you can listen to samples. Trying to think good holiday thoughts for this year . . . Catherine T. in AZ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #543 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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