From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #539 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 539 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Favorite Christmas song ever (NJC) [catman ] Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC [catman ] Re: Christmas songs (NJC) [catman ] Gaudete (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] RE: favourite Christmas songs (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Favorite Christmas song ever (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Aimee Mann (NJC) [Jason Long ] Jason's page and DED [evian ] blossom dearie njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Favourite Christmas Songs NJC ["John Low" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:23:23 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) Okay, so now what's everybody's favorite Hanukkah song? I can only think of three: Rock of Ages, that one that goes Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel, and the Adam Sandler song (!) I guess I like Rock of Ages the best; the last line about tyrants disappearing always makes me tear up. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Today in Joni History 11/30 I have a tape that someone on the list sent me some time ago of Joni performing on PBS in Los Angeles on this date 11/30. Can anyone shed some more light on this appearence? What was the show, who else, etc.? Probably should be added into Les's "Today" project. On a bummer note, I accidently erased the first 30-40 seconds of her opening Chelsea Morning today. I have to remember to pop those tabs! gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:47:34 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Today 11/30 I think I neglected to mention the year. It was 1969. 11/30/69 PBS, LA, CA. sorry about that, gdave NP: 11/30/80 Grateful Dead Fox Theater, Atlanta, GA - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:09:23 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Today in Joni History 11/30 We've got a tape on the tape tree that has the same date but this one is from a PBS special (does the video exist?). It's from the Troubadour in LA and I doubt that Joni performed twice in one day, so the date is probably wrong. At 6:43 PM -0500 11/30/99, gr8fuldave wrote: >I have a tape that someone on the list sent me some time ago of Joni >performing on PBS in Los Angeles on this date 11/30. >Can anyone shed some more light on this appearence? What was the show, >who else, etc.? Probably should be added into Les's "Today" project. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:23:11 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC First off, I couldn't reply to the worst Christmas song list since I *love* all Christmas songs. There might be some which are performed better by certain artists, but they are all good songs to me. I even liked "The Little Drummer Boy" when sung by Bing Crosby and David Bowie. I still get chills when I hear "Christmas Time Is Here" when watching The Charlie Brown Christmas Special. I feel like my Dad is still alive when I hear Steve Lawrence & Edyie Gorme sing "Sleigh Ride" or Burl Ives singing "Have a Holly Jolly Christmas". I feel like a little kid when I hear "The Chipmunk Song", and I still can hear my Mother singing "All I Want for Christmas is My Two Front Teeth". I get such a good feeling thinking about my college fraternity serenading the sororities with "White Christmas" or "Joy to the World". To this day I get the biggest kick when my better half does his impersonation of Cher singing "Oh Holy Night" (the stars are brightly shioioioniun). To me they're all *great* songs, and they all reflect such happy Christmas memories!!! Jimmy (me I want a hoolahoop) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:25:39 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas song ever (NJC) If the Little Drummer Boy is the one Bowie and Crosby did, then I like it. I like the song tho not especially that version. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:28:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) Okay, I know it isn't a Carol but my favourite hymn is How Great Thou Art, followed by The Lord Is My Shepherd. Ialso enjoy Rock Of Ages (if it is the one I think) and also Amazing Grace. Deb Messling wrote: > Okay, so now what's everybody's favorite Hanukkah song? I can only think > of three: Rock of Ages, that one that goes Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel, and > the Adam Sandler song (!) > > I guess I like Rock of Ages the best; the last line about tyrants > disappearing always makes me tear up. > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~there are only three kinds of people: > those who can count, and those who can't. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Christmas songs (NJC) i also LOVE john and yoko doing "merry christmas" (i get shivers of joy when i hear "war is over / if you want it"...there are people who still believe this will all their hearts, right?) also bruce springsteen and the e street band on "santa claus is coming to town" (the only version of this song i can tolerate) AND, for a seasonal thing i've always gotten a few needed laughs from adam sandler's "the hanukkah song" - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:37:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC Carly wrote a Xmas song! The Night Before Xmas-it's on her cd This Is My Life(all from a ovie of the same name starring Julie Kavnar(Rhoda's sister)-a good film) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:40:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Christmas songs (NJC) > there are people who still believe > this will all their hearts, right?) Yes! But the years have shown that to many people the belief that being diferent equals being bad is more important than peace. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:43:45 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Gaudete (NJC) Anne Sandstrom wrote: >How could I forget "Gaudete" by Steeleye Span? (ok, so does anyone have the >lyrics to this? My pleasure, Anne! Gaudete Gaudete, gaudete Christus est natus Ex Maria virginae, gaudete. Tempus ad est gratiae hoc quod optabamus, Carmina laetitiae devote redamus. Deus homo factus est naturam erante, Mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante. Ezecheelis porta clausa per transitor Unde lux est orta sallus invenitor. Ergo nostra contio psallat jam in lustro, Benedicat domino sallus regi nostro. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:19:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: favourite Christmas songs (NJC) david! what album is that on?!?!?!?!?? desperately, wallyk > YEAH!! ALso...the Cocteau Twins' "Frosty the Snowman." > > --David > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:35:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Top Canadians of the millenium i've just voted for joni [that wasn't difficult. glenn gould spoiled his recordings by humming along as he played and that makes me VERY NERVOUS]. but i had a hard time choosing between alice munro and robertson davies in the writers category. i finally picked munro. for comedians i chose...who else... the kids in the hall, of course! viva canada! wallyk, canuck at heart - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Catherine McKay Para: ; Enviado: Martes 30 de Noviembre de 1999 17:57 Asunto: Re: Top Canadians of the millenium > I just voted (a couple of times). As of right now, the results are: > > Ranking Musician % of Total Vote > 1. Glenn Gould 18 % > 2. Neil Young 13 % > 3. Leonard Cohen 12 % > 4. Joni Mitchell 9 % > 5. Oscar Peterson 8 % > > Vote early - vote often. > > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:40:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: songbooks lordy! am i the only one that has zero mitchell songbooks? i thought people would e hopping up and down the streets with joy, writing home about wallyk's find. well, it looks like i'm going to have a lot of people xeroxing for ME instead. wallyk, NP: the gentleman is a dope, blossom dearie > > I've got the JM Songbooks vols 1 and 2, as well as For the Roses, Court and > Spark, and Wild Things Run Fast. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:47:46 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas Songs NJC In a message dated 11/30/99 7:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << To me they're all *great* songs, and they all reflect such happy Christmas memories!!! Jimmy (me I want a hoolahoop) >> you're a good man, jimmy. happy at heart. i loved the crosby/bowie tune as well. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:11:39 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Christmas song ever (NJC) For me it has to be Silent Night. The Melody is absolutely beautiful (about 9 potential harmony parts)and if one takes the time to listen to the words it is a very decriptive meaningful piece of music. Some of you may be anti-religious or atheistic or holistic or simply disdainful of religion in any form.I am not simply because no matter what you believe or do not believe, 2000 years ago a child was born to a simple carpenter and his wife. This simple child came to be feared by the most powerful person in the world and brought a philosophical discipline and belief to the people that has grown and lasted to this day. His death fulfilled hundreds if not thousands of years of prophecy. This song commemorates this persons coming unto this earth. They named all time after him (BC and AD). Worship a tree if you wish but when I hear this song I cant help but thjink of the significance of this event for all time. Peace my brothers and sisters. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:21:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) Deb Messling writes: > Okay, so now what's everybody's favorite Hanukkah song? I can only think > of three: Rock of Ages, that one that goes Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel, and > the Adam Sandler song (!) > > I guess I like Rock of Ages the best; the last line about tyrants > disappearing always makes me tear up. Peter Paul & Mary's 'Light One Candle' is a beautiful & powerful song that always makes me choke up. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:55:55 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: songbooks In a message dated 11/30/1999 8:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << lordy! am i the only one that has zero mitchell songbooks? i thought people would e hopping up and down the streets with joy, writing home about wallyk's find. well, it looks like i'm going to have a lot of people xeroxing for ME instead. wallyk, NP: the gentleman is a dope, blossom dearie >> i have every single one (I think) except for Dog Eat Dog. Some I have doubles, so if someone has an extra Dog Eat Dog songbook and would like to maybe trade email me privately! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:09:37 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: songbooks I hope for his sake that Richard Rodgers, who by all accounts hated jazz, never heard Blossom Dearie (or me) render his song "The Gentleman is a Dope." When a female singer tells me she's worried that all she knows are ballads, this is one of the first things I suggest (also when I'M worried that all she knows are ballads). Perfect medium tempo, minor-key groover for Coltrane or anyone inspired by him. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:11:33 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Favourite Christmas songs 2.0 (NJC) I haven't been following this discussion, but what the heck...has anyone mentioned my favorite, "Lo, How a Rose E'er Blooming?" D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:18:01 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas songs (NJC) In a message dated 11/30/1999 7:35:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ekg200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << i also LOVE john and yoko doing "merry christmas" (i get shivers of joy when i hear "war is over / if you want it"...there are people who still believe this will all their hearts, right?) >> I do too!! I also like some of the Jazzy musak versions of some of the carols. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:18:18 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: favorite Christmas songs (NJC) One of my all time favourite Christmas songs is Joni's River. It's such an honest song of how many people really feel at Christmas time, though not necessarily for the same reason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:41:13 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Aimee Mann (NJC) Azeem wrote: >NP: Til Tuesday - What about Love - That Aimee Mann: great singer, >wonderful songwriter, superb bass player. Last I heard, she was having >trouble getting her newest album released. Jill Sobule has had similar >difficulties. I see that Patti has already sent in an article about Aimee's new album and involvement with the Magnolia soundtrack, but being a huge fan of Aimee's music, I can't help but want to throw in my two pennies as well. First off, I must say, I really think Aimee's upcoming album will be her best yet. She did a short tour in the summer, at which she sold copies of a 7-song preview EP for _Bachelor No. 2_, while waiting to buy the masters for the full-length back from Interscope. While the EP only features rough versions of what will be on the actual release, to me, Aimee's music has never sounded better. The arrangements are a little more subtle than in the past, particularly compared to those on _I'm With Stupid_, and a few of the songs have Bacharach-like overtones to them. Lyrically, a lot of the songs examine familiar territory (more troubled relationship songs that can also double as missives toward the various labels she's worked with), but Aimee still manages to make them sound as fresh and interesting as ever. Songs like "Red Vines" and "Nothing Is Good Enough" rank up there with earlier material like "4th of July," "Coming Up Close," and "That's Just What You Are." Also, based on these songs, the new record seems like it less electric guitar-based than the last; Aimee is writing more ballads now and is working with more acoustic instrumentation. _Bachelor No. 2_ was supposed to be released on Aimee's own label before the end of the year, but the most recent word on Mannlist was that it won't be out until January now. However, Aimee does have nine songs on the soundtrack for Magnolia, which will be released next Tuesday by Reprise Records. The movie itself was inspired by the songs Aimee had been working on for _Bachelor No. 2_ that writer/director Paul Thomas Anderson had heard. According to a recent article in Billboard, he had wanted to adapt Aimee's music for the screen much like one would adapt a novel. The soundtrack is to feature three of the songs that will be on the solo disc ("Deathly," "You Do," and "Driving Sideways"), as well as an instrumental version of a fourth ("Nothing Is Good Enough"). Also included are a rare b-side ("Momentum"), a cover of "One" that Aimee recorded for a Harry Nilsson tribute album a few years ago (speaking of which, in the CD booklet for that release, there is a picture of Joni with Harry Nilsson at the Grammys -- does anyone know what year it might be from?), "Wise Up" (previously released on the Jerry Maguire soundtrack), and two exclusive songs, "Save Me" (which is to be the first single), and "Build That Wall." Apparently there's already talk of a potential Oscar nomination for "Save Me," which was written expressly for the film. If this does come to pass, maybe Aimee will finally receive the recognition she deserves. I don't know exactly to what extent it helped his sales, but when Elliott Smith was nominated a couple of years ago, it did seem to raise his profile substantially. Now that Aimee is going to start releasing her records herself, she will need all the exposure she can get. Also, while it's not updated often enough, a good place to look for news on Aimee is at her official website (http://www.aimeemann.com). Cheers, Jase NP: Kristin Hersh, _Sky Motel_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:03:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Jason's page and DED My dear listers, You all must check out Jason Maloney's web page, not only for his intricate lists his picks for top albums and singles for the 90's, but also for his WONDERFUL thoughts on DED... You have said everything I have wanted to say, but never have seemed to articulate. Well done Jase! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:23:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: blossom dearie njc oh david! do you hate blossom? she's a hoot! her french is SO horrible, but she's so charming. and her piano is nice too. i know she's very cocktail-lounge-ish, but i adore her. i guess i need a lot of education. wallyk, np: blossom dearie singing paul misraki's l'étang in berlitz french. extraordinarily incomprehensible but still... - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: CC: Enviado: Miércoles 1 de Diciembre de 1999 01:09 Asunto: Re: songbooks > I hope for his sake that Richard Rodgers, who by all accounts hated jazz, > never heard Blossom Dearie (or me) render his song "The Gentleman is a Dope." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:03:31 PST From: "John Low" Subject: RE: Favourite Christmas Songs NJC Jason wrote: >Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody >John Lennon - War Is Over (Happy Xmas)...both so firmly etched in my >mind >as a child, and virtually insperable from any associations I >have with >Christmas Mine too, Jason - at least the John Lennon song! And, also, I'm not ashamed to say that I love Rolf Harris singing "Six White Boomers". John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #539 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?