From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #536 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 30 1999 Volume 04 : Number 536 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ricky Martin NJC ["Kakki" ] Joni and Faye ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Great music - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Falafel - was Eating at MacDonalds - NJC [Martin Giles ] Im back NJC [Jamie Zubairi ] Today was Joni content day [Jamie Zubairi ] spelling correction [Roman ] Re: NJC Voilence against Women (now child abuse) [Bounced Message ] Joni-fest Box Set [FMYFL@aol.com] Re:Cup of Sugar from the Zappa's [Julian51469@aol.com] Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Ricky Martin NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Happy Days Off (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Ricky Martin NJC ["Kakki" ] Joni's paintings at LACE in LA [Andy Stancliffe ] Fwd: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA [Wolfebite@aol.com] NJC: Jennifer Kimball ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] holes in stockings ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA ["Kakki" ] Fwd: Message from JMDL main page [Les Irvin ] singing joni gig (SJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: NJC: Jennifer Kimball [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA ["Kakki" ] RE: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC E.T. wrote: > & WallyK. RM is from Puerto Rico (which is arguably too American but > none-the-less Latin). Why is the music of Gloria Estafan or Ricky Martin any > less Latin than those living south of the border? I think it's just as much Latin but there are distinct differences to my ears between, let's call it, the North American and South American Latin music. I can see why Wally maybe sees it as more of a hybridized, "American" or "Miami" sound compared to the music that comes out of South America. My personal preference would be to have the South American music the more popular of the two in the U.S. (simply because that's the music I'm crazy about), but that is not what is being pushed or played here. But even with Ricky being from Puerto Rico, I think he is more "Miami" than the Puerto Rican music I'm familiar with. Personally, I like the Miami sound and Gloria, too. Ricky's great, but when someone is soooo hyped as he has been, there is bound to be a backlash. I met a guy a few months back at a party who is originally from Cuba and who is on the Grammy Board for Latin American music. He claims to have known Ricky for many years, and also, by the way, Ricky's former girlfriend who is an actress on one of the soap operas (maybe General Hospital?). Anyway, he was enthusing about Ricky's success and also how Latin music is growing by leaps and bounds in popularity in the U.S. I was enthusing along with him about this and we were sympatico until I started enthusing about my beloved Brazilian music. He just looked at me like that category didn't "count" somehow and acted like I'd grouped two totally different genres together. I found this interesting and odd. Certainly, the fine South American artists should be included in the Latin music sector of Grammy consideration, right? I was left with the impression that the powers-that-be in the Grammy world may have some special-interest agendas as to who gets pushed and promoted. On a happier note for me, I've recently heard from two renowned musicians (Mr. Jon Hendricks being one) that they think Brazilian music is the most evolved and beautiful music on the planet ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:40:23 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Joni and Faye Hi all I was watching a movie on TV last night - "Albino Alligator" - pretty average on the whole, but I was struck once again by how much Faye Dunaway looks like our Joni - or vice versa, I'm not sure who's the oldest! Has anyone ever noticed/commented on this before, or do I need to get my eyes checked again? Helen NP - silence, ahhhh, blessed silence! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:53:51 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Great music - NJC It's me again - I haven't been around much lately. Busy at work, and busy at play, but I just had to share an evening I had last week, which restored my faith in live NZ music! A friend (who has his own band - just released a single) had been raving about this band he saw in a tiny bar in Ponsonby (the "cafe" district of Auckland) the Thursday before, so since I had the Friday off work, I thought "What the hell" and went with him. We arrived about 10.30, just as the band had finished their first set, and squeezed (literally) our way into the bar. They started playing again, and my only reaction is "WOW!!!" "WOW!!!" and "WOW!!!" and "WOW!!!" The band played a kind of jazz/blues combination, and turned simple songs into works of art. I've never heard "My Girl" played as jazz before, but it rocked! The played Gershwin, Bob Marley, Neville Brothers (and several others) but all in this wonderful jazz/blues improv style. There are five guys in the band. The vocalist (and sometime tambourinist!) has a voice like velvet and scotch (hopefully you know what I mean). The guitarist is Stevie Ray Vaughan reincarnated, crossed with Carlos Santana. Apparently he doesn't like to practice, so has a music sheet with the relevant chords for the songs he "doesn't know" - and boy, can he play! The drummer was incredible - a real jazz feel. The saxophonist (the drummer's son) was amazing too, but the guy who really blew me away was the keyboardist. He had that "Hammond" sound going, and was doing the Ray Manzarek thing with the left hand on the bass line. Every song lasted about 20 minutes, because they all had there own little 5-minute "solo" in EVERY song! At one stage the saxoophonist couldn't be bothered when it was his turn to come in, so he just nodded at the guitarist, and off he went! So I'm going back again this Thursday for another dose, and every week until they stop - it has completed restored my faith in the New Zealand music scene - these guys could hold their own anywhere in the world, I can guarantee it! I love finding music like this! Helen - still in awe (and still, unfortunately, hungover from a very heavy weekend - and it's Monday night, for God's sake!) _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:58:56 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Falafel - was Eating at MacDonalds - NJC I have driven by a couple of jewish diners in North London many times over the years. Looks like I'll have to go in and buy myself a falafel or two. Humus I know and love, my local supermarket does a very good pot of humus. I have a wonderful Greek recipe called Skordalia (sp?), which is mainly ground almonds, knit together with a little olive oil, with garlic, salt and lemon juice. The 'paste' is served with avocado pear, with a sprinkling of toasted sunflower seeds, (recipe available on request!) Catgirl said: >I love humus too which is > chick peas and garic and tahina paste and a little lemon. I love greek and > meditarainian food. Just don't know how to spell the word. Mediterranean is a word I could never spell, until my science fiction/fantasy reading days, where the Earth was usually referred to as Terra, and In the Lord Of The Rings the story was set in 'Middle Earth'. Suddenly it all fit together! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:36:40 -0300 From: "Intagliata" Subject: RE: NJC Neil Young's Harvest Moon >mariana, >you'll drop dead when you read this, but back in the early 70's there was a >place in san telmo called jazz&pop where joni is said to have played a >surprise set. i heard this from the club's owner, whose brain was totally >fried but then he may have been telling the truth. i certainly saw a picture >of joni playing at that place, way before computer tricks were available. >BUT you never can tell. it's one of the legends of the local music scene, >especially among jazz musicians over 50. joni had just been to brazil, so >it's not totally impossible. BUT you never can tell. [have i said that >already?] >wallyk WOW! You killed me with that one, Wally. Maybe the legend's true, we will have to ask Joni. A surprise set! Some people are really lucky. I'm getting tired of missing things. I have to be patient, I know. I got to see João Gilberto this year -I've been lucky too. Good things arrive to those who wait (that's for you, Marion). Mariana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:05:03 -0300 From: "Intagliata" Subject: RE: NJC Neil Young's Harvest Moon Elizabeth, "Harvest" was released in 1972, "Harvest Moon" was recorded twenty years later. They're both great Neil Young records. Mariana - -----Original Message----- De: Elizabeth Mackall-Plant Para: Intagliata Fecha: Sábado, 27 de Noviembre de 1999 07:40 a.m. Asunto: Re: NJC Neil Young's Harvest Moon >I thought it was just called HARVEST? >----- Original Message ----- >From: Intagliata >To: JMDL >Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 11:22 AM >Subject: NJC Neil Young's Harvest Moon > > >> >> De: Vince Lavieri >> Para: joni@smoe.org >> Fecha: Jueves, 25 de Noviembre de 1999 07:41 a.m. >> Asunto: harvest moon now JC >> >> >This whole thread has me confused: isn't Harvest Moon a marvelous album >> >by Neil Young? >> > >> >> >> Yes, it is. Harvest Moon was released in 1992 and it's really fantastic. >> Quiet Neil -no distorted guitars, no screaming. >> >> Mariana >> in Argentina > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:18:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC Eric responded: <> My bad, Eric - as usual I did a poor job of explaining myself clearly. Ricky is a talented guy to be sure, very charismatic, nice voice and all that. Kakki said it best I think, the poor guy was just so overhyped he's gonna fall prey to the "Hootie & The Blowfish" syndrome I'm afraid, and the folks who fell for him will turn to whoever becomes the latest media darling. But you're right, the only Martin I've heard is that one song one time, so I wasn't passing judgement on his talent, only the celebrity and fame that he's gonna have a hard time maintaining. But I hope I'm wrong for your sake, if you like his stuff... And even though I haven't heard his disc, I'll trade it anyday for the Cuban gem, "Buena Vista Social Club"! Bob NP: Elvis C.,"You Bowed Down" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:58:59 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC In a message dated 11/29/99 4:37:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << I was enthusing along with him about this and we were sympatico until I started enthusing about my beloved Brazilian music. He just looked at me like that category didn't "count" somehow and acted like I'd grouped two totally different genres together. >> i had the same situation happen in different curcumstances. it left me with the impression that latino lovers are not necessarily brazilian lovers. maybe it's like a blues / jazz thing. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:21:28 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: The MESSiah STILL SUX! NJC Well, Bob, like it or not you'll be forever linked with this particular opus. I even thought of you the other day when I heard a radio spot for the Boston Symphony's performance of what they called "one of Boston's longest running traditions." I figured you couldn't argue with the "longest running" part... ;-) anne p.s. take a kayak to the deserted isle - it's easier than swimming! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:22:40 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Im back NJC Dear Folks Just a quickie to let you know that I am back on the JMDL list! Can't wait for plans about the Euro Jonifest 2000. Will have to get moving onthat. Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:47:11 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Today was Joni content day Dear Folks Having returned from a long (13 hr) flight from Malaysia Saturday, I woke up this morning bright and early (5am) and waited about for the postman for my post. I knew something was going to turn up and it did! The Rock masterclass of DED that Bob Muller sent me arrived! Iwas so happy. Then I had to do things after listening to it. It's great. Then the second post came and lo and behold a strange package turned up for me. It was Joni's Jazz. Amazing. There was no note, I thought I had a mystery Joni Patron. Rob Jordan tendjewberrymud! havent heard it yet as I had to get to work. I'm so KNACKERED! I want my bed! Much Joni from a vbery tired still on Malaysian time Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:01:52 +0100 From: Roman Subject: spelling correction Sorry, I know, that should have been Rod STEWART (not Stuart). Gee I should have known that, I used to be a huge Faces fan - Saw Rod twice in concert and sold him a hairdryer for Alana once when I was working in Harrods, London. Tube - ---------- E-mail services powered by Pro.Net. Internet Provider - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:36:14 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: NJC Voilence against Women (now child abuse) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:52:14 -0500 From: Sue I read your post with great insight as I live in a state (Michigan) where "reunification" is just another political buzz word that translates into cheap. Reunification saves the state a bundle of money. Putting the child back in an un.stable home with limited outside support is much less expensive than having "said" child placed into foster care. My husband and I have taken in foster children for 11 years now and have seen our child welfare system change dramatically. We used to have this wonderful lieutentent governer named Connie Binsfeld who was the greatest child advocate. Unfortunately, the governor she ran with lost the election a few years back and things have been going downhill since. You wrote : I don't think we can cast a finger of guilt on the women's movement for not protecting children's rights. It only makes sense that their situtations must be strong before they can tackle the child welfare system. We must first look out for the parent, the care-giver. By providing the battered person the support that is needed we are protecting the child, in a sense. Just my 2¢ worth. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:39:18 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Happy Days Off (NJC) Susan McNamara sem8@cornell.edu wrot > I have four days off--now all I need are new strings!! Have you ever tried boiling your strings? I do this from time to time - it's definitely worth the effort, although boiled strings don't seem to last quite as long as new ones. From experience, it is not such a good idea to do it on the day of a gig. They seem to need a little longer to settle back in. I have a friend who swears by 'Fairy Liquid' - about 3 drops in a pan of boiling water - add wound up (old) strings and boil for about 5 minutes. Remove from pan, rinse and dry with a cloth. As much as we tease him about his boiled strings - [he is very organised about it, with several sets kept on regular rotation] - his bright 'Fairy Liquid' guitar sound is always being complimented on. PaulC PS I'm talking about steel strings, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:48:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni-fest Box Set I received my Joni-fest box set last week (thanks to Kayak Bob), and I enjoyed my 4 day weekend listening to the 4 CDs over and over. I am just blown away by the musical talents of the JMDL. Many of you should have been singing at Joni's Jazz instead of the performers that were scheduled. Thanks to Les, Paz & Chuck E. for making me feel as if I were there at Ashara's gathering. Thanks to all of you who sang and played your hearts out. I can't believe what wonderful voices you have. I plan on being in New Orleans for Memorial Day, but the only way I'll be singing is if they have Joni-fest in one BIG shower or bath tub :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:27:10 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re:Cup of Sugar from the Zappa's In a message dated 11/28/99 3:02:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, The Great and Wonderful Kakki writes: << and here's another Zappa connection - he lived just a few doors down from Joni ;-) >> Thanks for that - "I'm soooo there!" as they say. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:47:44 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) Well, after going to the first holiday concert of the season last night, I decided to come up with a list of 10 songs I would like to perform in an 'acoustic' holiday concert. As you can see, I prefere somewhat more obscure songs. here goes... I've enclosed the name of the artist who recorded the song in parentheses 1. A-soalin' (my absolute favorite Christmas song- Peter Paul & Mary) 2. Little Road to Bethlehem (Shawn Colvin) 3. In the Bleak Midwinter (Pierce Pettis) 4. Christmas Bells (John Gorka) 5. River (you know who - but check out Peter White's version too) 6. Lullay Lully (Barbara Higbie - does anyone have the lyrics to this?) 7. Winter Wind (Patty Larkin) 8. First Snow (me) 9. Silent Night, Lonely Night (me) 10. Father Christmas (Emerson, Lake & Palmer) ok, ok, maybe just one "Hallelujiah" chorus for Bob - who is fast turning into the Grinch, tapping his toes and waiting for this merciless season to end ;~) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:00:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: APB for Phyllis Ward NJC Phyllis, Please e-mail me back privately...I got your package and have some questions... Sorry to the rest of you! Bob NP: Elvis C., "Mouth Almighty" (Whew! Playing through this guy's catalog is a long endeavor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:39:44 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: WAS:Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM now NJC I've never been to Niagara Falls, but I have been to the Wells Gray Provincial Park in British Colombia where the Myrtle River does some pretty amazing falling! Helmcken Falls is the largest, with a drop greater than the CNN tower (CNN? - the big one in Toronto). The river is perhaps 30 metres across there and it drops into a beautiful canyon thats it's been carving out since the last ice age I guess. By the time that I saw these falls, I'd been traveling around BC and Alberta with a friend for about 10 days and I thought we'd seen all the amazing vistas that we were going to see. We came out of the trees and suddenly saw the falls. We stood, tranfixed for a couple of minutes. Eventually my friend turned to me and said, "Have you SEEN that, over there??" Also not to be missed in the 'park' (which is about the size of Wales I should think), is Spahats falls, right at the back of a pretty little campsite in the woods, and another that I can't think of the name of, which you can get right up to the edge of as it thunders over a drop. Colin's story about wanting to follow the water over the edge, really strikes a chord with me when I think about how I felt as we sat beside that one. There was an overwhelming sense of power and motion and mass. Incredible. atb, Martin in London. Who has the urge for going again! Catherine McKay wrote: > (Canadians tend to say)..we've got the GOOD > falls, they get the crappy side with the rocks all falling down. Actually, > I took my kids there in the summer and they made the same comment - "HaHa. > The good falls are in Canada, the Americans get the lousy ones". I told > them to watch what they say - actually the American side is pretty too in > its own way. And Catman told of his travels... > I drove to Niagra Falls in 97. My first thought was how small it was! I expected > something much bigger. I had got it confused with victoria Falls in Africa. > Niagra sounds African to me. > Anyway, the Candaian falls were stunning in their power. I stood mesmerised by > it and said the the woman next to me, an american lawyer, 'it makes you want to > go with it doesn't it?' To which she repplied'thank God you said that-I thought > there was something wrong with me!' I knew just what she meant. niether of us > wanted to die but both of us wanted to jump into the water and go over the > falls. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:40:06 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) Anne, The Barbara Higbie tune "Lullay Lully" also is called "Coventry Carol." It's in most Christmas collections and is all over the lyric/chord pages of the Internet. If you can't find lyrics, e-mail me privately. In response to your list, having been doing Christmas shows since November 10, I thought I'd add my favorite Christmas carol list for this year, subject to change, of course: 1. Mary Did You Know? (Kathy Mattea) 2. River (Joni) 3. First Noel (Dolly Parton, a lovely, lovely version) 4. The Angel Gabriel (Sting, from A Very Merry Christmas collection) 5. O Come, O Come Emmanuel (David Lanz) 6. Father Christmas (Emerson, Lake and Palmer) 7. Snow (Nightnoise) 8. Santa Claus Is Coming to Town (Cyndi Lauper and Frank Sinatra) 9. Winter Wonderland (Annie Lennox) 10. Santa Baby (Madonna, she boils on this version) 11. Do You Hear What I Hear? (me) George Winston's "Winter Solstice" is still the all-ranking album collection. A-Soalin' would be a favorite, but Peter, Paul & Mary's bad habit of recording centuries-old folk songs and claiming credit for writing them just annoys the hell out of me. I can see copywriting an arrangement or specialized lyrics like most of us folk musicians do, but the "Hey Ho" song is right out of the folk books, and PP&M claim full credit for it. They also claimed writing credits for "All the Pretty Little Ponies" and several other traditional tunes. It would be like one of us recording "River," changing a word or two then claiming we wrote it. Regards, and happy holidays in advance (way in advance, considering), Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: Anne Sandstrom [mailto:asandstrom@allaire.com] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:48 PM To: 'joni@smoe.org' Subject: Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) Well, after going to the first holiday concert of the season last night, I decided to come up with a list of 10 songs I would like to perform in an 'acoustic' holiday concert. As you can see, I prefere somewhat more obscure songs. here goes... I've enclosed the name of the artist who recorded the song in parentheses 1. A-soalin' (my absolute favorite Christmas song- Peter Paul & Mary) 2. Little Road to Bethlehem (Shawn Colvin) 3. In the Bleak Midwinter (Pierce Pettis) 4. Christmas Bells (John Gorka) 5. River (you know who - but check out Peter White's version too) 6. Lullay Lully (Barbara Higbie - does anyone have the lyrics to this?) 7. Winter Wind (Patty Larkin) 8. First Snow (me) 9. Silent Night, Lonely Night (me) 10. Father Christmas (Emerson, Lake & Palmer) ok, ok, maybe just one "Hallelujiah" chorus for Bob - who is fast turning into the Grinch, tapping his toes and waiting for this merciless season to end ;~) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:56:18 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) While we're at it, Anne, why don't we list our least favorite? 1. Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time (Paul McCartney's abomination) 2. Silent Night (Stevie Nicks really missed on this one) 3. Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer (Patsy and Elmo who?) 4. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas (Gloria Estefan) 5. Every other Christmas carol by Gloria Estefan 6. Holly Jolly Christmas (Burl Ives) 7. Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time (Paul McCartney) 8. Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time (Paul McCartney) 9. Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time (Paul McCartney) 10. Simply Having A Wonderful Christmas Time (Paul McCartney) Unusually critical, but no less sarcastic, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:57:47 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) Louis Lynch wrote: > George Winston's "Winter Solstice" is still the all-ranking album > collection. 'Tis mine, also. I just got his Seasons DVD. Very nice. Also faves: Streisand's Christmas album Joan Baez Noel A Charlie Brown Christmas Patti LaBelle This Christmas The Roches' Christmas Album Maureen McGovern's Christmas Album The Muppets and John Denver Christmas Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Louis Lynch wrote: > While we're at it, Anne, why don't we list our least favorite? "The Little Drummer Boy"! Performed by anybody!! - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:47:18 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) ok, I'll add The Twelve Days of Christmas sung by any number of prepubescent individuals in the back seat of any vehicle (or by anyone anywhere, actually) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:23:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Paintings Exhibit in Hollywood! YOWSA! Thanks to Steve Dulson (who emailed Ken and me this a.m. wanting to know if he was dreaming he read this in the L.A. Times yesterday ;-) It's true, it's true - Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions (LACE) will we exhibiting 12 of Joni's paintings starting this Wednesday night, December 1st. The exhibit opens at 6:00 p.m. and there will be a reception until 8:00 p.m.which is open to the public. The exhibit continues through December 23rd. The gallery is open Wednesdays through Saturdays, Noon until 6:00 p.m. (This Wednesday will be the only night they are open until 8:00 p.m.) I just spoke to someone at LACE and she said the paintings are "some of her album covers, and some landscapes and stuff." The address is 6522 Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood, CA. The phone number is (323) 957-1777. Hmmm, this Wednesday evening Graham Nash is doing his annual Christmas concert across the street from me at the Watercourt, but, ahem, I think I may have a conflict in my schedule that night ;-) Kakki NP: Joni live in Philly 1967 - Melody in Your Name (THANKS BOB!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:34:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) Anne encores with: <> The "Hallelujah Chorus" itself is magnificent! And "For Unto Us A Child Is Born" is also tolerable. But the rest of it is dreck... And I appreciate your reminder about me being a Grinch - I know you were kidding, but Christmas (or I should say the way we've let Madison Ave. ruin it)sort of pisses me off. I've been taking this course called "Unplug The Christmas Machine" based on a best-selling book. What I'm trying to do is keep Christmas sacred, but it's very tough to do. The result is that all the commercialism, which is unavoidable, is making me be more negative about the season than I'd like to be. So anyway, I'll try to be less "Grinch/Scrooge-like"...hopefully the folks that I've shared Joni music with would consider me a generous person. And a PS: I've had several folks send me private messages telling me that they also detest the long, drawn-out full-blown Messiah, so I don't mind taking my lumps from the list! :~D Bob NP: James Cotton, "worried life blues" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:36:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC > On a happier note for me, I've recently heard from two renowned musicians > (Mr. Jon Hendricks being one) that they think Brazilian music is the most > evolved and beautiful music on the planet ;-D > > Kakki Hard to disagree. In a perfect world Caetano Veloso et al would be all over the place and people would be saying Ricky who? IMO. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:42:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Happy Days Off (NJC) Paul Castle wrote: > > > Have you ever tried boiling your strings? I do this from time to time - > it's definitely worth the effort, although boiled strings don't seem to > last quite as long as new ones. > I used to know some jazz guys that boiled their strings. But who would want to eat out of that pan after that? RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:02:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Ricky Martin NJC > i had the same situation happen in different curcumstances. it left me with > the impression that latino lovers are not necessarily brazilian lovers. > maybe it's like a blues / jazz thing. pat I think you are right, Pat. And it's probably really not fair to classify it all as "Latin music" just because it comes from a predominately Latin country. It's too bad that the Grammys cannot encompass all the distinct genres and have to group them all in to "Latin" or "World" music categories. Incan indian music from Peru certainly does not sound like Brazilian music and Caribbean music is distinct from its' Brazilian and African cousins. Even within the broad category of "Brazilian music" there are multitudes of different distinct music genres. It was probably hasty for me to assume that the Grammy guy was dismissing South American music - it's probably much more complicated than that. Kakki NP: Joni - Nathan La Franeer live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:03:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA This might have already been posted, so excuse me if you've already seen, but this news from the LA Weekly might be of interest to JMDLers in the Los Angeles area: TRI-ANNUALE (Part 2): Amy Adler Curates Joni Mitchell, 12 paintings, mostly portraits and landscapes, by the singer/songwriter who’s often done her own album-cover art. Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions, 6522 Hollywood Blvd.; Dec. 1-23. Reception Wed., Dec. 1, 6-8 p.m. (323) 957-1777. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:02:15 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Voilence against Women (now child abuse) I wrote: And Sue replied: I don't think we can cast a finger of guilt on the women's movement for not protecting children's rights. It only makes sense that their situtations must be strong before they can tackle the child welfare system. We must first look out for the parent, the care-giver. By providing the battered person the support that is needed we are protecting the child, in a sense. << I don't think we can cast a finger of guilt on the women's movement for not protecting children's rights. It only makes sense that their situtations must be strong before they can tackle the child welfare system. We must first look out for the parent, the care-giver. By providing the battered person the support that is needed we are protecting the child, in a sense. >> Sue, I really appreciate your thoughts. I should clarify what I meant: I know several people who have worked in women's shelters in the state of Massachusetts. I myself have been a volunteer. I didn't mean to criticize the women's movement for not tackling the child welfare system. What I meant to say was that within their own movement, there are many who feel that it has only recently begun to give adequate attention to children who come into shelter with their mothers. There have been insufficient services such as counseling and preschool and health services for children in shelter. I didn't mean to put the burden squarely on the shoulders of the women's movement per se but the shelter movement specifically. My opinion is based, as I said, on conversations with both shelter advocates and women who have been in shelter as victims of domestic violence in the community where I live and work. And yes, I strongly agree that the child is protected along with the mother but services in the areas of resource and referral, age-appropriate playgroups and health care, as examples, need to be strengthened. The concept of shelter for victims of domestic violence is a relatively new one and the bugs are still being worked out. In Massachusetts, our shelters are improving yearly on many levels, including being more sensitive to the needs of women of color. It's a movement that has come a long way very quickly and one that responds well to feedback from its own members as well as the women it strives to serve. It is a movement I respect highly but in some ways it's also one that has tended, at least from my experience, to be a bit too narrow in its focus. I see from talking with other human service professionals in my community that this is changing and I am glad to hear of it. By the way, a standing ovation to you for opening up your home and your heart to children in need of a safe place. I agree completely with you when you react to "reunification" as a cost effective measure. There is so much wrong with the picture here in Massachusetts and the results are often very sad and discouraging. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:07:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: TTT Title I don't remember if this was brought up at the time of TTT's release (heck, I can't even remember what I read in the Times yesterday :) ) but I came across this listing in the bibliography of the book Roadster (a wonderful read if you're a car nut): Rybczynski, Witold, 1983. Taming The Tiger: The Struggle To Control Technology. New York: Penguin Books. A possible source for the title phrase??? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:23:33 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA - --part1_0.48458367.257464f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow- and old friend of mine is the director of LACE. seems out of the ordinary for their programing- is it a solo show or group show? doug - --part1_0.48458367.257464f5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:05:40 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v65.4) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:05:30 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16741; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id RAA23432; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:03:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id RAA23385 for joni-outgoing; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ebi.library.ucla.edu (ebi.library.ucla.edu [164.67.42.5]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id RAA23368 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from yrl-s-acq905.library.ucla.edu (host-a4431053.library.ucla.edu [164.67.16.83]) by ebi.library.ucla.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05171 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Stancliffe To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:03:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by smoe.org id RAA23371 Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: Andy Stancliffe Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by chmls05.mediaone.net id RAA16741 This might have already been posted, so excuse me if you've already=20 seen, but this news from the LA Weekly might be of interest to JMDLers=20 in the Los Angeles area: TRI-ANNUALE (Part 2): Amy Adler Curates Joni Mitchell, 12 paintings, mostly portraits and landscapes, by the singer/songwriter who=92s often done her own album-cover art. Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions, 6522 Hollywood Blvd.; Dec. 1-23. Reception Wed., Dec. 1, 6-8 p.m. (323) 957-1777.=20 Andy=20 - --part1_0.48458367.257464f5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:45:35 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: NJC: Jennifer Kimball Barbara and I caught a Jennifer Kimball performance Saturday at Passim in Cambridge and it was totally amaaaazing! Forgive me if I've posted about her too often but driven by this last experience of her music I find I must drop yet another recommendation to you guys. Jennifer was the 'other half' of The Story along with the frequently-mentioned-here Jonatha Brooke. The Story had two wonderful albums out and were basically abandoned by their record company right at the moment of significant national impact. The Story albums I'll characterize as thoroughly original, literate, evocative, moving, artfully produced and performed, and just overall brilliant. As I would characterize Jonatha's solo efforts. That JK was second banana, the harmony person, and not the writer (and a natural keyboardist) meant her own first solo effort would take some time, which time she took to learn guitar and some other wacky stringed instruments, tour behind other people like Patty Larkin, and wait to see it she had an original songwriter album in her. Her first solo album indicated to me that she had it all the time: "Veering From the Wave" it's called. I think anyone who appreciates way-original voicings and unexpected melodlc twists but doesn't mind great hooks and just great singing along with angel choir arrangements will appreciate this album a lot. She has a website that seems to have significant problems, but there are samples if they seem to work for you and your browser. I couldn't even get her text to load properly. She is www.jenniferkimball.com. She appeared at Passim with Marc Schulman on electric guitar (who is on the CD and also did her recent east coast tour, and a backup singer whose name I've forgotten. (Chris Densmore or something?) She did most of her album, two new tunes, and a cover of Brian Wilson' s 'God Only Knows' which generated a sweet audience sing-along. Passim continues to be a great small folk venue altho it has become a non-profit now which relies partly on memberships and lately a music school to stay afloat in the incredibly pricey ground zero Harvard Square location on Palmer Street. Long may they wave. np: Charlie Hayden and Metheny - beyond the Missouri Sky Chuck E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:41:08 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: holes in stockings Allow me to cast this thought out to the list: Just another "moment of clarity" when yet one more of Joni's lyrics fit into place for me. I had my CD player full of 5 Joni CDs playing in "random mode" and caught "All I want" and "Help Me" one after another. In each song there is a vivid imagery of her wearing ripped stockings and having a good old time. Could this be the same fond memory she likes to recall in these songs or is it commonplace for Joni to dance around with ripped panty hose? - -Jenny n.p. Indigo Girls Shaming of the Sun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:29:40 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) << ok, I'll add The Twelve Days of Christmas sung by any number of prepubescent individuals in the back seat of any vehicle (or by anyone anywhere, actually) Oh ho ho ho! Ann! Remind me to have you ride in a separate car if you go anywhere with me and the fam: the Twelve Daze of Christmas is a holiday favorite of the not-to-be-publicly-acknowledged-on-this-list daughter of mine. Signe loves to arrange sing alongs of this song and gets annually annoyed at my many, (and goshdarnit funny), ad libs to the verses and running satirical commentaries. The kids and assorted members of their entourage beat that tune into the ground while we were stuck in Napa traffic over Thanksgiving. Now for the BEST Christmas Carol, it's gotta be the live version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," done by Bruuuuuuuuuuuce Springsteen and the E Street Band. Another sweet Christmas song, although not really a carol, is Jackson Browne's "The Rebel Jesus." Sweet tune, good thoughts. MG np: Jackson Browne, "The Rebel Jesus" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:51:25 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA > wow- and old friend of mine is the director of LACE. seems out of the > ordinary for their programing- is it a solo show or group show? > > doug Doug, Maybe now is a good time for you to pay a visit to your old friend ;-) From my impressions it sounds like it is a solo show. The woman I spoke with on the phone also seemed to be barely containing her excitement about this exhibit and even mentioned that "they are installing the paintings right now!" I imagine this is quite a nice coup for them (and for us!) - to my knowledge Joni has rarely exhibited in L.A. - the few shows I've heard of over the years have been mostly private affairs. Even though I probably saw most, if not all of the paintings at the PWWAM tapings, I would not miss this for the world. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:55:37 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Fwd: Message from JMDL main page Hi Joniphiles - I received this message from the website today. Thought I'd open it up for all to respond to. Thanks, Les NP - Mary Gauthier "Drag Queens in Limousines" >From: "Goldstein Family" >Subject: Message from JMDL main page >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:08:40 -0500 > >I was wondering if you could help me. I am writing a paper on the >reflection of opinions/concerns of the times in music lyrics. If you could >send me a list of some Joni Mitchell songs which are most reflecrive of >their times I would be very greatful. Thank you very much. > Sincerely, > Michael Goldstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:53:12 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: singing joni gig (SJC) From: "Takats, Angela" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:39:25 +1100 Hey guys, Thanks so much for your kind emails regarding my first solo performance of joni's detuned songs. I think I did really (except for some obvious fumbling around the fret board) The response from the crowd was wonderful .. especially after BYT (predictable!) I got lots of cheers and comments ... the other guy that was performing has offered to record some of my originals at his studio which is exciting....it's nice when people pay attention to original material! Anyway...I'm definately going to make it something I keep on doing...wish I got paid, or at least a free meal...but just having people sit and listen to me, rather than singing to my bed, is so lovely... Talk to y'all later Ange singing in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:41:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Jennifer Kimball Chuck, Thanks for the great JK review...I missed her when she played a little coffeehouse here in town, dammit! Bob NP: Matthew Sweet, "I Should Have Never Let You Know" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:36:39 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA In a message dated 11/29/1999 9:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Even though I probably saw most, if not all of the paintings at the PWWAM tapings, I would not miss this for the world. >> Kakki, Do you think Joni will be at the opening? You lucky duck! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:11:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's paintings at LACE in LA > Do you think Joni will be at the opening? You lucky duck! > Terry Terry, I have no idea - somehow, I don't think that she'd show for a public opening - it would be too much to dream if she did! But I want to be there for Les Grande unveiling - it should be special either way. I seem to recall that David Geffen has contributed a big chunk to LACE, along with his other large contributions to the arts in L.A. Does anyone know more about this? It looks like a few of us will be there Wednesday night. Anyone who wants to meet up, please let me know. LACE is conveniently located just down the block from Les Deux Cafes so perhaps we can also stop in for a nightcap afterward ;-) Kakki NP: Night Ride Home - Swedish tribute band - A Bird That Whistles (Excellent!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:54:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) I SO SO SO AGREE ON THIS. [sorry for yelling.] wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: David Wright Para: Enviado: Lunes 29 de Noviembre de 1999 17:13 Asunto: Re: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) > On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Louis Lynch wrote: > > While we're at it, Anne, why don't we list our least favorite? > > "The Little Drummer Boy"! Performed by anybody!! > > --David > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:55:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) oh but colin had a wonderful joke about this song. colin, how did it go?!?!?!?! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Anne Sandstrom Para: 'Louis Lynch' ; Anne Sandstrom ; Enviado: Lunes 29 de Noviembre de 1999 17:47 Asunto: RE: How about a WORST Christmas Carol list? (NJC) > ok, I'll add The Twelve Days of Christmas sung by any number of prepubescent > individuals in the back seat of any vehicle (or by anyone anywhere, > actually) > > Anne > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:05:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Christmas music - yet another list (NJC) sorry but i can't let bob take all the potshots. let there be no mistaking: i am the biggest messiah hater on earth. even the "Hallelujah" gives the creeps. and if you want to be further horrified, be advised that i detest almost all pre-wagner music. there are exceptions, of course. perotin, von bingen, old folksongs from the british isles. most of the rest...hardly my cup of tea. wallyk > > And a PS: I've had several folks send me private messages telling me that they also detest the long, drawn-out full-blown Messiah, so I don't mind taking my lumps from the list! :~D > > Bob > > NP: James Cotton, "worried life blues" > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #536 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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