From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #532 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, November 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 532 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- PWWAM & Thanks ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: harvest moon NJC [M.Russell@iaea.org] James Taylor final night (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] NJC Voilence against Women [catman ] Re:Harvest Moon NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] harvest moon now JC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC: more STUFFing pahleeze ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: PWWAM & Thanks ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: James Taylor final night (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: harvest moon NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: harvest moon NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The Homebuyer's Checklist ... NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) ["Vadim Litvin" ] Freebo & John Hall Update! ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: NJC Voilence against Women [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC Voilence against Women [catman ] Re: Eating at MacDonalds - was Cher, good?? NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: PWWAM & Thanks ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG ["Wally Kairuz" ] jonifest box #2 njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Moon Meanings- NJC January! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Moon Meanings- NJC January! ["gene mock" ] Re: Moon Meanings- NJC January! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:43:52 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: PWWAM & Thanks Tonight I watched my DVD of Painting With Words & Music for the first time. I saw the pay per view when it first aired but tonight was the first time since I got the DVD that I had a chance to sit down & give it my undivided attention. Travis is at work and I don't have to work tomorrow so it seemed to be the perfect thing for me to do for myself tonight. After seeing Joni at the Gorge it struck me what a difference there seemed to be in her demeanor in this intimate setting. She smiled a lot and seemed much more at ease. Not that Joni can't play to a large crowd. But she seems much more comfortable in a more intimate setting. It was almost as if she had created an atmosphere that was akin to those coffee houses she played in the beginning of her career. All of this video is wonderful but I was particularly struck by her performance of Amelia. I was reminded of her comments about recording the album Blue. She said that she felt like the cellophane on a pack of cigarettes, her feelings were so close to the surface and so clearly evident. She looked like that when she was singing Amelia. It struck me that not only is she a creative genius, she is also an incredibly gifted performer. Like a great actress she opens herself up and reveals her soul. She further illuminates her already luminous creations every time she performs them. This must have been what Pat Boland saw in that coffee house all those years ago. It's easy to see why you were bowled over by her, Pat, and easy to see why it's so easy to fall hook, line & sinker for Joni Mitchell. Part of the pleasure I got from watching PWWAM tonight was seeing a radiant Wally Breese behind Joni, smiling & looking like he had reached Nirvana. I have many things in my life to be thankful for, not the least of them being the friends I have made here in JMDL-land. The list has brought some wonderful people, music and experiences into my life. I certainly thank Les for creating & maintaining the discussion list but I also have to thank Wally. His beautiful homepage was the beginning of it all. We're all here because of Joni & because of Wally's devotion to Joni's art. So on Thanksgiving Day 1999 here in good old God-Save-America, I give thanks for all of you wonderful people out there in Joni-land and especially for Les Irvin and Wally Breese. Here's wishing all American listers a wonderful holiday and to all of you all over this little garden planet, I am grateful that you all are a part of my life. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:54:10 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: harvest moon NJC On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:53:59 -0700 "Brett Code" wrote: > The moon was extraordinary here in western > Canada last night as well. But it definitely > wasn't a harvest moon - not big and orange > and friendly....Last night's moon was a classic > winter moon - crystal clear, stark, piercingly > bright ..... Harvest moons are nice, but winter > moons are magical. If you could set up a reference point in your backyard to mark where the moon rises during harvest moon (roughly autumn equinox), you would find that as the days progressed towards the winter solistice, the moon would rise farther and farther north. Then, after winter solistice, it would begin to rise more and more towards the harvest moon point until roughly the spring equinox then as the days progressed to summer solstice it would rise more and more south of that point and then after summer solstice it would return to the harvest moon point. The moon is very high (higher overhead than in summer) and bright and beautiful in a northern hemisphere winter sky. The southern hemisphere has exactly the opposite situation. It's really hard to explain this, and difficult to understand, without drawing pictures of the earth rotating around the sun, though. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:59:34 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: James Taylor final night (NJC) Finally, I experienced something this year that equaled getting to see Joni Mitchell perform on her birthday last year. I would have to say that this was the most magical show I have ever been to. James' voice sounded better than I had ever heard...it was truly dreamlike on account of all the flutes, and cellos, and oboes and his mixture of jazz standards meshed perfectly with his original tunes. For the last three or four songs, I found some empty seats in the second row and I was completely overwhelmed but in a good way. I experienced this sinking sensation like I suddenly became very heavy and was sinking into the ground. I have never been more mesmerized by someone's presence(besides Joni). His voice conveys so much and he took these songs that I had heard dozens of times and made them sound as if I had never heard them before and they were existing in that very moment alone, just completely surrounded by his voice, completely tuned in to him alone, not aware of anything else but the words that were issuing out, filling up every space, every thought, and every dream I had. "Good night you moonlight ladies, Rockabye sweet baby James. Deep greens and blues are the colors I choose, Won't you let me go down in my dreams, And rockabye sweet baby James" happy thanksgiving everyone! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:02:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC Voilence against Women Today is International Day Against Violence Towards Women. In this country 1 woman is killed evry three days by her current or ex partner. I have never heard of such a campaign or day set aside to protest violence against children. Does one exist? - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:41:19 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:Harvest Moon NJC Last night I wrote: <> Well, this morning during breakfast, my one dog started barking and when I followed her to the living room, I found my other dog on her side having a seizure. It was a mild one and she's fine now, but contrary to what my veterinarian says, the full moon *does* have a profound effect on animals (and people) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:39:30 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: harvest moon now JC This whole thread has me confused: isn't Harvest Moon a marvelous album by Neil Young? And a blessed Thanksgiving to Wally Breese, Les Irvin, and all the JMDL pioneers who had this thing all ready for me to join a year ago (after seeing Joni in Chicago) and all the JMDLers who have become my cyber family and my second home, a place that I go to daily for something worthwhile and meaningful. There is no way that I list everyone who has made a special contribution to my year in the JMDL as I would invariably leave someone out (but MG, thanks for cds, Kate in Colorado, how are you, Bob, learn to love Handel's Messiah) but let me share one magical thing about the JMDL that shows the grace that is here: this will perhaps embarrass Marcel, but Janis is singing "Try" write now and that makes me think it will be alright: Marcel and I really had some words last spring and enough said about that. It was bitter, if anyone remembers. The passage of a little time... the fact we both stayed on the JMDL and keep on posting and learning more about each other... the commonality, the community that we have in the music of Joni Mitchell which appeals to our better selves... and then I posted a little tidbit about Janis Joplin (the other love of my life) and he emailed me privately back and we had this whole new connection and his sharing some things privately with me about Janis that were deeply moving and incredible to me... one of the things that I am most thankful for today as I play my new boxed set (Box of Pearls) is the sharing that Marcel did with me this fall. Who would have thought that he and I would ever talk to each other after last spring? Time keeps moving on, Janis says, but friends don't always pass away, sometimes we suddenly see the friend in a person where we hadn't looked before. I offer that if there is anyone else in here who really can't understand how that some other person, whoever it is, can possibly be a Joni fan, or what that person is about, give it time and keep listening and learning... somewhere in our vast Joni connectedness, in time, that one turn of the kaleidoscope will happen when suddenly you see the pattern that has been hidden! And then you say, I see it, this is what we share, this is where we connect! Quick judgments formed in moments of passionate exchanges of postings aren't always Truth. What I am writing is not something that maybe can be called the truth, I wouldn't go that far, I wouldn't heavy up on anybody like that ... Thanks Wally B and Les, thanks to our three JMDL trinity of goddesses in human form, Catgirl, Kakki, and Ashara, thanks to MC DJ Bob of SC, thanks to everyone who has been, is, and will be my JMDL friend, thanks to Marcel for the piece of my heart that you touched with sharing about the Kosmic Blues, thanks to the JoniFest people who posted their pictures and recorded their music so those of us who couldn't be there could touch you in spirit in those ways, thanks to those who I am naming in my heart as I am so afraid of listing names and forgetting someone who has been special to me this last year, (but I must say to Kate, we have a picnic lunch date with the Lane Tech bag coming up someday), thanks to all of you who have made this the only place that I know of anywhere where people can be gay or straight or anywhere in between and it just doesn't matter, thanks to the JMDL which practices more acceptance than the gay forums that I belong to, more love than than the church forums that I belong to, more community with our far-flung family than in any international chat room, and more joy than can be contained in any bandwidth, thanks to Joni... for doing what she does that inspires all this in us... and to you too, Janis. (the Rev) Vince np: Janis, "Maybe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:44:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) Let me rephrase that for ya, pardner. Yer darn tootin' - the song is "over the top" to begin with an' it's about as subtle as a heifer in heat. It's a great song to listen to when you're drinkin' an' howlin' at the harvest moon! >From: Don Rowe >To: Catherine McKay >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:22:00 -0800 (PST) > > > I loved "It's a heartache". "Total eclipse of the > > heart" was, how shall I > > say, uh, kinda, sorta, maybe just a little over the > > top. > > > >Whoa there Tex! Don't be baggin' on "Total Eclipse" >around these parts -- Bonnie belts plain and simple, >and even if it is "a litle over the top" -- that's >just where the tune ought to be -- definitely a case >where more was more! > >Don Rowe > Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:19:51 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: more STUFFing pahleeze Julie writes: >Went to see Tim Burton's "The Legend of Sleepy >whatchamacallit...." I >don't think that there is any other >director but Burton---who's >fingerprints are readily identifiable in >every single tiny aspect of each >and everyone of his movies. I'm so glad to hear some positive feedback about this film. I haven't seen it yet, but want to, ever since I saw a trailer for it at some other movie I saw a few months ago. I love Tim Burton's stuff (except maybe for Batman, although I believe he captured the "darkness" of it, but I'm not a major Bat-fan - I'll be honest enough to admit I liked the 60s TV show better for its silliness and that this probably prejudiced me.) Critics here have been giving it lukewarm reviews and I'm not sure about the casting of Christina Ricci. Isn't she a bit young? I do want to see this one though. Do you think it would be safe to take my 12-yr old daughter? She wants to see it, but I've noticed the ads say it's not recommended for people under 14. I gather it's quite gross but, like you, I find "period" grossness easier to handle for some reason than the bang-bang shoot'em-dead-with-Uzis'n'bombs kind of film (although there's something about Arnie... Loved those Terminator films.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:23:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: PWWAM & Thanks Mark says: >Part of the pleasure I got from watching PWWAM tonight was seeing a >radiant Wally Breese behind Joni, smiling & looking like he had >reached Nirvana. I didn't realize you could see Wally. Where was he sitting and do you remember what songs Joni was singing when Wally could be seen? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:28:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: James Taylor final night (NJC) Victor says: >Finally, I experienced something this year that equaled getting to >see >Joni Mitchell perform on her birthday last year. I would have >to say that >this was the most magical show I have ever been to. >James' voice sounded >better than I had ever heard...it was truly >dreamlike on account of all >the flutes, and cellos, and oboes and >his mixture of jazz standards meshed >perfectly with his original >tunes. JT's scheduled Toronto appearance was cancelled because the Toronto Symphany was - and still is - on strike. I feel so sorry for these musicians. No one appreciates them enough to pay them a fair wage. They haven't had a raise in a long time. And most people don't even notice they're on strike. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:40:09 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: (no subject) > Tony.Wyer@wyer.force9.co.uk> wrote on the Subject: Jan Garbarek >Have always held the view that Larry Klein wrecked Joni's career . >She should have turned to the likes of Manfred Eicher and used Garbarek's >group consisting of JG, Rainer Bruninghaus (piano), Eberhard Weber (bass), >Nana Vasconcelos (percussion) to show again how it can be done. How about nominations for an all-European Joni band? Jan Garbarek would definitely get my vote for Saxist. How about Danny Thompson on bass? David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:40:08 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Heeelllp! Vonda vandalises Joni gem! (Both Sides Now) Fortunately I missed this one - I can only give thanks for my deliverance. One Vonda Shepherd cover was on such a different planet from the original it took many months and an issue of "never mind the buzzcocks" before it sunk into my fuddled brain that it WAS a cover. Anyone for a definition of the verb "to Vonda"? - or even planet Vonda? ( Vonda becomes Honda on the AOL spellchecker, for anyone who wants to know. Apologies to all Vondaphiles. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:50:05 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC CatGirl wrote: << The official date of the Harvest Moon was September 25th. It is called that for this is the time to do harvesting and what better way to get it finished then under the light of a full moon. October is called the Blood Moon and November the Mourning Moon. Early Religions would name each full moon after an event going on at the time. >> A Native American friend just told me that her tribe (Onandoga) calls this full moon the Beaver Moon because it is time to finish work on our dwellings for the winter. Contemplating the first Thanksgiving.... E.T. NPIMH: Moon At The Window ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:12:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. There were a couple of words I couldn't make out - if anyone knows what they are, you know what to do. Does anyone have any idea what the deal was with the sandbags in North Dakota is supposed to be? Anyway, here it is: VIVID Joni Mitchell, from PWWAM [Joni tells this story just before she sings “Woodstock”.] Sometime after the completion of this song [“Woodstock”], I moved back to Canada. Everybody got kind of fed up with LA. Things began to change. The summer of love was over, heavy drugs were setting in, and flower power was starting to wilt. And Graham moved back to San Francisco, and Crosby moved to Marin. Neil Young and our manager, Eliot, took a ranch outside of San Francisco, and I took Highway 101 as far as it would take me into the Canadian backbush. And while I was building a little house there – kind of a stone reform school along Thoreau-ian philosophy: two chairs for company and three for society – I took a room in a hotel called Lord Jim’s Lodge. And it was off-season at the time, and I didn’t think there was anybody there but myself. And I was knitting a poncho cuz I’d quit smoking and so, to keep my hands busy, I was knitting. And there was all this wool that I’d dragged home from all around the world, and it was spread all around the room. This was a fishing lodge, where people came and there was no radio, there was no television. People just got up early and went out fishing, and came home, went to bed early, and got up and went fishing. But, like I say, it was off-season, so I was sitting up in bed and I’d finished the back of the poncho, which was all grey stripes and I couldn’t purl, I could only knit, so it looked like chain-mail. But there were all these stripes of drab, smoggy, yellowish greys and puce-ish greys, and it was finished and hanging over the back of the chair. And all around the room were all these what I thought were vivid colours – colours of the stone, the colours of the flowers, the colours of the sunset and the water. I was knitting sometimes three strands at a time – a boucle with a metallic. So there I was. I was sitting up in bed. I was naked from the waist up and the needles were clicking. Well, the room had two doors. One went out to where you parked the car, and the back went out to a kind of balcony that ran along the whole thing, and down below it, the fishing boats were kind of rocking in the night. So, I was sitting there knitting, listening to the sounds of my knitting needles, when suddenly, the door flew open and there stood a woman with orange hair and black roots and teeth like the teeth in “Yellow Submarine” – these very British teeth that had a space at the top and a space at the bottom. And she said to me, with a glass of gin rattling – the cubes rattling - in her hand, she said, “Oh, dull, dull, dull! I saw the knitting through the window this afternoon and I thought to myself, ‘How terribly dull!’ What are you knitting, dear?” And I said, “Well…” – pulling the covers up over me – I said, “I’m knitting the garden of paradise.” And she said to me, sitting down at the foot of my bed, “Paradise? Why, this is not paradise! Paradise is vivid, dear. Vivid! I mean, the broom is in bloom all along the highway everywhere you look. If you look out there, it’s bright yellow. Where’s your bright yellow, dear? Why, I don’t see any bright yellow. “I knit a sweater for my daughter once,” she said. “It was lovely. It was basic black with blue butterflies – basic black doesn’t show the dirt on the golf course – with blue butterflies all down both sleeves. And my daughter said to me, ‘Mama, you know, no more butterflies. I’m too old for butterflies.’ Can you imagine? Too old for butterflies! Why, you’re never too old for butterflies! “Now, I have a girlfriend in Vancouver. She’s my age, she likes to go, go, go. Well, Jack and I were the same, you know, we work hard. We work 9 to 5 all day, you know, and on the weekends, we like to go, go, go. And we have this friend, and she’s very vivid, dear. Now, she wears these colours now – chartreuse and magenta and turquoise [pron. Tur-KWAZ]. Now, that’s vivid! And paradise is vivid! But you kids are so dull, with your blue jeans and all. You know, you’re so very dull. “Now, where are you from, dear?” I said, “Well, um, I’m from California.” “Ohhhh,” she said. I said, “Well, I was born in Saskatchewan.” “Oh! Canadian! Oh, well you know, those damn Yanks, eh, they come up here with their boats, and they empty their bilges out here in our bays, and they don’t spend a goddam dime on [word unclear]. “Well, we went to the States once. We went to Minute [sp? Minoot? Maynooth?] North Dakota. Oh, it was terrible, dear – it was terrible! You know, the bayonets were out. You could see all the Negroes were huddled together and the sandbags were all piled in one corner. And they were sticking bayonets into the bales of sand. Well, YOU KNOW why they were doing that… Oh, we got out of there in a hell of a hurry, eh? “We went to Niagara Falls. Oh, it’s lovely on the Canadian side. But on the American side, of course, it’s just a pile of rocks falling down, and they want us to fix it up. Well, you know, that’s just silly, isn’t it? “Why don’t you come and have a drink with us, dear?” “Well, I’m knitting.” “Oh! I hear Jack outside. Well! Jack! She’s knitting, Jack!” “Uh, and I’m naked, I don’t have [word unclear]”. “And she’s naked, Jack! Well, wouldn’t you just come and have a little drink? I mean – we like to go, go, go on the weekends, you know.” I said, “Oh. No. Well… I just like to knit, knit, knit on the weekends.” “Well, all right, dear. Oh, you children. You’re so very dull. It’s not like our generation a-tall.” So, she stepped outside into the night and onto the balcony. And I heard her say to Jack, “Jesus Christ, Jack! Look at them stars! Ain’t they something!” END Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:42:37 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Eating at MacDonalds - was Cher, good?? NJC Catherine slums it.. > I have heard some people *claim* they would *never* eat at McDonald's > but, IMO, they're either lying, they don't have kids, or they're snobs. Well you probably expected SOMEONE to come back on that Catherine! I have occasionally been so hungry while out, and have gone past a MacDonalds, and the aroma has called be back. I've succombed to a burger and each time have bitterly regretted it. They are completely aweful. I don't have kids, and I'm sure not lying, so I'm happy to be a snob;-) Each to their own. mine's anything but a Mac. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:30:13 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: The Homebuyer's Checklist ... NJC Fresh from my Garbarek conspiracy theory, I have another one. You buy a house and for the first time and you realise that you haven't just bought a collection of walls and spaces. You've bought somebody else's taste in toilet seats, and realise that you yourself have a taste in toilet seats, which is of course different. You've bought somebody else's taste in wallpaper, and boy did they ever have bad taste! They left their dirty pink carpet behind in the bedroom. No surprise that they left it behind, but now YOU have to look at it. You look at the previous occupants attempts at DIY and realise that even YOU can do better than that. If you are like me, you spend the first four years of occupancy in your first home changing EVERYTHING. I've knocked down a wall, redecorated two bedrooms, the bathroom, the living room. I'm just about to completely tear out the old kitchen and fit a new one. And so on. I'm going to put a new firesurround and fire in the living room next year. And change that damn toilet seat! Sometimes I wonder what the hell I saw in the flat in the first place. So... it's a big capitalist (you listening Marcel;-) conspiracy to get you to endlessly spend money on things which you don't need, because you already have them in the first place!! Think I'll go live under a banana leaf and eat ants. Martin. Don waxed domestic... > Since I'm still all a-chuckle over Lou's closing woes, > I thought I'd pass along my "Homebuyer's Checklist". > These are things no ordinary mortal would even > consider or do until becoming a home owner ... > > 1. Rubber baby buggy bumpers -- Sure they're ugly as > hell, but we simply can't have our doorknobs knocking > holes in the drywall now, can we? > > 2. Decorator Registers -- no it's not a checkbook. > Neither does it have anything to do with staying in a > hotel. These are the thingies you used to call > 'vents', but when you buy a house, suddenly you're > consumed with an urge to make sure they're all > hardwood or brass. It's my HOUSE dammit! > > 3. Home Depot is magically transformed into Toy's R > Us. > > 4. Function and Form switch places -- yeah that chair > you've been sitting in since cramming for freshman Lit > finals is still comfortable -- so when exactly was it > that it became unbearable to look at??? > > 5. Valances -- exqueeze me? You've been around for > almost ... well you know how long -- and until now > windows were for looking through, not hanging fabric > over! > > 6. Keys -- you've owned 7-12 cars, rented 5-10 > apartments and worked in 1-3 different offices. But > somehow, you have more sets of keys for your 1 house > than all those put together ... why is this? > > 7. All those Carpet and Tile ads you see on TV start > making sense. Be afriad, be very, very afraid ... > > 8. Bob Villa replaces Mick Jagger as your hero ... > > 9. You learn to love, instead of fear, Schedule A. > > 10. You keep, instead of immediately throwing away, > every printed address label sent to you in the mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:22:36 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC Greetings Listers, Alot of people have sent me posts regarding the different moons and what they mean. So...I am going to post them to the entire list (NJC of course!!) So, if anyone sees *Moon Meanings-NJC* in the header and do not want to know about them simply delete them!! I hope I don't offend anyone! Hugs! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:28:34 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC In a message dated 11/25/1999 1:52:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << A Native American friend just told me that her tribe (Onandoga) calls this full moon the Beaver Moon because it is time to finish work on our dwellings for the winter. Contemplating the first Thanksgiving.... E.T. NPIMH: Moon At The Window >> cool info ET! I fyo know the native american names for all the different full moon and would like to share them with the list pl;ease do!! Just put them in the header**Moon Meanings-NJC ** and we can all learn about the mysterious moon! Hugs, Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:32:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: The Homebuyer's Checklist ... NJC Martin says: >Fresh from my Garbarek conspiracy theory, I have another one. >You buy a house and for the first time and you realise that you >haven't >just bought a collection of walls and spaces. >If you are like me, you spend the first four years of occupancy in >your >first home changing EVERYTHING. And if you're like me, the minute you've got it all done to your taste (or close enough), you sell the damn place and move to another one. And it all starts over again. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:36:40 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Eating at MacDonalds - was Cher, good?? NJC I said: >I have heard some people *claim* they would *never* eat at McDonald's >but, IMO, they're either lying, they don't have kids, or they're >snobs. And Martin replied: >Well you probably expected SOMEONE to come back on that Catherine! Yes, Martin, I did, but I didn't necessarily expect it to be YOU of all people! ;) >I have occasionally been so hungry while out, and have gone past a >MacDonalds, and the aroma has called be back. I've succombed to a >burger >and each time have bitterly regretted it. Oh you've got that right! I never said I *liked* MacDonald's, but when you're desperately hungry and you don't want to cook and the kids are whining in the backseat, the siren song of grease pulls you in. Like you, I immediately regret it, and vow never to do it again. After consuming my Big Mac or my Quarter-Pounder-with-Cheese, I always feel as if I've been stuffed with used wallpaper, and the paste that goes with it. Terrible stuff. I'd rather have falafel. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:41:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Justice a la Joni - kind of llllloooonnnngggg (ish) When I was transcribing the Vivid story from PWWAM and fast-forwarding to get to it and stopping every time Joni looked like she was gabbin' and not singin', I stopped at the Justice one first, so I transcribed it too. For what it's worth. This is kind of a two-for-one sale. BTW, I'm all caught up on my emails now, and ready to do some serious damage! So, voila. JUSTICE Joni Mitchell, from PWWAM Just after the LA riots, I pulled up behind a car with a license plate that read “Just Ice”, which caused me to do some thinking and some asking questions. And I asked a lot of people what justice was. Nobody seemed to know. I asked a lot of lawyers what justice was – they really didn’t seem to know. Many of them referred me to Socrates, and so I ended up reading a book – “Plato’s Republic” – which is a debate on justice featuring Socrates according to Plato, and the pivotal point of the book is, someone comes and says, “What is justice?” And Socrates says, “Well, in order to have justice, we have to have a just society.” So, he goes about creating what he considers to be a just society – and it isn’t really a just society. Actually, what it is, it’s a society of specialists. It’s the enemy of renaissance. When I met Georgia O’Keefe some years ago, she said to me, “Well, I would have liked to have been a musician as well, but you can’t do both.” And I said to her, “Oh yes, you can.” And she leaned forward on her elbows, at the age of 90, and said, “Really?” And I thought, if someone had told the young O’Keefe that she could have been a violinist AND a painter, she would have been. But, it’s a society of specialists. And, it was tough enough in her time just to be a female painter. Given permission, there’s no big deal in participating in 3 or 4 or 5 of the arts. Academics carry 6 or 7 subjects. Nobody thinks much of that. But Socrates kind of created a strange form of fascism. It was the foundation stone of western thought, and we’ve been discombobulated, kind of, ever since. Anyway, this is a little song about sex and violence in LA. END Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:55:08 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG I'm guessing there may have been a flood in North Dakota, but I don't know of any rivers that flow through it. Sandbags are used as an embankment to stop flood waters. And there may have been the war (as in the Civil War), so this woman would to have been at least 100. About the 'negroes': maybe they were trying to destroy the embankment or something??? Happy thanksgiving everyone - Deb (or whoever wrote that beautiful Thanksgiving poem) - that was wonderful! NP-Tim Reynolds - Stream ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| > A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with > Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. > > There were a couple of words I couldn't make out - if anyone knows what they > are, you know what to do. > > Does anyone have any idea what the deal was with the sandbags in North > Dakota is supposed to be? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:14:50 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: VIVID - Minot, North Dakota Thnaks for doing this, Catherine. It's great. I think the town in N.D. is Minot. I was there once as a boy. An old classmate of my father lived there. It was fun - ended up joining in a big neighbourhood crab apple fight. Don't ask me why, but the kids there loved to have crab apple fights in the fall. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:27:37 +0200 From: "Vadim Litvin" Subject: Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: >Whatever happened to Bonnie anyway? Nothing terrible happened to her. She is still in a good form both external and inner sides. She goes on making records and live performances. Her last album called All In One Voice was released '98 on eastwest records. For more info please visit http://m3.easyspace.com/btyler/, or http://www.bonnietyler.com, or http://members.xoom.com/bonnietyler/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:39:40 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Freebo & John Hall Update! Dates: 11/28/99 Freebo and John Hall House Concert! Oak Park (Agoura), CA 6 pm Sunday Evening Potluck Dinner $10 RSVP to Russ at 818/707-2179 or email Russ at houseconcerts@jrp-graphics.com http://www.jrp-graphics.com/houseconcerts.html 12/2/99 Freebo and John Hall with the Groovsters The Baked Potato Hollywood, 6266 Sunset Bl.(1/2 blk eastof Vine) 8pm $12 323/461-6400 12/5/99 KPIG 107.5 Watsonville, CA Freebo & John Hall Show starts at 10am, Freebo & John on at 11am Listen online @ www.kpig.com 12/5/99 Fourth Street Tavern, 711 4th Street (at Lindaro), San Rafael, CA 415/454-4044 or 415/456-4828 12/7/99 KAZU 90.3 FM Pacific Grove, CA 9-11am Freebo & John Hall Live on The Roadside Cafe Listen online @ http://www.kazu.org/ 12/7/99 Henfling's Firehouse Tavern 9450 Highway 9, Ben Lomond, CA 8pm $10 advance, $12 at the door 831/336-8811 12/9/99 Cafe Van Gogh, Grass Valley, CA (in the front of the No. California Center for the Arts check www.freebo.com 'gig page' for address and ph#) $9 advance, $11 at the door 12/11/99 Freebo & John Hall House Concert Ashland, OR RSVP to Gaelyn @ 541/488-3060 or Laurie @ 541/488-4756 12/13/99 The Tractor Tavern, 5213 Ballard Ave. N.W., Seattle, WA 8pm $10 206/789-3599 206/789-4250 12/15/99 Sam Bond's Garage, 407 Blair Blvd., Eugene, OR 541/343-2635 (KLCC, KRVM, KWVA) 9 pm $5 All-organic meals are served. 12/17/99 Roseland Grill, 8 N.W. Sixth Avenue, Portland, OR 8pm $14 21 & over 503-219-9929 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:16:09 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Voilence against Women In a message dated 11/25/1999 10:04:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Today is International Day Against Violence Towards Women. In this country 1 woman is killed evry three days by her current or ex partner. I have never heard of such a campaign or day set aside to protest violence against children. Does one exist? >> Colin, Your inquiry is quite timely! December 1 is international Day Of The Child. The child/family support program I work for sponsors some events locally, as do countless communities around the globe. It's still an issue that doesn't receive nearly the attention that it should. Thanks for inquiring. I'm happy to have an opportunity to pass the word on. This from the homepage: On Wednesday, December 1st, 1999, a worldwide media event will be held to raise awareness for abused children. Day of the Child '99. You can help make history, along with thousands of radio stations whom we are asking to join in a worldwide simulcast, along with media outlets, and child abuse agencies around the globe. Celebrating 10 years of helping hurting children, the Day of the Child vision is to raise awareness and promote healing for victims and survivors of child abuse. Change a child's life today by adding your name to "The Wall" and then get involved in your own local community using the resources we provide for you here. You can learn more at: http://www.dayofthechild.org/dc98/orgindex.htm Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:35:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Voilence against Women > > > Colin, > Your inquiry is quite timely! December 1 is international Day Of The Child. > The child/family support program I work for sponsors some events locally, as > do countless communities around the globe. It's still an issue that doesn't > receive nearly the attention that it should. Thanks for inquiring. I'm happy > to have an opportunity to pass the word on. I am glad to read this Gina. Children are the most oppressed group of people on the planet and the most powerless. It isn't just that they are abused emotinally and physicallyand used as sexual objects by adult women and men, but are neglected and left to die by governments and politicians. Millions starve to death or die of treatable diseases. Or are killed by soldeirs/police becuase they are a nuisance. I sometimes feel when i see yet another program or article about battered women or battered men or how some group or other is treated badly that people are so obsessed with their own stuff they forget about the children.And really we cannot afford to. Get the raising and protection of children right and we could do away with so many of the problems which beset our world. The trouble is too many of us forget what it was like to be a child but no matter how it may hurt it really must not be forgotten. If we forget our own childhoods we lose ourselves and our capacity to really feel and therefore to empathise . Without empathy we have the world we all live in. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:37:11 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Eating at MacDonalds - was Cher, good?? NJC In a message dated 11/25/1999 2:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << said: >I have heard some people *claim* they would *never* eat at McDonald's >but, IMO, they're either lying, they don't have kids, or they're >snobs. >> I must say (and I am not a SNOB) that I have not eaten at a McDonalds in over 10 years. Being a veg if I want fast food I usually go to Taco Bell and get a 7 layer burrito....no meat just beans! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:34:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: PWWAM & Thanks cath, wally is the beautiful beautiful BEAUTIFUL man with the goatee sitting right behind joni. he can be seen many times through the show. and isn't it he at the beginning, too, looking at one of joni's paintings and saying something like "yes, it does..."? wallyk > > I didn't realize you could see Wally. Where was he sitting and do you > remember what songs Joni was singing when Wally could be seen? > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:42:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG catherine dear, my god! what a lot of hard work! thank you so much! i could never have understood all that detail. it's so much more ... well.... VIVID now! wallyk, NP: marian, marian, marian and no one has told me yet who's the man at the end of side 3. he's beauty incarnate!!!!! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Catherine McKay Para: Enviado: Jueves 25 de Noviembre de 1999 16:12 Asunto: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG > A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with > Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:44:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: jonifest box set njc i'm listening to the jonifest box set. WHO is the man with the voice like the herman's hermits that comes at the end of disc 3?!?!?!? i love his voice. i have to meet him at once. he's almost like peter gabriel at times. he's put us all to shame. i will never forgive les for not including himself in the credits. for god's sake, the editing is perfect. the "bonus track [pippin!] is sublime. the very effort must have been colossal, people. everybody take your felt tips and write in your finest hand: "god bless les and all his descendants!!!" there's so much to say about this collection of songs. how i love michael's covers. he's so subdued, so unlike himself [michael, you have what i call flamboyant subdued, so un ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:54:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: jonifest box #2 njc my previous post was incomplete. i was just saying that michael sounds so detached when he is singing, but he's so flamboyantly funny and outgoing in "spoken" life. folks, you've got to have these discs! mg: did you hear yourself saying, "wait a minute, look at my legs!" i play it constantly for my friends and we all have such a laugh...not AT you of course. it's just that it's out of context and they ask me over and over why you're saying that and i never tell them. so it sounds like this mysterious woman demanding that her legs be looked at non-stop. les, i will scold you for ever for not putting your name down as mega-compiler and editor. wallyk, very VIVID tonight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:44:27 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Moon Meanings- NJC January! January's Full Moon is also known as Cold Moon, Moon after Yule- i am trying to find more info but alas this is it..... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:36:29 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Moon Meanings- NJC January! the ute calendar, which corresponds to our julian calendar, was based on the 28-day cycle of the moon. the names they chose for the lunar phases reflected their awareness of the changing seasons that affected the patterns of their lives. january, the cold moon february, the snow moon march. the green moon april, moon of the plants may, moon of the flowers june, the hot moon july, the trout moon august, moon of the deer september, fruit moon october, traveling moon november, beaver moon december, hunting moon hope all you guys had a nice thanksgiving, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 9:44 PM Subject: Moon Meanings- NJC January! > January's Full Moon is also known as > Cold Moon, Moon after Yule- > i am trying to find more info but alas this is it..... > Catgirl > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:53:02 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Moon Meanings- NJC January! In a message dated 11/26/1999 1:33:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, gmock@psyber.com writes: << the ute calendar, which corresponds to our julian calendar, was based on the 28-day cycle of the moon. the names they chose for the lunar phases reflected their awareness of the changing seasons that affected the patterns of their lives. january, the cold moon, Moon after Yule february, the snow moon, Wolf Moon, Hunger Moon march. the green moon, Quikening Moon, Storm Moon, Sap Moon april, moon of the plants, Wind Moon, Grass Moon may, moon of the flowers, Planting Moon june, the hot moon, Strong Sun Moon july, the trout moon, Blessing Moon, Honey Moon august, moon of the deer, Corn Moon, Thunder Moon september, fruit moon, Harvest Moon, Grain Moon october, traveling moon, Blood Moon, *Hunter's Moon* november, beaver moon, Mourning Moon, Frosty Moon december, Moon Befor Moon, Long Nights Moon I added to this...this is what i found in my book. Catgirl hope all you guys had a nice thanksgiving, gene >> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #532 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?