From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #530 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 530 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Garbarek [FredNow@aol.com] RE: Harvest Moon ["Ross, Les" ] re: Cher (NJC) [Robert Holliston ] Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg!NJC [catman ] Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg [Winfried Huehn ] Re: harvest moon NJC ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Cher (was Joni voted top 20) NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg! [Don Rowe ] RE: Tom Rush at McCabe's (SJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] NJC Happy T'Giving [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wumb Top 100 ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: NJC Happy T'Giving [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: NJC Happy T'Giving / Loreena / Stan [Brian Gross ] Re: Connecting to the Power of Joan ["Catherine McKay" ] to all you turkeys...(NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Shades of Scarlett [Andy Stancliffe ] Over the River and thru the Swamp (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: harvest moon NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] A Joni Memory ... [Don Rowe ] RE: harvest moon NJC ["Brett Code" ] Attention Vancouverites ["David Greenspoon" ] Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Harvest Moon ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: harvest moon NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Cher (was Joni voted top 20) NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Kick Pleat Skirt ["Catherine McKay" ] Happy Thanks ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Happy days off!!! [Susan McNamara ] (NJC) Thanksgiving Funnies (long) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:30:06 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Garbarek "Australian Seashells" writes: >There's a perfect, shiny gem of an instrumental by Jan Garbarek & Keith >Jarrett on the album "My Song", called "Country." It's as near perfectly >round and beautiful as I ever heard Yeah, a great tune, great performance. So good I can even forgive that the tune borrows significantly from Elton John's "Your Song." Really, if anyone is a fan of good music, both albums, Belonging and My Song, are really worth owning. After that, the two live albums with the same group (Jarrett, Garbarek, Danielsson, Christensen) -- Nude Ants and Personal Mountains. These four albums alone could nourish one for years on a desert island. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:34:40 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Harvest Moon Yeah, Pat I was driving home the other evening through the scuttle and dive of east London traffic and the moon was a beacon in a momentarily cloudless sky. I couldn't help but reflect on the last time I saw it like this over the wetlands down by the edge of the North Sea near to where I was raised in Scotland. It seems so long ago. At times like these and at night after school when the tide was at its highest I would walk down there and stand on a wall looking out across the drowning landscape bathed in the cold light of the moon. Along the shore line are very old stone buildings long since abandoned to the elements and now lapped on all sides by the rising oily black water. How much more evocative too, to think of the moon as a Mourning Moon, as Catgirl noted. Definitely pause for directionless thought - well maybe not directionless so much as directed inward. Nice one Later Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:04:07 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: Cher (NJC) Tiptoeing into this thread, I admit I know very little about Cher's music, despite having been an ardent fan of Sonny and Cher when I was about 11. But I think she's a wonderful actress, whatever side of the Atlantic she's on ;-) I remember seeing Silkwood: many people in the audience laughed when the name Cher came up in the opening credits. Well, they weren't laughing when the film was over: Cher gave (IMHO) the subtlest, most direct and least fussy performance in that film. Plus, I love love love Moonstruck - everyone in it was perfect, right down to the last little cameo. So, I love Cher's acting. As I do Dame Judi's - so I will take Julie Z. Webb's advice and see Tea With Mussolini as soon as possible. By the way, on the flight to Boston, they showed a wonderful film called My Life So Far. Thoughts about it from the perspicacious Ms. Webb would be most welcome... big hugs to y'all, Roberto np Joni's Jazz (thanks to my favorite Manhattanite) - loving it so much! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:39:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg!NJC I think we do things quite differently here. I picked up the keys to the house from the estate agent on the day of completion, having signed the papers weeks previously. That was it. never even met the other side. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:39:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: harvest moonNJC What is a Harvest Moon? Here last night, the moon was full and it also looked like the sky was floodlit. It is normally very dark her butlast night it was quite light. Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > we have a genuine harvest moon tonight. actually, it started yesteday and > this morning. the tieds are running almost twice their normal height. the > marsh is almost level with the docks and the low country looks lower than > ever. and the moon is so bright in the early morning, it looks like there > are flood lights on outside. and thursday is thanksgiving. pat - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:22:01 +0100 From: Winfried Huehn Subject: Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg > << I swear, if I could afford to postpone settlement, I > would find a new title attorney. > > It's the first time I ever heard anyone say "No Joni Mitchell." >> > ROTFL! You should have put in "No Apolgies" and set the CD-player to continuous repeat mode -- "...Lawyers and loan sharks...lawyers and loan sharks...lawyers and loan sharks...lawyers and loan sharks...lawyers and loan sharks...lawyers and loan sharks..." Winfried in Germany, where of course the lawyers are much more (Joni-) tolerant, ahem... well... at least ONE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:33:18 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bj=F6rk_on_Joni_=28a_bit_long=29?= Thanks Mariana for reporting Bjork's comments about Joni. It's very interesting to read that today's ice queen chose Hejira. That album with it's icy modern songs must have been a big influence on Bjork. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:09:37 -0500 From: Sue Subject: Child welfare beware MG, Has your daughter called the child welfare workers yet? When I was going through my JoniHazeCraze before Pittsburgh my daughter threatened to call the FIA (Family Independence Agency) to report me for neglect. Gotta admit, your daughter may be a writer in the future as "N.O. for me, NO for you." is a pretty damn good line! Suze, who is seriously considering how to farm out three 15 year olds in order to possibly attend the bash! All advice on how to do this would be welcome. Summer camp is not an option! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:53:00 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC It seemed a little late to me for a Harvest Moon so I looked it up. Here is what FunkandWagnells says: HARVEST MOON, full moon at harvest time in the North Temperate Zone, or more exactly, the full moon occurring just before the autumnal equinox on about September 23. During this season the moon rises at a point opposite to the sun, or close to the exact eastern point of the horizon. Moreover, the moon rises only a few minutes later each night, affording on several successive evenings an attractive moonrise close to sunset time and strong moonlight almost all night if the sky is not clouded. The continuance of the moonlight after sunset is useful to farmers in northern latitudes, who are then harvesting their crops. The full moon following the harvest moon, which exhibits the same phenomena in a lesser degree, is called the hunter's moon. A phenomenon similar to the harvest moon is observed in southern latitudes at the spring equinox on about March 21. Accordingly your moon is even to late for a Hunter's Moon which would have come the end of October. Maybe once in a blue moon there is a Harvest Moon near the end of November. Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > we have a genuine harvest moon tonight. actually, it started yesteday and > this morning. the tieds are running almost twice their normal height. the > marsh is almost level with the docks and the low country looks lower than > ever. and the moon is so bright in the early morning, it looks like there > are flood lights on outside. and thursday is thanksgiving. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:25:54 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Cher (was Joni voted top 20) NJC Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > > i'm confused about our choices of preference. madonna stands on well lit > stage in front of a hundred thousand people and pretents to play with herself > and everyone loves it. but pee wee herman goes into a dark theater alone and > really does it, and he gets run out of town. If you do it on the stage it's art. If you do it in your seat it's perversion. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:53:04 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Child welfare beware Suze writes: << Suze, who is seriously considering how to farm out three 15 year olds in order to possibly attend the bash! All advice on how to do this would be welcome. Summer camp is not an option! >> I guess they wouldn't go for a Junior Joni-fest huh? Maybe a Ricky Martin-fest? Oh heck, I think you could bring your kids and they'd have a blast wandering around Bourbon Street :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:09:51 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Kick Pleat Skirt Hi MG > Think Catholic school uniform or a cheerleader's skirt and > you have kick > pleats. Instead of the skirt having many smaller pleats, > (knife pleat, I > believe), there are only a few pleats to the whole skirt. > When you walk, your > legs kick out from between the folds. really? I thought a kick pleat skirt was thin and had only one slit/pleat in the back so that you could walk... and hence, Myrtle's disapproval anne > > MG > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:13:10 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: House vents -- Joni banned in Harrisburg! OH my! Poor Harper Lou ... I feel I just have to quote a little Terrence Mann, from "Field Of Dreams" for you at this point: "BACK! BACK to the sixties! There's no place for you here in the future!" BTW, did the title atty warn you about the part where all your stuff turns to S**T once you buy a house? Tee-hee! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:11:33 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Thanksgiving! To all my friends and aquaintences on the JMDL: Have a great Thanksgiving! Thank you Les for this great sight; thank you Catgirl, Rainbow, Jerry, Jimmy for your friendship; thanks to the numerous folks I've traded with; thanks to Kakki, Michael, WallyK for becoming new aquaintences!!! Special thanks to Wally Breese for starting all this! You are in my thoughts often, -one selfless act has brought so many people together in friendship (and conflict) ;-) and has brought so many lives to intertwine across the planet has filled me with awe and wonder. You are a blessing to so many! I hope and pray total healing finds it's way into your life soon! God bess you, for he has blessed me with you- for you love of Joni, and your kindness, all of which I have only experienced indirectly... Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Wally! Peace Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:16:16 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Tom Rush at McCabe's (SJC) Hi Kakki. Oh, this echoes of the time I saw Tom Rush play Symphony Hall here in Boston - - eons ago (about 1971?). The set list sounds similar. It was the last evening he and Trevor Veitch played together - well, until recently, I guess... We had amazing seats. The evening transported me in a way almost no other concert ever has. I can't wait til March when he's playing in Marblehead at the Me & Thee... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:23:13 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) > I've just read that apparently the Boston Shows > were recorded and JW is very pleased with the > sound so they're seriously thinking of a 'live' album > (maybe as soon as February next year). > > Wonder if they'll include the JMDL hoopin' and a hollerin'? or Patrick's comment (Patrick, what did you say?), to which JW replied something like "hey buddy, this show's not interactive..." Just curious Paul, where'd you read this info... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:45:06 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Obsessive (NJC) gr8fuldave wrote: >Overall it breaks down like this after tomorrow night: >Jorma Kaukonen=34 >Jack Casady=24 >Hot Tuna=19 >Derek Trucks=5 >DTB=1 I am so relieved to see that there are OTHER people so anally-retentive/ obsessive about tracking their live shows! :) Sorry, best I can do on these guys is: 1 Jefferson Airplane Kaleidoscope Hollywood 2/22/68 5* 2 Jefferson Airplane The Shrine Los Angeles 2/24/68 4* 3 Jefferson Airplane Griffith Park Hollywood 7/28/69 4 4 Jefferson Airplane Elysian Park Los Angeles 11/2/69 4* 5 Jefferson Airplane Convention Center Anaheim 2/7/70 5* 1 Hot Tuna Griffith Park Hollywood 7/28/69 3 2 Hot Tuna Elysian Park Los Angeles 11/2/69 4* 3 Hot Tuna Convention Center Anaheim 2/7/70 3 ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:13:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Happy T'Giving Hi All, Happy Thanksgiving to all...we certainly have a lot to be thankful for! I'm going to Kentucky for a long weekend, so don't be miffed if I don't respond to e-mail - we're going "over the river and through the woods to Grandmother's house", where there is no computer but plenty of good food, which is an OK tradeoff with me... Bob NP: Elvis C., "Little Atoms" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:19:21 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Wumb Top 100 Colin, says: "I imagine most of the voters were aged hippies who haven;t followed Joni since 75 because they got lost in a fog." And Rick replies: >Okay ,Catman, them's fightin' words! Perhaps the reason that the >older >recordings did better than the newer is that they could >actually be >considered "folk" albums and the station is largely a >"folk" station, >n'est-ce pas? Thanks, Rick, for clearing that up. Without that information (that it's a "folk" station), none of the preceding information made any sense. Imagine - - not just ONE Joni album in the top 100, but 3 or more! It's obviously not 12-year olds listening to WUMB, otherwise we'd be seeing the Backstreet Boys and their various clones holding at least the top ten positions. It doesn't explain the lack of Steeleye Span though. (Any Fairport on there?) I don't know 'bout you, but I hate top 100 lists (or top any other number). Imagine the nerve of those Brits doing it for the entire millenium - that sounds more like something the Yanks would do! How can you possibly distill 1000 years down into 100 songs, especially bearing in mind that we don't even have much information on most music written more than 300 years ago. Add to that, that if you try looking at medieval music with today's ears, it probably sounds totally strange to most people. And has anything that's not based on European background ever made it to one of these? Is there any Chinese music, or anything from India, or any of the world's "indigenous" people (we're all indigenous of something, aren't we? or are we ETs?) ever made it to one of these lists? How many times are you allowed to vote? Who does the voting? Just to give you an example, one of my co-workers entered her dog in an internet "cutest dog" contest sponsored by some pet food company. She asked all of us to vote for her dog so she could win a month's supply of dog food - she has a BIG dog, so this would mean something to her. So, we all went along with it and voted once a day (you were allowed one vote per day although how they would know if you voted more than once is beyond me, since all you had to do was to click onto the picture of her dog.) It was fairly evident to me, from looking at the pictures of all the dogs and the votes they had obtained that my co-worker and one other dog-owner had both done the same thing (asked their friends to vote early, vote often). This was made very evident by the fact that these 2 dogs had hundreds of votes, and the other 20 or so had maybe a maximum of 50. In other words, the rest of them were naive enough to do it the honest way. My co-worker and one other person were using the system to their advantage. And yes, I did vote for her dog, and she did win. But it proves nothing except (maybe) that in most cases, the kind of people who do vote in these things either have no taste, or have a vested interest in seeing *their* favourite win. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:24:06 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: NJC Happy T'Giving Happy Thanksgiving everyone! One of the many things I've got to be thankful for this year is all of you. I'll be thinking of you and hoping all the best for every one of you. 'my best to you' Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: RE: NJC Happy T'Giving / Loreena / Stan - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Happy Thanksgiving everyone! > > One of the many things I've got to be thankful for this year is all of you. > I'll be thinking of you and hoping all the best for every one of you. Me too (sorry to violate JMDL Rules, but it's a holiday) And Happy Birthday (Turkey Day this year) to Jim Llamadoo too. Take care, Brian np: Loreena McKennitt Live in Paris and Toronto (A wonderful addition to her catalog, which now numbers 8. Which is pretty scary with the rumor of her dropping out due to the death of Ronald Rees, to whom the album is dedicated. Stan Roger's catalog also only numbers 8 :-( ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: The Homebuyer's Checklist ... NJC Since I'm still all a-chuckle over Lou's closing woes, I thought I'd pass along my "Homebuyer's Checklist". These are things no ordinary mortal would even consider or do until becoming a home owner ... 1. Rubber baby buggy bumpers -- Sure they're ugly as hell, but we simply can't have our doorknobs knocking holes in the drywall now, can we? 2. Decorator Registers -- no it's not a checkbook. Neither does it have anything to do with staying in a hotel. These are the thingies you used to call 'vents', but when you buy a house, suddenly you're consumed with an urge to make sure they're all hardwood or brass. It's my HOUSE dammit! 3. Home Depot is magically transformed into Toy's R Us. 4. Function and Form switch places -- yeah that chair you've been sitting in since cramming for freshman Lit finals is still comfortable -- so when exactly was it that it became unbearable to look at??? 5. Valances -- exqueeze me? You've been around for almost ... well you know how long -- and until now windows were for looking through, not hanging fabric over! 6. Keys -- you've owned 7-12 cars, rented 5-10 apartments and worked in 1-3 different offices. But somehow, you have more sets of keys for your 1 house than all those put together ... why is this? 7. All those Carpet and Tile ads you see on TV start making sense. Be afriad, be very, very afraid ... 8. Bob Villa replaces Mick Jagger as your hero ... 9. You learn to love, instead of fear, Schedule A. 10. You keep, instead of immediately throwing away, every printed address label sent to you in the mail. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:47:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Connecting to the Power of Joan Catherine T, thanks for making my day - your email on learning to play a la Joni was priceless. I particularly liked this: >I knew that I had connected to the power of Joan when, after a >couple of >days of working on Coyote and DJRD, my husband, (whom I've >been trying to >spare too much Joni exposure), yelled at me from the >other room, "I have >a headache! Please stop playing those Joni >colors, I can feel them in my >guts!" (I'm laffin' my guts out over that line! Your husband is much more polite than mine too.) Please post more often. Catherine (in Toronto) (Catherine M or Catherine F depending on whether I'm using the unmarried or married name) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:56:46 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) I wrote: >> I've just read that apparently the Boston Shows >> were recorded and JW is very pleased with the >> sound so they're seriously thinking of a 'live' album >> (maybe as soon as February next year). >> >> Wonder if they'll include the JMDL hoopin' and a hollerin'? and Anne wrote: >or Patrick's comment (Patrick, what did you say?), to which JW replied >something like "hey buddy, this show's not interactive..." > >Just curious Paul, where'd you read this info... On his 'Webboard' at http://www.jimmywebb.com Myrna, who moderates his bulletin board and assists his lady manager, Robin, originally posted that it was on the cards. I see her latest post on the subject also talks about some recording he is doing with Bill Whelan (of 'Riverdance' fame - Myrna posted a while back that JW is really into Irish music at the moment) She says "Robin is evaluating the recordings from Boston...it looks like there may be SEVERAL Webb recordings to look forward to - although I guess Valentine's Day is a bit premature." PaulC PS 'Happy Thanksgiving' for tomorrow to all my JMDL friends, btw - just an ordinary week here. Late afternoon - just starting to get dark - the wind's picking up - lots of ominous clouds scudding across the chimney-stacked rooftops - ooh er! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:58:58 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: to all you turkeys...(NJC) greetings listers! i am just popping in momentarily to wish you all a nice thanksgiving. i know this is an american holiday, but perhaps there is an equivalent for those of you who live elsewhere. in any case, i hope this finds all of you well, and happy and, by this time tomorrow, sufficently over fed. peace and love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:25:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Shades of Scarlett I realize that the discussion about the demo versions of HOSL is an old topic now, but a kind soul just sent me the Hissing demo CD, and I played it last night. Like everyone else who has posted about it, I was just blown away. When HOSL first came out, I just loved Shades of Scarlett Conquering, and listening to the bare bones piano & vocal was so fascinating. Both Scarlett & the Boho Dance sound like they could fit on For the Roses when played solo on piano. I also love the early version of Dreamland, although I certainly don't want to revisit the discussion about the lyrics ;) The thread about Heard it Through the Grapevine brought back a funny memory. I saw her sing this as an encore at the Universal Amphiteater on the '83 tour. I wasn't surprised to hear her sing a cover, since she had sung Why Do Fools... the last time I had seen her in '79, and I actually enjoyed her performance of Grapevine. I do remember a review of the show, however, which criticized Grapevine, by saying something along the lines of "Joni Mitchell has a great soul, but not that kind of soul," which made me laugh (although of course I don't agree) Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:52:44 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Over the River and thru the Swamp (NJC) Hello All- I am on my way out the door to meet Patrick Leader for lunch in downtown New Orleans. I am so excited to be meeting with a fellow lister. The New Orleans list is not very well organized. What do you say deep south? Anyway, I am trying to figure out where to take him because when you are in New Orleans there are so many choices for food and drink. His sister is coming in later today and we will be doing Thanksgiving together tomorrow at my house along with other strays, homeless/familyless, my family flying in from Honduras at noon, + whoever else shows up. I am roasting turkeys and frying one. If you have never had a New Orleans Fried Turkey, you haven't had Thanksgiving. I hope you all have a safe and wonderful holiday and that we all have something to be thankful for. (try not to dwell on the fact that is a holiday that recalls the American Indians getting the shit kicked out of them) Love to all Michael NP-Pueblo Nuevo-Buena Vista Social Club ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:17:28 +0200 From: "Vadim Litvin" Subject: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) >Well, I've come to the conclusion that Cher has a really great voice for the kind of music she performs. I just want to ask what jimdlers thinks about Bonnie Tyler? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:02:33 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC In a message dated 11/24/99 7:54:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, slarty@total.net writes: << HARVEST MOON, full moon at harvest time in the North Temperate Zone, or more exactly, the full moon occurring just before the autumnal equinox on about September 23. >> oh well, another image gone to bust. still, it was a nice friggin moon, if not a genuine harvest one. are you sure it cant still be a harvest moon since were on the west side of the atlantic? pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:47:43 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: A Joni Memory ... During an extended, and I shamefully admit, liquid lunch this afternoon -- I was reminded of a specific Joni moment of my life ... and thought I'd share it with all you good folk. Set your wayback machines for 1982 ... where we find a younger Don/Larry/Chris fresh from a spat with his then significant other, Wendi (with an "i", of course) Rottweiler ... for whom I still maintain The Boss penned 'Born to Run'. Storming back to his dormroom, he cranks up his grandfather's Haeffler 255W amp and begins to drown the cacophany of the quad in 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering'. The release and relief of that moment remains palpalbe to this day. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:53:59 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: harvest moon NJC The moon was extraordinary here in western Canada last night as well. But it definitely wasn't a harvest moon - not big and orange and friendly. I think it only becomes a harvest moon when the sky is filled with the dust created by the work of thousands of farmers - their dust colours the air and changes the universe with its bounty - for which all Americans give thanks starting tomorrow. In Canada, we gave thanks about 5 weeks ago. Last night's moon was a classic winter moon - crystal clear, stark, piercingly bright - and cold, cold, cold. I thought that the man in the moon should be wearing a toque (Canadian word for winter hat). It was awe-inspiring in its brilliance. Harvest moons are nice, but winter moons are magical. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:21:41 PST From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: Attention Vancouverites I dont know if this has been mentioned already but CISL 650 in vancouver is holding a poll for the greatest artist of the century so call up 280-0650 to vote for whoever you think is the greatest artist (JONI) Yours David I'm travelling in some vehicle Im sitting in some dark cafe a defector from the petty wars that shell shock love away. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:23:51 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking Tony says: >We may all have foibles in our record collection, I certainly have a >few......Cecil Taylor's ,'Conquistador' springs to mind, but Cher, >well >frankly no. >Every Joni fan I have met has always had a degree of musical taste, >so I >can not get my head around the idea of someone having a Cher >record >alongside one of hers. >Its like having say, James Joyce's Ulysses on the shelf next to a >Jeffery >Archer book (UK joke), all right then, a Harold Robbins >book. The two >don,t mix! As a matter of fact, I enjoy reading crap novels sometimes. Mindless escapism isn't always a bad thing. It's like saying that someone with gourmet tastes *can't* enjoy a good junk food binge every now and then. In fact, I have heard some people *claim* they would *never* eat at McDonald's but, IMO, they're either lying, they don't have kids, or they're snobs. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:23:59 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: My Paprika Thanksgivings Jmdlers, I posted the following back in November of 97 and thought Id share it with those of you who are new to the jmdl: Hey Jonihiles, I just got done carrying all of the holiday groceries into the house. Unpacking food is typically never fun, UNLESS you take 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter' for a spin---nice and loud. (You see, we've got additional speakers wired in the kitchen to help us escape from the monotony of kitchen duties.) As Im putting away the sweet potatoes, cranberries and store-bought pumpkin pie, I remember that I left the fresh turkey in our unattached garage out back. I schlep outside to the garage to retrieve this 10 pound bird. While in the backyard, I stop and listen. I hear the faint sounds of "Paprika Plains" floating through our naked cherry tree and down to the little hills and valleys of gold and burnt orange---autumn leaves heaped in piles on the ground. Once inside I think about the Indian lyrics of "Paprika Plains." I look over at my daugher putting away the apples and I realize at the age of nine, she has a "Thanksgiving" concept of Indians, and that "Paprika Plains," tells the other story about the American Indians she'll one day study.. I've decided to play DJRD for background music during tomorrow's Thanksgiving celebration It seems appropiate don't you think? Happy Thanksgiving, Julie Z. Webb, DJ'sFD "When I was three feet tallAnd wide eyed open to it allWith their tasseled teams they came To McGee's General StoreAll in their beaded leathersI would tie on colored feathers And I'd beat the drum like war ...I would beat the drum like war'd beat the drum I'd beat the drum like warBut when the church got throughThey traded their beads for bottles Smashed--on Railway AvenueAnd they cut off their braidsAnd lost some link with nature I'm floating into dreamsI'm floating offI'm floating into my dreamsI dream paprika plains The moon clock wanes and waxes--But here all time is stripped awayNowhere on these plains Is a sprout or an egg in evidenceTo measure loss or gain ...Only a little Indian band Come down from some windy mesaNo women to make them food and childNo expressions on their facesFlaps their woven blanketsAnd flags their raven braidsHow came they to this emptiness? How came they to this dream?How came I to this viewOf earth and air and water And a band of Indian menWithout herds or flocks or cropsOr families or fires to tend? Like a phoenix up from ashes nowA blanket figure springsWith a fist raised up to turquoise skies Like libertyAnd at the point of vanishingWhere the sky and the earth meet A bomb bloomsDeadly mushroomWhiteGoldHeatLike a phoenix up from ashes Up from violent mysteriesAnd slash the globe to seeBelow me--Vast Paprika plains And the snake the river tracesAnd a little band of Indian menWith no expressions on their faces" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:43:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Harvest Moon On the topic of harvest/mourning moons, Les says: >I was driving home the other evening through the scuttle and dive of >east >London traffic and the moon was a beacon in a momentarily >cloudless sky. I >couldn't help but reflect on the last time I saw it >like this over the >wetlands down by the edge of the North Sea near >to where I was raised in >Scotland. We had a lovely big orange moon last night and one of my kids asked if they could see the same moon in other parts of the world. She specifically mentioned Africa, which is one of her faves right now. I told her they'd have a full moon everywhere in the world (whenever their night-time came) but I didn't know whether or not it would look the same (big and orange.) I always thought that was due to local air pollution. Until I read it here, I never realized that if I saw a "harvest moon" here, people all around the world would see it that way too. You learn something every day - I'll be sure to let Sarah know that this same moon was seen in the UK, in the southern US - maybe even in Africa! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:49:29 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: harvest moon NJC Ken says: >It seemed a little late to me for a Harvest Moon so I looked it up. >Here is what FunkandWagnells says: >HARVEST MOON, full moon at harvest time in the North Temperate Zone, >or >more exactly, the full moon occurring just before the autumnal >equinox on >about September 23. Apparently the full moon for each month has its own name. I saw a list of the names for these not too long ago probably in the paper. Most of these were names I had never heard before (apart from Harvest and Hunter's Moons.) Needless to say, I didn't keep the article. I've read in one source that a blue moon is what you call it when there is a second full moon within the same month (a rare occurence) but elsewhere I read a different definition of "blue" moon - I believe it was the full moon within a particular month, but I don't remember which month. When I got up this morning, it was still dark (God, I hate winter! It's always dark!) but through the front window I could see a light shining. I thought maybe one of the neighbours had a floodlight on or their car headlights as they pulled out of a driveway - but, it was the moon. There was light spilled all over the road. It was lovely. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:53:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Cher (was Joni voted top 20) NJC Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >i'm confused about our choices of preference. madonna stands on >well lit >stage in front of a hundred thousand people and pretents to >play with >herself and everyone loves it. but pee wee herman goes >into a dark >theater alone and really does it, and he gets run out of >town. And Jerry replies: >If you do it on the stage it's art. >If you do it in your seat it's perversion. If you do it and no one sees, did it happen? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:57:29 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Child welfare beware >Suze, who is seriously considering how to farm out three 15 year >olds in >order to possibly attend the bash! All advice on how to do >this would be >welcome. Summer camp is not an option! >> I'm not worried about my kids. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with a husband? I mean like, can you board them somewhere? I can't think of anyone who would want mine... Take my husband - please! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:02:50 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Kick Pleat Skirt Kick pleats. MG says: > > Think Catholic school uniform or a cheerleader's skirt and > > you have kick > > pleats. Instead of the skirt having many smaller pleats, > > (knife pleat, I > > believe), there are only a few pleats to the whole skirt. > > When you walk, your > > legs kick out from between the folds. And Anne replies: >really? I thought a kick pleat skirt was thin and had only one >slit/pleat >in the back so that you could walk... and hence, Myrtle's >disapproval What Anne says is what I thought it was too. It's a pleat/slit on a tighter skirt, which would allow your legs greater mobility to move (kick). Otherwise you'd be taking teeny weeny little steps because the tightness of the skirt would inhibit your legs' mobility. It's the type of skirt that these days you'd see yuppy businesswomen wearing in a business suit. I remember my Catholic school days. We'd always roll the skirts way the heck up to turn them into mini skirts because they were always too long. I work right across the street from a Catholic girls' school and, 30 years later, they're still doing that. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme old chose. > >anne > > > > > MG > > Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:05:59 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Happy Thanks Happy Thanksgiving, all you Americanos and Americanas! Happy regular workweek/2-day weekend, all the rest of us! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:08:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Bonnie Tyler (NJC) Vadim (possibly trying to start something???) asks: >I just want to ask what jimdlers thinks about Bonnie Tyler? I loved "It's a heartache". "Total eclipse of the heart" was, how shall I say, uh, kinda, sorta, maybe just a little over the top. Whatever happened to Bonnie anyway? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:12:14 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Happy days off!!! I just wanted to wish the list, especially our dear WallyB, our listmeister Les and the stellar guitar crew: Marian, Howard and Mark, a wonderful wonderful holiday. I have four days off--now all I need are new strings!! :-) You all make my life lighter and this past two weeks I've had a lot of belly laughs reading the fantasy Joni visits and the stories of Jonifests. Thanks to all. If I can get at the webtv sometime this weekend I'll check on the chat. Take care, Sue The lines that are stuck in my head today are not from Joni, alas, but from another genius of a Canadian, Bruce Cockburn: Across the concrete fields of man Sun ray like a camera pans Some will run and some will stand Everything is bullshit but the open hand And you've been leading me Beside strange waters Streams of beautiful lights in the sky But where is my pasture land In these dark valleys And if I loose my grip ... will I take flight .... Strange Waters, Charity of Night ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:16:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: (NJC) Thanksgiving Funnies (long) All kinds of Thanksgiving poems, advice, prayers and the like were being emailed around my law firm this morning. The following was my favorite. Happy Thanksgiving to every one. Love, Kakki LAWS CONCERNING FOOD AND DRINK; HOUSEHOLD PRINCIPLES; LAMENTATIONS OF THE FATHER by Ian Frazier Of the beasts of the field, and of the fishes of the sea, and of all foods that are acceptable in my sight you may eat, but not in the living room. Of the hoofed animals, broiled or ground into burgers, you may eat, but not in the living room. Of the cloven-hoofed animal, plain or with cheese, you may eat, but not in the living room. Of the cereal grains, of the corn and of the wheat and of the oats, and of all the cereals that are of bright color and unknown provenance you may eat, but not in the living room. Of the quiescently frozen dessert and of all frozen after-meal treats you may eat, but absolutely not in the living room. Of the juices and other beverages, yes, even of those in sippy-cups, you may drink, but not in the living room, neither may you carry such therein. Indeed, when you reach the place where the living room carpet begins, of any food or beverage there you may not eat, neither may you drink. But if you are sick, and are lying down and watching something, then may you eat in the living room. Laws When at Table And if you are seated in your high chair, or in a chair such as a greater person might use, keep your legs and feet below you as they were. Neither raise up your knees, nor place your feet upon the table, for that is an abomination to me. Yes, even when you have an interesting bandage to show, your feet upon the table are an abomination, and worthy of rebuke. Drink your milk as it is given you, neither use on it any utensils, nor fork, nor knife, nor spoon, for that is not what they are for; if you will dip your blocks in the milk, and lick it off, you will be sent away. When you have drunk, let the empty cup then remain upon the table, and do not bite it upon its edge and by your teeth hold it to your face in order to make noises in it sounding like a duck; for you will be sent away. When you chew your food, keep your mouth closed until you have swallowed, and do not open it to show your brother or your sister what is within; I say to you, do not so, even if your brother or your sister has done the same to you. Eat your food only; do not eat that which is not food; neither seize the table between your jaws, nor use the raiment of the table to wipe your lips. I say again to you, do not touch it, but leave it as it is. And though your stick of carrot does indeed resemble a marker, draw not with it upon the table, even in pretend, for we do not do that, that is why. And though the pieces of broccoli are very like small trees, do not stand them upright to make a forest, because we do not do that, that is why. Sit just as I have told you, and do not lean to one side or the other, nor slide down until you are nearly slid away. Heed me; for if you sit like that, your hair will go into the syrup. And now behold, even as I have said, it has come to pass. Laws Pertaining to Dessert For we judge between the plate that is unclean and the plate that is clean, saying first, if the plate is clean, then you shall have dessert. But of the unclean plate, the laws are these: If you have eaten most of your meat, and two bites of your peas with each bite consisting of not less than three peas each, or in total six peas, eaten where I can see, and you have also eaten enough of your potatoes to fill two forks, both forkfuls eaten where I can see, then you shall have dessert. But if you eat a lesser number of peas, and yet you eat the potatoes, still you shall not have dessert; and if you eat the peas, yet leave the potatoes uneaten, you shall not have dessert, no, not even a small portion thereof. And if you try to deceive by moving the potatoes or peas around with a fork, that it may appear you have eaten what you have not, you will fall into iniquity. And I will know, and you shall have no dessert. On Screaming Do not scream; for it is as if you scream all the time. If you are given a plate on which two foods you do not wish to touch each other are touching each other, your voice rises up even to the ceiling, while you point to the offense with the finger of your right hand; but I say to you, scream not, only remonstrate gently with the server, that the server may correct the fault. Likewise if you receive a portion of fish from which every piece of herbal seasoning has not been scraped off, and the herbal seasoning is loathsome to you, and steeped in vileness, again I say, refrain from screaming. Though the vileness overwhelm you, and cause you a faint unto death, make not that sound from within your throat, neither cover your face, nor press your fingers to your nose. For even now I have made the fish as it should be; behold, I eat of it myself, yet do not die. Concerning Face and Hands Cast your countenance upward to the light, and lift your eyes to the hills, that I may more easily wash you off. For the stains are upon you; even to the very back of your head, there is rice thereon. And in the breast pocket of your garment, and upon the tie of your shoe, rice and other fragments are distributed in a manner wonderful to see. Only hold yourself still; hold still, I say. Give each finger in its turn for my examination thereof, and also each thumb. Lo, how iniquitous they appear. What I do is as it must be; and you shall not go hence until I have done. Various Other Laws, Statutes, and Ordinances Bite not, lest you be cast into quiet time. Neither drink of your own bath water, nor of bath water of any kind; nor rub your feet on bread, even if it be in the package; nor rub yourself against cars, nor against any building; nor eat sand. Leave the cat alone, for what has the cat done, that you should so afflict it with tape? And hum not that humming in your nose as I read, nor stand between the light and the book. Indeed, you will drive me to madness. Nor forget what I said about the tape. Complaints and Lamentations O my children, you are disobedient. For when I tell you what you must do, you argue and dispute hotly even to the littlest detail; and when I do not accede, you cry out, and hit and kick. Yes, and even sometimes do you spit, and shout "stupid-head" and other blasphemies, and hit and kick the wall and the molding thereof when you are sent to the corner. And though the law teaches that no one shall be sent to the corner for more minutes than he has years of age, yet I would leave you there all day, so mighty am I in anger. But upon being sent to the corner you ask straightaway, "Can I come out?" and I reply, "No, you may not come out." And again you ask, and again I give the same reply. But when you ask again a third time, then you may come out. Hear me, O my children, for the bills they kill me. I pay and pay again, even to the twelfth time in a year, and yet again they mount higher than before. For our health, that we may be covered, I give six hundred and twenty talents twelve times in a year; but even this covers not the fifteen hundred deductible for each member of the family within a calendar year. And yet for ordinary visits we still are not covered, nor for many medicines, nor for the teeth within our mouths. Guess not at what rage is in my mind, for surely you cannot know. For I will come to you at the first of the month and at the fifteenth of the month with the bills and a great whining and moan. And when the month of taxes comes, I will decry the wrong and unfairness of it, and mourn with wine and ashtrays, and rend my receipts. And you shall remember that I am that I am: before, after, and until you are twenty-one. Hear me then, and avoid me in my wrath, O children of me. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #530 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?