From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #527 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 527 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tom Rush / McCabe's (SJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Loreena McKennitt (NJC) [Scott Price ] Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] SJC - Sweet Joni / Neil [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: absolute Joni ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Chris Botti on SNL ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Joni in DownBeat [Joseph Palis ] Loreena, Stina, Me`shell [Joseph Palis ] Re: The facts about the music I listen to... (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Both Sides Now [Joseph Palis ] Re: Tom Rush / McCabe's (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Holiday Concerts (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Chris Botti on SNL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Holiday Concerts (SJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Quentin Crisp NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Joni in DownBeat (fwd) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! [Jerry] Millennium Countdown [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Joni's Second Fret Sets. [Siresorrow@aol.com] "Cher Sings The Blues" -- sorry if repost! [Don Rowe ] Today in Joni History - November 21 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Loreena (NJC) [David Wright ] Re: Quentin Crisp NJC (and a hi to everyone) [Bounced Message ] Re: Millennium Countdown [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: "Cher Sings The Blues" -- sorry if repost! [FMYFL@aol.com] re: cumberland island (njc) ["Takats, Angela" ] 'Cry, Cry, Cry' (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni's Second Fret Sets. [Randy Remote ] Re: Millennium Countdown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "The Bonny Swans" (NJC) [David Wright ] Cher, good?? you have got to be joking ["Tony Wyer" ] Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking [Don Rowe ] Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking [GREYC1@aol.com (by way of Les] Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking NJC [MGVal@aol.com] RE: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The proverbial "what should I buy question" and officialde-lurking messa... ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Yet Another Top 100 List - WUMB NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:15:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Tom Rush / McCabe's (SJC) Bob asked: >How big was the venue Tom was playing in? McCabe's is teeny, tiny and that's what makes it great - like a living room concert and usually the artist is just right there hanging out alongside you. It really is a little guitar and music shop and music school with a room in the back for performances. It probably doesn't attract the average concert-goer because it is little, you sit on metal folding chairs and they only serve coffee, tea and homemade cookies ;-) But it does attract the diehard or insider music fans and has hosted every single music notable of the past 40 years, including Joni. And oh, by the way, I did my usual checking out of their latest Joni songbook stock - nothing rare - just the same stuff currently available. Also noticed that they've moved Joni's photos around a bit in the dulcimer section, but at least they are still up! Couldn't help but drool over their incredible array of musical instruments. Was shocked to see some ukuleles going for up to $1,500! They are having a sale on Taylors right now - and you can pick up the Baby with gig bag for $299. They are also offering Brazilian music guitar lessons these days and oh am I sorely tempted - now if I can only find someone to teach me how to sing it, too ;-) > I'm just wondering if he DOES come to the East Coast which local venue he > might be in... From what Brian posted, it looks like the closest for you is Virginia. Might as well go all the way up to Philly and join Brian and Catgirl for the show ;-D Kakki NP: Venice - The Family Tree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:20:50 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt (NJC) At 11:58 PM 11/21/99 -0600, Michael Paz wrote: > As yousual you guys are right again! I love Loreena McKennitt. I just >got "Live in Paris and Toronto" and I think this music is wonderful. >This a very cool recording as well and sounds so amazing for a live >record of acoustic music. Hi Michael, Couldn't resist using your post for a segue to plug Loreena McKennitt. I think LIPAT is THE most amazing live recording I've ever heard. The sonics just totally blow me away...but given the artist's track record for being a stickler about these things, it shouldn't surprise me. If you read a short biography of Loreena you'll find many striking similarities to Joni Mitchell. Born on the Canadian prairies, she first studied classical piano. An only child, Loreena has ALWAYS been, like Joni, true to her muse, not only producing her own albums but squarely placing herself in charge of all aspects of the business...pre- and post-production, marketing, distribution, and a myriad of other responsibilities. Although it's not happened to me (yet!) when you call Quinlan Road, Loreena's all-encompassing record business, it's said that the lady herself will often answer the phone. Loreena travelled throughout central and eastern Canada at first, selling cassettes at street fairs and small venues. She later single-handedly produced her own first album, and again like Joni, has retained most all the rights to her recordings, rather than handing them over to a large record company. And about the music...ahhh.... She fights being categorized as "Irish" or "Celtic" or "New Age" and rightly so, IMO, because while her music does draw elements from these genres, it actually blends these along with world music, pop, rock, and jazz, and the result is very dramatic. She may not be able to paint on canvas like our lady Joan, but man, can she ever paint with music! Always surrounding herself with a most capable group of eclectic musicians, the sounds they produce are incredible...the perfect accompaniment to her lovely soprano, one of my absolute all-time favorite vocalists, which, coupled with her special brand of musical layers, is one of the very few that is capable of moving me to tears. Breathtakingly beautiful stuff here, folks. It's been rumoured that following the tragic boating accident in Canada that claimed the life of her fiance while she was in Europe mixing LIPAT Loreena will be on extended, and perhaps permanent, sabbatical. While I hope that is not the case, that she eventually wishes to share her amazing talents with us once again, if she chooses not to, at least she will have left the "game" at her peak...a very lofty one at that. Scott, not prone to gushing like this very often, but in this case.... :-) P.S.: all proceeds from the album "Live in Paris and Toronto" will be given to the Canadian Coast Guard, boating safety division. This would be a fine album to begin with, if you're interested, although you couldn't go wrong with "The Visit" or "The Book of Songs" as a starting point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:41:15 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) I've just read that apparently the Boston Shows were recorded and JW is very pleased with the sound so they're seriously thinking of a 'live' album (maybe as soon as February next year). Wonder if they'll include the JMDL hoopin' and a hollerin'? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 05:37:58 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: SJC - Sweet Joni / Neil Re: John Low's recent post: <> This is reportly the only performance of this song by Neil. It was recorded at a concert in Bakersfield, CA - 3/20/73. I believe some of the show was released on "Time Fades Away" LP (not this cut though). TFA is one of the "Missing 6" LPs that have not made it to a legitimate CD release yet. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:10:12 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: absolute Joni Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 Victor waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: <> Thank you Victor for your thoughts. I am a James Taylor fan as well, I suppose. My very first big concert was a JT's one. In 1983 he was performing live in Rome and as none of my friends wanted to go, I took a train all by myself for what it seemed to me a big adventure (I was 18). The 4 hour journey was very good fun, I met a bunch of guys on the train rolling joints and singing old songs, and I thought: 'this is like it should have been in the 60s'. The show was great; I was so enthusiastic being there and taking part to that event. I still keep some bad snapshots of James and his band. Going back home was another adventure, late at night with poor transport to the station And then last year I went to another JT show in Naples (I was living there at that time, so no travel adventures). He was promoting Hourglass with an acoustic show, just him, bass and drum player. I waited for him outside the theatre after the show with a small crowd of fans. He was really nice with us, signing autographs and chatting in a pretty good Italian. When I approached him, I shook his hand and the only thing I told him was "Will you say hello to Joni for me please?" and he replied "I will". I'm still wondering if he ever did. That was the closest I got to Joni <> I guess I am a *loyal* Joni Mitchell fan and it is true, as I wrote in my mail, that sometimes I can only listen to her music. Nonetheless, Victor, I have the same hunger for music as you have. Since I was a kid I've always been attracted to those black plastic round things. I cannot think myself without the possibility of listening to music and I love discovering new artists and musical visions. I listen to pop, rock, jazz, classical, world music, whatever touches some of my brain's strings. Joni Mitchell would touch them even if she read her shopping list. But there are *many* artists that can go close. Sting, James Taylor, Pat Metheny, Jackson Browne, Chopin, Mozart, Fiona Apple, Eurythmics, Alice (the most wonderful and talented Italian singer/songwriter), Lhasa (Mexican/Canadian singing in Spanish - just one beautiful CD), Pretenders, Herbie Hancock, Dave Matthews Band, Cassandra Wilson, REM, and many many many more. When I say that very often I find myself listening just to Joni's music is because there I can find all the nuances and emotions I'm expecting from this art. It's like having access to a kind of concentrate which parts I would otherwise find scattered in other artists' work. But or course, one cannot live just out of bread, there needs to be *other* edible things as well. Sorry for the looong message. My best, Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:17:22 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Chris Botti on SNL JulieZWebb wrote: <> Can anyone explain the connection between Chris Botti and Joni Mitchell? Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:23:43 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni in DownBeat I'm sorry if this was already mentioned in the list, but Joni was mentioned and ranked no. 15 (I think) in DownBeat Magazine's Readers' Poll for the "Beyond" Category. Cassandra Wilson seems like the jazz diva for the next millennium. With Billie, Ella and Sarah gone, I would like to think that Cassandra, Diana Krall and Dianne Reeves are worthy successors to these gems of jazz. Joseph np: Charlie Parker's The Cole Porter Songbook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:37:24 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Loreena, Stina, Me`shell I would like to catch up on some threads: (1) I like Loreena McKennit's THE MASK AND MIRROR and THE VISIT albums. Liked her voice and the amount of research and dedication she pours on each song she performs. I was blown away by one of her songs in THE MASK AND MIRROR that tells about a girl pushed by her sisters to the river and transforming her into a swan. Wow! Heard about the fatal boating accident of her fiance and I too hope that she shares with us her genius and inspired musicianship although I am saying that for selfish reasons. She may just retire from the scene at her peak, like someone said in the List. (2) Me'shell Ndeogeocello's lastest album BITTER is incredible. I don't know much about her but I heard many Listers say that BITTER is the album to buy this year. Thanks for the info -- it is one great album that seems to convey more with very little histrionics. It seems that she touches me more through economies of scale (if that makes sense). Do you think her previous albums were just as good? (3) Ever heard of Stina Nordstam? She's got this incredibly soft and wispy kind of voice that also has the immediacy of a cabaret singer. She seems to whisper and on some rainy days, I swear her voice is that of a fairy that is so fragile one should not play her music during daytime or when the sun is bright because it might disintegrate. One should either listen to it on rainy days or very early mornings or very late at night. I hope some could give her a listen. Her "Murder in Mairyland" chills me no end. Joseph (thinks that Marianne Jean-Baptiste of "Secrets and Lies" should have won the Oscars) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:57:53 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The facts about the music I listen to... (NJC) Personally Im into "roots" type music. Real stuff. The less fluff the better although if enough fluff congealed well produces a "core" of feelings then I can get into that. Not to say I dont like synths because I do but the questionj is what kind of music I HAVE to Have. So I haunt the old and used. Old blues festivals from the south or Chicago. Old country, bluegrass etc. basically the stuff without which none of the new stuff would have been possible today. Recently I picked up an old early Gram Parsons album singing with Emmylou Harris (yes Kakki its almost on its way) that has a few songs that just tear me up. Also a Fleetwood mac live gig from Boston in 1969. But very few things grab my soul like the old black bluesmen from the early days. I listen to my Robert Johnson CD over and over. Old Folk music as well. Sonny Terry and Brownie Mcgee. Delta Blues...gotta have it. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:52:12 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Both Sides Now There is a popular Filipino singer/actress who is always endorsing products here in Manila because people find her credible and one with integrity. She just released an album that contains Joni's "Both Sides, Now" and it gets played every 20 minutes in pop radios. Makes me happy that a greater number of people will get to know a beautiful song from a composer as perspicacious, but oddly, I hate the new rendition of Joni's song. It was sung with obvious reverence (she raved about the song in primetime TV and in various newspapers whenever she is interviewed) but it grates on me. I don't know why. Must be because of the nonstop airplay it gets or maybe I just don't like this singer (whose name will not be mentioned here). O well... I just thought that Dianne Reeves' version eclipsed all versions in the past, IMHO. Joseph (heard that Marianne Jean-Baptiste was musical scorer to Mike Leigh's "Career Girls". I always thought she looked like a singer in a smoky lounge -- that beautiful!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:04:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Rush / McCabe's (SJC) Kakki, like an apple-bearing serpent, tempted: <> Boy, that would be great, but I don't know if it'd be worth the price of coming home and finding Valerie waiting for me, frying pan in hand...I haven't told her about N'awlins yet - Yikes! :~D Bob NP: Elvis C.,"Must You Throw Dirt in my Face" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:13:15 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Holiday Concerts (SJC) Leslie Mixon wrote: > Just wondering which concerts list members will be attending during > these holiday months. Last night we saw Joan Baez with Babatunde > Olatunji (wonderful!), upcoming in December is Greg Brown, Chris Smither > (remember him from Tape Tree #3 - was in the radio station studio with > Joni - WMMR?) and Judy Collins performing with the Sacramento Gay Men's > Chorus. > > I've always loved the 3 Js - Judy, Joan & Joni - let's hope next year > brings a Joni tour to support the new album! I'll be doing Judy's Christmas concert December 8th. Then I never miss the Tampa Bay Gay men's Chorus Christmas concert. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:16:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris Botti on SNL Raffaele asks: <> He played trumpet on her TTT tour of '98, he was good although Mark Isham at "Day In the Garden" show was superior... Bob NP: Elvis C., "Payday" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:19:30 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Holiday Concerts (SJC) - --part1_0.ba3d60cd.256a9ce2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all upcoming here in chicagoland- december 10? i believe- hinsdale unitarian church- WATERSONS/CARTHY!!!!! norma waterson, martin carthy, eliza carthy, saul rose. i can't wait! i missed brendan perry w/ kirsten hirsch :( doug np: brendan perry: eye of the hunter - --part1_0.ba3d60cd.256a9ce2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:53:34 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v65.4) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:53:24 1900 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10507; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA14131; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:52:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id AAA14117 for joni-outgoing; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id AAA14109 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cruzio.com (sa-165-227-130-146.cruzio.com [165.227.130.146]) by mail.cruzio.com with ESMTP id VAA00360 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:51:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38378903.68AD607D@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:54:11 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Holiday Concerts (SJC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: Leslie Mixon Precedence: bulk Just wondering which concerts list members will be attending during these holiday months. Last night we saw Joan Baez with Babatunde Olatunji (wonderful!), upcoming in December is Greg Brown, Chris Smither (remember him from Tape Tree #3 - was in the radio station studio with Joni - WMMR?) and Judy Collins performing with the Sacramento Gay Men's Chorus. I've always loved the 3 Js - Judy, Joan & Joni - let's hope next year brings a Joni tour to support the new album! Leslie - --part1_0.ba3d60cd.256a9ce2_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:30:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Quentin Crisp NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > i didn't think much of the movie [or the book either, though i like woolf > very much], but i loved the idea of casting crisp as the QUEEN OF ENGLAND. > the scene in the queen's bedroom is very sweet. i'm sure that i saw the > movie again i would like it a lot better. if i remember it well, i found the > leading actress irritating for some reason. The Naked Civil Servant with John Hurt is a must see. I met Quentin a few times in NYC and NY. He was a real character. But I must say that recent quotes of his relating to sexuality were surprising, especially from a man who fought discrimination all his life. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:31:09 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni in DownBeat (fwd) I'm sorry if this was already mentioned in the list, but Joni was mentioned and ranked no. 15 (I think) in DownBeat Magazine's Readers' Poll for the "Beyond" Category. Cassandra Wilson seems like the jazz diva for the next millennium. With Billie, Ella and Sarah gone, I would like to think that Cassandra, Diana Krall and Dianne Reeves are worthy successors to these gems of jazz. Joseph np: Charlie Parker's The Cole Porter Songbook ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:56:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/12/1999 9:46:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mann@chicagonet.net writes: > > << Some Great Deals for all the JMDLrs tonight!! > > Here's another $10 off $10 Barnes and Nobel. They have Joni's > Anthology in-stock among other Joni goodies! Just ordered > mine thanks to Kaki's earlier post about Anthology. > Here is the coupon code: CZVRCH7 > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ > > This coupon code may also work for you: CBN2222 The first does not work, the cbn# does. And you must be persistent. Their server is screwy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown 49 R.E.M. 48 Billie Holiday 47 Chuck Berry 46 Madonna 45 Stevie Wonder 44 Jimmy Buffett 43 Carlos Santana 42 U2 41 Duke Ellington 40 CSN&Y :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:18:19 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Second Fret Sets. In a message dated 11/21/99 11:22:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, BrianGross@rocketmail.com writes: << WMMR is 93.3 MHz here in Philadelphia >> my favorite dj of all time ever is pierre robaire. last trip i made to philly, i heard him i think on another station. then, i think i heard the zoo guy from mmr on ysp. that is a strange turn of events, if you haven't lived in philly for 15 years. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Cher Sings The Blues" -- sorry if repost! Sent this Friday -- didn't seem to go through -- but with all the Cher discussions over the weekend, it still seems a propos: Okay, so Cher gets signed to the upcoming Joni tribute album and decides she'd really like to do "Furry Sings the Blues" -- which ends up bearing an eerie resemblance to "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves' -- something like: Ol-uh Bee-ya-ull Street is ca-uuumin' day-yun Sweedeez Sa-nay-yuk bah boded up nay-yah ... I just couldn't resist! :-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:13:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 22 1976: The album "Hejira" is released. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:46:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 21 1970: Joni performs at London's Royal Festival Hall. 1975: Joni performs with the Rolling Thunder Revue in Boston singing 'Edith and The Kingpin' and 'Don't Interrupt The Sorrow'. 1982: Joni marries Larry Klein at Elliot Roberts' home in Malibu, California. 1994: Joni performs an acoustic showcase at 41 Queensgate Terrace, London - her first UK appearance in 12 years. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Loreena (NJC) On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Joseph Palis wrote: > I was blown away by one of her songs in THE MASK > AND MIRROR that tells about a girl pushed by her sisters to the river and > transforming her into a swan. That's "The Bonny Swans" -- the text is one of the traditional Child ballads (no. 10, "The Two Sisters"). I love that song too....it's a stunning "soundscape." It introduced me to Loreena. I have two albums of hers and don't plan to get any more (she can get a bit too "precious" for me), but I think this song alone is worth the price of the both albums together. (But I'd say, just stick with The Mask and Mirror.) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:21:31 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Quentin Crisp NJC (and a hi to everyone) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:15:22 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis What a way to get back to the list! I un.sub.scribed to the list because of various trips within the Philippines and abroad and when I subscribed back the first message I saw was Colin's report of Crisp's death. I watched Sally Potter's ORLANDO when it came out around 1995 and was struck by the inherent visual beauty of the film. Being a geographer, I gravitate towards the depiction of places and the re-creation of 1500-era England. Tilda Swinton is an androgynous actress and looks natural to the role. (I even went as far as to watch her other films under the helm of Derek Jarman, and well... some are really acquired tastes) and Quentin Crisp played Elizabeth I so flawlessly that made me recall Jaye Davidson's smashing turn in THE CRYING GAME. Mark, this one's for you: ORLANDO isn't about Orlando at all, but that of the changing face of England. I remembered reading Virginia Woolf's novel and came across a passage that the sunsets we are seeing right now are less beautiful during Elizabethan times because the pollution adds luster to the setting sun (I never thought of pollution as a factor in aesthetics until then). What I found most beautiful in the film ORLANDO is the almost poetic qualities of muted colors played to dramatic effect when Orlando was still a man. The woods, the greeneries, the blinding whiteness of snow were the visual equivalent of Woolf's description. The actors deployed were just as apt: pre-TITANIC Billy Zane, Canada's national treasure and my favorite actor Lothaire Bluteau (JESUS OF MONTREAL, LE CONFESSIONAL) were perfect. I understand that some gender classes in the university where I teach show this film to their students because of the transformation of Orlando, but I see this film as a quietly disturbing film that shows how a thing of beauty is slowly being destroyed. Joseph (glad to be back and is watching "Secrets and Lies" for the 12th time!) > If anyone wants to see a unique, quirky film that features Quentin > Crisp, rent 'Orlando'. It is an adaptation of a Virginia Woolf novel. > Quentin Crisp plays Queen Elizabeth I. If anyone does rent this movie > or has already seen it, I'd love to know what you think of it. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:33:49 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Loreena (NJC) And "Bonny Swans" sounds fabulous on the harp, too! Although I feel a little uneasy singing the verses about how the harper used her breastbone and fingerbones to build the harp and her golden hair for the strings. By the way, a lot of my Celtic musician friends have unkind things to say about Loreena's albums. She uses a lot of major processing on her voice, which the purists despise, and she seems to have a reputation for being "pretentious." But I like her music a lot, and I think she's very genuine and gifted. Regards, Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: David Wright [mailto:David.Wright@oberlin.edu] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:18 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Loreena (NJC) On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Joseph Palis wrote: > I was blown away by one of her songs in THE MASK > AND MIRROR that tells about a girl pushed by her sisters to the river and > transforming her into a swan. That's "The Bonny Swans" -- the text is one of the traditional Child ballads (no. 10, "The Two Sisters"). I love that song too....it's a stunning "soundscape." It introduced me to Loreena. I have two albums of hers and don't plan to get any more (she can get a bit too "precious" for me), but I think this song alone is worth the price of the both albums together. (But I'd say, just stick with The Mask and Mirror.) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:34:16 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown << 48 Billie Holiday >> Joni sang Billie's "Comes Love" on her '98 tour and it will appear on her standards album <<40 CSN&Y>> There's absolutely no way you can connect Joni to CSN&Y. YEAH RIGHT!!! :~) Jimmy, who is so glad Joni hasn't been mentioned yet !!! (maybe Dec. 31) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:54:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Cher Sings The Blues" -- sorry if repost! Don Rowe aka Larry Klein aka Chris Gaines and now a Cher drag queen sings his heart out on "Furry sings the Blues" : << Ol-uh Bee-ya-ull Street is ca-uuumin' day-yun Sweedeez Sa-nay-yuk bah boded up nay-yah ... >> LOL Don, I can just hear her (or you) singing the song now, although with all your personalities, I think we're going to have to start calling you Sybil :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:06:12 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: cumberland island (njc) The wild adventurer Victor wrote: <> Victor, What a wonderful Island this must be...I will place it on my list of 'things to see overseas', thanks for taking the time to write about your adventures (and boy was that an adventure!!) to the list...I really enjoyed reading your post...got any photos on the net of your trip? I'd love to see them. Nature is such a powerful source of inspiration...and I can imagine how 'connected' u must have felt when u were on the Island...it is strange how darker moments (like being stuck in murky swamps, waist deep in mud and water) can 'connect' us in good and bad ways...it's that feeling of helplessness, having to totally submit to the power of nature....as I mentioned in prior posts...these nature experiences really put life into perspective ... OH, I need to get back to the garden AGAIN...thanks Victor (my backyard will have to do for the moment) Ange - hating the four walls of the office Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:10:04 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 'Cry, Cry, Cry' (NJC) Chuck E wrote: >I think of all the worthies mentioned here my next essential purchase is >'Cry, Cry, Cry', >a collaboration of Dar Williams, Lucy Kaplansky and Richard Shindell I recommend it without reservation. Wonderful CD. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:17:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Second Fret Sets. John Low wrote: > And, thirdly, on the tape I have there is a cameo appearance by Neil Young > singing Sweet Joan of Saskatoon. Was this recorded at the Second Fret too? > The sound of the audience on this, compared to the audience on the Joni > tracks, would seem to suggest a larger venue. (Im presuming that the Second > Fret was small.) Does anyone know? > This seems to be the same performance that appeared on a common Neil Young bootleg from the early seventies called "Young Man's Fancy", recorded, I think, at the LA forum. As such,it has no connection with the 2nd frets material and was included at the bootleggers whim. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:04:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Features Patti Smith on "E-Bow the Letter", Patti sings "GLORIA", written by Van Morrison who performed with Joni in '98... his "Down the Road Apiece" covered by the Stones on their EXCELLENT LP The Rolling Stones Now. The Stones also recorded with The Chieftains on The Long Black Veil...the Chieftains also recorded "Magdalene Laundries" with Joni this year, plus Joni sang "Veil" w/ Johnny Cash... her "Like A Virgin" was "Covered" by Weird Al (Like A Surgeon), who also covered "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana, also covered by Tori Amos who performs a superb version of "A Case of You" Appears with Joni on Herbie Hancock's Gershwin's World. Performs "Livingston Saturday Night" in the film "FM", title song by Steely Dan which featured Michael McDonald on "Kid Charlemagne"...Michael duets with Joni on "Good Friends" Duets with John Lee Hooker on "The Healer", on the same record John Lee duets with Bonnie on "I'm In the Mood" which copped him a Lahmmy, oops, I meant to say Grammy...Bonnie covers "Midway"... Features Johnny Cash on "The Wanderer" from Zooropa, Johnny performed with Joni several times... The best I can do at present is that Stevie memorialized him in "Sir Duke", then connect as above... Okay Penny, bring on our next contestants! :~D Bob NP: Elvis C., "Welcome to the Working Week" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: "The Bonny Swans" (NJC) On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Louis Lynch wrote: > And "Bonny Swans" sounds fabulous on the harp, too! I can imagine it must! Loreena plays the harp too, doesn't she? > Although I feel a > little uneasy singing the verses about how the harper used her breastbone > and fingerbones to build the harp and her golden hair for the strings. In other versions of the song it's a fiddle or other instrument (which speaks or sings the story of her sister's treachery). Child writes about and compares a whole bunch of really beautiful, stark Scandanavian versions of the ballad. (But then, in *other* versions of the song, the girl washes up on the miller's dam still alive, and the miller finds her, steals her jewelry, and then drowns her! The miller is put to death for this, and the harp/fiddle part of the story is left out altogether.) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:08:52 -0000 From: "Tony Wyer" Subject: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking Cher? good?? You must be joking! Like most of her body, her music is totally manufactured and plastic. She can not act, and I mean act, but then with a few exceptions, nobody on the west side of the Atlantic can anyway. The one withering look Judi Dench pulled in 'Shakespeare in Love' when holding court to young Will and his rival, was worth more than Cher complete cannon of works. On a Joni List, She is not in the same league. I even find it difficult to imagine someone being a fan of both. regards Tony Tony's Rough Guide to Skiing La Plagne http://www.wyer.force9.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:03:35 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: More Garberek coincidence NJC Hah! The paranoid android in me is hearing so much about JG and the HE (!) that I'm beginning to think that there has been a worldwide conspiracy to keep this lovely music from me at all costs. Now I have heard it, you all have figured the game's up and I'm getting references all over the place! So you thought you could beat me huh? Tried to buy 'Officium' over the weekend, but ended up having to order it, as the shop had the cardboard outer sleeve, but not the CD! (Conspiracy, conspiracy, mutter, mutter.) atb, Martin. Jacky wrote: > Martin, I had a very similar experience. A friend who lives in Brighton > e-mailed to say she had been invited to a Jan Garberek concert but was > letting someone else go instead as she thought it would be too "Jazzy" for > her. Having never heard the name before, I then downloaded my JMDL posts to > find the list full of news about him. I quickly advised my friend to go to > the concert but, too late, she'd sold the ticket. > If you want to know about anything, ask the JMDL! > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking Okay, so just for a moment, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're still suffering from the mind-numbing effects that constant playing of "Believe" had on MOST (but not all) right-thinking music lovers. Surely, in a more lucid moment, you would not think to denegrate the personal tastes of any list member. I think we all have (and play) albums in our collection that would raise an eyebrow here and there, but those are our individual foibles, no more or less so than our love of Joni -- and to them we are justly and fairly entitled. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:19:11 -0000 From: "Tony Wyer" Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking Don; We may all have foibles in our record collection, I certainly have a few......Cecil Taylor's ,'Conquistador' springs to mind, but Cher, well frankly no. Every Joni fan I have met has always had a degree of musical taste, so I can not get my head around the idea of someone having a Cher record alongside one of hers. Its like having say, James Joyce's Ulysses on the shelf next to a Jeffery Archer book (UK joke), all right then, a Harold Robbins book. The two don,t mix! To quote:- "Joni, you have more class than.............." The list starts here and I 'm putting Cher's name at the top. regards (with tongue firmly in cheek) Tony np Ricki Lee Jones, 'Ghetto of My mind' from her Pirates lp. Tony's Rough Guide to Skiing La Plagne http://www.wyer.force9.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking > Its like having say, James Joyce's Ulysses on the > shelf next to a Harold > Robbins book. The two don,t > mix! Oh I like that juxtaposition. In my library, the books would both be in the comedy section -- with one taking itself far too seriously ... I'll let you decide which one is which! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:28:04 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: More Garberek coincidence NJC I wrote a tune (and recorded it) about 10 years ago called "You're late; your Garbarek down?" It was inspired by the Keith Jarrett album "Belonging" featuring JG. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:13:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 23 1985: Melody Maker today publishes a short review on Dog Eat Dog. Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mm851123.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:19:59 -0700 From: GREYC1@aol.com (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking As a diehard Joni Mitchell fan for a good 25-30 years, along with having been a student of jazz for many years, I was somewhat apalled when it was revealed that the love of my life was a Cher fan. (Of course, she wasn't yet the love of my life when that little bit of information trickled my way) In any case, the more I heard the song "Believe" the more it grew on me. That grew into listening to the entire "Believe" album and, horrifying though it may be, I began really enjoying Cher. So much so that I told my partner that I wanted to go with her to see Cher in concert this past summer. Well, I've come to the conclusion that Cher has a really great voice for the kind of music she performs. In fact, some of her songs have even given me goose bumps. I think that's the point...she's good at what she does. She's a performer. Joni is, pure and simple, an amazing songwriter (both musically and lyrically). There is no singer/songwriter out there who even comes close to having the amount of talent that Joni has (notice that I say singer/songwriter). In my book of opinions, she is right up there with the jazz musicians who influenced my musical growth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:49:09 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking NJC In a message dated 11/22/99 11:31:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Tony.Wyer@wyer.force9.co.uk writes: << On a Joni List, She is not in the same league. I even find it difficult to imagine someone being a fan of both.>> Whoa bessie!! Count me in as a Joni fan and a Cher fan! Just because Cher isn't in Joni's league, doesn't mean that she doesn't have merit. Cher is a wonderful actress, tremendous even within her range. I think that Cher does what she does quite well and I love her! MG - also a huge fan of the Monkees and David Cassidy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:51:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking isn't ghetto on flying cowboys? wallyk > np Ricki Lee Jones, 'Ghetto of My mind' from her Pirates lp. > Tony's Rough Guide to Skiing La Plagne http://www.wyer.force9.co.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:33:52 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown 49 R.E.M. 48 Billie Holiday 47 Chuck Berry 46 Madonna Madonna ranked higher than Billie?? Please. That tears it for me as far as this particular list is concerned. It's a joke. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:45:53 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: The proverbial "what should I buy question" and officialde-lurking messa... Nicholas wrote: > The subject says it all... I've been lurking for a few days and I thought > I'd say hello and ask a Joni-related question. Welcome to the list - and here's a suggestion no one else has made yet. I would recommend Miles of Aisles, and/or Shadows and Light for your next Joni purchase. You get a variety of songs from several albums (all very well-performed) which will give you a taste for more! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:49:24 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Cher and Joni...- NJC Kakki wrote: >I was watching yet another VH-1 story about Cher the other night and there >was talk about how her rising film career got cut a little short when she >was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue/Epstein-Barr Syndrome in the late 1980s. >She was offered a role in Thelma and Louise along with some other top films >and had to turn them down because of her illness. It's funny thinking about a different actress in a role like this. I can't imagine anyone better than Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis in these roles, but then it's easy to say that after the fact! But seriously, I don't think Cher would have pulled off the Geena Davis role - not quite enough "innocence"! But maybe Susan Sarandon's role. Maybe. I'm reluctant to even think about it, because Sarandon was so good! Helen - Finally catching up on my mail after a week of work/play/play and play! NP - Supergroove - Sitting Inside My Head (bet no one's heard of them!) _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:50:44 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Yet Another Top 100 List - WUMB NJC Brian wrote: >nw: Arachnophobia (seen it before, but still gives me the willies) And made with the lovely Avondale spiders, from Auckland, NZ - about 5 km from where I'm sitting right now! Not poisonous, though, otherwise I'd be moving! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:53:31 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking > I think we all have (and play) albums in our > collection that would raise an eyebrow here and there, > but those are our individual foibles, no more or less > so than our love of Joni -- and to them we are justly > and fairly entitled. > > Don Rowe Thank you very kindly, Mr. Klein/Gaines/Rowe. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:03:20 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Cher, good?? you have got to be joking NJC MG wrote: >Whoa bessie!! Count me in as a Joni fan and a Cher fan! > >Just because Cher isn't in Joni's league, doesn't mean that she doesn't have >merit. > >Cher is a wonderful actress, tremendous even within her range. I think that >Cher does what she does quite well and I love her! Absolutely. I don't particularly care for her music, although I do like some of her songs. But I've always thought her acting abilities were superb. Let's see - Mask, Moonstruck, The Witches Of Eastwick, etc., etc. And that's the early movies! I've said it before, and I'll say it again - there's no such thing as "bad" taste in music (or actors) just "different" taste. Helen - thinking about changing my signature to what I've written above! NP - Shona Laing - This Moment Here _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:24:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC - Phil Keaggy From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: NJC - Phil Keaggy Hi all, Just a note to say to all the guitar players in JMDL land, Phil Keaggy. We were fortunate enough to enjoy nearly three hours of Phil solo last night. The opening act had to can.cel so Phil played all night. As I said, lucky us. He is just remarkable. Previously we had enjoyed his performance at a showcase in Nashville during summer NAMM, but his part was only one of four others, rotating turns acoustically. At that performance, his version of John the Revelator caused the next performer, Muriel Anderson, to pass. She said she couldn't follow that. I also saw Phil a long time ago with his pre-Christian band, Glass Harp, in 1971 in my hometown of Youngstown, Ohio. Well, today, he literally stuns the audience with his playing. My husband, the guitar player, was amazed. He kept changing the same guitar (Olson) into so many different tunings, effortlessly it seemed, throughout the night and never was out of tune. I highly recommend his show if he comes through your town. Patti This message boun_ced on it's way to Joniland - usually a result of the address from which it came not matching *exactly* any subscriber's address. If this message is from you, contact me so we can resolve the problem. -Les. - ------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #527 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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