From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #516 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 516 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: broken strings [Susan McNamara ] Re: teeth dreams (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: language her-his-its-story (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. [Mark Domyancich ] Re: broken strings [Mark Domyancich ] Re: teeth dreams (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: A Zen Moment ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys [Dflahm@aol.com] NEFest99 Boxed Set Credit-where-due [Chuck Eisenhardt ] It's Clowns' Illusions (NJC, really) [Bounced Message ] Audi Commercial. Whose the voice? [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: A Zen Moment [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Weak and Broke (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Moving and Shaking [Michael Paz ] Relax! & Enjoy! [Michael Paz ] Re: Relax! & Enjoy! ["Kakki" ] JoniFest2000NewOrleans [Michael Paz ] Re: NEFest99 Boxed Set Credit-where-due [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:00:37 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: broken strings Re: Turbulent Indigo maybe this one might not have been written if >she had not moved into the electronic arena. > Not true! Joni wrote this song pre VG8. She has that beautiful guitar with the I Ching design and the cutaway (what brand was that--Martin? Anyone?). Most of her songs on TI use that 12-13 fret riff which I'm sure sounds great on a very good acoustic. Sometimes I'm so frustrated by how dead my strings sound I just do harmonics on the 12fret. Also you are right about the strum on TI. It is one of her frustrating shuffles which is very hard for me to play exactly as she plays it on the record. I think I end up playing 6/8 instead of whatever crazy timesignature she is in. Howard--help me here!! :-) sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:28:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) Jason, a self-professed member of the "Joni Discussion List Teeth Dreamers".... ;-), says: >It's reassuring to know I'm not alone :-) >For me, the actual sensations of my teeth falling out are so vivid, >that I >am always surprised to discover that I am still in possession >of the same >number of teeth as I went to bed with the previous >night. I really can >feel them dislodging from the gums and the subsequent pain. Mine just fall out one by one. I keep spitting them out and feeling horrified by the whole process, but I never feel any pain. I talked to my co-worker/psychologist about what this might mean, and basically, it doesn't mean much. How disappointing! It's probably an anxiety thing, but we're both curious about this - why teeth? is it fear of aging? is it because we need our teeth to eat, and if we can't eat, we die? I remember reading something quite a while back about people's fear of the dark and its somehow relating to the fact that we were once tree-dwellers (uh-huh), and it was "normal" to be afraid of the dark because we weren't nocturnal creatures and night was when all the predators came out. Well, whatever... it may go back to prehistoric/prehysterical/pre-what-happened-way-back-when times. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:32:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: language her-his-its-story (NJC) Apologies if I've sent this twice. genEric says: >But, since it was coined at the end of the patriarchal age, wouldn't >that still make *herstory* history? > Actually I think it's hysterically correct! Whoa, I keep saying I'm going to stay out of this and as usual... Eric, you may have a point there. Do you know that "hysteria" comes from the Greek word for womb, the belief being that hysterical behaviour came about mostly in women, inferior creatures that we are, due to problems with the uterus. In the early days of "medicine", if we can call it that, I understand that women would sometimes be forced to have hysterectomies in an attempt to clear up this "problem". How frightening. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:54:57 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Hope your CD wins a Grammy, and you become really really rich and famous, and purchase the state of Montana and invite us all to live there as a Joni-only community and change the name to Jonitana and secede from the union and live happily ever after and all... >> That would be great, as long as we don't have to drink any Kool Aid :~) Just kidding, I congratulate you too David!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:40:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: See what I mean! but richard don't you know what SHE says? "WELL I CAN BE CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLL BUT LET ME GENTLE WITH YOU" wallyk >For crying out loud. Don't you guys know how to be > shallow, mean spirited, petty, conniving, bitter, or one hundred and one > other petty things most of the world is? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:42:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) go to the hilliard concert, of course!!! wallyk > Can someone here tell me what to do - or should I just stay in and > watch 'Who wants to be a Millionaire? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:12:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) > > > I remember reading something quite a while back about people's fear of the > dark and its somehow relating to the fact that we were once tree-dwellers > (uh-huh), and it was "normal" to be afraid of the dark because we weren't > nocturnal creatures and night was when all the predators came out. I would have thought it is still normal to be afraid of the dark. Not in your home necessarily but outside in the country. It can be really really dark if there is no moon. I would have thought that sighted people use their eyes a lot to survey surroundings-one of the things that makes one feel safe. I certainly feel uneasy in pitch black, epecially if I am walking in it. i used to live in Australia, in the out back, and that is a really spooky landscape at night. new England was also very very dark and lathough i was in a car, i still managed to drive off the road into woods without noticing till it was too late. I tell you that night driving, in the middle of the wilds of maine with nothing around for many miles was very spooky!bw colin > Well, > whatever... it may go back to > prehistoric/prehysterical/pre-what-happened-way-back-when times. > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:51:29 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. Hey now! I've got a Sears Silvertone and it ROCKS! (OK, it's not as great as my Washburn but it sounds good...) ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| Sue writes: > The very simple new tab I'm working on will really piss you off. It's > Comes Love in three chords. Standard tuning. Am E7 D/F# You could > probably play it on the stinky sears guitar you got for xmas in 5th grade. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:17:22 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: broken strings Most expensive is not always the greatest. I've bought several sets of bronze Martin Marquis to later find they break more often then cheaper Martin strings. I used to get these for $9 and up. Dean Markley strings break more often I've noticed. I like light gauge Martins, they're about 5 or 6 bucks. Try a variety of strings, that's probably my best advice. I imagine Joni got the most expensive kind of strings since she can afford it. She may have used custom gauge strings in the past, as in the Shadows and Light tour. If anybody knows those gauges please post them! But now that she uses an electric (I'm tempted to call her a traitor but I know I'll get flamed for that! :-) she probably uses a regular set. I really like .011 GHS Boomers for electric, and I get a wound .018 for the G string (hehehe). I had this on my Blueshawk and it was so sweet! > I must add my thanks to Sue for organizing such a wonderful selection of > Joni's music, as well as all the "tabbers," particularly from the JMDL. And > thank you Marian, for the tuning "database"! Very nice and useful piece of > work! It's a lot of fun to work out these songs and to share them with other guitarists. I always appreciate it when people complement on our work. It feels great! Best, Mark NP-Rusted Root-Voodoo - anybody have a tab for THIS!? Such a wicked song, I would love to learn it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:18:00 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) Vat is wrong mit you peoples? Don ask Carly Jung notink! He knows notink, I tell you! Ven a person dreams of losing hees teeth, eet represents hees fear of loosing sometink very important. Eeder zat, or bubbie's brisket vas cooked too lonk zat night. Be vell, Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:41:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A Zen Moment > > It was such an incredible feeling. Just sitting there watching the man I > love with our two dogs fast asleep on his lap, listening to Joni, together. > It was truly a Zen moment!!! > > Jimmy > This made me a bit misty eyed. What a lovely story! Thank you, Jimmy. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:53:04 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys I'm so green that I honestly don't know if my CD was SELECTED or whether, at this pont, everything released in the last year is allowed to be entered by the various labels. Whatver the case, I thank you for your good wishes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:03:33 -0700 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NEFest99 Boxed Set Credit-where-due I wanted to add my voice to the chorus crediting Les for actually realizing this CD production in the most significant of senses: like, um...'producing' it?? Simply put, Les did all of the hard stuff: getting individual clearances from the performers, trudging to the post office, (oops, out of mailers again!) editing several *more hours of DAT down to the essential bits, smoothing it all out, finalizing a master, until you can't even stand to hear it anymore...doing one-offs, arranging for larger runs, keying the other contributions like Catgirl graphics, all these disparate elements ... there may be more ... This is a humble man we have at the helm of good ship JMDL, you know? If you could all take out your Flair-pens, please write in Les Irvin on the liner notes as producer. Paz and I can take credit for remote sound engineering, I'm sure...or, or, or maybe ... we are ALL just JMDL Productions! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:04:35 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: It's Clowns' Illusions (NJC, really) From: "lrfye" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:36:40 -0600 Hi All, I've been off-list for months, dropping in for only the occasional peek-n-lurk, while I've been changing jobs, falling back in love with a flame of many, many years ago, and moving cross-country ... Perhaps this has been posted before, but last night I found myself giggling almost hysterically over this line in the well-written but otherwise rather depressing book She's Come Undone by Wally Lamb: "It's clowns' illusions I recall, I re-ally don't know clowns . . ." <|: ) Still chuckling, Lori Philadelphia (formerly San Antonio) NP: Jonatha Brooke Live (thanks, Brian Gross, for a terrific = concert!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:39:49 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Audi Commercial. Whose the voice? Has anyone seen/heard the new Audi commercial? I just saw it tonight for the first time during the 10:00 news. The volume was on low because the boys are asleep. What I heard of the voice singing sounded alot like Joni. Could it be? Les? Wally? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:01:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: A Zen Moment In a message dated 11/16/1999 1:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Those were his favorites. It was such an incredible feeling. Just sitting there watching the man I love with our two dogs fast asleep on his lap, listening to Joni, together. It was truly a Zen moment!!! Jimmy >> Jimmy!!! Does this mean We are hangning out together in New Orleans??? I hope so. BTW, the Jimmy in my intro on the Boxset is YOU!!!! Hugs! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:05:51 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Weak and Broke (NJC) Richard Rice wrote: "Hi Mark, Welcome to the list! I have to agree with you Mark on the expense of that D28. Thanks a lot Sue! You too Howard, Michael et al. Real nice. Don't be hiding your heads. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Thanks to you I have had to fork over huge buckage for a VG8 and Parker! (Which still hasn't arrived yet.) I hold you ALL accountable! It is YOUR fault!!! And all I have to say is, "You better knock it off!" You know we are weak. So weak... So poor now... But oh so very, very blessed. Thank you all. --Now stop it! (Anyone done any new tabs?)" The Last Time I Saw Richard he had a pocket full of cash. Now he's got a head full of dreams and blisters on his fingers. You are weak! Now sign the paper! Put on these tennis shoes, drink this gruel, and lie down under this blanket.... Michael P.S. Your very welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:21:18 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Moving and Shaking Just had to share this with my friends. Last night after a wonderful dinner, my partner and I discussed next years vacation plans. I brought up Jonifest in New Orleans, and how I would love to meet these wonderful people (in person). I have read some of the great JMDL posts to him, so he knows how intellectual, caring, funny, etc............you are. What he didn't know was there were so many JMDLers who were so musically talented. I don't have the Jonifest box set (yet), but I played the CD that fellow JMDLer Steve Polifka sent me last week. If any of you have heard Steve sing, you know what talent he has. If you haven't heard him, go to Jonifest in May. I know he's bringing his dulcimer to New Orleans and you'll get a chance to hear his WONDERFUL voice. After we listened to Steve's collection of great songs, Ed (my partner) asked me more questions about the JMDL and Joni's music. He's always liked Joni, but his appreciation was limited to her first six releases. I told him how Hejira is a favorite of so many people and he asked me to play the CD. So I put "The Book of Poems and Lyrics" in his hand as he reclined on the sofa with a glass of wine, and our two dogs in his lap. We listened to Hejira as he read all of the lyrics. He was astounded by not only the music, but by Joni's words. When he read the lyrics to the song "Hejira," he was particularly awestruck. "We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone" and "And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Those were his favorites. It was such an incredible feeling. Just sitting there watching the man I love with our two dogs fast asleep on his lap, listening to Joni, together. It was truly a Zen moment!!! Jimmy This is a very beautiful story that has touched me deep inside like many of the heartfelt stories I have read in these pages. I am really glad you all (that's New Orleans for yous guys) are thinking of coming down for our little Joni Carnival. Best Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:24:16 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Relax! & Enjoy! Jerry Wrote: "I can second that. Steve and I met at Joni's Jazz and became long, lost Joni-Lovers instantly. I have his cd Cobalt Blue (which he is sure to do in N.O.) and even a video of his Two Gray Rooms. He is very, very talented and those at JoniFest 2000 are in for a treat." Jerry- I am dying to hear this boy sing. He has been teasing me all week about sending me a tape. I was talking to my friend to day about recording this event, so that Les and Chuck can just relax and play music. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:38:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Relax! & Enjoy! Michael wrote: > Jerry Wrote: > "I can second that. Steve and I met at Joni's Jazz and became long, lost > Joni-Lovers instantly. I have his cd Cobalt Blue (which he is sure to do in > N.O.) and even a video of his Two Gray Rooms. He is very, very talented and > those at JoniFest 2000 are in for a treat." > > Jerry- > I am dying to hear this boy sing. He has been teasing me all week about > sending me a tape. I was talking to my friend to day about recording > this event, so that Les and Chuck can just relax and play music. Along with some other big surprises I received Steve's Cobalt Blue CD in my mailbox yesterday and it is VERY beautiful. I'm thrilled to hear that he will be joining the gang in New Orleans. Michael, I'm sure glad you have planned to have the Fest stretch over four days so we can just wallow in the music, music, music. Kakki NP: Seal - Dreaming in Metaphors ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:39:19 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: JoniFest2000NewOrleans Hello Joni Fans- Here is the confirmed list of attendees to JoniFest2000New Orleans. More and more people are signing up everyday. I am going to post the info one more time as several people have asked me to do so and I apologize to the list for doing it here, but hey we're having a little party here and we wanna make sure nobody gets left out in the rain (like that damn cake). Airport transportation will be handled by me and a very good Limo driver friend of mine (Jack) who will also be performing some Joni stuff for us. Ashara&Sal Chuck and Barb WallyK MG CatGirl + eric Bob Muller Kakki + Julie Terry Marian Steve and Leslie Mixon waytoblu@mindspring.com (Victor) Ric Brett Code Jimmy FMYFL@aol.com Lori Reason Les Irvin Barbara Burst Marcel and Wife Julian51469@aol.com + wife Jerry Notaro Steve polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us ***If your name does not appear here please email me. I used an extensive amount of drugs in the sixties and sometimes lose track.... At this time I see the events panning out kinda like this: Friday-Private Dinner and Cocktails at my home, rehearsals, general partying. Saturday-Group Dinner in the French Quarter, more music. Sunday-Morning Load In at Howlin' Wolf, Sound Check, 2pm-6pm Joni Fest List Members Only Brunch with performances by list members on stage. Break for a couple of hours to charge batteries. 8pm concert opened to the public and featuring already confirmed artists; David Lahm, Brian Thomas, Marian Russell with some surprises I am still working on. Monday-Swamp Tours, sightseeing, spa day, medical attention at a local hospital, martinis at the lovely Columns on St. Charles Ave., shopping, etc. Let the ideas and discussion begin. Looking forward to being with all of you. Love Michael Print out this form and fill out and send to the Holiday Inn via fax or mail. Please copy me on the dates you will be here so I can keep track of when and where everyone will be. This is a really nice hotel and it is crawling distance from the venue where we are going to have two of the events. It is also very close to the French Quarter and Riverwalk mall. * Reservations should be made as soon as possible to insure your spot. You can always cancel them if necessary. Hotel Reservation Form Holiday Inn Select Guest Room Reservation/Billing Authorization Form Name(s)___________________________________________ Arrival Date__________________ Departure Date______________________ Room Request (circle) King Double/Double Smoke Non-Smoking Room Rate $99.00 per night + 11% tax + $1.00 Occupancy x # nights____$99.99 $10.89 Total $110.89 Method of Guarantee Visa Mastercard American Express Discover Diner Other (Name)__________________________ Credit Card #_____________________________Exp. Date_____________ Signature_______________________________________________________ Mail or fax this form directly to: Holiday Inn Select New Orleans Convention Center 881 Convention Center Blvd. New Orleans, La. 70130 ATTN: Reservations (888)524-1881 Vox (504)528-1005 Fax It would be helpful to me if you forward me a copy of this form as well so I can keep track of everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:43:04 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NEFest99 Boxed Set Credit-where-due In a message dated 11/17/1999 12:27:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: << doing one-offs, arranging for larger runs, keying the other contributions like Catgirl graphics, all these disparate elements ... there may be more ... >> I can't take credit for the graphics. I told Les about Neat-o.com and he downloaded the software to make the tray liners and booklet covers. He then emailed me the material and I just changed it a tad and then printed them on this fancy perforated paper that I got and mailed them back to him.. He designed the whole thing! This is his baby...and it came out beautifully!!! BRAVO LES!!! WHOO-HOOO! Catgirl ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #516 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?