From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #515 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 515 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: S+L and M of A on cd ["Raffaele Malanga" ] NJC Boston and Jimmy Webb [Robert Holliston ] Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Sib content!) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Bob Said (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I wanna see starz. NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Bob Said (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] broken strings [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: Music... -> Now loaded language (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] MacArthur Park (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Joni-Jimmy Webb connection... [Steve Polifka ] Re: language her-his-its-story(NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. [Susan McNamara ] Re: broken strings--- back to you, Sue [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: MacArthur Park (NJC) ["Kakki" ] dulcimer songs [Susan McNamara ] RE: Costing a Mint. And a half. (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: broken strings [Siresorrow@aol.com] A Zen Moment [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: A Zen Moment [Jerry Notaro ] Meshell [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re; S&L and M of A on CD [Martin Giles ] Re: Joni voted top 20 (now Madonna NJC) [Jason Maloney ] RE: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys [Louis Lynch ] John Hall Relases Holiday Single ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: language NJC (long) [catman ] Wally and Joni photograph [Pat Hilllis ] Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified ["Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: S+L and M of A on cd Martin wrote: <> Hello Martin and everyone, I was just wondering about the difference HDCD makes... I have got S&L on the first CD edition. Does the HDCD version sound better? Of course the fact that the double CD have all the songs is enough of a reason to buy it. But, in general, are HDCDs worth buying in terms of sound quality? BTW: I am so glad that in London and UK there are so many listers and Joni fans! We should meet sometimes. My best Raffaele (in London) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:16:01 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: NJC Boston and Jimmy Webb Hey gang! Just got home from a wonderful weekend in beautiful Boston, spent with great friends. I went ostensibly to see the Boston Lyric Opera's production of Aida, as a close friend was making her company debut in the title role. She sang beautifully and it was a thrill to see and hear her, but the production was very ho-hum. (I'm afraid I just don't "get" Aida - I love other Verdi operas, but this one strikes me as a big old bore). I attended an Aida matinee: that evening I saw Noel Coward's play Waiting In The Wings, starring Lauren Bacall and Rosemary Harris. The less said about it the better. BUT!! The night before found me at Sculler's with Chuck and Barbara, Ashara and her friend Margaret, Patrick, and Anne. Jimmy Webb's show was by far the cultural highlight of my trip - song after song, many so familiar but seemingly heard for the first time, was moving and beautiful (I don't think any of us made it through the show dry-eyed). His piano playing is so rich and textured and his singing emotionally direct without a hint of hamminess. I can hardly wait to pick up his album, "Ten Easy Pieces." After the show, we went back to Chuck and Barbara's beautiful house and enjoyed hours of conversation and great company - Anne treated us to a performance of one of her songs, which was stunning!! Thank you, Chuck and Barbara, for your generous hospitality! As y'all may infer, this was a small but significant JMDL gathering, and in the name of great songwriting. It truly is worth travelling across the continent (and even braving a boring opera ;-) to spend time with fellow JMDLers! And speaking of which, thank you so much, Ric, for taking the time to meet me at the airport - it was waters of the moon to see you again. We missed you on Saturday night, but I can safely say that we all send our love and very best wishes! And that is all, except that I left Boston with a tear in my eye, as I always leave New York... love to all, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:31:42 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Sib content!) The Jane Siberry roadshow came to the west of Ireland last night. It was cold outside and I was tempted to stay home and watch the 11 O'Clock Show. But the thought of poor Jane Siberry playing in The Rosin Dubh and struggling to be heard over the din from the front bar and the cackling chat up lines of college students and tourists, made me go along with the intention of giving her some moral support. My fears were unfounded, the Monday night crowd in the front bar was unusually quiet, there wasn't a backpacker in sight and the students were studying for their end of term exams. Instead the back room was filled with an audience of enraptured Siberry fans. She played their requests and they sang along when asked to on hits like Calling All Angels. For me the highlight was Mimi On The Beach which had a cinematic quality to it. It was an evening with a lot of heart and humour and funny dolls. I'm really glad that there is a Jane Siberry out there selling her cds out of a suitcase and refusing to conform to the music industry's homogenised idea of how things should be. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:51:39 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Said (NJC) I was shocked when I got it it looked so professionally done. This is an example of what makes the JMDL so unique. Think about it one person throws a three day jam-party at her HOUSE, another captures it on tape, another creates a beautiful CD. My standing O is for everyone involved. Thanks for the memories. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:59:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys David, Congratulations on the well-deserved Grammy "pre-nomination"...It's gotta be very exciting, and also affirming that the work you created is the great work that it is! Keep us posted! We're all pulling for you!! Bob NP: Joni & The Chieftains, "Magdalene Laundries" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:00:06 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: I wanna see starz. NJC In a message dated 11/15/1999 5:56:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << << << The Outlaw Josey Wales - I've seen it umpteen times, but it's on telly and I couldn't resist having a "quick look". >> >> Now heres a great thread. I have the same problem. Theres certain movies I always watch again and again when they are on the tube. A partial list: Jeremiah Johnson Patton Being There Airplane Any Marx Brothers movie Amadeus Once Upon a time in the West...just to name a few >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:15:12 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) Patrick wrote: >after he played it for her, she said (veddy british accent) 'that's silly'. As I've heard it said, "unrequited love" means 'falling for someone with absolutely no taste'. PaulC who can't go on living in London. Tonight (Tuesday) we have Taj Mahal & Toumani Diabate (kora player) at the Royal Festival Hall Joe Zawinul & Mark Isham at the Barbican Centre Jan Garbarek & The Hilliard Ensemble at the Royal Albert Hall Willard White sings Paul Robeson at the Queen Elizabeth Hall Martin Hayes & Dennis Cahill (just the best, most achingly beautiful Irish fiddle and acoustic guitar you're ever likely to hear) at the Purcell Room and tomorrow it's 'The Songs of Robert Wyatt' at the Festival Hall (John in Sydney - if they record this for radio I'll send you a copy!) Can someone here tell me what to do - or should I just stay in and watch 'Who wants to be a Millionaire? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:28:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Said (NJC) <> And while the grand mutual admiration society is in Fall Session, what's the story behind your "studio" contribution to the collection, Marcel? Wow! It's gorgeous! I had it in my car player last night, and when I heard "For Free" for the first time, I damn near drove my car into the Taco Bell! REALLY NICE! And that comes from someone who's been known to nail a performer for a shoddy Joni cover! :~) Bob NP: The Chieftains, "Raglan Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:01:45 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: broken strings I don't mind being a strange bird. Many guitarists won't have anything to do with alternate tunings... they are such a hassle! ... a hassel to learn new fingerings, broken strings, picking up the guitar to play Inagoddaddavida and finding it in CGDCGD. And the VG8 (as wonderful it is in its own right) really is no substitute for the rich overtones of an acoustic. But I'll hassle with it, because I want that SOUND. How else can you play Barandgrill or That's the Way or Suite: Judy Blue Eyes? One solution is to have a bunch of acoustic guitars (no, I don't! I have only two). You can't have one for each tuning, of course, but it does help to at least keep one in "standard" tuning and one for altered tunings. You players probably have already thought of these, but: Buy the same brand and type of strings, so at least if you break something other than the high E, you'll have matching spares. If you can find a brand that you like that has single strings available, buy some extra high E-s, and whatever else you break the most. Find a source you like online, and buy in bulk (I'm using www.musiciansfriend.com but if you find a better source, post here). Raise and LOWER tuning slowly. I'm amazed at how often a string breaks while lowering the tension! Go about halfway, and let it rest a second, and then go on the rest of the way to your desired pitch. One nice thing about breaking strings is that I do seem to wind up with fresher strings... I'm forced to re-string more often than my frugal soul would otherwise! Do any of you feel that a certain brand of strings is more resistant to breaking due to up-and-down tuning? I have never really been able to tell. I'm presently using D'Addario 80/20s. Does anyone know the brand and type Joni prefers for acoustic guitar? I must add my thanks to Sue for organizing such a wonderful selection of Joni's music, as well as all the "tabbers," particularly from the JMDL. And thank you Marian, for the tuning "database"! Very nice and useful piece of work! Love you Dan <----- lefty in a righty world NP Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:09:33 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Music... -> Now loaded language (NJC) Well, here we go again. I toss off a comment that turns out to be a handgrenade, or perhaps a nail bomb, disappear for a couple of days, then come back to find I've unwittingly unleashed a mini-Armageddon (maybe it should be Limbageddon, so the legs don't feel left out!) How typical. I'm an Aries. What do you expect? I think I understand David's point but again, I must say, people need to be *made aware*. If coining new words such as "herstory" captures the attention of some people, then perhaps it serves a purpose (or did when it first appeared). But I'm still laughing at the reworkings of Joni's song. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com >Kakki wrote (and like Wally, I'm still giggling): > > >You think I'm like you mother, or another person with whom you have been > >intimate, or your sister or a person you have idealized > >But I feel I must correct one or two things. The lines really should read: > >You think I'm like your democratically-appointed primary care-giver, or >another person with whom you have been intimate, or your opposite-gender >sibling or a person you have idealized. > >If your going to be politically correct, Kakki, you could at least >endeavour >to be precise! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:20:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni and me (A de-lurking newby's first post) Rick wrote: >Hello to all of you and let me say "wow" up front. I've been a joni->digest >subscriber for two weeks now and I have to say that I'm >astounded at what >I've been reading (every night faithfully, I must >add). More on that later >but first, my Joni history (whoops!) [...] A belated welcome to you, Rick. It's nice to hear a new voice, especially when it sounds as reasonable as yours. And your Joni history is wonderful! Take care. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:48:53 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: MacArthur Park / Jurassic Park - (NJC) After this weekend's Jimmy Webb concert, I decided to go poking around his web site. One feature is a songwriting contest (of COURSE I entered something - it's a fill in the blanks type thing - definitely fun to do) Anyway, JW gives this as an example of "fill in the blanks" I thought it was cute and clever :-) anne Song Title: Jurassic Park Submitted by: Michael Crichton Jurassic Park is melting in the dark, All the bright red blood is flowing down Oh someone left the Jeep out in the rain I don't think that I can take it Cause T-Rex took so long to shake it And I'll never drive that Cherokee again Oh no, Oh no, No ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:08:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: language NJC (long) Debra wrote: "What does it say about a society that makes it obvious that the marital status of a woman must be public knowledge, but not that of a man? That issue led to the use of Ms. as a title for women in addition to Miss or Mrs. That word was harshly ridiculed at first, and probably there are many people even now who make fun of it, but I'm very glad to have Ms. as an option. Strangers and prospective employers might want to know my personal situation, but it's really none of their business. Men have always been allowed that autonomy; why not women?" That's something that has always irritated me. When I get a form that asks me to tick off one of Mrs, Miss, Ms, Mr, I don't tick any box. I just leave it blank. They're not going to refuse my insurance claim or my credit card application for lack of a meaningless title, and the only reason they might want or need to know about the existance of a spouse if where you're applying jointly for a loan or a credit card. I don't care for titles at all and I agree that in most cases, one's title or marital status is totally irrelevant. In fact, I can't think of a case where it IS relevant, except perhaps when going for a marriage license. But then, I suppose, if one were going to be a bigamist, lying about one's marital status would be nothing! If we want to be formal, why not just address others by their first and last name, so I'd be "Catherine McKay" in a formal situation, but "Catherine" to my friends, and so on. Neither the word "Mrs" nor the word "Miss" mean anything either. "Mrs" is rarely spelled out as "Missus", unless a writer is attempting to use a dialect in a bit of dialogue (does anyone pronounce it any other way?). They're both short forms of the word "Mistress" (as in mistress of the house for those of you with dirty minds!) where one came to mean a married woman and the other an unmarried woman. But as words themselves they don't mean anything, so Ms is as good as either of them, shorter to spell and easy to say. If we must use titles at all, Ms works for me. Mr. (or Mister) is apparently a "weakened form of Master", according to my Oxford Concise. And does anyone remember young men (presumably unmarried) being referred to as "Master"? My old aunties used to write to my brother when we were kids addressing the envelope to "Master Michael McKay". And back then, married women didn't just called themselves "Mrs. Mary Smith" - no, they were "Mrs. John Smith" and I remember fairly recently dealing with some older ladies who were adamant about being called "Mrs. John Smith". Talk about being absorbed into your marriage. Apparently if you divorced, you would still retain your ex-husband's name, but then you would be "Mrs. Mary Smith", so I guess it may have been a source of shame to be thought of as a divorced woman. Tantamount to being a hussy (which ironically is a corrupted version of "Housewife", something the Mrs. John Smiths aspired to be, fought hard to be, and defended to the death their right to be.) Debra also said: "I do my best to ignore the "when I became a man..." reading from Corinthians, for example." Paul was writing, and Paul was a man, so it makes sense there. On the other hand, you'd have to go back to the original text - maybe something was lost in the translation. If Paul were writing about people in general, rather than himself, he could have said "When you become an adult..." or something like that. As far as church hymns are concerned, let's face it - a lot has changed since many of these were written and much of it is not relevant to today's society. "Onward, Christian soldiers" is a good example of one that doesn't make much sense (maybe it never did). I was raised as a Catholic and it seems to me there was an overabundance of hymns dwelling on gore. I remember one with a phrase that went something like "blood and water gushing from his side". Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:41:26 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: MacArthur Park (NJC) Kakki wrote: >Supposedly Jimmy planned a birthday party for a >true love, Susan, one afternoon at the park. He also planned to propose >marriage to her that day. He asked and she said "no" and he was devastated. I had just been dumped by a girl in Westchester when the song came out. I had no problem at all interpreting it as a lost-love song. :) (From memory) I will take my life into my hands And I will use it I will win the worship in their eyes And I will lose it I will drink the wine while it is warm And never let you catch me looking at the sun And after all the seasons (?) of my life Yes after all the seasons (?) of my life I'll be thinking of you And wondering why Sigh. Good stuff. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:11:03 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni-Jimmy Webb connection... Hello All! I've been reading all these interesting posts about Jimmy Web; his stellar performances and Joni connection. Did you know he produced a Supremes album (after Diana) and one of the songs is "All I Want?" It's an obvious Jimmy Webb arrangement, but I like it - Oh yea, I HAVE the album... Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:20:10 +0100 From: "Lori REASON" Subject: Re:Jimmy Webb - All I Know (NJC) If I could get a flight I'd join you in the Purcell Room - just a thought. - -hgv (Lori - not Lorry) ******PaulC who can't go on living in London. Tonight (Tuesday) we have Taj Mahal & Toumani Diabate (kora player) at the Royal Festival Hall Joe Zawinul & Mark Isham at the Barbican Centre Jan Garbarek & The Hilliard Ensemble at the Royal Albert Hall Willard White sings Paul Robeson at the Queen Elizabeth Hall Martin Hayes & Dennis Cahill (just the best, most achingly beautiful Irish fiddle and acoustic guitar you're ever likely to hear) at the Purcell Room and tomorrow it's 'The Songs of Robert Wyatt' at the Festival Hall (John in Sydney - if they record this for radio I'll send you a copy!) Can someone here tell me what to do - or should I just stay in and watch 'Who wants to be a Millionaire? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:28:45 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: language her-his-its-story(NJC) Thanks, Vince, for your explanation of some of the translations of biblical stuff. I didn't realize that some of it was intentional - I figured it was just inherently biased (i.e., the translators may not have been aware of it, or may have misinterpreted something - new translations of the Bible are always being done and I see this as a good thing.) Vince also wrote (this is getting confusing now, isn't it?) >Eric Taylor wrote: > > > Marcel claims: > > > > << The reality is TIME is gender free. There is no HIS-story or >HER-story. > > The word itself is not derived from a gender applied to the word. >> > > > > Tell THAT to Father Time! > > From what I understand Herstory was coined in the 1960's to describe > > matriarchal cultures of pre-Greco-Roman-Christian Eurasia & America. So >it > > is historically correct.... > > E.T. > >So Marcel is still absolutely right... and so is Eric! > >Cool! > >(the Rev) Vince > You also mentioned different versions of "A might fortress is our God" and even though we did sing that in the Catholic church back in the days when I used to go, I don't think we used either of the two phrases that come after "...is our God". But darned if I can remember what we did sing! In German, it starts off, "Ein feste Berg ist unser Gott", where Berg can mean fortress - but it can also mean mountain! Some cultures refer to their homeland as the fatherland, others as the motherland. I wonder if you could link that into the way their societies function with regard to sexual equality (or lack thereof)? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:30:33 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: broken strings >I don't mind being a strange bird. > Is that a mix between a Strange Boy and a Sweet Bird? :-) Thanks for the primer on strings. I had an E string break on me last night lowering it from E to B. It's like getting the bends, I guess. Going into the depths too fast!! :-) Does everybody else go through this: Ok, I've played Magdalene Laundries about 50 times in a row because I know I want to go back to the Carolina Kitchen tuning (CGDFCE) to play Sisotowbell Lane but I know, like waiting for the other shoe to fall, that I am going to break a string. I compromise by trying to bring the E down to a B to play Turbulent Indigo and the string broke anyway!!! So I turn my head back (I'm afraid of getting a pinging string stuck in my eye) and I grit my teeth and I just start turning the pegs. It's inevitable. It's like a gun going off! I'm in awe of my Ovation's neck too. I'm waiting for it to fall off in my hand some day. I like the Martin silk and steel strings, and I really need to buy some more soon. Thanks for the tip on the online site. I also appreciate the kudos on our Guitar site! Many dedicated people work hard to keep that going. Unfortunately I don't feel like I've been doing my part lately and I'm looking forward to the Thanksgiving break to get some real updates posted. Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:11 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. Hi Richard: I'm sorry we've had so much power over your pocketbook. And we don't even do telemarketing! Nor do we get commission from Roland, so who's the dope here? :-) The very simple new tab I'm working on will really piss you off. It's Comes Love in three chords. Standard tuning. Am E7 D/F# You could probably play it on the stinky sears guitar you got for xmas in 5th grade. :-) The best part comes in the singing! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:59:10 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Re: broken strings--- back to you, Sue Sue, your email made me laugh. We "broken string people" can commiserate together on our woes, but we have joys that the "standard-tuning-only folks" will not know! < So I turn my head back (I'm afraid of getting a pinging string stuck in my eye) and I grit my teeth... It's like a gun going off!>> I also often pick up the guitar, find it in some strange tuning, and then instead of playing what I had intended, I play the song the tuning is for instead, (at least once before going to the other tuning). Another strange thing is when someone picks up one of my guitars and it's in EEEEBE tuning (a favorite of Stephen Stills) or something, and fingers a "D" chord. "What is THIS?" This provides me with an opportunity to evangelize for joys of alternate tuning. I've found a few Joni Mitchell fans that way. Two weekends ago, I met a singer-songwriter that I've always enjoyed. She sings Christian music (her name is Lisa Tracy) and she uses alternate tunings (open G in particular). And she has one of those incredibly pure voices like Joni does... I can't describe it well, but it almost seems as if so many others have clashing frequencies in the notes that they sing. But when someone like Joni or Lisa sings, it's more like an instrument whose multiple layers of strings have been tuned by a master so that they are "beatless" (a piano tuner's term). Anyway, Lisa kindly showed me how to play one of her songs, "Treasure in an Earthen Vessel" that I have loved for so long, and we spent some time sharing our admiration for artists like Joni and Van Morrison and others. (I'd always suspected she was a JM fan!) ==== Another thing I was wondering... Are all the dulcimer tabs collected somewhere under one heading? Or is there a way to search the tabs for the ones that are tabbed for dulcimer? I just got my first dulicimer, so I'll have to check those out now. Love you, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:16:27 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: MacArthur Park (NJC) Steve waxed and sighed: > And after all the seasons (?) of my life > Yes after all the seasons (?) of my life > I'll be thinking of you > And wondering why > > Sigh. Good stuff. It's "after all the LOVES of my life, after all the loves of my life I'll be thinking of you, and wondering why........" And then the last note holds and ends hauntingly. Sigh indeed. It's no wonder one gets a tear in the eye listening to so many of his songs. When the song came out, my boyfriend, who was a couple years older than me, was going away to college and I never knew if I'd ever see him again, so in a way this was a break-up song for me, too. He was my first "musician" boyfriend and also totally idolized Webb. On our first date he took me to a recital where he played a selection of Webb songs. I recall sitting in the audience even getting hit in the solar plexus even way back then. Years later we became reacquainted and he is now married to a friend of mine and lives a couple miles from you, Steve ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:14:55 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: dulcimer songs Dan asked: > >Another thing I was wondering... Are all the dulcimer tabs collected >somewhere under one heading? Or is there a way to search the tabs for the >ones that are tabbed for dulcimer? I just got my first dulicimer, so I'll >have to check those out now. There are only 4 dulcimer songs and they are all on BLUE: All I Want Carey California A Case of You I'm pretty sure all 4 dulcimer tabs are there on the site (am I wrong?) but you can also get at least 3 of the tabs from the Hits and Misses books (All I Want is not there). Good luck with your new dulcimer! > >Love you, >Dan Aw shucks, love you too Dan!! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:25:43 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Costing a Mint. And a half. (njc) <> OMIGOD, Sue! How did you know???? Mine was the deluxe (hah!) plywood model with the wide, concave, unvarnished neck. I swear I still have callouses up to my elbows!!! Still, it was a damn sight better than the plastic ukelele with the catgut strings that were red, green, yellow, and black. (Yup, I actually tuned it to something like open G and played my own versions of chords on it - just playing by ear... gee I wonder if Joni's early experience with ukelele was similar ;-) I guess maybe that early experience explains a lot... did I mention that I had to practice in the attic (100+ degrees in the summer and probably about 30 in the winter) because my parents believed that (I SWEAR MY MOTHER SAID THIS DAILY!!!) "children should be seen and not heard." anyway, it made my love for music stronger - and probably made me a better player - the first time I played a 'real' guitar it was SO EASY!!! thanks for reminding me of those days anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:44:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) Evian on the subject of toothless dreams, says: >Oh God, this is so bizarre. I often have the dream of losing my >teeth. I'm not sure, but I think this is one of those archetypal dreams - a very common one, like the one where you're trying to get somewhere and can't get there for various reasons, or the writing an exam naked one (I've never actually had one of those!) I have a co-worker who is studying psychology so I'm going to ask her if she knows anything about it. I bet Jung had something to say about it. Likewise those little cheapo booklets that they sell at supermarket checkout counters (with titles like: "101 dreams and what they mean", that kinda thing - you find them near the horoscope thingies, not far from the sleazy tabloids with stories about Oprah and Kathy Lee and the Jon-Benet Ramsay murder and so on.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:26:29 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: broken strings In a message dated 11/16/99 11:34:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << I compromise by trying to bring the E down to a B to play Turbulent Indigo >> i tried working this song out a few months ago and i had a hard time finding the timing and strum, even while playing along to the cd. i do think you have the song right, and the tuning sounds exactly right. i also thought this one particular song is much more friendly to the electric guitar because it plays so high on the fret board. i have very low action on my acoustic, but it still seems that the 12th fret is very hard hold pitch and key when played in barre, regardless of the tuning. the notes just seem to move around that high up. maybe this one might not have been written if she had not moved into the electronic arena. and to the guy who's griping about spending $1100 on a d28, get over it. i've never seen one for anything less that $1700 and that is including a good discount. it sounds to me like you're lucky. pat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:34:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: A Zen Moment Just had to share this with my friends. Last night after a wonderful dinner, my partner and I discussed next years vacation plans. I brought up Jonifest in New Orleans, and how I would love to meet these wonderful people (in person). I have read some of the great JMDL posts to him, so he knows how intellectual, caring, funny, etc............you are. What he didn't know was there were so many JMDLers who were so musically talented. I don't have the Jonifest box set (yet), but I played the CD that fellow JMDLer Steve Polifka sent me last week. If any of you have heard Steve sing, you know what talent he has. If you haven't heard him, go to Jonifest in May. I know he's bringing his dulcimer to New Orleans and you'll get a chance to hear his WONDERFUL voice. After we listened to Steve's collection of great songs, Ed (my partner) asked me more questions about the JMDL and Joni's music. He's always liked Joni, but his appreciation was limited to her first six releases. I told him how Hejira is a favorite of so many people and he asked me to play the CD. So I put "The Book of Poems and Lyrics" in his hand as he reclined on the sofa with a glass of wine, and our two dogs in his lap. We listened to Hejira as he read all of the lyrics. He was astounded by not only the music, but by Joni's words. When he read the lyrics to the song "Hejira," he was particularly awestruck. "We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone" and "And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Those were his favorites. It was such an incredible feeling. Just sitting there watching the man I love with our two dogs fast asleep on his lap, listening to Joni, together. It was truly a Zen moment!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:44:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Zen Moment FMYFL@aol.com wrote: I don't have the Jonifest box set (yet), but I played the CD that fellow > JMDLer Steve Polifka sent me last week. If any of you have heard Steve sing, > you know what talent he has. If you haven't heard him, go to Jonifest in > May. I know he's bringing his dulcimer to New Orleans and you'll get a > chance to hear his WONDERFUL voice. > > After we listened to Steve's collection of great songs, Ed (my partner) asked > me more questions about the JMDL and Joni's music. I can second that. Steve and I met at Joni's Jazz and became long, lost Joni-Lovers instantly. I have his cd Cobalt Blue (which he is sure to do in N.O.) and even a video of his Two Gray Rooms. He is very, very talented and those at JoniFest 2000 are in for a treat. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:49:32 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Meshell i traveled last week and picked up some new music to take along. i went to chicago and that reminded me of michael yarboro and that reminded me of his post on her album bitter. then i remembered that bob did a post on the same thing. michael was pretty passionate about the album and bob confirmed it, so i bought it. somewhere between chicago and grand rapids mi, i fell in love with the woman named Meshell. what a great album and both michael and bob were right on. it can't be described properly in words, but the album definately flows like a continuous thought. she repeatedly moves her voice up a half step in several songs, including the title track. that same sound comes back again and again. then the lyrics are uncomfortably honest. they are the kind of words you don't want to hear, but know they are true: In Faithful: no one is faithful, I am weak, I go astray, forgive me for my ways... In Bitter: I stand ashamed amidst my foolish pride, cause for us there'll be no more, for us there'll be no more, and my eyes look at you bitterly, bitterly, bitterly. it is almost as if the songs find their way into the most locked up secured places you may have deep down inside and start stirring things about. then, over time, the feelings start to soften and you're left with a sense of appreciation that something good has happened to you, but you are not quite sure what. its music to listen to alone. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:36:37 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re; S&L and M of A on CD > Martin wrote: > > < single CD version has at least one track missing - Free Man In Paris, I > think. The import version is also HDCD if that makes any difference to you. > I had to get my copy through CDNow.>> Raffaele Malanga wrote: > Hello Martin and everyone, > I was just wondering about the difference HDCD makes... Hi Raffaele, It makes most difference if you have a CD player with the HDCD logo on it. Its an extra chip inside. HDCD is a mastering process that starts with a very high quality transfer of the audio from the analogue masters into the digital domain. Various jiggery pokery ensues in order that an HDCD CD player will be able to output higher quality audio at your end. If you don't have an HDCD CD player, the most obvious difference will be that the audio will sound a little louder... But as you said, the extra track (on S&L) is probably the best reason to go for that version. > BTW: I am so glad that in London and UK there are so many listers and Joni > fans! We should meet sometimes. Great idea! What you doing right now? I'm off to the Kashmir Klub (In the basement of an Italian Restaurant called Fabrizio's, 6 Nottingham Place, W1) near Baker Street for a night of live acoustic music. Music starts at 9pm. Azeem introduced me to the place, and he'll probably be there tonight also. On the off chance that you can make it... how to recognize us... I've a blue & white striped, rugby style sweater on - Azeem, I don't know about! Anyway, if not tonight, definitely another night. All the best, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:39:00 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni voted top 20 (now Madonna NJC) Time for the Madonna fans to "fight back"... ;-) I agree that Madonna's musical "abilities", or at least the quality of her work, have often been overshadowed by the non-musical side of her career and persona. Until Ray Of Light, I think the majority consensus was that her music played second fiddle, and was of secondary importance, to Madonna the celebrity. Ray Of Light is/was a glorious record, effortlessly putting her back at the forefront of the music scene. It also had some of her finest songs for many a year. However, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that, taken as a whole, her body of work since 1984 is remarkably consistent and worthy of more acclaim than it is generally afforded. OK, so the film-related projects (I'm Breathless, Whos That Girl, Evita) notwithstanding, her studio output in the past 15 years has been almost unparallelled in the pop mainstream. Like A Virgin, True Blue, Like A Prayer, Erotica, Bedtime Stories, Ray Of Light. Most artists would kill to have just one of those among their ouvre. Michael Jackson lost the plot, Prince disappeared somewhere up on his rear entrance, but Madonna has avoided the same pitfalls that claimed every other major pop icon of the 80s. It's not been a smooth ride, and there have been several hiccups, but she's still at the top, still relevant, still expanding her horizons. She could have gotten complacent, but she didn't. You have to give her credit for that. Overall, I don't think it's too surprising - or too unfair - that she should be voted the No.1 female singer category. No poll of this kind is based on techincal or artistsic excellence alone. Joni's work far outstrips any other female artist - indeed ANY artist whatsoever - that I've ever heard, but for the majority of the public, the sheer number of hits, and the number of years she's contuinued to have them...not to mention the "anything goes" attitude she brought into the male-dominated pop scene, Madonna is inevitable the one they think of first. I personally find her about as sexy as a lampost, but the continual and enduring quality of her work has always kept me interested, and built up a great repect for what she has done musically. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:17:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: language NJC (long) Colin said: "I don't know if this is what you meant but there have been many occasions I have wanted to stronly tell someone to '***** off' instead I try and remain polite. It seems to me one gets the same result either way so maybe I should go with the first option!" My Mum used to say you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. I always wondered why anyone would want to catch flies anyway, but you get the point. Sometimes people mean to be mean, but more often than not, it's a miscommunication of sorts. People get angry about things without understanding what the other person was actually trying to say. Is that the "fault" of the communicator (communicatrix?) or the communicatee? A lot of it depends on the kind of mood one is in at the time. If you've come away from a horror session with someone else and are stressed to the max, even someone asking you how you are can set you off! As in, "Whaddaya mean, how am I? What the h*** is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to be funny? Are you telling me I look like s*** today? Well, you're not so hot yourself..." So, yeah, wherever possible, err on the side of "niceness". Be cool. Even though telling someone to f*** off can be a stress-reliever in its own way! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:19:11 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys Congratulations David! Hope your CD wins a Grammy, and you become really really rich and famous, and purchase the state of Montana and invite us all to live there as a Joni-only community and change the name to Jonitana and secede from the union and live happily ever after and all... Best wishes! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:18:05 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: John Hall Relases Holiday Single Veteran Singer/Songwriter John Hall Releases Holiday Single with a Little Help from Some Special Friends Two Versions of 'Quiet Place' Slated for AAA, AC & Americana Radio as Northeast Leg of Tour Hits a High Note at New York's Bottom Line SAUGERTIES, Nov. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Award-winning singer/songwriter and guitar virtuoso John Hall has just released the second single from his acclaimed new CD, "Love Doesn't Ask." The first single, the album's title track, is doing well and building in the AAA format and has recently been serviced to AC and Americana stations. The new track, a holiday title written by John and Johanna Hall and Jonell Mosser called "Quiet Place," is being sent to radio on one disc in two versions: The first version, which appears on the album, features John on lead vocals, guitar and harmonium, as well as friend and colleague John Sebastian on harmonica. "When we wrote the song," says Hall, "Bosnia was in the news. But there have been hard times in the global village through the ages." The child alluded to in the song, notes Hall, is "obviously THE Child, but it also refers to all children, and the potential in every newborn child." The second version, which John produced and arranged for soprano, alto, tenor and bass voices, is performed by Ars Choralis, a 30-voice choir from Woodstock, NY directed by Barbara Pickhardt. The Ars Choralis version, on which Johanna Hall sings alto and serves as executive producer, will appear on the choir's forthcoming CD, available via internet only. "I heard Ars Choralis perform their Christmas concert last December and fell in love with the music," says Hall, "so I took them into Bearsville Studios last February and recorded the whole program in one day." The choir's version is accompanied by guitar and cello, also arranged by Hall. John Hall first hit the airwaves in the mid 70s when his band, Orleans, topped the charts with the Halls' pop-rock hits "Dance with Me" (1975) and "Still the One" (1976). Hall, a seasoned and prolific writer and guitar virtuoso, has written numerous hits for other artists in various genres, and has toured and recorded with a laundry list of great musicians over the years, including Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, Taj Mahal and Little Feat. John Hall is currently touring and promoting his new CD. A recent segment on VH-1's "Where Are They Now" together with a national publicity campaign has helped generate newfound interest in Hall, who is also president of the Saugerties, NY School Board and a certified ski instructor at Hunter Mountain in the Catskills. Fans old and new will be hearing more of John Hall in the coming months, as he is in the midst of taping a number of radio programs including Acoustic Cafe and PRI's World Cafe. In the meantime, fans in the New York area can catch John Hall in concert November 19th and 20th at The Bottom Line on a bill that also features the legendary Bo Diddley. There are two shows (7:30 and 10:30) each night. Tickets are $20. For more information on this and other shows, log onto John's website, http://www.Sirensongs.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:30:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) With most dreams the interpretation is personal. People places and things represent things personal to us. The teeth dream is an architypal one, but I can't remember what it is said to mean. I dream vividly evry night and always in colour. i take note of them becuase dreams are a way of learning about the self. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:40:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: language NJC (long) > > > So, yeah, wherever possible, err on the side of "niceness". Be cool. Well i think we should always aim for that but being human we often miss the mark. > Even > though telling someone to f*** off can be a stress-reliever in its own way! > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:27:03 -0500 From: Pat Hilllis Subject: Wally and Joni photograph Have you all read the most recent "Word from Wally" on the Homepage? Also, there is a photograph of Wally and Joni taken a short time ago when they spent a weekend together - the photograph is very touching. Pat Hillis (Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:01:52 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified Jimmy said: >56 Sarah McLachlan Sarah will be singing "Blue" on the tribute >album Sarah has also previously recorded "Blue" on her "Rarities and B-sides" CD (maybe it appears elsewhere as well.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #515 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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