From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #514 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 514 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni #63 of top 100 performers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Clint content!) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Welcome!! [Julian51469@aol.com] Today in Joni History - November 14 [Today in Joni History ] Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Clint content!) [catman ] Joni Early in Detroit [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni in the Malls - "Conversation" LOTC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: S+L and M of A on cd [Martin Giles ] Re: Music... (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Jimmy Webb - deciphering MacArthur Park ["Kakki" ] Re: language (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Dog gone it NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Music... (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Music... (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] NJC Jimmy Webb 11/13 [Bounced Message ] RE: Joni in the Malls - "Conversation" LOTC ["Brett Code" ] Re: Frou-frou foxes... (NJC) [David Wright ] RE: Frou-frou foxes... (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC: Who Wants to be.... a millionaire! ["Kakki" ] Bob Said (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Alanis on VH-1 (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Bob Said (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in VF "Icons of Rock" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys [Dflahm@aol.com] See what I mean! [Richard Rice ] Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. [Richard Rice ] Re: BRAVO Les ["Kakki" ] Re: Bob Said (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 06:29:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni #63 of top 100 performers Mark de-lurks: << I guess this ends my lurking since subscibing two weeks ago. Since that time I have read many enjoyable posts (who can read them all?), mostly while listening to Joni Mitchell. I'm relatively new to her music and haven't aquired all her records as of yet but plan to do so. >> Hey, and welcome, Mark! I'm almost in envy of your position, having new Joni music to discover! Although it always seems like just I've heard it all, something wonderful shows up, so I suppose I have a lot still to hear myself. And like you say, the fringe benefits, like finding great artists like Jonatha, are wonderful... Thanks for de-lurking, post away my friend! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:53:51 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Clint content!) In a message dated 11/14/1999 5:34:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << << The Outlaw Josey Wales - I've seen it umpteen times, but it's on telly and I couldn't resist having a "quick look". >> >> Now heres a great thread. I have the same problem. Theres certain movies I always watch again and again when they are on the tube. A partial list: Jeremiah Johnson Patton Being There Airplane Any Marx Brothers movie Amadeus Once Upon a time in the West...just to name a few ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:56:05 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Welcome!! Welcome to the list Mark, Yes, indeed: <> and... <> ...I agree completely, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:11:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 14 Today's entries are both from Wally's bio page: 1993: Joni receives a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Saskatchewan Recording Industry Association. The presentation was held at the Willows Golf Resort in Saskatoon and attended by her parents and former teachers. Joni said "Awards don't mean that much to me. That people like the music is the best award." After the presentation Joni gave an hour long interview and performed a new song called 'The Magdalene Laundries" that she said she planned to record with Sinead O'Connor on background vocals. 1994: Today, Joni was in London, England for a solo showcase for the media at a townhouse off Gloucester Road in South Kensington. Before the event, Joni was interviewed and performed "Sunny Sunday" and "Sex Kills" on the BBC series "The Late Show." At around a quarter to 7 in the evening Joni went on stage and performed for more than an hour in front of 200 media and record company people from all over Europe. She said to the audience "I don't know how to address you; you're not all Brits..Spain? Italy? France? Do we have France? And I hear there's someone here from Greece." Her set included "Refuge of the Roads," "Night Ride Home," her newest pair of tunes "Loves' Cries" and "Happiness is the Best Facelift," as well as a few selections from the album she was there to promote, "Sex Kills," "Magdelaine Laundries," Sunny Sunday," and "Yvette in English." She referred to Crosby before she sang "Yvette" and the fact that he was in a California hospital waiting for a liver transplant. (He'd actually had the transplant operation a few hours before her show started). An amazing footnote is that Joni didn't smoke a single cigarette for the duration of her show! Further info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LondonShowcase94.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:47:11 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Clint content!) Movies i have watched loads and will again: Carrie Poletergesit Sound Of Music Contact Muriels Wedding Beautiful Thing Close Encounters Twister Outrageous Fortune Something About Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:11:25 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Jimmy Webb, Part 2 (NJC) (long) I second everything Ashara said about Saturday night's Jimmy Webb concert. It was absolutely fantastic. Getting together afterwards at Chuck & Barbara's was such a treat. (speaking of which, they regaled us with wine and cheese - to which I said "good thing we're at your house, if we were at mine, we'd be eating... ketchup!") Some great moments - I'd brought a Brian Kennedy CD to lend to Chuck. When Patrick saw it in Chuck's hands he exclaimed "WHERE did you get that???" I'd been sort of nonchalant about the whole thing, but by the end of the evening we dicided it was quite rare. (BTW, I need your real addresses, Patrick, Roberto and Chuck.) In his best New York technique, Patrick prevented someone from cutting in line ahead of us (you just HAD to be there, Patrick gets an "A" in NYC Body Language :-) I think we represented the list quite effectively - that is, we made so much noise when JW mentioned us from the stage that you'd have thought the ENTIRE list was there in the audience... Afterward, we listened to JW's "10 Easy Pieces" then to Eva Cassidy's "Songbird." If you're not familiar with her - give her a listen. "songbird" doesn't even begin to describe her voice. None of us could figure out what MacArthur Park is really about - we decided it's probably an acid flashback inspired song. I mentioned this over dinner last night, and my boyfriend looked puzzled and said "no, it's about a relationship that's ended - the 'cake' being the great relationship that he's never going to be able to duplicate..." hmmm... and yes, we all had to admit liking the song (in true Bob-music-slut-fashion) even tho' the lyrics are um questionable... And finally (sorry this is so long, I just wish you'd all been there!) what's most amazing to me is the fact that we all sat around like old friends. It's just SO comfortable and yet inspiring being with other JMDLers. Thanks to Chuck for arranging this and to Chuck and Barbara for making us all feel so welcome in their home. hugs Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:38:42 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Costing a Mint. And a half. Hi Mark, Welcome to the list! I have to agree with you Mark on the expense of that D28. Thanks a lot Sue! You too Howard, Michael et al. Real nice. Don't be hiding your heads. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Thanks to you I have had to fork over huge buckage for a VG8 and Parker! (Which still hasn't arrived yet.) I hold you ALL accountable! It is YOUR fault!!! And all I have to say is, "You better knock it off!" You know we are weak. So weak... So poor now... But oh so very, very blessed. Thank you all. --Now stop it! (Anyone done any new tabs?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Joni Early in Detroit Hey Pat, I guess this is mostly directed to you, but maybe we have others listers who may have input on this. While my e-mail was out last week I ran into the dad of one of my daughter's friends at the grocery store. Sid, the dad, had told me during Joni chatter a few years ago, that he had also played with Joni in her early days in Detroit. The main thing I remember him expressing then was what a jerk Chuck was to Joni! But when I ran into him the other day, I finally got around to asking a couple of specifics. He said he played in a group called The Spikedrivers and Chuck and Joni were the "folkies" sharing the bill, taking turns when the band wasn't onstage the folkies would be, in some combination of either Chuck or Joni or both together. The place they played together was called The Poison Apple. I would have to surmise, if Sid is correct, this must have been before their Cellar days because Sid insists Joni wasn't using alternate tunings yet. Do you have any recollection of their band, that particular club or while Joni did stints there? And BTW Sid is a dead ringer for Jerry Garcia, pun intended ;-), the GD reference, that is. I'll try to get more info out of Sid next time I run into him, which is fairly often. Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:13:50 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. Nothing beats an acoustic-sure, the VG-8 may have an acoustic setting on it, but that doesn't make it an acoustic. I really enjoy tuning my guitar, breaking strings, getting the action fixed, etc., that I don't want a VG-8. I haven't done any new tabs for a while now mainly because there isn't much to do anymore (which is a good thing). I have bits and pieces I have figured out from unreleased songs sitting on my HD that need to be finished, though. NP-Talk To Me ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| Richard Rice writes: > I have to agree with you Mark on the expense of that D28. Thanks a lot > Sue! You too Howard, Michael et al. Real nice. Don't be hiding your > heads. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Thanks to you I have had to > fork over huge buckage for a VG8 and Parker! (Which still hasn't arrived > yet.) I hold you ALL accountable! It is YOUR fault!!! And all I have to > say is, > "You better knock it off!" > > (Anyone done any new tabs?) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:17:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni in the Malls - "Conversation" LOTC Brett said: >Does anyone even know anyone not on the list who has ever heard of >"Conversation"? I wonder why they play somewhat more obscure >songs? > The 'classic rock' stations could take a lesson or two from >the mall >music people. Was it the original Joni version or a Muzak version? I'm only asking because sometimes you hear the strangest tunes redone in Muzak format. Sometimes I think whoever records this kind of stuff has a really whacky sense of humour so they'll take something that may have started out as heavy metal, for example, and do a Muzak version of it. I wonder whether it might be kind of an in-joke among musicians who "have" to record watered-down versions of music to make a living, but who want to get in a little dig at the powers-that-be by recording something by Guns'n'roses that Mum is going to hear at the mall and think, "Oh, isn't that a pretty tune?" I can say, from personal experience, that, when I was managing a call centre, I used to sometimes use for the Music on Hold (when I could get away with it!) something a little "different" from what you might normally hear just to see if we'd get a reaction out of anyone. Heh-heh-heh. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:08:40 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Joni voted top 20 Hi Colin Yep, I thought it would go that way. I decided not to watch or vote, as it would all be too depressing. Madonna's OK in her way, but c'mon now!! Best wishes, Martin. > Channel four is showing a music program for people of the millenium, > voted on by the general public. > In the Best Female Singer category, our Joni was number 20 and Madonna > was number 1. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:51:19 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: S+L and M of A on cd Tony from Oxford said on Friday > Have not seen, over here at least, either Miles of Aisles > or Shadows and Light on CD which I would not mind adding to my collection. Hi Tony I'm reading on Monday evening, so I guess you might have some answers by now, but I thought I'd expand slightly on Jackie in East Sussex's reply to you. Definitely look out for the import version of S&L, because the original single CD version has at least one track missing - Free Man In Paris, I think. The import version is also HDCD if that makes any difference to you. I had to get my copy through CDNow. The video of S&L was available at Amazon a few months back, but only NTSC. So if your video player can only play PAL tapes your out of luck. I love the album so much, I went out and bought a new video player just so I could play the video!! BUT...Be warned - the video is not cheap, and I ended up having to pay import duties and VAT in addition to P&P which took the totla cost up to somewhere in the region of 50 UK style smackers! ALSO, if you are used to the vinyl version of the album, be warned that it is slightly different. Jaco gets a solo on the vid, but Woodstock is missing :-( Seeing as I am now missing an arm and a leg, I play my copy quite a lot. Which is nice. The CD of MofA I ordered from MVC (In Harrow) - I suppose any shop can get it if they can. > To my mind Court through to Don Juan contains my personnel favourites with > Hejira being the greatest by far. Meeeeeeee tooooooooo. > Saw Joni once,at Wembley Stadium, around '84, A vast echoey hall totally > unsuited to her music I was at the box office that night buying Marillion tickets (FOR FREINDS OF MINE, REALLY) when I heard her echoing around. I was so upset at having missed the gig. You probably know that it was broadcast by the beeb some time after, which a friend of mine has on video. I like the show - but I can see how many people wouldn't like the lead guitarist's contributions. Wish I'd seen her live. All the best, Martin in London. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:50:15 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Music... (NJC) On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, I wrote: "On the other hand, when you start changing "history" to "herstory" and spelling women as wymyn ... or wimmin, that is just plain silly." And David replied: >I don't use either spelling/pronunciation regularly, but why is >that silly? Those spellings (especially "herstory" -- I think that's >a >great word) make you think about how sexism is institutionalized >in our >(English) language (not necessarily only in regard to those >specific >words, but in general) -- and you might say that sexism >starts in thought >before it is expressed in language, but language >plays a big role in >shaping that thought (by creating a framework >for perceiving the world) -- >and what's so silly about that? As always, that comment was just my opinion. You do have a point about sexism beginning in thought before it's expressed in language (that goes for various other -isms, too). On the other hand, it seems a bit too contrived for my liking to make up alternative spellings (especially the one with the y's -why?) We have words in English that work. "Man" doesn't just refer to males, although, given that we women have only had the vote for a short time in all history, um, herstory, um peoplestory, perhaps I'm too complacent and don't realize how good I've got it. ("History" has nothing to do with the possessive "His".) But when we have to start worrying about every little thing we say, wondering whether we're using the "correct" form, that makes it difficult to communicate at all. Maybe it's because I've got a short attention span, but I know I've been in meetings where this kind of point has been argued way too long for my liking. It's at times like those that I want to tell the people that I'm taking a short break, they can call it whatever they want, and let me know when I get back. Is it chairman? Chairperson? Chair? Chairman if it's a man, chairwoman if it's a woman? There may be better words than any of these - and here I am wondering why we name them after furniture to begin with? ;) And how come what we used to call "actresses" now seem to call themselves "actors"? Is it because they want to be seen as an entire group of people not differentiated by their sex? And many female singer/songwriters would rather be known just as singer/songwriters than as female ones. Language is a living thing. It will change, and it has to change as the times change, but in the case of language that works, the changes aren't imposed by someone above telling them what they can and can't say. I think of the Canadian $1 coin which promptly became known as the "Loony". (Because there's a picture of a loon on it.) To me, that's a marvellous word for a number of reasons. First, because people just started using it - no one told them they had to - it was very grass-roots as far as I'm aware. Second, from a linguistic point of view, since Canada is officially bilingual, it also works for me because it sounds very like "L'un" which is French for "one" (one dollar). And third, it's a nice silly word, just like most words for money. When Canada introduced a $2 coin, people speculated what it might be called. Some suggested "Polar" because there's a Polar Bear on it. But nope - people were calling it "Twonie" (Toonie) from the day it came out. Again, linguists and language police didn't impose that name on anyone. You can eliminate much sexist/racist language by educating people and making them aware of what may be considered sexist/racist. Perhaps "herstory" and similar words are a valid part of that consciousness-raising. You aren't going to affect the hard-core bigots, but you will get the majority of people who usually fall in the middle somewhere - those who just need to be made aware. Sorry for the long diatribe and for much straying-off-the-topic, but "wymyn?" Sheeesh! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:03:09 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb - deciphering MacArthur Park Anne wrote: > None of us could figure out what MacArthur Park is really about - we decided > it's probably an acid flashback inspired song. I mentioned this over dinner > last night, and my boyfriend looked puzzled and said "no, it's about a > relationship that's ended - the 'cake' being the great relationship that > he's never going to be able to duplicate..." hmmm... and yes, we all had to > admit liking the song (in true Bob-music-slut-fashion) even tho' the lyrics > are um questionable... The quest for deciphering the lyrics to MacArthur Park has been going on ever since the song came out. I don't believe that Jimmy has ever completely explained what they meant - I've only read about him wanting to leave it up to the interpretation of the individual listener. And so the myth grows. However, a friend of mine was a friend of Webb's in the early days of his career in L.A. and related to me what he claims is the real story. There is a real MacArthur Park near downtown L.A. It is one of the oldest parks in the city. Supposedly Jimmy planned a birthday party for a true love, Susan, one afternoon at the park. He also planned to propose marriage to her that day. He asked and she said "no" and he was devastated. Soon after she married someone else. If this account is true, many of the metaphors in the song make more sense. There are also many other early songs he wrote that are supposedly about Susan. One in particular is "The Hive", which I recall is on one of Richard Harris albums of Webb songs. It is a very dark and chilling song about a woman marrying someone who is to never going to really know her and is going to drain her soul by keeping her locked up and repressed in "The Hive". A classic example of Webb "spitting out his bitterness." I don't have the lyrics but have read them and listened to the song with my friend and it reminds me of "A Doll's House" and also themes in some of Joni's songs such as "The Arrangement" and the various characters living trapped lives in HOSL. Kakki NP: Michael Ruff - Seeing For The Very First Time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:06:40 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: language (NJC) Azeem creates a new colour: "frou-frou-foxes-in-the-midsummer-fires". I like that! I imagine something between salmon pink and something else. Have you ever seen the names they give to paint colours? Go check out your local paint store and pick up those sample paint-chip charts. Each shade of every colour has its own name and some of them are pretty wild! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:21:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Dog gone it NJC Colin, on the subject of childbirth (Puppybirth?) asks: >You women out there: if you went thru this more than once, just what >were you thinking? Does giving birth make you stupid or give you >amnesia? Well, I'm a woman, and I tell ya, it's like this. Humans (and that includes men!) have the most amazing capacity to forget about pain. It may take a few weeks, a few months or a few years, but it happens. If it didn't happen, the race would have died out eons ago. Or we'd all be committing suicide instead of waiting for death. Although I know women who had one kid and then said, "That's it - no more of this for me!" they probably had a particularly hard time of it. I must admit, I didn't have difficult labours/births, so I'm probably not the best one to comment on this. IF I thought I could afford it, and if I hadn't waited until I was in my mid-30's to have kids, in a way, I would have liked to have more kids. (Of course, dogs and cats have a whole bunch of 'em at once - instant family! and they leave home a heckuva lot sooner, too!) >I tell you i would have had myself speyed at the earliest >opportunity had I been a woman. And many women would agree with you there. Lucky for us, we've got choices these days. >No offense meant and hopefully none will be taken from this post. No offense taken - not from me, anyway, but then my skin is as thick as rhino hide (most of the time...) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:25:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Music... (NJC) Louis said: >And "to each his own" and other general expressions that use the >male >singular term to include all people sounds all right to me, >too. It's >concise and it covers both men and mixed genders without >excluding anyone. And David replied: >A lot of people would like to think so, I'm sure, but I strongly >disagree that it works that way. The idea behind the use of "he/his" >to >refer to the kind of abstract ideal "everyperson" is that >maleness is >somehow universal and transcends all bounds of gender, >while femaleness is >not and does not. So here I am, the instigatrix ;) of all this, to say, much of this depends on one's point of view. See, to me, ANYONE can be a man. To be a woman, you have to be special! ;-D Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:38:29 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Music... (NJC) David wrote: > > Mightn't some of us have stories that differ from "his story"? > > Especially when certain groups and the roles they have played in > > >*all* of our stories have been left completely out of "history"/ > >"his >story"? And Colin replied: >History entirely depends on who has the power to have their >interpretation >of reality supercede others. >Not so lighthearted-I think what you wrote made sense and would like >to >read more. I agree, despite my comment on history/herstory. I was reminded of this recently while helping my 12-yr old daughter to a history (a story of events recorded in writing by those with the power to write it in their own favour?) assignment. Things haven't changed much since I studied the same old crappola in grade school. It's all about European white guys "discovering" other countries, starting out being friendly to the natives (sometimes), then ultimately killing them. We don't hear much about what the Incas were doing before these guys came along. And we don't know what the women were doing either. This is important stuff. The good news is, in fact, they did talk a little more about the King of the Incas, whose name I have unfortunately forgotten, and about the society the Incas had in that time - which was very advanced - and so I had the opportunity to ask my daughter what she thought of these guys just walking in, kidnapping this king and holding him ransom in order to force his people to give up their gold, then killing him anyway. She was not impressed and if she has learned that much, then she has learned something right, IMO. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:22:42 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC Jimmy Webb 11/13 From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:04:35 -0500 Everything Ashara said about the Jimmy Webb performance at Scullers was the veritable truth. Jim was singing great. It was a huge treat to see him. One tune he did that was not heretofore mentioned was 'Do What You Gotta Do". He introduced this in a rambling sort of way: in essense, that we was psyched to have one of his songs picked up by Roberta Flack, and he got home with it, put it on the turntable and listenend to to the A side: no Jimmy song, then flipped it over and listened to the B side: still no song. Then he looked at the notes and found that it was indeed on the record but it had been so altered melodically and structurally that it was to him entirely unrecognizable.! He sang the tune without mentioning the name, and I didn't recognize it until he was a good half-way through it. This, even tho as a Roberta Flack cover it had always been a big favorite of mine and I about wore out my friend's copy. (It's on Take Two, I think, 1970?). Disappointly Jim did not reappear after his rousing finale (MacArthur Park) so we didn't get to say hello, and my copy of Tunesmith went un-autographed. As noted in Ashara's postscript he did say hello to the Joni people in the audience, and we did hoot and holler maybe a little. I was thrilled to have everyone back to the house for debriefing. We listened to 10 Easy pieces and I then went on to introduce Eva Cassidy to the uninitiated. Patrick complained about all the money he was going have to spend on CD's! He about stunned me by recongnizing a print by a favorite painter of mine, Lyonel Feininger. I'm not sure he appreciated by little collection of tacky Indian princess prints tho... Anne Sandstrom sang and played a LOVELY composition of hers, very Joni-esque. Anne, how about this one for our next tribute tape??? It's fabulous! I had to play 'If Old Walls Could Talk' as that was the only warhorse Jimmy tune he didn't play! Patrick and Roberto and I got together for brunch on Sunday and I then dropped them off for their respective cultural afterrnoons, Patrick at the MFA and Roberto to the Schubert for a play (I forget what exactly). (Roberto, please report!I ) left him off in front of the Steinway showroom, so perhaps there were strains of Joni wafting in Boyleston street on Sunday afternoon... A pleasant time was had by all!. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:35:17 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Joni in the Malls - "Conversation" LOTC This was the real version, straight from the album. One of the funniest 'muzak' versions of a JM song I've heard was in the locker room of a fitness centre in a hotel - it was a xylophone version of 'In France They Kiss on Main Street'. I laughed, felt horrified at the sound and then got all proud, because I was sure I was the only one in the room who not only knew the song but also knew all the lyrics. I sang along gaily and laughed. Brett Catherine McKay said: Was it the original Joni version or a Muzak version? I'm only asking because sometimes you hear the strangest tunes redone in Muzak format. Sometimes I think whoever records this kind of stuff has a really whacky sense of humour so they'll take something that may have started out as heavy metal, for example, and do a Muzak version of it. I wonder whether it might be kind of an in-joke among musicians who "have" to record watered-down versions of music to make a living, but who want to get in a little dig at the powers-that-be by recording something by Guns'n'roses that Mum is going to hear at the mall and think, "Oh, isn't that a pretty tune?" I can say, from personal experience, that, when I was managing a call centre, I used to sometimes use for the Music on Hold (when I could get away with it!) something a little "different" from what you might normally hear just to see if we'd get a reaction out of anyone. Heh-heh-heh. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:05:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni voted top 20 I think Madonna is way more talented than many give her credit for. I think she is very like Joni in that she has done her own thing and succeeded and is innovative. I am not particulalry a fan-I have only one of her albums-Ray of Light which i like very much. Martin Giles wrote: > Hi Colin > > Yep, I thought it would go that way. I decided not to watch or vote, as > it would all be too depressing. Madonna's OK in her way, but c'mon now!! > > Best wishes, > Martin. > > > Channel four is showing a music program for people of the millenium, > > voted on by the general public. > > In the Best Female Singer category, our Joni was number 20 and Madonna > > was number 1. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Frou-frou foxes... (NJC) On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Catherine McKay wrote: > Azeem creates a new colour: "frou-frou-foxes-in-the-midsummer-fires". Azeem didn't make that one up; it's the title of a song by the incomparable Cocteau Twins, I think. (They may not have applied it to a color -- but all their songs make me think of colors anyway, especially with their beautiful album sleeve artwork.) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:22:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Frou-frou foxes... (NJC) well, there you are! one thing we do agree on!!! wallyk, happy to have something in common with david wright too [apart from joni mitchell, that is] >the > incomparable Cocteau Twins, I think. (They may not have applied it to a > color -- but all their songs make me think of colors anyway, especially > with their beautiful album sleeve artwork.) > > --David > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:40:28 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: NJC: Who Wants to be.... a millionaire! Hi guys, I'm on the NJC list so forgive me if this has been asked already. I know someone on this list is named Don Sloan, and the other night on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, one of the 10 'finger question' contestants was Don Sloan. Is the Don here the same one? Just curious, Mark NP-Song For Sharon, 11/20/76 ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:38:20 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: NJC Siberry and webb kakki wrote: > >> Jane Siberry will be performing at the Largo in LA on December 11th and >> 12th - so you still have time! (This from my "ShowDates" list). > >Thanks Bev and Paul for straightening me out. I have the dates >11th and 12th you should absolutely go, kakki. jane is a great performer, particularly right now. plus you get the similar internet connection that all us global jimmy webb fans are having right now. remember, i'm seeing jane in december, too, and incredibly excited. about jimmy webb: there'd been some buzz on list about 10 easy pieces when it was released, but i wouldn't have gone to hear him, even in ny, if it weren't for the chance to see some of my favorite jmdl buddies. but it was a wonderful concert, and i'll be buying the album. a personal favorite for me was a song jimmy wrote to seduce a girl in england he was in love with. so he wrote a song and invited her to hear it, because, as he said 'if i can get her on the piano bench...' after he played it for her, she said (veddy british accent) 'that's silly'. so flying home to the states with a broken heart, he sees the headline 'simon and garfunkle: splitsville'. ever the opportunist, he calls art, 'i've got this song' i bruise you, you bruise me, we both bruise too easily, we bruise too fast, but heal too slowly i love you, and that's all i know a huge hit for art garfunkle on his first solo album. i hadn't thought about that song in 25 years, but it was immediately fresh and beautiful. the only webb song i'd have loved to hear that i didn't was 'the moon is a harsh mistress'. it was so much fun to get together with these people. the conversation just flies. ashara, roberto, chuck, barbara; we discover deeper threads of connection, whether it's feininger, gatsby (thru harbison), sondheim and davies, lorraine hunt, or new pleasures like eva cassidy (unbelievable) or james webb. and i hadn't gotten to know anne very well at ashara's, so it was nice to get to know her better, as we caravanned from the webb venue to chuck and barbara's. and to hear her voice, and her song. she is amazingly talented. patrick, dubbing as usual np - chaka - hissing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:02:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: Who Wants to be.... a millionaire! Mark wrote: >I'm on the NJC list so forgive me if this has been asked already. I know >someone on this list is named Don Sloan, and the other night on Who Wants >To Be A Millionaire, one of the 10 'finger question' contestants was Don >Sloan. >Is the Don here the same one? Well, I sure hope it is and I hope he won so he doesn't have to work so many hours anymore and come down and party with us in L.A. more often ;-) Don, are you still here???? Kakki NP: CPR live in Hamburg - Yvette in English > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:46:37 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bob Said (NJC) Bob wrote: " Kakki, I just got my collection this weekend as well, and am supremely enjoying it...Thanks to Les for the distribution, packaging, and all that stuff, Michael & Chuck for the production, all the artists (friends) who perform. The quality is amazing, not just the quality of the production but of course the quality of the singing and playing. It puts me right back in Ashara's backyard on that Sunny Saturday...Mmmmmm...." Bob- I can not take credit for the tracking process at Ashara's (that was mostly Chuck and Les who for some humble reason chose not to credit himself. I did roll the tape at Atty May's with help from Chuck. The entire mastering process and the packaging etc. was done by LES IRVIN el humbleness who has been working on this for weeks. If everyone will rise now I think we can all give the man a standing ovation. Yeah Yeah Yeah Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:56:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Alanis on VH-1 (NJC) Hello All- I saw the Alanis show on VH-1 last night and I noticed a girl that looked so much like Mariana. She was singing along on every song and the director must have been very taken with her cause he showed her quite a bit. I thought it was very well done and was impressed with her voice and how well the songs sounded in a more acoustic form. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:01:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Said (NJC) In a message dated 11/15/99 9:52:17 PM US Central Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << If everyone will rise now I think we can all give the man a standing ovation. >> And I'll lead the group singing... For he's a Joni good fellow For he's a Joni good fellow, For he's a Joni good felllllllooooooooooooooow, Which nobody can deny!!! Amen, super job Les! PS: Can you e-mail the liner cards & stuff? Looks like I'm gonna be making copies for awhile... Bob, who got packages today from Julian, Brian, Jody, Patrick, & Raffaele! Whew! (But I love it!!) :~D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:06:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni in VF "Icons of Rock" In the "bonus edition" that came with the new Vanity Fair (Paz' pretty pal Meg Ryan on the cover), There's a mini-magazine entitled "Icons of Rock". Given that it was VF and not Entertainment Weekly or something, I knew Joni would be there and voila! there she is in a Joel Bernstein photo, leaping in the air with her hair flying all about. No text, just the photo...but they do refer to her again on page 26 as one of the "granola singer-songwriters" along with JT, Carole, Carly, Jackson, and CSN... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:38:46 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys Hello, everybody: I got a call from ARKADIA JAZZ today, suggesting I alert anyone I know who happens to be a member of NARAS (National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences) that my CD, JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL, is on the preliminary ballot...Field 9, Category 43. This is the first of I-don't-know-how-many steps on the way to a Grammy nomination. I hope I can survive one or two balloting rounds anyway. I knew it was unique and significant when I created it, but the response of the people on JMDL testified to something even more important: that it was pleasurable. You made me very happy. The sequel is moving (inching) forward. Might I speak to the enthusiasm about Jon Hendricks and Annie Ross and just add one thing? The real pioneer in bebop lyric writing was the late Eddie Jefferson. Some of his recordings are still available, including the pathbreaking "Moody's Mood for Love." My favorite is the version he did of "Body and Soul" in tribute to Coleman Hawkins.This is the source of the Manhattan Transfer version. Some of you may have heard that but not noticed that Eddie is credited. I played with him a couple of times in Richie Cole's group at the old Tin Palace on the Bowery in NY. I wish I'd done a better job! Ciao for now, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:38:42 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: See what I mean! You guys are cruel. You are soooo nice and soooo considerate and soooo, I dunno, not of this world... I was only kidding when I asked if there were any new tabs. Just added on to my post to show I was being sarcastic. But no. Mark and Anne were so kind, to not only respond to my mailing but to also give regards concerning NEW tabs!!!! GOD! What is with you people? Between Wally, and Les, and Ashara, and Catherine, and Bob... For crying out loud. Don't you guys know how to be shallow, mean spirited, petty, conniving, bitter, or one hundred and one other petty things most of the world is? Is THIS the effect Joni is having on you people? That woman must be stopped! Good music is one thing but to have such deleterious effects on the souls of so many... No wonder most of the world isn't listening to her music. They'd probably melt like the wicked old witch. Now just stop it, ok. Bob, one more mention of some great new tape of unknown Joni content is going to snap my poor little brain. You realize, not only do I have to get the Parker and the Fly, I have to buy ANOTHER TAPE and impose on your kindness yet again! Either that or drive myself crazy knowing there is actual Joni material I don't have. Ahhhhhhhh. And you, Mark! Forcing the purchase of an acoustic on me, eh? Bah! You people are just too damn special. I must to a Google search for 'Creeps On-Line.' Yeah, that's the ticket. (Just kidding. Only kidding. ) Many thanks, Mark, Anne, et al. You have made these past few months very, very special. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:52:02 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: Costing a Mint. And a half. Howdy Mark, Thanks for the reply. I always enjoy hearing from you all. I had a dream the other night that Joni's new CD was realllllllly bad, just as you feared. I kept thinking, 'Mark was right. Mark was right.' Then I woke up. Whew. Most of the time I dream aliens are taking over the world and I am the last human alive. So this was a pleasant dream... for me. I agree an acoustic sounds so much nicer. I hate that Joni is recording only with a Parker. It lacks all the warmth of hearing slack strings and all. On the other hand, I hate hate hate breaking strings. I so dislike re-stringing, when one breaks I end up letting the guitar sit for a week or two in frustration. ( As is presently the case.) The g, b, and high e strings always seem to go. I have little ear at this point in my novice career, so I marvel at Joni's ability to just zip from one tuning to another. Thanks again for the reply. I hope you (and all) find my post(s) funny. They were meant to be. j. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:14:33 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BRAVO Les Michael wrote regarding the remastered Jonifest Boxed Set: > << If everyone will rise > now I think we can all give the man a standing ovation. >> And Bob led the group: > And I'll lead the group singing... > > For he's a Joni good fellow > For he's a Joni good fellow, > For he's a Joni good felllllllooooooooooooooow, > Which nobody can deny!!! > > Amen, super job Les! Me's threes. When I received the remastered version the other day I had no idea that Les worked this miracle! The sound quality is utterly amazing. Gee Les, I think you are our own resident Henry Lewy. ;-) Just an in-cre-di-ble job. Kakki NP: Seal Unplugged - Stone Free (oh...my...gawd...also out of this galaxy - Thank you J.V.T.!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:02:59 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Said (NJC) In a message dated 11/15/1999 10:52:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << - I can not take credit for the tracking process at Ashara's (that was mostly Chuck and Les who for some humble reason chose not to credit himself. I did roll the tape at Atty May's with help from Chuck. The entire mastering process and the packaging etc. was done by LES IRVIN el humbleness who has been working on this for weeks. If everyone will rise now I think we can all give the man a standin > I for one agree!!! Les who always stays quietly in the background needs to put his face out there and let us know he is out there. He is a great guy and we are all so lucky he is the list owner. So everyone!!! STANDING OVATION FOR LES IRVING!!!!!!! Catgirl WHOOO-HOOOOOO!!!!!!! :o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:29:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JAZZ TAKES and the Grammys David Lahm wrote: > Hello, everybody: I got a call from ARKADIA JAZZ today, suggesting I alert > anyone I know who happens to be a member of NARAS (National Academy of > Recording Arts & Sciences) that my CD, JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL, is on the > preliminary ballot...Field 9, Category 43. This is the first of > I-don't-know-how-many steps on the way to a Grammy nomination. I hope I can > survive one or two balloting rounds anyway. Wow, this is wonderful! I hope you make it all the way, David! Congratulations and best wishes! I also am looking forward to your Joni sequel. Kakki NP: Seal Unplugged - Violet ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #514 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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