From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #511 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, November 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 511 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) Reply To Colin (1 of 2) [catman ] Re: language NJC (long) [catman ] Re: Live at the Troubadour!!! [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Music... Hymns... etc (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Misc. (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified [FMYFL@aol.com] Gastwirt ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: teeth dreams (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Music... Hymns... etc (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] NJC Buena Vista Social Club [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] VIBE magazine [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! [mann@chic] Re: (NJC) Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! ["Kakki" ] Re: VIBE magazine ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (NJC) Reply To Colin (1 of 2) Glad to hear you are going to stop baiting me. if you had not accused me flasely on the list, this would not have happened. Yes you told me your husband had been diagnosed bipolar but you said he had been diagnosed wrongly and in fact was suffering from spiritual conflict and suggested that was my problem too. Penny I do not like people who lie and to lie in public about me says so much more about you than it does about me. of ourse, I cannot prove your lies without posting all your mails to the list, which i won't do. I enjoy this list, have fondeness and respect, which is reciprocated, for many on the list. You won't succed in spoiling that. In the end, what you think of me means nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:47:28 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: S+L and M of A on cd Tony wrote:- < Have not seen, over here at least, either Miles of Aisles or Shadows and Light on CD which I would not mind adding to my collection.> Hi Tony and welcome to the JMDL. It's always nice to see new British contributors. Re: the cds you mention, it is possible to buy both in the UK. You have to watch the Shadows and Light one though because I've seen the single cd edition (at budget price) in a few shops recently but the best version is the double cd one which may be obtained as an import. I love that album so much. What you will have difficulty getting, though, is the video of that album. Don't forget you can go to the CD Now site via Wally's site and buy your Joni albums there. I hadn't known that the Homepage got a mention in The Independent. That's great! Look forward to your next contribution. Jacky (East Sussex) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:22:32 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Greetings and introduction fom Oxford Hello Tony and welcome. I am also new to the list (digest) having joined just a couple of weeks ago. I am sure you will enjoy it as I am. It's not just because of all the news about Joni that you get to know, there is a real sense of community between 'members' (? I am not sure this is the right word). It might sound crazy and irresponsible maybe, but personally I tend to trust people more if I get to know that they love JM's music. <> The period C&S - Shadows & Light is my favourite as well, and Song for Sharon is in my top list. I just can't resist when she sings: "there's a wide wide world of noble causes, and lovely landscapes to discover, but all I really want to do right now is find another lover". It does sum up brilliantly *that* feeling ... Anyway, as for Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light on CD you might easily find them in big stores in London. Try the new Virgin on Piccadilly or HMV on Oxford Street. (I am assuming here that you are from Oxford, UK, and not Oxford in some USA state). Welcome again. Raffaele (from London, UK) NPIMH (now playing in my head): Song for Sharon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:38:50 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Music... Hymns... etc (NJC) (the Rev) Vince penned: << If the new, nonsexist translations that some complain of are sloppy, and I have seen those, of course those need to be re-done. >> I still think the King James Version is the most beautiful (although I SWEAR that I'm NOT a fundamentalist)! Perhaps I LOVE the Shakespearean English. After all, it was translated by Willie's best buddy, Francis Bacon, at the behest of King James - all three historically listed as famous homosexuals. It is things like this that keep me smiling despite how ugly history has been. & herstory wasn't any better from what I've read. Hopefully both sides have learned their lesson by now & we will all finally wake up to a world free of sexual stereotypes. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:14:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: language NJC (long) > I've always recoiled from > anyone telling me what to do or thinking they know better than I how I > should conduct myself in life. People thinking they know what is best for other people is one of the major causes of strife in the world. the attitude is based in fear. > This is just my inherent nature. I never > wanted to belong to, and avoided, cliques all through school and I had never > even belonged to any type of special interest group or club in my life until > the JMDL. Same here. One has to conform to belong. i don't wish. The jmdl is a place where i like to be becuase, with one or two exceptions, I am allowed to be myself. > In my experience, someone who is an oppressor is going to be the > last person in the world to want to be "enlightened". Again you are right. i forget this tho sometimes, and don't keep quiet. > If someone oppresses > me (and it happens to one extent or another all through life), I prefer to > use my own choice language for dealing with them! I'll kick the butt of > anyone who attempts to oppress me or anyone else - I just don't need or want > someone else to decide for me the best methodology for accomplishing that. I don't know if this is what you meant but there have been many occasions I have wanted to stronly tell someone to '***** off' instead I try and remain polite. It seems to me one gets the same result either way so maybe I should go with the first option! > > > Kakki - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:58:32 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Live at the Troubadour!!! In a message dated 11/12/99 3:04:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Eurojonifest2000 Dear friends, I have just spoken to the bookings person at the Troubadour Coffee house in Earl's Court >> Damn!! That's awsome (as they say in my country)!!!! I wish I were back in merry ole' England. Best of luck to you and to all that performs...(just dreaming here, but maybe the word'll get 'round) Richard Thompson, Fairport, Elvis C., Sade, Pooka, John Martyn, Robyn Hitchcock, Peter Gabriel, Nigel Kenedy, hmmmm who else could possibly "just pop by" for a tune or two??? Does this mean we might hear another great "Live at the Troubadour" tape in the future? Yes, very cool, indeed. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:04:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Music... Hymns... etc (NJC) Funny joke. How can you tell which are the Unitarian Universalists who are singing hymns? They're the ones reading the lyrics ahead of time to make sure they agree with them. Jerry If you are UU you'll get it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:19:32 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Three Meals w/ the Jonimeisters!!! Hello Wally and JiMDLites, Wow!!! What a cool update. The new picture of Wally and Joni is tiling my computer screen now. <> (How's Joni's pool game?...Does she favour stripes or solids?) I'm going right now to send some energy your way right now. So that you may be more comfortable, healthy and whole. Please receive it. I see many more of these "My Dinners With Joni" in your future and you need your practice telling them to us. Be happy and clear my friend, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:39:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mariana (since Bob asked) (NJC) In a message dated Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:37:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Kakki" writes: <> Great...I should have known you'd be looking out for her Kakki. And I think you're right, she doesn't need to be here anymore, especially since nowadays it seems like every other post starts off with "Back when I was a kid", or "Back in the 60's (or 70's)"...:~D Hopefully we're not becoming a bunch of grumpy old men & women! :~) Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Sky Blue & Black" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified Hi Gang! Here's the next installment of the millennium countdown to be Jonified. And wow, Joni is going to place better than Gerswin! (although I must say I'm not particularly impressed with the placement of all the artists to date) BTW should these countdown posts be labeled NJC or not? 59 Sheryl Crow    58 Louie Armstrong    57 Dave Matthews    56 Sarah McLachlan    55 Glenn Miller    54 Peter Gabriel    53 Muddy Waters    52 George Gershwin    51 Roy Orbison 50 David Bowie   :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:05:58 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Misc. (VLJC) Boy it's a hassle not having my home computer!!! It has been in the shop since Monday, and it's a little difficult for me to keep up with the email at work. There were almost 100 emails from the JMDL when I signed on this morning so I missed out on a few threads, but I did want to mention a couple of things. As for Joni's Jazz tape, Bob M. remarks: <<3. The more I listen to the whole collection, the more I like it, so give it some extra listens and let it grow on you...the first time through IS pretty rough. Surely Joni's opinions regarding her "peers" weren't aided much by hearing singers with no feel for pitch or rhythms.>> I found this to be so true. The more I've listened to the concert, the more I like it. The first time I listened to the tape I thought Chaka had the only great performance (probably because I'm a big fan of hers). I guess when we hear a concert of Joni tunes, we start to compare the songs with how Joni sings them. There's only *one* Joni, and no one can sing her songs like she does! Realizing that fact and after several listens, the rest of the artists have grown on me (even Jane Siberry who I thought was Anne Margaret singing "Strange Boy".........I was waiting for her to start singing "Bye Bye Birdie". I'm sorry to all of the Siberry fans, I need to listen to one of *her* CD's for a fair assessment. And for an old dying thread "Racial Slurs", I learned something new this morning. Someone mentioned the term "Cracker" which being from the south, I've heard all of my life. Growing up I never thought of Cracker as a racial slur. Later in life I learned that it was not PC to call someone a Cracker as it meant a poor white person of the rural southeastern United States. My older sisters and brother always referred to themselves as "Florida Crackers", and they would tease me just because I was born in Jacksonville (which IS in Florida) as a *Jacksonville Turd*. I have no clues where they came up with that, but that's older siblings for ya. As for what I learned this morning after reading the newspaper, this weekend is the Cheese and Florida Cracker Festival in Everglades City (not far from me). The article states " Cracker is the name given Florida natives in honor the first settlers who were mostly cowboys and *cracked* the whip to round up cattle". So I've learned something new and now I can say I'm proud to be called a Cracker .........even though my brother and sisters still call me a "Jacksonville Turd". Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:10:42 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified Wow, I used to think I was good at this - oh well, here's my attempt... > 59 Sheryl Crow - performed at the Walden Woods benefit recorded on the AT&T CD w/JM >    > 58 Louie Armstrong -- (could there be some connection thru Furry Lewis - like he and LA both recorded something?) >    > 57 Dave Matthews - does Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" and Joni has toured w/Dylan >    > 56 Sarah McLachlan - recorded JM's "Blue" >    > 55 Glenn Miller - recorded "Summertime" which JM has also performed >    > 54 Peter Gabriel - JM recorded DED (or was it CMIRS) at PG's studio >    > 53 Muddy Waters - Bonnie Raitt recorded (can't think of song title...help!) by MW, and also recorded JM's "That Song About the Midway" >    > 52 George Gershwin - wrote "Summertime" which JM has performed >    > 51 Roy Orbison - recorded w/Traveling Willburys w/George Harrison who started Apple Studios w/the rest of the Beatles. Apple was the label James Taylor first recorded for... the rest is history (herstory, songstory?) > > 50 David Bowie - (if Bing Crosby ever recorded "Both Sides Now" (did he?) then he and DB did a Christmas special together-you get the idea...) some of this feels like I cheated... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:11:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 13 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs in New Haven, Connecticut at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum. She performs the song "Jungle Line" from her just released new album "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". 1980: Today, Rolling Stone publishes a review of the album "Shadows and Light." It read: "The extraordinary power of Shadows and Light, one of a handful of great live rock albums, took me by surprise, since Joni Mitchell is primarily a studio artist, not a concert performer... This is the finest ensemble that Mitchell has worked with, and her exhilarating vocals reflect her complete confidence in these musicians." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revsalrs.htm 1997: Today's Rolling Stone publishes a story called "Women of Rock: The Seventies" as says of Joni: "Her difficulties as a lover, she decided, involved the same character trait that prodded her art past the blander boundaries of pop: 'I'm a confronter by nature,' she concluded. 'I have a tendency to confront my relationships much more often than people would care. I'm always being told that I talk too much.'" Read it all at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs971113.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:23:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Misc. (NJC) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > Someone mentioned the term "Cracker" which being from the south, I've heard > all of my life. Growing up I never thought of Cracker as a racial slur. Later > in life I learned that it was not PC to call someone a Cracker as it meant a > poor white person of the rural southeastern United States. My older sisters > and brother always referred to themselves as "Florida Crackers", and they > would tease me just because I was born in Jacksonville (which IS in Florida) > as a *Jacksonville Turd*. I have no clues where they came up with that, but > that's older siblings for ya. > As for what I learned this morning after reading the newspaper, this weekend > is the Cheese and Florida Cracker Festival in Everglades City (not far from > me). The article states " Cracker is the name given Florida natives in honor > the first settlers who were mostly cowboys and *cracked* the whip to round up > cattle". So I've learned something new and now I can say I'm proud to be > called a Cracker .........even though my brother and sisters still call me a > "Jacksonville Turd". There is another theory of how the term cracker emerged. It was also that their early houses were built very plainly and referred to as cracker boxes, and their residents as crackers. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:42:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified I'll take Millinnium Countdown for $500 please Alex ; I'm sure someone will beat me to this but I know a few easy ones: 56 Sarah McLachlan Sarah will be singing "Blue" on the tribute album 52 George Gershwin Joni sang two Gershwin tunes on Herbie Hancock's "Gershwins World" CD "The Man I Love" and "Summertime" 51 Roy Orbison Roy performed his famous song "Crying" as a duet with k.d. Lang. k.d. will be singing "Help Me" on the tribute album Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Gastwirt There is an intersting article in the new Sound and Vision (formerly Stereo Review, formerly High Fidelity) on Joe Gastwirt who remastered Hits and Misses. It has a photo of the Hits cd in the article and discusses HDCD at length. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:18:25 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: teeth dreams (NJC) Another toothie delurks...... ;-) Oh goodness yes, I have this dream quite often. Until this thread began, I didn't know if anyone else had quite the same one. It's reassuring to know I'm not alone :-) For me, the actual sensations of my teeth falling out are so vivid, that I am always surprised to discover that I am still in possession of the same number of teeth as I went to bed with the previous night. I really can feel them dislodging from the gums and the subsequent pain. Eeeew. Jason, now a recognised member of the "Joni Discussion List Teeth Dreamers".... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:47:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified "Cheatin' Anne" said: << 58 Louie Armstrong -- (could there be some connection thru Furry Lewis - like he and LA both recorded something?)>> Possible, but he and Ella did a Gershwin album, so you can connect him that way too... << 54 Peter Gabriel - JM recorded DED (or was it CMIRS) at PG's studio>> And more directly, PG and JM duet on "Secret Place"...    << 51 Roy Orbison - recorded w/Traveling Willburys w/George Harrison who started Apple Studios w/the rest of the Beatles. Apple was the label James Taylor first recorded for... the rest is history (herstory, songstory?)>> And of course, Dylan was a Wilbury too as was Tom Petty, both have performed with Joni directly... << 50 David Bowie - (if Bing Crosby ever recorded "Both Sides Now" (did he?) then he and DB did a Christmas special together-you get the idea...)>> Well, I ain't no Bowie expert, but I DO know that Stevie Ray played guitar on "Let's Dance", and Stevie also covers some Hendrix (Little Wing, Voodoo Chile), and PM Dawn played on the Hendrix tribute CD and at Joni's celebration in Central Park. Stevie Ray also covers some Willie Dixon tunes, Willie played with Muddy, so that can cover Muddy too! Anyway, good job Anne...but like Hank said, your "cheatin'" heart will tell on you! :~) NP: Beatles, "Yellow Sub" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:57:41 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Music... Hymns... etc (NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote: > Funny joke. > How can you tell which are the Unitarian Universalists who are singing > hymns? > They're the ones reading the lyrics ahead of time to make sure they > agree with them. > > Jerry > > If you are UU you'll get it. Also a joke: when was the last time the name of Jesus Christ was said in a Unitarian Universalist church? when the janitor accitentally hit his thumb. just a joke... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:55:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Buena Vista Social Club I think I remember that this film has been recommended already, but I just caught it Weds. and would encourage ANYONE who is a music fan to see it...it's a Wim Wenders documentary about Ry Cooder's assembling Cuban music legends to record in the studio and also play some live gigs. It's enjoyable on every level, especially for those of us who believe that music and the joy it brings, both in performing and in listening, is truly universal and knows no geographical or age boundaries. It was really strange...when I was watching it, I was thinking "Gee I hope Joni sees this film - she would LOVE it!"... Two thumbs WAY up...it's rated G, and it'll make you feel GOOD! And it definitely has a good beat & you can dance to it! :~) Bob NP: Sarah Vaughan, "Darn That Dream" (but I doubt it had to do with her teeth falling out...LOL!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:48:57 -0600 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: VIBE magazine Hi All, The new issue of VIBE magazine, Dec/Jan, is a double issue featuring the "100 Best Albums of the Century". They list the albums alphabetically, and Joni's Blue is among the exalted: "A white chick who strummed an acoustic guitar and sang about Woodstock, this Canadian-in-exile is the least likely influence you could imagine on The Artist Formerly Known as Prince. But he's paid her homage from day one, and her brutally bleak masterpiece show you why." Patti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:42:45 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! Some Great Deals for all the JMDLrs tonight!! Here's another $10 off $10 Barnes and Nobel. They have Joni's Anthology in-stock among other Joni goodies! Just ordered mine thanks to Kaki's earlier post about Anthology. Here is the coupon code: CZVRCH7 http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ This coupon code may also work for you: CBN2222 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.drugstore.com/ Okay, follow along here. If you use Biore products (the guys can use this too!) this will apply to you especially they have a special, buy 2 Biore products,and get a free LILLITH FAIR MUSIC CD free (one artist on it is the great Sarah Mclaughlin) I ordered 2 of the 6 count nose strips for 4.99 ea. once those are in your basket, the cd will automatically be added. Now go to http://www.drugstore.com/promos/mcdonalds.asp?code=kit to get your free first aid kit, and make the shipping cost only $1 then go to http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?code=rewards&aid=9531&aparam=10-promo to get $10 off your order for a $10 purchase. You need 2 cents more to purchase..I got toothbrush caps for .89 cents check your basket now, you should have the Philosophy gift set in there, free with any purchase...got mine already, a great little gift!!... if it didnt add in, go to http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?code=12A601AB&trx=4001? Now check your basket, you should have the 2 Biore products, your small item to round out the total to over $10, your free cd, your free Philosophy kit, your free First Aid Kit, and only $1 shipping fee. Need more? The last post said if you order one of the drugstore.com items, you will get a free bottle of 110 drugstore.com ibuprofen. I didnt try this, because of credit restraints on amount of total order price, but you could try ordering a drugstore.com product instead of the toothbrush caps..and see if it adds in the ibuprofen. i think you'll find the total order well worth the charged price :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In honor of Joni's cats!!! Go to: http://206.31.111.100/checkmark/purina/treats/treats.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't be a TURKEY. WIN ONE!!! The turkey's voice will have you rolling on the floor! What a riot!! Call toll-free 1-888-462-2538 UPC# 72290 01115 (Doesn't work in everyone's calling area. 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Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:56:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni at Barnes & Nobel & Sarah Mclaughlin at drugstore.com!!!! Wow Laura, Thanks for tips on all the goodies! I especially recommend the drugstore.com to everyone. I've gotten loads of stuff for practically nothing from there thanks to you. Plus I love the neat packing materials they use to ship - they are just perfect for shipping out my martini glasses to people!! ;-D Kakki NP: JF Boxed Set (Remastered version - wow!) Marian - Yvette in English ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:05:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Gigs of the Year NJC - (but Sib content!) Rob and Azeem, Your reviews of the Jane Siberry show were so descriptive and wonderful that you've finally hooked me into checking her out. I think she performed in L.A. this week but I couldn't make it and now am sorry I didn't drag myself out. > PS: I'm sure the audience must've been full of celebrities, and I wanted > Kakki to be there to spot them for me. I read on the siblings list that > Eddi Reader was there. Ha! I wish I could have been there. You all need to come visit L.A. so I can take you on the full tour ;-) Kakki NP: ChuckE - Wichita Lineman at Atty Mays ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:40:08 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Atty May Finale Singer (NJC) Bev wrote: "Question: WHO is that singing "My Funny Valentine" at the end of the CD at Atty May's? All I can is - WOW! I love this standard and love this singer's vocal gymnastics; going almost Minnie Ripperton (compliment) in some places, and dropping down a couple of octaves on the next note, only to jump back up again. I was just blown away. The singer wasn't credited. Is it a new list member? Would love to hear more!" That is a girl named Nikki that showed up towards the end of our day at Atty May's with a full band in tow. They were a show band that had a gig down the road and they came in and rocked the house. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:25:46 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: VIBE magazine Patti Haskins wrote: >The new issue of VIBE magazine, Dec/Jan, is a double issue featuring the >"100 Best Albums of the Century". They list the albums alphabetically, and >Joni's Blue is among the exalted: >"A white chick who strummed an acoustic guitar and sang about Woodstock, >this Canadian-in-exile is the least likely influence you could imagine on >The Artist Formerly Known as Prince. But he's paid her homage from day one, >and her brutally bleak masterpiece show you why." Ignoring the description "white chick", forgetting about the "in-exile" thing, passing over the "least likely influence on The Artist..." jab, what has piqued my interest is "her brutally bleak masterpiece". Blue is a masterpiece, that is undeniable, but is it bleak?, is it BRUTALLY BLEAK? I've heard Blue described in this way before and I don't agree with this assessment. To illustrate my point I've devised The Blue Bleakness Scale. The scale begins at -5 and ends at +5. Negative five is Brutally Bleak. Positive five is Charmingly Cheerful. Zero is middle of the road. I rate the bleakness of the songs as follows: - -5 BLUE - -5 LITTLE GREEN - -4 RIVER - -4 THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD - -2 A CASE OF YOU - -1 THIS FLIGHT TONIGHT 3 ALL I WANT 4 MY OLD MAN 4 CALIFORNIA 5 CAREY So...6 of the 10 songs rate on the Bleak side, which does indicate a Bleak feel to the album, however it is not nearly enough to qualify it as Brutally Bleak. On the "O'Connor Bleakness Scale" the record averages out to a 0.5 degree of Bleakness, only 1/10 th of the 5 degrees of Bleakness needed to be Brutally Bleak. (Bleakness everywhere and little lights shine, Bleakness, Bleakness dragging me down...) And (as if I haven't wasted enough time on this already) some snippets of reviews of Blue: "The album is a marvelously sensitive portrait of love and romance, from the times of semi-desperation and regret to those of comfort and celebration." Robert Hillburn in the LA Times, June, 1971 "...and while the songs swing from slow sad songs to happier more buoyant numbers the overall feel is in fact reflected in the title. This is shown nicely in "Little Green" (a slower track with memories of the first album's sadness, then into "Carey", a bouncy song with a faster tempo and much rosier outlook." Billy Walker, Sounds July 3 1971 "River" is an extended mea culpa that reeks of self-pity ("I'm so hard to handle/I'm so selfish and so sad/ Now I've lost the best baby /that I ever had"). And yet, despite the title song, Blue is overall the freest, brightest, most cheerfully rhythmic album Joni has yet released." Timothy Crouse, Rolling Stone Aug. 5, 1971 POC NP: A pristine vinyl copy of Blue from my sister-in-law's (talk about Bleak!!!) record collection, I don't think she ever played the thing. P.S. Aside from "redneck" and "sunset pig" I can't find a slur, racial or otherwise on the entire record!! :>D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:27:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Millennium Coutdown to be Jonified > > 58 Louie Armstrong -- (could there be some connection thru Furry Lewis - like he and LA both recorded something?) Louis recorded a couple of tunes with Billie Holiday and also starred with her in the movie 'New Orleans'. Billie recorded 'Comes Love'. Or you could also go with Billie being a close friend of Annie Ross. Annie wrote the lyrics to 'Twisted'. Mark in Seattle getting ready to write his report of Hendricks & Ross at Jazz Alley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown to be Jonified Mark wrote: <> Joni serendipity, that of the 10 on the countdown, the only one you should chime in on is L.A., Mark! This week I was working for a NYC lawyer who also has a house out here on the West Coast a couple of blocks from me. Turns out he's a music slut and huge Joni fan. ;-) He's seen her on the street a couple times in NYC, to boot. So I took over some of the tape trees for him to hear while I was working (geez, I love my job!) and we visited on all sorts of music topics. But here's the serendipity part. Louis Armstrong's name came up, and he's starts telling me that about 4 years ago L.A.'s residence in NYC was made into a museum. Apparently Louis had a bunch of reel to reels from when he would set up his recorder at the beginning of a party and let it run for the duration of the time his guests were there. Dave, the lawyer, said that it's so cool to hear these tapes playing of Louis with all these friends he has over just joining in spontaneously during the party. The second Dave said "yeah, quests would just wander over to the mic, people like Billie Holiday,...." wouldn't ya know it, the first face that popped into my head was yours, not Billie's. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:38:44 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Jazz legends in the flesh - Henricks & Ross at Jazz Alley (long) Last night I had the great pleasure & privilege of sitting about 10 feet from Jon Hendricks & Annie Ross as they performed at the Seattle jazz club, Jazz Alley. Most of you probably already know that this duo was once two thirds of the legendary be-bop jazz trio of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross which Joni cites as one of her musical influences. They also recorded the original versions of the songs 'Twisted' and 'Centerpiece'. Some of the work they did in the genre known as vocalese is truly amazing. Vocalese is the art of taking an instrumental piece & turning it into a vocal piece by writing lyrics and assigning the parts of the various musical instruments to different voices. LHR did an entire album of Count Basie instrumental numbers as exercises in vocalese that was called 'Sing A Song of Basie'. I just happened to have my vinyl copy of that record with me last night. It now has Annie & Jon's signatures on the front. ;-) I made a reservation for dinner for my friend Jan & myself for 7:00 so we could eat and then catch the 8 o'clock set. It was pouring rain when I arrived a few minutes before 7. Jan got stuck in traffic on the Mercer Island floating bridge & was 20 minutes late. But we finally settled in at our table which was maybe six feet from the stage and right smack in front of where the singers would perform. We had dinner & were finishing up when the quartet that accompanied Hendricks & Ross came on stage and played a nice, easy going, jazz piece. There was a pianist, a bassist, drummer & guitarist and all of them were more than up to the job. A very tight combo and all accomplished musicians in their own right, they each had a chance to shine periodically through the night during various solos. After one number from the band, Hendricks & Ross hit the stage and it was sheer bliss from then on and more fun than I've had since Labor Day! It may have been raining outside, but inside Jazz Alley the weather was fine! Hendricks was looking dapper in a long white coat that had a nautical look to it (he made a crack about looking like 'The Captain & Tenille' at one point) and Annie was striking in her close-cropped copper-colored hair and classic simple black dress. The energy they displayed belied their ages and they really made the joint jump. After a short set together, Jon left the stage and Annie let loose with 'Twisted' explaining its origins as a Wardell Gray sax solo before she started. This woman's voice may not be what it used to be but she still has the genius and ability to use it to excite an audience. While singing with Hendricks she made frequent use of her falsetto & she can still wail like a trumpet or punctuate a phrase with short trumpet-like bursts. 'Twisted' performed by its author was sublime. She thanked us, but I yelled 'thank *you* at the end of 'Twisted' She also sang a lovely lilting version of 'Speak Low' and another of her own compositions called 'Music Is Forever'. This song is Annie's tribute to musicians that have passed on. Her message to them and to all of us was that these jazz greats live on because *music is forever*. Hendricks joined her again and after another number or two that fully displayed this duo's amazing agility with a complex melody and rapid-fire lyrics, Annie bowed out and let Jon have his turn. Jon Hendricks' voice is still about as good as when LRH made their classic recordings in the 50's. Soulful and astoundingly nimble, he performed his version of an elegant bossa nova number that he called 'Everytime I Hear This Song'. He used a drum stick as a prop to pantomime playing a flute and whistled during part of this number and it was a wonderful, magical effect. He also performed what he called 'a work in progress', a vocalese version of a Charlie Parker composition. In his intro to this number he said that Parker sure was long-winded. This became quite evident during some of the long, tongue-twisting lines that came cascading from the man's mouth during this song. He hit each note with exact precision and enunciated each syllable & word (although quite a few of those words were sung much too fast for human ears to catch). Both of these singers have amazing ability to sing rapidly and precisely. It takes your breath away to watch & hear it. Annie came back on stage to complete the first set and they closed with a number from 'Sing A Song of Basie' called 'Avenue C'. The place exploded when they finished and most of us were on our feet. Jan & I were both so delighted, we decided we had to stay for the second set. I headed to the restroom during the break. The hallway that leads to the restrooms just happens to be the same hallway that goes to the dressing rooms. I could see Annie & Jon standing in the hall signing cds. So I hurried back to our table & grabbed my vinyl copy of 'Sing A Song of Basie'. While Annie was signing the album cover I told Jon that a copies of the Joni's Jazz tapes were in the mail to him. He was delighted and Annie piped up with 'I want a copy of that!' and I told her I was fairly certain that a copy was being included for her as well (I hope that's right Simon & Kakki). Annie seemed a little nervous & uncomfortable but she was very gracious. She seemed a little surprised when I gave her that old vinyl record to sign and said something like 'Oh my God!'. I told her there was more room for her to write than on a cd. Annie Ross was a friend of Billie Holiday's toward the end of Billie's life. Most of you probably know, apart from my admiration for Annie as a singer & writer, what it meant to me to stand so close to and converse even for only a few minutes with someone who was a friend of Lady Day's. I didn't mention this to Annie (I really only spoke with her very briefly) as I wanted her to know that I was thrilled to meet her just for herself. Jon was more relaxed and very friendly. Seemed like just a regular kinda guy. You'd never know he was a musical genius from his easy-going manner. But that is most certainly what he is. The second set had very few repeated songs from the first. I don't know if my choice of record to present for an autograph had anything to do with it or not, but they did quite a few songs from 'Sing A Song of Basie' during the second set. 'Everyday', 'Two For the Blues', 'One O'clock Jump', 'Little Pony', 'Fiesta In Blue' and 'Down For the Count', all from that album, were part of their second show. Hendricks had changed into a satiny gold suit that caught &reflected the various colored stage lights and Annie's simple black dress was changed for a simple bright red dress. She was a flame of energy & delight throughout. Jon repeated 'Everytime I Hear This Song' and sang another bossa nova interpretation that he called 'I Still Love You'. Both were sublime. He also performed a number that came from a Thelonious Monk piece which was another tongue-twisting, melodically-convoluted piece. He sang it perfectly. Annie did a version of 'I Got It Bad (And That Ain't Good)' during her solo stint that could have reduced a stone statue to tears. She also sang a song based on another Wardell Gray solo that had something to do with a mouse on her blouse who played the sax but couldn't get union scale when he went pro. It was a hoot! I think they closed with 'Down For the Count' but since all of their songs were electrifying it's hard to remember which one they ended with. 'Tickletoe', which is from a Lester Young (aka Porkpie Hat aka The Prez) composition was another standout & may have been the closer. Unfortunately for all of us in the audience, they did not do an encore. :-( I read in the paper that Hendricks & Ross were using the guitar to fill in the missing voice of Dave Lambert. It seemed to work fine. They were amazingly successful at recapturing the bounce & excitement of their recordings. Coupled with the special energy that passes back and forth between performers and their audience, the excitement this performance generated transcended into true magic. Joni isn't the only one who owes a debt to Lambert, Hendricks & Ross. I sometimes think 'The Manhattan Transfer' would never have existed without them. Watching & hearing Annie Ross & Jon Hendricks amounted to nothing less than pure, unadulterated joy. If I had the time & the money I'd go back & see them again. If any of you get the extraordinary opportunity of seeing them, grab it. It's well worth it and you won't forget it. I know I won't. Ever. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #511 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?