From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #510 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, November 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 510 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- teeth dreams (NJC) [evian ] (NJC) Reply To Colin (2 of 2) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:52:30 -0600 From: evian Subject: teeth dreams (NJC) Oh God, this is so bizarre. I often have the dream of losing my teeth. Either one will fall out and I will freak out that I will end up looking like a hillbilly unless I get to the dentist asap, or they just crumble to itty-bitty pieces. I've always thought "Oh, this must symbolize some hideous fear", but when I think about it, I simply have always had a fear of losing my teeth. Let me tell you, I am so paranoid of losing my teeth that when floss gets stuck sometimes between my one molar and the neighboring tooth (which it often does, probably from this botched filling I have), I have this huge hissy-fit that the whole damn tooth is going to fly out of my mouth when I finally yank the floss free. I stand there and get all frantic, thinking "You shoulda just skipped that tooth, leave well enough alone... Oh God, how will you live without that molar!" Also, being severely dental-phobic, it probably rests in the back of my mind that losing a tooth would mean some long horrid procedure to put it back in. I don't know why, but the dentist just freaks me out...I'd rather go for a complete physical everyday and then be cured of my ailments by leeches and a good old-fashioned bloodletting than endure the dentist! Anyway, just had to share my teeth dreams with y'all! TGIF! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: (NJC) Reply To Colin (2 of 2) - --WebTV-Mail-26968-1462 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit (What I have included in the following forward of a private reply to Colin contains no snips from his personal replies to me, only the snip from the on-list post I approached him about. It is both ethical and within list etiquette for me to defend myself in this manner. I don't have any of the one's Colin sent to me, wouldn't ever use them for blackmail purposes anyway, but thankfully I did save the following, from me to him, for my own protection.) And for any future battles Colin tries to shame me into, I'll make no reply and rest in Proverbs 18:17 " The first to plead his case seems just, Until another comes to examine him." And hopefully wisdom will guide others to accurate conclusions concerning the complete validity of the next attempt to rip at me, despite what gets thrown out, without me even having to make qualifing statements. Besides, it's embarrassing to have to defend oneself....but like I said earlier, this one made me feel I had to in order to continue to contribute anything to the list. And Colin, despite hating some of the things you say, and probably much more accurately, the way you sometimes express your thoughts, I'll continue to maintain sincere fondness and compassion for the person God created and loves. Thanks for listening, and I have no desire to ever waste this much bandwidth or time, mine or yours, again. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey - --WebTV-Mail-26968-1462 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRJEA1kMiTHdGZ9U9mzRPKiNYY0LQIUUBS1AKHDtXO+qY7EtebSiSg36a4= From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:01:40 -0700 (PDT) To: catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk (catman) Subject: Re: Explanation Message-ID: <1793-3793BC64-21583@postoffice-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: catman 's message of Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:38:59 +0100 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Dear Colin, You wrote: And of course there are those who think, thru fear and ignorance and lack of thinking ability, that it is 'of the devil'. What I was asking you to try to be sensitive about, was what if I or another Christian from the list stated what you did above in the opposite?...."And of course there are those who think thru arrogance, ignorance and lack of thinking ability, that it is NOT "of the devil". Do you see how that sounds like anyone who does not believe the same is being called an blind idiot? People are offended when they're called names for what they believe. I was just asking you to try to word your posts more carefully so people are less likely to be offended...that's all. Colin, I know you have a very soft heart and I appreciate that very, very much. What I wrote you about this morning had nothing to do with your being gay. Colin, I really don't care what your sexual orientation is, that's strickly between you and your God....it's none of my business or anybody elses! And I know we've had our go arounds, but I would much rather just get along. I am tremendously sorry you were spiritually abused earlier in life and that who ever did that to you represented God to you in such a horrible a way. I don't see Him as a tyrant either! Please stop saying I do! God is not the problem, He never has been.....He's perfect and He loves us, and is gracious, and wants to have a meaningful relationship with us all. But the people that *say* they represent God are not perfect, and they won't be until Heaven, don't look at their imperfections, just look at God's perfect attributes to see the God I worship. We all need God's love to make it through our time here on Earth! Can we agree on that? I would hope you could find it in your heart to not assume that simply because I state that I am a Christian, that that somehow means I'm like the ones who abused you or that I go around judging people, because I don't. I would much rather just love them, then spend my time defending my faith when I get attacked for simply for being a Christian. Just like I'm sure you've tired of defending yourself for being gay. But Colin, I never have been judging you....I'm on your side! I want for your happiness and peace, please accept that! Let's just get along, OK? Penny PS Have you spoken to Susan LA? She hasn't posted since her last reply to me on-list. I'm concerned if she's OK. - --WebTV-Mail-26968-1462-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #510 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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