From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #503 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 503 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Delurking ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long ["Helen M. Adcock"] Re: Happy Birthday to Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long ["Kakki" ] Re: Happy Birthday!!! [Deb Messling ] Re: Jon, Annie, Kakki, Patrick, and Les (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: false alarms kinda long ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Baerwald and Indio ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Happy birthday [Janene Otten ] Full heart - time of year ["Paul Castle" ] RE: You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio [Louis Lynch ] The "No-Va" Awards ... amusing NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: How's Carly Simon? ["Bill Dollinger" ] Today in Joni History - November 8 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - November 7 [Today in Joni History ] Tequila anaconda [Steve Dulson ] Tequila anaconda [Steve Dulson ] No Anchovies (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Herbie Hancock (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] such a baby! (NJC) ["P. Henry" ] De-lurking day? (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien - report (NJC) ["Marian Russell" ] RE: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long ["patrick leader" ] HB and 'Dreamland' [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien - report (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Slurs, DJRD (final thoughts) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:33:17 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Delurking Andy wrote: >I do want to say that as a lurker I've been so impressed with the >intelligence, sensitivity, understanding, and humor that all you >'regulars' display in your postings. I feel that I know many of you, >and have so much respect for you. Wow - what a great post! Thanks for including me, Andy - although I feel a little humbled by your comments. The JMDL is a great place though, isn't it?! I'm finally catching up after 3 days of not having time to even read my mail, let alone reply to anything - 397 posts to read! I know what you mean about missing threads though. Sometimes if I get a quiet patch at work, I'll go and read my mail through the gateway, and delete stuff that I don't want to reply to, but sometimes even the 8 hours to get home seems to late to reply - it's annoying that I can't post from work! Anyway, better get on with my replies - lots of time to make up! Helen NP - Melissa Etheridge - Bring Me Some Water - a duet with a vocally challenged Kiwi, who's under the mistaken impression she can actually sing! The cat's done a runner, and God help the neighbours! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:31:15 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long Catherine asked a question about Xmas vs. Thanksgiving in Canada and the US. I can't comment on Thanksgiving (since we don't celebrate it), so I'll fill you in on what used to be a typical Xmas day here in NZ, when I was growing up. I feel the need to write copiously - 3 days abstinence from the JMDL is too much. Sorry. Delete here if you can't bear to go any further, I'll understand. Xmas Day started with the "opening of the presents", assuming my oldest brother could be dragged out of bed before 11am - food was usually an effective lure. It's always a ritual, and it's traditional for the youngest family member to "hand out" the gifts, in a proportional manner (my brothers got a bit antsy if they didn't have something to open at the same time). Until the age of 26, I was the youngest family member. I hated that job. I always felt guilty for stopping to open a gift myself, even if they were all that was left. Now my 5- and 7-year-old niece and nephew have inherited the job, so I can sit back and gorge myself on peanuts and dried fruit, like everyone else. Of course now I realise that as a child you get 3 times as many presents as everyone else, which is why everyone resented how much time it took to open them. Once the gifts had been opened, and the mutual admiration had dwindled into the "God, why did he buy me THAT - I'm not 12 anymore" and "Oh God, another t-shirt with glitter on it - I can't even use them as rags, they scratch the bath...." the serious business of serving the midday meal would begin - this activity involved the females only. The males were sprawled on couches, drinking, and reading everyone else's Xmas books. By the way, it was summer in Northland, NZ. It was hot, it was quite often wet (it was always unusual for it NOT to be raining on Xmas day), and it was usually really humid. So of course the obvious thing to do was to follow our UK heritage and have a huge hot roast chicken or turkey dinner at midday, with hot boiled potatoes, carrots, peas, brussel sprouts, broccoli and gravy. Followed by steamed pudding. With hot custard. Lovely if it's cold and snowing outside. Not so lovely in 99% humidity. The meal generally took two hours, after which all the males mysteriously disappeared, while the females, rinsed, stacked, washed, dried, and stacked the dishes (this is 20 years ago, remember - pre-dishwasher days). It's funny how I associate the sound of a flushing toilet with the words "Where shall I put the wet tea-towel, now that we've finished the dishes" - and suddenly all the males in the house reappeared. About 5pm, everyone was finally back in the living room, either asleep, too full to move, unconscious from too much food or in some cases (I won't name names) too many pre-dinner sherries. Then we'd watch the Queen's Xmas Day message - another UK ancestry thing, or maybe just a Commonwealth thing. Either way, I usually got told off for playing with my toys (the first time I'd laid hands on them) too loudly, or trying to get someone to come and "play outside". I can remember one Xmas, sitting under the clothesline in my newly acquired and assembled paddling pool (sans water) hoping it would rain really hard, because no one would come and get the hose out for me. Anyway, I digress. About 6pm, it was time for dinner. Ridiculous to even consider, I know, but it was "tradition". Cold chicken or turkey (if there were any left-overs), baked ham, and salads. And cold steamed pudding. And custard. How we didn't end up in hospital with ruptured stomachs I'll never know. Then at about 9pm, coffee and Xmas cake. Heavy, rich fruit cake, covered in almond icing and fondant. Hard as a rock, and almost as much flavour. Almost. Actually that's a bit cruel to my mother - the cake was always quite nice, but the timing was terrible. After a day of continuous eating (and I haven't even mentioned the peppermint candy canes and chocolate marshmallow Santas hung on the tree) on one of the hottest, most humid days of the year - whatever you eat last is going to taste awful! So that was a typical Xmas Day in New Zealand in the 70's/80's. We've come a long way since then. The weather's usually better, and we're at the beach. We eat roast chicken, but at about 3pm, and with a salad. Or we have a barbeque - fresh king prawns, or steak - with salad. Then at about 6pm we all go for a swim and work it off. Then cold ham and salad at about 9pm. Much better! The gift-giving ceremony hasn't changed too much. It's still the youngest persons job, and they definitely get the most gifts, although with the enthusiasm of youth, it's normally about 8am in the morning, not 11am! This year I'm avoiding the whole thing, by staying put for Xmas, having a BBQ with friends in the afternoon, which will progress into serious drinking and singing by 9pm, and totally unrestrained debauchery by midnight. Well, we have to practice for New Year's Eve, don't we!? I'll see the family later in January, when the whole thing has calmed down (and all the Xmas cake has been eaten - "Oh, did I miss out. Well, never mind, I'll get some next year"). Sorry to take up bandwidth with this drivel - maybe one or two people might get a glimmer of interest out of my ravings, but I really felt the need to get it out of my system! Xmas is looming, and until last week, I thought I was going to have to go through it all again. Helen NP - Melissa Etheridge - Bring Me Some Water (3rd time around, but I stopped my accompaniment after the cat bit me). _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:23:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Joni Dear Joni, I tried to post by midnight but have a feeling you are not only still up but that the party is just getting going. I wish you much joy and happiness on your birthday and all through the coming year. Thank you for always bringing so much delight, inspiration and solace into our lives through your music, art and life. Love, .... your fellow night owl, Kakki ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:27:46 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long > Catherine asked a question about Xmas vs. Thanksgiving in Canada and the US. > I can't comment on Thanksgiving (since we don't celebrate it), so I'll fill > you in on what used to be a typical Xmas day here in NZ, when I was growing > up. I feel the need to write copiously - 3 days abstinence from the JMDL is > too much. Sorry. Delete here if you can't bear to go any further, I'll > understand. Helen, this made me howl!! Thank you for taking us on a hilarious journey through Christmas in New Zealand. I think you, Don, Evian and Catherine have to start doing lunch and taking script meetings as soon as possible. Can I be you guys' agent? Hollywood Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:36:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Lurker Days I was so happy to see some of our wonderful lurkers and MIAs (hey Craig!) decloak the past few days. Please don't ever be concerned about being late on threads or feeling shy or hesitant to wander onlist. And I know there's a lot more out there we haven't heard from in awhile - please keep the posts coming! Kakki NP: Byrds - Ballad of Easy Rider ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 06:49:42 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!!! Can you clarify this statement? Am I reading correctly that there is some reason he won't reply these interviews? >I begged him to replay the archives of his interviews with her. Not anymore >thanks to Bob M. and Dennis Leong. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:36:15 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Jon, Annie, Kakki, Patrick, and Les (NJC) In a message dated 11/8/1999 12:29:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << I kinda feel better about some of my Joni performances forgetting where I was and leaving out words >> Michael, My thoughts exactly! Singing in front of the jmdler's must have felt similar to those performers who had Joni in the audience. It was nerve wracking! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:02:39 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: false alarms kinda long Jamie, I've been through your notes on 'Amelia and false alarms' prompted by one of my mail. It's strange how meaning can change when you get to know new things... I've always thought of Amelia as a highly poetic and visionary 'virtual' letter from Joni to Amelia Earhardt, with whom she felt a sort of spiritual and intellectual link. Both are women who have left a mark in the 'man's world', both are very ambitious -looking forward their next challenge, both have suffered the consequences of their daring decisions. This goes quite well with what you write in your mail. Of course one may find hundreds of interpretations for lyrics and poetry, and this surely is the case for Joni's complex way of writing. So I understand what you say about: >'Maybe I've never really loved, I guess that is the truth. I've spent the >whole life in clouds at icy altitudes'. This verse and the next relates to >the change in her music and voice. IMHO. In interviews she has said that >she was criticised by audiences during this Rolling Thunder for not being >able to relate to her audience, for having a voice that was so high that it >was in clouds. It also is a double entendre saying that Clouds, the album, >doesn't relate to herself or anyone anymore, that it was past it's prime >and on to a new way. Hence,'I pulled into the CactusTree Motel' i.e. that >period of her music was only a stepping stone, a stopping point, on a much >longer journey. The dreams, dreams and false alarms were just dead ends >where she would swing by but not dwell for long. However, I still like to think of this verse ('Maybe I've never really loved...') as the sad confession of a human being whose sensibility leads he/she to a sort of isolation from the crowd, not because of pretenciousness but because of the willingness of looking for more, because of a struggle going on in his/her spirit. Living in such a state of mind (with the 'mind in the clouds') can be dangerous at times: you look down at the crowd, at what you have achieved so far, at the chaos of what's around and (possibly) of your whole life, you lose your balance, stumble and crash down back to earth. Sometimes you "crash in somebody's arms" and think you might have finally fulfilled your dreams, but after a while you just realise it has been another false alarm. Then you can only wish to take off again and reach for the clouds. Am I living at icy altitudes as well? Anyway, thank you again for your enlightening notes, Jamie. And thank you very much Susan. Hear from you soon. Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:26:15 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Baerwald and Indio Hello again, I've been looking almost everywhere for David Baerwald's "Bedtime stories" and Indio's "Big Harvest" with no success. CDnow doesn't even know who they are. I understand that these CDs are no longer in catalogue, but is there anyone in the list that can tell me if there is a way of buying them? And, before that, is it worth chasing them, in terms of music and Joni contribution? Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:08 -0500 From: Janene Otten Subject: Happy birthday Hi, all. I am de-lurking as well to say a belated happy birthday to Joni. I did celebrate over the weekend. =) Still trying to catch up on all of my digest reading. So much to do, so little time. Janene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:22:04 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Full heart - time of year "A quiet place. A simple tape recorder. A legal pad. A notebook - and a full heart." (p.36) Jimmy Webb 'Tunesmith' Now we know what to get everyone for Christmas! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:23:16 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio Hear! Hear! "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" is my all-time favorite Joni song. I always describe it as the PERFECT pop song, because it has everything a pop song will ever need. The first time I heard it, on the radio, I was spellbound. And every time I hear it, it still makes me smile and tap my foot. And the built-in analogy never fails -- like "Electricity," it shows off Joni natural talent for creating word images. Even though there are other Joni songs that are deeper or more complicated or more touching or more whatever, I still fancy "You Turn Me On" the most. And it sounds really funky on the harp. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:09:56 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: The "No-Va" Awards ... amusing NJC My lovely wife sent this along from her advertising agency ... pretty amusing stuff. Don Rowe The Nova Awards in Communication These are nominees for the Chevy Nova Award, named in Honor of the GM's fiasco in trying to market this car in Central and South America "no va" means, of course, in Spanish, "it doesn't go" 1. The Dairy Association's huge success with the campaign "Got Milk?" prompted them to expand advertising to Mexico. It was soon brought to their attention the Spanish translation read "Are you lactating?" 2. Coors put its slogan, "Turn It Loose," into Spanish, where it was read as "Suffer From Diarrhea" 3. Scandinavian vacuum manufacturer Electrolux used the following in an American campaign: "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux" 4. Clairol introduced the "Mist Stick," a curling iron, into Germany only to find out that "mist" is slang for manure. 5. When Gerber started selling baby food in Africa, they used the same packaging as in the US, with the smiling baby on the label. Later they learned that in Africa, companies routinely put pictures on the labels of what's inside, since many people can't read. 6. Colgate introduced a toothpaste in France called Cue, the name of a notorious porno magazine. 7. An American T-shirt maker in Miami printed shirts for the Spanish market which promoted the Pope's visit Instead of "I Saw the Pope" (el Papa), the shirts read "I Saw the Potato" (la papa) 8. Pepsi's "Come Alive With the Pepsi Generation" translated into "Pepsi Brings Your Ancestors Back From the Grave" in Chinese. 9. The Coca-Cola name in China was first read as "Kekoukela", meaning "Bite the wax tadpole" or "female horse stuffed with wax", depending on the dialect. Coke then researched 40,000 characters to find a phonetic equivalent "kokou kole", translating into "happiness in the mouth." 10. Frank Perdue's chicken slogan, "It takes a strong man to make a tender chicken" was translated into Spanish as "it takes an aroused man to make a chicken affectionate" 11. When Parker Pen marketed a ball-point pen in Mexico, its ads were supposed to have read, "It won't leak in your pocket and embarrass you."The company thought that the word "embarazar" (to impregnate) meant to embarrass, so the ad read: "It won't leak in your pocket and make you pregnant!" 12. When American Airlines wanted to advertise its new leather first class seats in the Mexican market, it translated its "Fly In Leather" campaign literally, which meant "Fly Naked" (vuela en cuero) in Spanish. So much for translations! ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:17:15 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: How's Carly Simon? I saw a recent photo of her with a brief writeup i think it was in People,. said she was doing well, she looked great, on a shopping spree or something. bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark or Travis To: Jim L'Hommedieu ; Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Re: How's Carly Simon? > > > I bought a Carly Simon video concert on a public dock on Martha's > > Vineyard on America's East Coast on the Atlantic Ocean. I love "The > > Stuff That Dreams Of": > > > > "It's the stuff that dreams are made of > > It's the reason we are alive" > > > > So, my question remains, how's Carly? > > -- > > All the best, > > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... > > > > I'd like to know the answer to this myself. Colin, have you heard? > > That concert is really wonderful. Carly suffers from almost > unbearable stage fright so this Martha's Vineyard show is kind of a > rare occurrence. She really puts on a great show, mostly for family, > friends & neighbors. Her live rendition of 'Never Been Gone' is > wonderful in this setting: > > I'm bound for the island > The tide is with me > I think I can make it by dawn > Oh it's night on the ocean > And I'm going home > And it feels like > I've never > I've never been gone... > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:10:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 8 1996: Joni is taped for an appearance on the Rosie O'Donnell Show in New York City. For pictures and list member comments, go to: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/110896.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 7 1943: Joni is born in Fort MacLeod, Canada 1982: The New York Times publishes a review of Wild Things Run Fast, calling it "the most exhilaratingly high spirited album Miss Mitchell has ever made. For in addition to the edgy, syncopated folk-jazz singing that became her vocal trademark in the mid-70's, the album features several vibrant rock-and-roll performances that communicate a rare joy in being alive." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revwtnyt.htm 1994: Today's issue of Newsday gets in the Turbulent Indigo promotion act and publishes a talk with Joni. Here's Joni take on Los Angeles: "Driving in traffic is difficult, extreme. Your fellow civilians are hostile. The shopping center is full of Russians who, like, try to beat you if you don't watch your bill; they're all like black-market immigrants or something. The restaurants that I eat in are close enough to Brentwood, but there's an influx of, like, you know, sickly tourists wanting to know where the woman shops and how to copy her. You're glad to get through the day without a fire or a mudslide or a drive-by shooting. You jump in traffic when a car backfires. Lovely place to live. Full of inspiration." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/nd941107.htm 1995: Joni plays a surprise show at Greenwich's Village Fez Club in New York, in front of 200 fans, including Chrissie Hynde, Carly Simon, Natalie Merchant and Marc Cohn. For more info on the rather unique evening: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/vf9706.htm http://www.jmdl.com/articles/an951109.htm http://www.salon1999.com/05/features/carly.html 1996: Joni appearance on the CBS This Morning Show is taped today and broadcast the next day. Read list member comments and see pictures of a sleepy Joni at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/110796.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:59:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tequila anaconda Michael wrote > We can get Kakki and the gang and go build a tequila anaconda from hell. Count me in! Doesn't that sound like a concoction for the next recipe book....hehehehe..."Tequila anaconda from hell".... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:59:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tequila anaconda Michael wrote > We can get Kakki and the gang and go build a tequila anaconda from hell. Count me in! Doesn't that sound like a concoction for the next recipe book....hehehehe..."Tequila anaconda from hell".... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:01:30 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: No Anchovies (NJC) Paul I wrote: >NR: The back of my office door -- REGNAD KCIN >OH, and hold the anchovies. >(Antelope Freeway 1/4 mile...) No anchovies? You must have the wrong number. I spell my name Danger... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:06:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Herbie Hancock (NJC) I watched (don't ask me why!) the '74 Charles Bronson movie "Death Wish" over the weekend. I was really struck by the great soundtrack...it did the usual soundtrack thing of signalling what emotions you were supposed to feel... "Oooh... I must feel tense here..." but the jazzy instrumental music was so....intelligent. Turns out it's by Mr. Hancock. I recall the furor over the movie when it came out...it is a real antithesis to '60s peace'n'love. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:40:37 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: such a baby! (NJC) previously I wrote: "ok gang, this is related but a slight turn in the road here... I've been unsuccessful in finding a guitarist among my acquaintances and so I have a question I need a little help on: funny thing... This whole UFG thread has really got me going and, in my frustration at not finding anyone with a guitar I could use, I called the local guitar shop this afternoon and they have baby Taylors coming in next month for $389.00!!! I remember Kakki talking about them and it sounded interesting... I went down there the other day and played a couple regular size taylors and they sure sound great! the guy said 'taylor' is the name of the guy who makes them and he was a martin craftsman before. Think I'm gonna go down tomorrow and put down a deposit on one... Has anyone ever tried a baby Taylor? I'm not sure how 'baby' this guitar is... Never seen one. I'd appreciate it if I could get some input on this in the next 15 hours or so, especially cons as I'm feeling pretty positive on this and have it in my gut to just go for it. I may need tempering... *L* thanks, pat" I just want to thank all the kind responses I got to my request for help on this... It's rather humbling when so many take their time and energy to help you out like that... But not humbling enough to keep me from asking for more! LoL! Here's the situation... I've played the BT and I do like it... Yet some very wise voices have chimed in that I should check all my options and that's why I'm writing. On this small island, thousand of miles from the mainland, my options are very limited and it looks like the BT is my best shot here... If I lived in a metro area in the states I know I could find lots of others and that's where you come in. :) I am seeking one of two things, either a better deal on a BT (cost here is $389 with hard-shell case) or a decent sounding axe with decent action in the $400 price range, new or used. I don't want a dreadnought or big instrument, in fact I would be fine with what is termed a 'small guitar'. If any of you musicians out there have/know of a good deal and wouldn't mind making a transaction and shipping it out here for me, please let me know. (Shipping would probably run $40-$60) I'm not asking anyone to go out of their way too much but on the off chance that some good deals may be known of by some of you guitar experts. Thanks a lot. pat All Along The Watchtower - Michael Hedges Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:33:53 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: De-lurking day? (NJC) I have not been following this list to closely of late, but I understand that today has been set aside for lurkers? If so, here I am. And if not, my apologies. Sorry, I have nothing Joni to say other than Happy Birthday and many more. Last night I saw Bob Dylan put on one of the best shows I've ever seen him play. The venue was at Penn State's main campus and despite their upsetting loss to Dylan's home state Minnesota team, spirits were high and so was I. The show was openned by Phil Lesh (bassist of the Grateful Dead) & Friends. The Friends included Warren Haynes (Gov't Mule and late of the Allman Brothers) and Derek Trucks (Allman Brothers, DTB) on guitars, Rob Barraco (Zen Tricksters) on keys, and John Molo (late of Bruce Hornsby Band) on drums. Their set was liquid and flowed as follows: Jam> Viola Lee Blues> Mountains of the Moon> My Favourite Things> Jam Box Of Rain Terrapin Station> Viola Lee Blues E: Brokedown Palace Dylan's set was stellar: I Am the Man Thomas To Ramona Desolation Row Mama You Been On My Mind Tangled Up In Blue All Along The Watchtower Shelter From the Storm Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues Tears Of Rage Seeing The Real You At Last Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat E: Love Sick Like ARolling Stone Blowin in the Wind Not Fade Away I am completely burnt even after 11 hours of straight sleep. Looking forward to two more of these gigs next Saturday at the Meadowlands and the following Monday at Barton Hall @ Cornell U in Ithaca, NY where guitar duties will be taken over by Jorma Kaukonen of Hot Tuna fame in the Phil lesh set. Perhaps Joni could be one of Phil's friends someday. Wonder if she'd take the challenge if she got the call? gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:47:07 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien - report (NJC) I met Lori at the news stand in the lobby of the Vienna International Centre where I work. She was checking out the novels when I arrived and made a last minute decision to buy one of them based on opening the book randomly and finding the words "snakes and ladders". Joni serendipity, she said. Since I live out in the country about 30 minutes from Vienna, we had a lot of time to chat in the car on the way home and then again going to and from the club that evening and again to the airport early Sunday morning. It was a real pleasure to talk with her. I can't remember everything we talked about, but there was that familiar "old-friend" kind of resonance that I've experienced in the company of other Jimdlers. When we got home, I made a stir-fry dinner for everyone and after dinner Lori and I had a chance to do a bit of practicing before the gig at Planet Music. We worked out a harmony for Ray's Dad's Cadillac. I didn't want to sing too much before the gig, because since Wednesday I had been fighting off a cold that was slowly making its way into my vocal chords. I had hoped to fight it off, but I wasn't succeeding. We left for the club around 8:15 and arrived there just in time for the first set of Gottfried's band Gin Tonic. Their music included some original tunes, some Austrian rock tunes, and some Dylan tunes. The band was very together and I especially enjoyed their originals. They played for about an hour, then Gottfried introduced me. I sang Black Crow, Be Cool, All Along The Watchtower, and then Lori and I did the Ray's Dad's Cadillac duet. Lori was supposed to also sing Night In The City, but we forgot to do that one. Lori looked very natural on the stage and has a lovely singing voice. As an encore, I sang Barangrill. The crowd was very attentive and appreciative, which was really nice and it was also very reassuring to have a die-hard Joni fan for company! After our set, the band continued for about another hour, then did an encore of about four Dylan songs. Gottfried insisted that I sing along and I was okay for the first 3 songs, but then my voice totally gave out and I could hardly talk when the singing was over. We stayed for awhile longer, then journeyed home. I was grateful to Lori for doing most of the talking on the way home because I could hardly make a sound. I got up early and watched a video Lori had brought of the Big Sur festival which I had never seen, but then I went back to bed and slept until nearly 1 p.m. Lori played cards and Bingo with my kids, while I made spaghetti for lunch. The kids insisted that I make apple pie for dessert, which I did. We had apple pie as a late afternoon snack, then I slept for awhile. At around 7:30 p.m. I started making a big dinner of roast lamb with mint sauce (my husband's a Brit), potatoes and Broccoli and we sat down to eat at 10:30 p.m.! I couldn't believe it was so late. After dinner, my family went to bed and Lori and I stayed up and watched Philip from Ireland's BBC video and interview from the DED period of Joni in action painting a picture while she talks to the interviewer (what a great video - thank you Philip!!!). Lori had never seen these and I really enjoyed seeing them again. We said goodnight at around 1:30 a.m. Lori had to get to the airport by 6:15 a.m. so we had to leave the house by 5:30 a.m. to get there on time, but we made it. It was a great weekend and I hope she'll come and visit again someday. Marian (home from work 'til I get my voice back) Vienna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:03:37 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien - report (NJC) Glad you and lori had such a wonderful time. Isn't it amazing what Joni has brought into our lives? Who would have thought that buying a Joni record all those years ago would lead to this. Amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:08:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!!! In a message dated 11/8/1999 6:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Can you clarify this statement? Am I reading correctly that there is some reason he won't reply these interviews? >I begged him to replay the archives of his interviews with her. Not anymore >thanks to Bob M. and Dennis Leong. >> ohhh..he says he has to try and dig them up.... can you beleave that? I would have them right at my fingertips to listen to ALOT!!! I had only heard them once and that was on the radio around 1979 ( of course..she was playing at the Mann Music Center) Then they were just in my memory banks. (oh how depressing!!) I looke d in my tape drawer to no avail...how could it be that I misplaced that awesome tape?? (how awesome could it be?- it was from a tiny tape recorder not even plugged into the sterio just hand held-YIKES!!) Anyway, now that Bob Mueller made me the tapes and Dennis made me the CD's (WHOOO-HOOO) I cna listen to her when ever I want! And I do alot. I love those tapes. When she does London Bridge...it is so fun and I LOVE IT to peices!!! Catgirl ps...does anyone have a recording of Joni from 1979? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:43:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Philosophy Of Playing? been thinkin' today 'bout the way McCartney's bass-playing gets better when he sings & plays simultaneously ** but ** Joni's singing improves when she DOESN'T play. For example, "Story Weather" with the orchestra from one of the recent tape trees. (What's a tape tree? Go to http://jmdl.com/trading/ ) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:31:07 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: NJC: US Xmas vs. Kiwi Xmas - very, very, very long helen, this cracked me up, thanks so much for spilling this so-called drivel. our gift-giving ritual after my youngest sister was 5 or so was pretty much the same as yours; the kids distributed; the youngest opened first and then we went around the circle through the family again and again. but before that, we kids actually had a free-for-all into the presents as soon as we could drag the 'rents awake. and the stockings were so cool (my mother had made huge felt ones for each of us). we only did one meal and the turkey and stuffing and potatos and gravy were awesome, but we did live in a time that thought canned vegetables were a gift of the magi, so there was some sucko food on the table. only one big meal though. and one of our traditional desserts was 'grasshopper pie' with a crust made of crushed chocolate cookies baked with tons of butter and the filling whipped cream spiked with creme de menthe and creme de cacao, with chocolate sprinkles on top. un-fricking-believable, and everyone got a little buzzed. you wrote: >We've come a long way since then. The weather's usually better, and we're >at the beach. We eat roast chicken, but at about 3pm, and with a >salad. Or >we have a barbeque - fresh king prawns, or steak - with salad. Then at >about 6pm we all go for a swim and work it off. so have we. our christmas still comes in winter, but if i make it back to california that means the weather might be below 70 (about 21 centigrade). not too difficult to bear. we do a much more civilized christmas; one year my stepmother served beef wellington and one year it was cracked crab. if i don't make it home, it's good times with friends. one guy used to hold a quite debauched rave in his loft every 12/25, that was christmas for a couple of years. other years it's been a great dinner and a performance of alvin ailey dance, they always close with 'revelations', the gospel-modern-dance masterpiece that has been seen by more people in the world than any other dance of the 20th century. seeing it on christmas is an amazing experience. patrick np - jane siberry - begat begat, with its own special spirituality ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:05:58 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: HB and 'Dreamland' So I reenter (stumbling) the list Saturday, after months away, and lurk some more Sunday morning, not knowing it's Joni's birthday. Outside for some yardwork: I move my car in my driveway to get at the leaves underneath, it's a perfect chilly, sunny fall day, and Hejira (forever in the cassette player) issues me ..."in a highway service station over the month of June is a photograph of the earth taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city on that marble bowling ball, or a forest or a highway, or me down here least of all..." Later, I communicate with a few of you, and turn in for the night. On her birthday night, a dream forms: it is Joni- in my living room- telling me about her inspiration and interpretation of her work. We are both in jeans; she is seated on my couch as she is seated on the cover of FTR; we are TOUCHING KNEES, and an occasional foot.. (ohmygod) ...and feeling good about each other- not THAT good...it was truly warm and deeply close, but my wife is also seated nearby, listening, and enjoying the conversation. It all feels right! NOW it gets weird: my mother is pacing about the house, angry that I am not with HER doing some pre-planned activity.. well Mom, you've just got to wait...and then the alarm goes off, and it's time for work. Try as I might, I couldn't lapse back into it. Hah! Freudian field day, I guess... then I log on tonight (Monday 11/8) and realize it was her birthday. Coincidence? I've dreamt about Joni before, but this was so vivid. Didn't we do an online birthday card last year? My subconscious probably released that this weekend. Ain't she the best? (er...my Mother, I mean...) - --DD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:42:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien - report (NJC) In a message dated 11/8/99 4:51:15 PM US Central Standard Time, marian8888@hotmail.com writes: << It was a great weekend and I hope she'll come and visit again someday. >> What a great story and a grand weekend! Thanks Marian for the write up, I'm sure you guys were wonderful! Bob NP: Counting Crows, "I Wish I was a Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: (NJC) Slurs, DJRD (final thoughts) Hi Gang and sorry about this! Colin wrote: < Let's break this down. <> This is an incorrect statement. I hate to fight. <> I suggest a re-read of posts in the JMDL archive. <> This is an example of name calling. <> This is an incorrect statement also. I simply and politely asked if you would consider wording posts in a manner so that those that did not agree with your position were not being called names like "ignorant", "blind", "fearful" etc. I also asked if you could have enough respect for the many Christians on the list so we didn't have to read a barrage of "fundie xtian"s, writing out fundamentalist Christian instead. <> Huh? <> Yes, they were. <> Of course it will be. Let me share a post I shared with a few of the participants of the Matthew Shepard thread last month: Let me tell a little story from personal experience. During my 20s to mid-30s I played softball on highly competitive, high caliber teams. One of the teams I was on was probably 3/4 gay with me being the only Christian. I got along with everyone fine. We were committed teammates on the field and pretty close friends off the field. We played in tourney's out of town often, requiring overnite motel stays. Almost always we had 4 girls sharing two double beds. I can honestly say there was never any "fear" of sleeping with any of my teammates or anything like that. The only time I had an attitude of "tolerance" was in not participating in recreational drug use or when we as a group would go the a country music playing bar. (at which point I wished I did take drugs. ;-) There was just no need for any strife between any of us because we were all secure in our convictions and who we were as individuals. This gay vs Christian thing was a complete non-issue. Our friendships transcended all of those stupid bigotries, ya know? But there was one of the girls that I didn't care for. She was loud, self-absorbed, criticized others, and whined if she didn't play enough. She was not a team player. I kept my distance from her as much as possible because I didn't like her personality. She was also gay. I get wind that she starts bad mouthing me and saying I'm a bigot and I don't get along with her because I'm a Christian and she's gay. Luckily, I didn't even have to stand up to her cuz my gay teammates came to my defense for me and cried "bullshit." That was probably best anyway, since she was so defensive and had such a hard-on for all Christians, she wouldn't have heard anything I had to say in my own defense anyway. The point I'm trying to make is I wonder how much of the time, people that are claiming oppression or bigotry, while portraying themselves as "the victim" to solicit support, are actually perpetuating hard feelings themselves because it's easier to throw out a bigotry card than it is to take a look at themselves to see why people don't care for their company. They seem to always be the loudest, drawing the most attention to whatever their cause, and then give an poor representation of their Religion, sexual orientation, ethnic background, etc. for others to associate the whole with. It does seem to be a low self esteem issue. Because if they didn't have a chip on their shoulder, or weren't still uncomfortable in their own skin, the cause they continually spout off about wouldn't be so forefront in their mind. The other girls on my team were the sweetest, friendliest, most caring bunch of girls I've ever met, but Kit, the creepy one, was the one everybody always took notice of and she always insisted everyone know her cause. I was lucky that I saw how that works at a fairly young age, because had I not had my teammates dispute what Kit was coming off as, I might have developed a bigoted attitude toward gays myself. But just with all the other "groups" the "Kits" of them are the exception, not the rule. It just makes me wonder how often pissy type people to begin with (also a low self-esteem thing), encounter "Kits" only to take it out on an innocent other of what she represents years down the road. At least that's the way I've come to see some of this bigotry mess. Peace Penny PS My e-mail doesn't seem to be working right today. I had to go to the archives just to read today's digest. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #503 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?