From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #499 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, November 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 499 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Parts 1&2 ["Wally Kairu] What is a "lurker?" NJC [Scott Price ] rachmaninof (JC) ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Delurking - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] NJC: How's Carly Simon? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Delurking - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: How's Carly Simon? ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Wally Visits Joni ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC: Thanksgiving/Xmas [Drewdix@aol.com] more 200 cigs. [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: JMDL releases NJC [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Wally B. from Russ ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: rachmaninof (JC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] racial slurs and DJRD [evian ] Re: JMDL releases NJC....dreamland [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 2 [CaTGirl627@aol.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:31:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Parts 1&2 La Catherine asked: > would anyone be interested in having that little > story transcribed? I'm willing to do it if anyone is. i for one would love to read a transcription of that story!!! Wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:56:30 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: What is a "lurker?" NJC At 05:31 PM 11/5/99, Linda wrote: >Just yesterday, I was pondering... (and had no answer to): "what *is* a >lurker..." I think a "lurker" on this list relates to a state of mind. In the strictest sense a lurker is one who reads the list but never posts to it. They may have a few or a whole bunch of friends they privately e-mail but they do not post to the list. Hey Don Rowe...would Joni qualify here? :-) Not being particularly strict, I think if one is hesitant to post, for whatever reason, then s/he is at least a little bit of a lurker. It seems that many times people find the list, send in a post or two (or more), and then become lurkers, either for a few weeks, a month, a year, or forever. So to answer your question, to me a "lurker" is someone who has at least a smidgeon of a desire to post to the list, but doesn't, for whatever reason. Andy (the former lurker) sent a wonderful post this morning and it reminded me of how good it feels to share our admiration of Joni's art with others who recognize her genius...those of us who still gain new insights from her albums despite listening to them hundreds of times...those who are deeply moved by her music. I hope his post, and others, serve as an inspiration to all lurkers out there, whether or not they have or haven't posted to the list before, to send an e-mail to the JMDL. Many of us felt that initial hesitation, many still do, despite repeated posts to the list, but you'll never know unless you try. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:35:17 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: rachmaninof (JC) Hi Listers, Sorry, I'm not too sure how to spell his name, but does anyone know which Rachmaninof piece Joni says inspired her to get into music when she was younger?? Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:49:04 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Delurking - NJC Andy flatters: << So anyway, I would like to say thank you to all of you, including Mark > in Seattle, Kakki, Sue Mc, Colin, Ashara, Rickie Lee, Michael (all the > Michaels), Kate, Evian, Jimmy, Helen, Eric, Bob, MG, Deb, Jerry, Jason, > Scott, Catherine, Paul, Catgirl, Marcel (and you know there may be lots > more) for enriching my life through your willingness to share your > thoughts and feelings. >> Wow! What a great post and such a surprise to see my name there with such awe-inspiring company. Thanks for delurking, Andy. After a week of huge upheavals and emotional challenges, (to say nothing of insomnia three nights in a row!), your post gives me a much needed lift. Thanks again, MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:13:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: How's Carly Simon? I bought a Carly Simon video concert on a public dock on Martha's Vineyard on America's East Coast on the Atlantic Ocean. I love "The Stuff That Dreams Of": "It's the stuff that dreams are made of It's the reason we are alive" So, my question remains, how's Carly? - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:21:56 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Delurking - NJC > Andy flatters: > > > << So anyway, I would like to say thank you to all of you, including Mark > > in Seattle, Kakki, Sue Mc, Colin, Ashara, Rickie Lee, Michael (all the > > Michaels), Kate, Evian, Jimmy, Helen, Eric, Bob, MG, Deb, Jerry, Jason, > > Scott, Catherine, Paul, Catgirl, Marcel (and you know there may be lots > > more) for enriching my life through your willingness to share your > > thoughts and feelings. >> > > > Wow! > > What a great post and such a surprise to see my name there with such > awe-inspiring company. > > Thanks for delurking, Andy. After a week of huge upheavals and emotional > challenges, (to say nothing of insomnia three nights in a row!), your post > gives me a much needed lift. > > Thanks again, > > MG I was trying to think of a way to express how I felt when I read this and MG did it for me. Thanks MG! And thank you, Andy. Please post more often. Don't worry about how long the thread has been going on. Often a thread is revived by someone's thoughtful post that puts a new spin on it. I remember seeing your name before. Welcome back & stick around! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:27:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: How's Carly Simon? > I bought a Carly Simon video concert on a public dock on Martha's > Vineyard on America's East Coast on the Atlantic Ocean. I love "The > Stuff That Dreams Of": > > "It's the stuff that dreams are made of > It's the reason we are alive" > > So, my question remains, how's Carly? > -- > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... > I'd like to know the answer to this myself. Colin, have you heard? That concert is really wonderful. Carly suffers from almost unbearable stage fright so this Martha's Vineyard show is kind of a rare occurrence. She really puts on a great show, mostly for family, friends & neighbors. Her live rendition of 'Never Been Gone' is wonderful in this setting: I'm bound for the island The tide is with me I think I can make it by dawn Oh it's night on the ocean And I'm going home And it feels like I've never I've never been gone... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:30:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Wally Visits Joni > Wally will soon post a more detailed version of their weekend together, > including photos, but unfortunately, he's a bit ill right now so he's > asked me to just pass on the word that Joni sends greetings to her > Internet Community. > > Ms. Mitchell did not disappoint! More soon. > > Leslie > What a wonderful experience for Wally and how nice to know that the object of our admiration is so human, so gracious & so caring. Hold on to those memories, Wally & feel better soon! We're all sending love & good wishes your way! Mark in Seattle PS: Thank you for the report, Natasha, dahlink (Boris) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:08:30 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: NJC: Thanksgiving/Xmas Catherine posits that Thanksgiving is perhaps more manic in the U.S. than Christmas (from a Canadian perspective) and I'd like to reassure her that Christmas is so much more stressful; I saw my first ad for a Christmas album on TV well before Halloween this year. Thanksgiving remains my favorite holiday. Religion is irrelevant, and it takes little to embrace the concept of truly and simply giving thanks, for whatever you may have. As a Buddhist I have no real 'holidays', but with a nod to New Year's day, marking a new beginning. I welcome once a year each November to stop and appreciate life (and perhaps the death of a turkey), along with informal attitude and expectations of those friends and family gathered (informal except for the food- I love the cooking part) . Just the word- thanks-giving -seems to me unpretentious and simple. Christmas, with its unbearable commercial aspects, makes no sense; Christ has rolled over in his latent state many times over, I'm sure. For that matter, why doesn't he do something about it? He had far less patience with the merchants in the temple, if I remember correctly....well, don't get me started. Happy Thanksgiving joni list- - --Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:41:41 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: more 200 cigs. I<< Hi Folks, Something tells me this might have been posted a while back, but my memory is so crappy lately, I'll just repeat it. Small Joni reference in the film "200 Cigarettes". >> I also caught that Joni reference. I really liked Courtney Love in this movie...although I usually dislike her. Christina Ricci was so good, I didn't even recognize her for about a half hour after her appearance in the flick. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:58:24 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: JMDL releases NJC Thanks for sharing your impressions Bob, I really appreciate it. I just got back from a day of hiking in the north Georgia mountains and then I'm turning around tomorrow and going to Cumberland Island for four days of camping. I hope to find alot of seashells and plan on taking long walks on the empty beach. I really love this time of year and can't wait to lose myself in the wilderness along with the wild horses. Victor NP: Johnny Hartman-The Voice That Is ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:54:50 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Wally B. from Russ Dear Wally B. I hope when you visited our Queen, you removed your footwear; for truly you were on sacred ground. What a wonderful thing to happen to such a deserving person. Get better, please, and soon. Love Russ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:20:48 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: rachmaninof (JC) It was "Roll....Over...Bethoven" I think. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 23:58:30 -0600 From: evian Subject: racial slurs and DJRD Well, I wasn't going to post on this subject, but you know me... eventually I have to ramble! However, instead of commenting on my own personal interpretations of DJRD and the racism debate, I am going to quote from my favorite writer, feminist essayist Nancy Mairs. In her essay "On Being a Cripple", Mairs, who has MS, makes some interesting points that I think can be twisted around and applied to DJRD. Mairs states: "First, the matter of semantics. I am a cripple. I choose this word to name me. I choose from among several possibilities, the most common which are handicapped and disabled. I made the choice a number of years ago, unaware of my motives for doing so. Even now, I am not sure what those motives are, but I recognize that they are complex and not entirely flattering. People, crippled or not, wince at the word 'cripple' as they do not at handicapped or diabled. Perhaps I want them to wince." Thus, maybe we can see Joni's word choices as way in which to make us inwardly wince, or pause for a second. I think the use of "Tar Baby", especially after the verse about Columbus and Raleigh claiming the beach in the name of the suntan slaves is very effective in that here we have the colonizer laying claim to land, and then a few verses later we are slapped with the colonizer's language with Tar Baby. Hence, if we look at the song from a colonial standpoint, then the term exposes the value judgements of the colonizer. I think it is very effective, and not racist in the slightest. Rather, it's used as a good device to make you think "whoa, where is this coming from, and what do we do with it?", which it obviously has! Anyway, does that make any sense? Evian "The slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts." -- George Orwell. DISCUSS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:06:17 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL releases NJC....dreamland In a message dated 11/5/1999 10:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << Thanks for sharing your impressions Bob, I really appreciate it. I just got back from a day of hiking in the north Georgia mountains and then I'm turning around tomorrow and going to Cumberland Island for four days of camping. I hope to find alot of seashells and plan on taking long walks on the empty beach. I really love this time of year and can't wait to lose myself in the wilderness along with the wild horses. Victor >> sounds like a dream........ Catgirl....dreamland....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:19:38 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 2 In a message dated 11/5/1999 2:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << JONI: So help me God, this is LAST time -- TO BE CONTINUED. >> GO on.... cat..>^..^< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #499 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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