From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #498 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, November 5 1999 Volume 04 : Number 498 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- mini-Jonifest in Wien! [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: 10 Easy Pieces (vljc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Turbulent Indigo book [Howard Wright ] Re: Racial Slurs (VLJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC: "The Myth of Fingerprints" ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: feeling 'connected' (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: DJRD in the Walkman ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: JMDL releases (VLJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Racial Slurs ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer (absolutely NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Delurking [Bounced Message ] Re: Thanks and false alarms [Susan McNamara ] Rock Masterclass DED [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JM screensaver 2nd edition now available [charles atlas sheppard ] Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 1 [Phyliss Ward ] Re: NJC: Thanksgiving vs. Christmas [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Delurking (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC: Thanksgiving vs. Christmas ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: 10 Easy Pieces and Webb in Boston (vljc) ["Kakki" ] Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Parts 1&2 ["Catherine M] My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: The Conclusion [Don Rowe ] Re: JMDL releases NJC [Linda Worster ] Re: JMDL releases NJC [Linda Worster ] J'sJ'sJazz #6 [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: JMDL releases NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:05:40 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: mini-Jonifest in Wien! Lori Reason is flying over today from Switzerland! I'm so excited! We're meeting this afternoon and are going out on the town tonight. Some friends of mine are doing a gig at a little cafe called Planet Music and they asked me to do a 20 minute set during their intermission at 10 p.m. I want to sing Black Crow, Be Cool, Barangrill and Ray's Dad's Cadillac. I'm hoping to do a duet or two with Lori, too. If everything goes okay, we'll have some time before the show to work something out. Maybe you'll hear from us later tonight after the show. Marian Vienna NP: more than likely - PM Dawn P.S. Did everyone on the list except me know that PM Dawn uses Joni's guitar intro for 'I Had A King' on their song 'the ways of the wind'??????? I am just playing this CD for the first time and I couldn't believe my ears! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:56:07 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: 10 Easy Pieces (vljc) Kakki wrote: >Wish I could have been there!> and Patrick wrote (re Jimmy Webb's Boston show next week) >i'm going, with jmdlers! i'm excited to see friends, but i'm really >looking forward to the concert as well. Yes, for me it was over a week ago now and I'm still buzzing from the pure musical heaven of seeing him live - twice!! I had been planning to go and see Bruce Cockburn that night, but a couple of friends, Karen Bates and Debbie Cassell, had a gig at The Spitz club, so I chose to go there in the end. Debbie is always raving on about him and Karen was going "Are yer comin'? 'e's gonna be reeeally greeeat, yer know? Believe me!!! I'll treat you cos I reeeally want you to see 'im - I just know you'll love 'im!!" So when they'd finished their sets, I helped them load out and we raced across town, arriving a couple of minutes late for his second set. He was already half way through a song called 'Do What You Gotta Do' (which I'm told was covered by The Four Tops and Linda Ronstadt). Instantly I was completely spell-bound by the beauty of his piano playing and the raw emotion in his voice - and I hadn't even sat down yet! He told lots of wonderful funny stories between songs (I'm a sucker for songwriter anecdotes) but I wouldn't want to spoil the (Scullers Jazz Club) Boston show for the JMDLers going. However, there are not too many songwriters who can sing a line from one of their own songs and then say " Linda sings it like this ...... but Carly would phrase it like this....... of course, Barbara would completely change it to this..... and Frank would end it like this....." I remember saying to Karen how his piano voicings sounded so Joni Mitchell in places. She thought it might have been the other way round. Whatever, I was pleased to discover Joni had made cameo appearances on both his 1972 'Letters' album and on 1974's 'Land's End'. After this wonderful set on Thursday night, I just had to see him again. So even though Saturday night was completely sold out, I turned up and begged them to let me in. The room's Manager did a bit of a "more than my job's worth, mate" but eventually took pity on me and let me in. Of course I'm now completely broke - and I haven't even bought '10 Easy Pieces' yet (which I am told is very much like his live performance, just grand piano and voice, with harmonies from the likes of Shawn Colvin, Marc Cohn and Michael MacDonald). Can anyone lend me a fiver? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:57:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo book On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, JMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:12:40 EST > From: Gertus@aol.com > Subject: Turbulent Indigo book > > Amazon.UK are listing a book called "Joni Mitchell: Turbulent Indigo" by > Carol Cuellar published in 1995. Does anyone know anything about this book > and would it be worth buying? This book is the guitar/piano songbook for the album. Carol Cuellar is one of the music editors at Warner Bros. If you're a guitarist, the book is well worth buying. I don't actually have it myself, but I've flicked through it - it has all the correct tunings for the songs, and the chord shapes too. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:48:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Racial Slurs (VLJC) > Okay... I've read this thread almost in its entirety waiting for someone > say "This *point* does not apply to DJRD! If one really wants to delve > into Joni's "political correctness" in terms of words or phrases in her > lyrics, I can only think of one song which may qualify: > > "The Boho Dance " ("Hissing of Summer Lawns") where she describes the > house band having "Negro affectations". By 1975 (when this album was > produced) using the word "Negro" was (and still remains) a "no-no". This > was even pre "political correctness". Apart from anything else, on a very rudimentary level, the word scans better than anything else I can think of. She certainly would have had a harder time fitting 'African American affectations' into the line of a song lyric. 'Black affectations' just doesn't sound right at all, imo. Also, in this case she is using the term as an adjective and not a noun. The line does imply a certain amount of contempt for this affected band she's watching. Mark in Seattle who doesn't believe for one nanosecond that Joni is a racist. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:00:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: "The Myth of Fingerprints" Julie wrote: "For anyone who has survived a tense Thanksgiving with their family, "THE MYTH OF FINGERPRINTS" will be a deeply familiar and vividly moving experience." Here's something I'm curious about. Is it just me, or do Americans make more of a deal about Thanksgiving than they do about Christmas? A lot of these kinds of stories/films revolve around family gatherings at Thanksgiving. Maybe it's just an ironic device that works in this kind of story, since it's a time of year when families gather together and are supposed to be thankful for everything they've got, including one another. In Canada, our Thanksgiving happens earlier (2nd Monday in October) and I think we're a little more laid-back about it (or maybe it's just my family!) Often we get together for the day (and in fact, most of us do that on Sunday and then sleep in on Monday and take it easy and just hang out for the day (often because we may have eaten and drunk too much the day before!) Our emotion-laden day is Christmas. Everyone freaks out about getting "home" for Christmas, and goes too far with the gift-buying and the perfect turkey dinner and so on, such that the lucky soul whose turn it is to host the event (99% of the time a female, I wonder how that happen?) is either ready to bite someone's head off by the time dinner is served, or has to drink herself into semi-oblivion to dull the pain. My sisters and I often snarl to one another "Merry effin' Christmas!" just to ease the tension ;) Just wondering - do Americans actually do this family gig TWICE? or is Thanksgiving actually a bigger deal for Americans than it is for us? Just wonderin'. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:25:18 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Wally Visits Joni >A few weeks ago Joni called Wally and asked him to come down and >visit >with her for a weekend, so Wally and his best friend, Jim, >boarded a big >silver bird and flew down to the city of the fallen >angels. >Ms. Mitchell did not disappoint! More soon. Isn't that lovely! I hope Wally is feeling better soon. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:29:52 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: feeling 'connected' (NJC) >i went through a very similar experience last january. taking off my > >clothes and diving into the sea off the coast of antarctica was one >the >most mystical experiences i have ever had. Wow, Wally - are you a member of the Polar Bear Club? You must have felt REALLY warm when you did come out though! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:46:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: DJRD in the Walkman Catgirl said: ><< and DJRD is a double LP so you twice the music!! >> > And Bob replied: >Yeah Catgirl, but you put those two LP's in the Walkman and you're outta >luck! :~) It CAN be done, but you have to fold them very, very carefully. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 15:50:50 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: JMDL releases (VLJC) Your comments on releases by JMDL members makes me wonder: how many of you out there have recorded music that is available either commercially or through you privately? From reading some of the posts, I'm aware that some of you are professionals, but I'd be very interested in hearing some of your music (if my pocketbook can stand it!) (And I like buying stuff where I know the people because, besides getting some good stuff, you're helping out your friends as well.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:53:40 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Racial Slurs ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: I agree completely. When I first listened to DJRD I didn't like it that much, maybe because it was so many years ago. But as I let it grow inside everything changed. Now is one of my favourites and I cannot think of anything more touching than The Silky Veils of Ardor. The whole album/CD is also a visual experience as you are led to picture in your brain such strong images to match the often strong notes. It really is a predecessor to a lot of "music experiments" that many artists claimed to have done later on. I personally love the lyrics of that album and although I've never thought about racist references before, reading this thread has made me think. I simply cannot believe that these could be true. We are talking of Joni Mitchell after all. How can a free-thinker as she is have such discriminatory feelings. She may use words (i.e. tar baby, etc) coming from different contexts, but I don't actually see any negative point if her aim is that of juxtaposing two worlds or - as she writes - "ten worlds". Isn't the concept of DJRD the consideration of how the so-called third world still influences the so-called western society in terms of cultural and emotional heritage although it has been raped, conquered and subordinated (?) in every possible sense? Think also at what Joni wrote a couple of years later: "When Lester took him a wife Arm and arm went black and white And some saw red And drove them from their hotel bed Love is never easy It's short of the hope we have for happiness Bright and sweet Love is never easy street! Now we are black and white Embracing out in the lunatic New York night It's very unlikely we'll be driven out of town Or be hung in a tree That's unlikely!" I feel there is a clue here, or my English is letting me down again? BTW.Thanks Jamie for your wonderful interpretation of Ameila and "false alarms". Hope to read more. Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:16:38 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer (absolutely NJC) Peter Holmstedt wrote: > Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer In November And in February they coming back to play *MY* series again! I'm doing a special show on 2/5 with them, and Bob Franke. Bob has written some true classics - "The Great Storm is Over", "Hard Love", "Thanksgiving Eve" - it should be a killer show! Two of the best songwriters on the planet, and I wouldn't say that if I didn't mean it. Dave'n'Tracy will be at the NAMM (?) show in LA that weekend, too, so maybe Kakki can pop across the street and check them out. :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 1 First personal phone calls and now a weekend visit??? You know, if it were anybody else but our dear Wally, I would be ... well, unpleasant to be around, to put it politely. But the trailer post did set me to thinking about -- my dinner with Joni: SFX: Doorbell chimes ring, footsteps approach lightly from the distance, a doorknob turns and door opens. JONI: Hi, you must be Don -- come on in! DON: Baaah, ooof-er-ah -- mmmm! duh-duh-duh -- oh boy ... JONI: Are you okay, you look kinda pale ... DON: No! Yes! I'm fine ... really ... I dunno. How am I? Who am I? No fine -- really. JONI: I'll give you the nickel tour in a bit ... but I need to look in on the marinara frescatta for just a minute. Can I get you anything ... something to drink? I recently located a case of really exquisite Tusan Pinot Grigio ... care for a glass? DON: Yes, yes ... that might be, ah, a good idea. SFX: Footsteps retreat lightly. DON: (heavy reverb as we listen to his internal monologue) "I can't believe this. I've waited my whole life to meet Joni Mitchell and all I can do is stand here and blather like some morphodite! I've been practicing my witty lines for six weeks for Christ sakes! Where the hell have they gone?" DON PARDO: Will Don get a grip? Will the Pinot be chilled to a refreshing temperature? Tune in next week when we'll hear Don say ... DON: I've been meaning to ask you about some of the songs on "The Hissing of Reckless Daughters" ... TO BE CONTINUED ... ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:29:06 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: ecircles Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:38:27 -0600 From: evian > It's a great list to sub.scribe to since > we can't download pics on the JMDL. Btw, has anyone else here heard of ecircles.com? It's really neat. It's like private web space for you and your friends, without the work. You can start as many "Circles" as you like with your friends. You register with the site, and then you can start your own circle. In a circle, you can post pics in your own photo albums, leave messages, have discussions, links to your fave sites, make lists, etc. Nobody can get into your circle unless you invite them, so it's a great way to share pics without worrying about strangers surfing in. I realize this isn't very clear... go to the site and check it out. If anyone is interested, let me know, we can start some circles. It's free free free!!!!!! Evian n.p. the weather channel P.S. I didn't NJC this because I thought maybe some of the JC'ers might be interested. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:39:20 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Delurking From: Andy Stancliffe Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:32:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) I'm delurking a few days ahead of Joni's birthday on Sunday, because my internet access is at work, which is also why I've been a lurker on this list. I sub.scribe to the digest, and tend to be several weeks behind the current discussions. So often when I've read a post that I thought I might respond to, I realize that the thread has long since been exhausted by the time my post would arrive. Anyway, I've been lurking on this list for a few years now. I began reading the digests not long after the list was created. I actually did send in a post now and then (usually to defend a song that was being criticized, like Ray's Dad's Cadillac or You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio). I've been a fan of Joni's music since 1972, when I was 18. My sister played Blue for me that spring, and I immediately found myself intrigued, especially by the dulcimer songs. I still remember the day I really "heard" A Case of You, when I was transported by the simple power of the words and music. I then went out and bought her first three albums, and I've probably bought most of her albums since then on the day they were released. Like so many of you have noted, her music is still as fresh to me now as when I first heard it. I can listen to Hejira today after probably thousands of listens and hear new subtleties, or come to understand the songs differently as I go through changes in my own life. I've enjoyed following her through all her experimentation, and always found something to love in every one of her albums. On Taming the Tiger, I've really loved Stay in Touch. The wisdom in lines so simple as "We should just surrender/Let fate and duty shape us/Let light hearts remake us" is as compelling as anything else I've heard her sing over the years. I do want to say that as a lurker I've been so impressed with the intelligence, sensitivity, understanding, and humor that all you 'regulars' display in your postings. I feel that I know many of you, and have so much respect for you. This list has moved me to tears, has sometimes made me angry, has made me question my own assumptions and has enriched my life. So many times I've thought I should get off the list, since I don't find time to participate, but I've never been able to bring myself to sign off. When the option to switch to "Joni Only" mode became available, I thought for a few days about switching, but I realized I'd miss so much of the fascinating discussions about current events. I rely on the JMDLers to weigh in on their favorite musicians, on their reactions to headlines in the news, etc. I'm really looking forward to the new album. I attended the Stormy Weather benefit last year, and enjoyed seeing her perform with an orchestra (and with Bjork). And then, after hearing her versions of The Man I Love, Summertime, and Trouble Man, I was blown away all over again with the expressiveness of her voice. As I said earlier, A Case of You is probably the song that made a fanatic of me, and I can't wait to hear her new presentation of this incredible song. It's so nice to have Wally's page and the JMDL to keep up with Joni. For so many years I would pore over Rolling Stone, or the LA Times Calendar or Musician magazine hoping to see some little tidbit to find out what Joni was up to. I used to look forward to her new albums also to see if she would give an interview, or to read the reviews. I have a box in my closet with old magazines and clippings going back to 1972, beginning with the issue of Rolling Stone (with honeymooners James and Carly on the cover) containing the review of For the Roses. I never dreamed then that one day I'd be able to look on the Internet for all those article and interviews. So anyway, I would like to say thank you to all of you, including Mark in Seattle, Kakki, Sue Mc, Colin, Ashara, Rickie Lee, Michael (all the Michaels), Kate, Evian, Jimmy, Helen, Eric, Bob, MG, Deb, Jerry, Jason, Scott, Catherine, Paul, Catgirl, Marcel (and you know there may be lots more) for enriching my life through your willingness to share your thoughts and feelings. Andy Stancliffe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:03:52 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Thanks and false alarms >BTW: did you ever wonder about what Joni sings in Amelia: "It's just a false >alarm"? Interesting question, Raffaele. I think the clue to this riddle is the image of Icarus, who dreamed of flying but then the Sun burned his wings and he fell to his death ... This image is repeated through each stanza as a dream that died, the hexagrams in the sky are not portents but omens...Amelia's dream to fly around the world ends by her being "swallowed by the sea or by the sky" and Joni's dream of love ends in her lover's "sad request ..." Hope your dreams are not false alarms today, welcome to the list! sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:16:58 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Rock Masterclass DED Dear Bob Muller I need your email address/home address so that I can send you mine for the Rock Masterclass thingy. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:20:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mini-Jonifest in Wien! Marian said: <> Hey Marian, tell her that Bob, her "magic cassette guy", says hey, and y'all break a leg with your set! I look forward to the report... <> Interestingly, I bought the PM Dawn CD before I picked up STAS, so the first time I heard the tune I didn't recognize the melody...All of that CD (The Bliss Album) is stellar imo... Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Walk Through Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: charles atlas sheppard Subject: JM screensaver 2nd edition now available You can download your free copy of the Joni Mitchell Screensaver Second Edition at: http://www.freespeech.org/tumbleweed/rickie.html This is my Rickie Lee Jones mailing list web site. Feel free to look around while you are downloading. The screensaver is absolutely free and contains no nags. There is wallpaper support and you can change the settings to your preferences. If you have any questions let me know. I don't as of this date have any screensavers available for a Mac. Eventually, though, I will have savers for mac users. Hopefully, I can have this ready by christmas if I can get enough computer time on my friend's mac. Enjoy! ===== Be cool, stay warm Charles Atlas Sheppard Support The Nepenthe Journal http://www.freespeech.org/tumbleweed Click on the text link below: Protect Your Privacy on the web! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:49:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Masterclass DED Jamie, Send C-60 & SASE to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 I have been delighted with the number of lurkers who have sent blanks for this interview! That's why I'm posting my address to the list instead of asking for private messages...makes my life easier, plus it's easier for someone who may not be comfortable with messaging me directly. Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Nobody" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:04:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Delurking What an excellent e-mail! You should de-lurk more often. (Like you, I only have computer access at work. Naughty of me, yes, but what the hey! I don't use my work account, as you can see. I will probably get fired one day, but the way I see it is, it gets the "creative" juices flowing and keeps me from getting really depressed! Most of the time I'm here from 8:30 to 4:30 or so, and don't take a lunch. And the powers-that-be are constantly reminding us of what a crappy job we do. And then I get it from the other end too, with my staff whining to me about this and that. Jeez, it's like being mum all over again, but I can't send them to their rooms for time-out! The joys of middle management. Since I've joined this list, I've relearned what "normal" is. It is so great to be among people who actually THINK about things and don't just react.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:06:40 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 1 ROTFL! : - D BTW My fantasy is similar Don Rowe wrote: > t the trailer post did set me to > thinking about -- my dinner with Joni: Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 10:16:07 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: A bird that whistle Sorry if you already know about this but as you may know by now I am new to the list. A few months ago I got hold of a CD of Joni's covers made by a Swedish group called "A bird that whistle". I found it browsing on www.boxman.com and as I never heard of this CD I ordered it. It's a sort of tribute to JM and the songlist is 1.Free man in Paris 2.A bird that whistle 3.Chelsea morning 4.A case of you 5.This flight tonight 6.Urge for going 7.Night ride home 8.Twisted 9.Hejira 10.The silky veils of ardor 11.Woodstock It's not the kind of CD that you would die for in terms of rendition of the songs and the lead vocals by the Swedish singer is quite weak (nothing could compare to the original, of course), but at least is respectful of Joni's music. If anyone's interested... write. Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:46:09 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Thanksgiving vs. Christmas Curious Catherine writes: << Here's something I'm curious about. Is it just me, or do Americans make more of a deal about Thanksgiving than they do about Christmas? >> Catherine, I think you'll find that everyone in the U.S. varies as to which holiday they make more fuss about. As for me, I enjoy Thanksgiving Day more than Christmas. Thanksgiving for my family is a time where everyone gets together to enjoy great food, wine, and laughs. It's not limited to my immediate family, as good friends also come over and everyone pitches in to help with the cooking and cleaning. There seems to be less commercialism, unlike Christmas. No one has to worry about what gift to buy each other. It's a time (for me anyway) to be thankful for having such a great family and friends. Christmas on the other hand tends to be more stressful for me. It means going to the mall (which I abhor anytime of the year) and fighting with the crowds to find the *toy of the year* for my nephews and nieces. Since all my immediate family live here and have kids, they each have their own little Christmas routine by themselves in the morning. Then the stress really starts. I go to each sibling's house starting at noon (there are four of them). I play good Uncle Jimmy Claus at each house and finally spending late afternoon with my Mother, where all of us kids get together with her. Then I go to the in-laws for another dinner. Then by 10:00 at night, we finally get together with our close friends. By 2:00 in the morning, Ed and I finally get time to ourselves, but fall asleep from exhaustion. So there's my essay Mrs. McKay on why I enjoy Thanksgiving more than Christmas. I know there's a better way, but old family traditions are hard to break and I'm *not* going to disappoint my family. Sorry to be so lengthy in describing a Christmas Day in the life of Jimmy Stewart, but I'm in a chatty mood and no one in my office will listen to me. Plus I'm trying to get in as much as I can before "Lurker Day" when I promise not to post! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:16:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Delurking (NJC) Andy writes: <> Way to Go Andy!!! What a wonderful post. If you've been on the list since shortly after it's creation, you must have read all of the posts from all of those listers who's photo I see in the JMDL gallery and never heard of. In fact I've often thought about privately e-mailing some of them to see if they are still sub.scribed to the JMDL or if they're still alive. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Joni, her songs, and this wonderful community. Also don't worry about posting your opinion regarding a thread that has been thoroughly discussed. It's never too late, and I know everyone would love to read your opinion. For the rest of the lurkers reading, I'm really hoping you'll be posting this weekend even just to say "Happy Birthday Joni" or "Jimmy, shut the F**K UP" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:19:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: Thanksgiving vs. Christmas Oh, man, I loved your post! It sounds kinda similar to my family! >There seems to be less commercialism, unlike Christmas. No one has >to >worry about what gift to buy each other. It's a time (for me >anyway) to be >thankful for having such a great family and friends. Amen to that! >Christmas on the other hand tends to be more stressful for me. It >means >going to the mall (which I abhor anytime of the year) I sympathize. I'm not exactly *phobic* but it comes pretty close. The minute I get into a mall I forget what I came there for and just want to leave. Have you tried catalogue shopping? If you MUST shop, it's a lot easier, plus you can do it any time of day - like, if you're having a bout of insomnia - just dial 1-800-whatever and some cheerful soul will answer right away! Online shopping is good too if you're buying from a reliable source. >Since all my immediate family live here and have kids, they each >have >their own little Christmas routine by themselves in the >morning. Then the >stress really starts. I go to each sibling's >house starting at noon >(there are four of them). I play good Uncle >Jimmy Claus at each house and >finally spending late afternoon with >my Mother, where all of us kids get >together with her. Then I >go to the in-laws for another dinner. Then by 10:00 at night, we >finally >get together with our close friends. By 2:00 in the >morning, Ed and I >finally get time to ourselves, but fall asleep >from exhaustion. Dude, you are spreading yourself way too thin! Too many stops, too short a time. Tell everyone you're going to the Bahamas for Christmas. You can either go there for real, or just don't answer the phone for about a week. >I know there's a better way, but old family traditions are hard >to break and I'm *not* going to disappoint my family. I understand perfectly. The only reason why things have changed somewhat in my family is that my mother died about 5 years ago after a long bout with cancer, my Dad remarried 3 years ago and they do a lot of stuff with my stepmother's side of the family (some of which my Dad could do without! Lily's a wonderful lady, but one of her daughters-in-law is something else - probably not a major issue now, since my stepbrother and she, aka the Barbie Doll from Hell, have separated), plus Dad's 80 now and has Parkinson's, so we're more likely now to do one of those everyone-has-Christmas-at- their-own-house-then-drops-by-Dad's-for-a-short-time things. >Sorry to be so lengthy in describing a Christmas Day in the life of >Jimmy >Stewart, but I'm in a chatty mood and no one in my office will >listen to >me. I don't *want* anyone in my office listening to me - and I have to listen to them too much as it is! >Plus I'm trying to get in as much as I can before "Lurker Day" when >I >promise not to post! I've made that same promise to myself many times. The longest I've lasted is about 3 days, but, if I could quit smoking, I guess I can do this too! (Merry Christmas - only 40-something shopping days 'til Christmas! God help us, every one.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:38:25 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Part 2 DON PARDO: Several well-placed glasses of Pinot have rendered Joni's guest a little more -- sociable. Let's look in as dinner is finishing ... DON: (slurring a bit, but contentedly) Wow! I shoo've known thad'you'd be ever-bit as good with a spice rack as a'Parker Fly or a pain'brush ... that'uhs wonderful, really. JONI: Thanks. Care for a Campari? Galliano? B&B? DON: Oh, B&B'd-be wunnerful. SFX: Silverware clinks on plates and a chair is pushed back from the table. Rings of crystal glasses as afterdinner drinks are poured. JONI: You know I read the jmdl from time to time ... DON: NO SHIT!? You're joking, right? JONI: No, not at all -- I even send messages, but I use a pseudonym. DON: No-no-no ... let me guess -- Kakki right? S'gotta be! JONI: Oh heavens! Her life is far more interesting than mine! DON: D'you mine-if I smoke? Aw-damn! Whattha hell kinna question's that! JONI: No, of course not. Okay, so which one is me? DON: Okayokay ... not Kakki -- I thought y'were Sue Mac fer the longest time ... figgered only you'd know ALL the chords ... JONI: Nope, but she's certainly clever ... guess again. DON: Well-I been there a while ... wait, I'll bet issa guy! JONI: You're getting warmer -- how'd you know? DON: Y'know -- the whole Art Nouveau thing, 'swhat tipped me off. JONI: Somehow I don't think so ... DON: Okay, Bob Muller's out. Says way too many nice things 'bout other 'rtists t-be you ... oh god, I hope that din't sound like it came out. JONI: (laughing) No not at all ... DON PARDO: Will Don find out Joni's secret identity? Will Joni be a designated driver? Be sure and tune in next time when we'll hear Joni say ... JONI: So help me God, this is LAST time -- TO BE CONTINUED. ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:23:09 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: "racial slurs" - now NJC Hi folks I've really been enjoying the thread on abusive language. I have been very lucky that I'm not in one of the commonly victimised groups of people, and have not had to deal with bigotry myself. The argument around which words a person can use or not use is very tricky. But I think I can understand how you can use abusive terms to a very good friend, and not be abusive. My 'best mate' and I have a habit of using very rude language with each other, which is entirely meant in jest, and neither of us has ever been in the least bit offended. I think it works like this - The subtext is always, "isn't it great that we are so close to each other that we CAN be SO abusive with each other, AND STILL NOT BE OFFENDED!" It follows from this, that the meaning of a word is entirely in the way it is said. Take a jmdl word for instance. Where I come from, the word 'slut' is very abusive. On this list though, no-one is using it that way, and no-one has taken offence. Perhaps you guys just don't know what it means!! Seriously, thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. The discussions on the jmdl always teach me a thing or two. I hope. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:10:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 10 Easy Pieces and Webb in Boston (vljc) Paul wrote: > I remember saying to Karen how his piano voicings sounded so > Joni Mitchell in places. She thought it might have been the other way > round. Whatever, I was pleased to discover Joni had made cameo > appearances on both his 1972 'Letters' album and on 1974's 'Land's > End'. This is a thought that hadn't occured to me before but there may be some connection with the piano influences. Webb had often spoken of Joni glowingly and how they used to hang out a lot together when Webb lived in L.A. in the late 60s to the late 70s. I'm thrilled to hear so many of the JMDL group are going to see him in Boston. I would suggest some of those going pick up his book on songwriting "Tunesmith" (now available in paperback) and take it to the show to have signed. He is very proud of the book and it could be a great way to break into hearing a few of his Joni stories. (She is mentioned all over that book). I can't wait to hear the reviews! Kakki NP: Facelift ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:10:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: Parts 1&2 I don't know about anyone else, but I think Don has captured the very essence of how I think Joni would be with a visitor. Gracious, at ease, kind and funny. Which reminds me of the funny story she tells in the PWWAM video, about her stay in BC where she was knitting something (a poncho or an Afghan in "earth colours"?) and her conversation with a woman who was staying at the same inn/hotel/lodge. It ends with her quoting the other woman saying something like "Look at all them goddam stars!" Just proof to me of what a good storyteller Joni is, even when she's talkin', not singin'! I think, what great fun she would be to just yak with (if I could get over the b'duh, b'duh inability to speak when first meeting her that I for one would likely do - I'd probably start talking about the weather, for God's sake! Do you think Joni would mind? "They're such sky-oriented people, geared to changing weather.") Which leads me to this - would anyone be interested in having that little story transcribed? I'm willing to do it if anyone is. I think even if you've got the video, having a written version of that nice little story would be a bit of a treat. And for those who don't have it, it'd make a nice piece of writing IMO. If anyone has already transcribed this, please let me know soonest, before I go aggravating that writer's bump on the old right hand. I haven't seen it on the jmdl site, but I'm nowhere near finished with reading everything that's on that sucker! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: My Dinner With Joni ... A Serial Radio Drama: The Conclusion DON PARDO: As the moon ascends high over Laurel Canyon, we pick up Joni and her guest in the basement rec room ... SFX: Buzzers, bells and thumping of a pinball machine. DON: Tilt!? I was robbed! JONI: You should never bet against the house machine. DON: Yeah, well, I'd have had you that second game if El Cafe had kept off the glass! JONI: You sound just like Klein! DON: More than you know ... but then again, you do read the jmdl ... JONI: (laughing) Don't remind me! Come on, honestly, was the perm THAT bad? DON: I'm really a terrible judge of such things ... JONI: How diplomatic! DON: Oh that word! But you do have a drink in your hand ... JONI: Don't worry, I only aim at empty suits. DON: Fair enough ... wow. JONI: What wow? DON: This ... all this -- wow. Oops ... there I go again with the star-struck fan speak. JONI: It's alright, I understand. DON: I hope so. I haven't said so many idiotic things in succession since my failed attempts at flirting with Kathy Sparr in 7th Grade Bio class. SFX: Distant car horn honks. JONI: Guess that's your cab. DON: Guess so. Well thanks for everything ... especially the espresso -- it was kind of touch and go there for a minute. JONI: I won't tell if you don't. SFX: Footsteps under, then door opening. JONI: Speaking of not telling ... DON: Right, your list alter-ego. My lips, or I guess I should say fingers, in this case, are sealed. JONI: Good, it means a lot. Thanks for coming. DON: No thank you for asking. Good night. JONI: Night. MUSIC UP: "Night Ride Home" THE END ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:27:47 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Wally Visits Joni YOW... Wally!!! WOW!!!! Our Lady of Duality strikes again cuz I feel so happy for you that I am dancing with joy around the room- while at the same time feeling green with envy! Hope you are feeling better soon. Thank you again for all that you do for Joni and for us! Thanks to Leslie for the preliminary report!! love- Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:30:55 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: JMDL releases NJC Catherine wrote: > From reading some of the posts, I'm aware that some >of you are professionals, but I'd be very interested in hearing some of your >music (if my pocketbook can stand it!) (And I like buying stuff where I >know the people because, besides getting some good stuff, you're helping out >your friends as well.) Catherine- Thanks for this sweet thought!!!! I'm delighted to send CDs to any and all- just email me. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 17:31:14 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: JMDL releases NJC Cyberpal Bob- Thanks so much for your glowing review of "Different from the Rest"! Can I quote you??? "JMDL's King Slut sez".... :~) Linda BTW I was happy to hear myself described as "no longer a lurker"... Just yesterday, I was pondering... (and had no answer to): "what *is* a lurker..." " am I still one?" "how many times... with what frequency... does one need to post to be officially delurked????" :~) was just wondering if I oughtta post on lurker day or not................ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:06:30 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: J'sJ'sJazz #6 Julian’s Joni’s Jazz Part Six The band kicks a mellow funk of a groove and Chaka slides into the opening lyrics of the great and all knowing song "Hejira." Ms. Khan is smooth at first as if to greet us and make us feel at home, and then its time for lift-off. With wild, broad strokes of lipstick colors she paints Joni's words on the mirror before us. Just when I think she’s done all she can, she spreads her wings across all of Central Park, New York and the world and has a rendezvous with a clarinet in the middle of the sun. The band pulls her down into their metropolitan swing for the second verse. I'm seeing the city lights streaming by her as she struts down Broadway, Sunset Boulevard, Charing Cross Road, and the Champ d'Elyses. Listen, I think I hear Ravi Coltrane coming through the smog and the city streets. Queen Khan issues forth proclamations of pleasure and pain, insight and euphoria, joy and understanding for all of this kingdom to witness and experience. I orbit around the sun with her and am bound and tied to her, and she makes it OK because of the truce she’s made with the moon. The band bubbles and sways with her as she scats and improvises words with images of her daily life, little girls dancing and Joni dancing. Chaka then introduces us to her dancing granddaughter who "loves Joni." She continues to swoop, soar and wail in ecstasy as the band ties on a tight love knot around everyone. Damn, I’m in heaven! After that epic I stop the tape and gather my wits about me. Once they're in order I dive back in. PM Dawn waltzes in on "Song for Sharon." A soft, soulful and compassionate voice flows out across a serene band. Each line is carefully placed as if it were a gift in a special wrapping. The band hums, spins and swirls like a gentle summer breeze. Sheryl and Christina punctuate this serene song with their backing vocals. I am lulled into staring at the clouds floating by and before I know it, the song has ended. A strong voice comes on and says "Are you all still here?" Shakers, guitar, and organ come grooving and shimmying around the corner giddy from the acid jazz flowing through them, and then Toshi Reagon tags the opening line of "Black Crow" like it was an old friend in a happy party of strangers. The shakers take on the driving beat of feathers against the air. Her passionate voice spreads wings and barnstorms the crowd with long, broad sweeps and well chosen staccato exclamations, "...d-d-d-d-diving d-d-d-d-diving down...". Vernon Reid takes a guitar solo and peppers the air with thick, crunch and spitting explosions - like setting fire to a bag of five alarm chili and then whipping your head in a fireworks factory. Toshi swoops in and picks up Vernon’s torch and flies with this burning ball and sends Joni’s lyrics into showers of improvised sparks. Toshi and the band land this gorgeous comet of a tune safely off in the distance and the crowd self combusts into wild applause. (I think I got sunburnt off that one.) Enjoy, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:53:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL releases NJC In a message dated 11/5/99 4:33:44 PM US Central Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << Just yesterday, I was pondering... (and had no answer to): "what *is* a lurker..." " am I still one?" "how many times... with what frequency... does one need to post to be officially delurked????" :~) >> Good question, Linda...it's not for me to say, but I would think that if you're not drawn to post at least once or twice a month, you're lurking...maybe others can help shore up a definition...at any length, you no longer qualify - and that's good news for all of us! Bob NP: Tori, "i i e e e" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #498 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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