From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #496 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 496 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Racial Slurs ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Racial Slurs (VLJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Hendricks and Ross Review (definitely JC) ["Kakki" ] RE: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: Thanks [Jamie Zubairi ] Dreamland. Discuss [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: (NJC) Millennium Countdown [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: 6dgrzz Millenium cntdwn [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED ["Catherine McKay" ] Julian's Joni's Jazz # 5 [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Dreamland. Discuss ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Urge for going (guitar chords) - [very long] [Anne Sandstrom ] CatGirl's Joni List [Bounced Message ] Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! [Steve Polifka ] Re: baby taylor NJC [dsk ] Re: baby taylorNJC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: baby taylor... [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni and Us (was Racial Slurs) [dsk ] Joni screensaver second edition [charles atlas sheppard ] Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer In November ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! ["Kakki" ] Wally Visits Joni [Leslie Mixon ] RE: Wally Visits Joni ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: feeling 'connected' (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Wally Visits Joni ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 03:59:41 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Racial Slurs Debra Shea commented: CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >> I think Joni just writes and not to any particular color sex or religion. >> She just paints with words and music....Do we get offended when she writes... >> I don't get offended.I think she is being very broad...Frankly, I just love >> this album. It is one of her bests!! >Proof again that Joni's music can be experienced on many different levels. With >this discussion I'm amazed again at the power of her work -- that 22 years after >DJRD was released it's still not only listened to, but discussed in such detail. >There's no other artist that interests me this way; even the Beatles' music, as >influential as it was to the music that followed and as much as I enjoyed >listening to it, now seems very dated and so tied to the time it was created that >much of it doesn't seem alive anymore, unlike the robust health of all of Joni's >music. This thread is SO beautiful! & SO true. DJRD is the album/CD I would hope was in my Walkman if stranded on a desert isle (hopefully with a solar battery recharger)! Yes I've previously said my choice would be S&L - because all my fav musicians play on it. But the more I listen & think about it, DJRD is my fav because it SO uniquely captures the essence of the late great 20th Century in such an intimate way. If I could only play Paprika Plains a few times before my batteries died I would be happy. Anyone who interprets ANYTHING on DJRD as racist is FAR TOO politically correct in my book. A fellow mutt of the planet, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:38:52 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Racial Slurs (VLJC) In a message dated 11/4/99 1:03:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Anyone who interprets ANYTHING on DJRD as racist is FAR TOO politically correct in my book. >> I don't think that people here are interpreting things on DJRD as "racist" in that "politically correct" way, per se. I think that we are simply offering up different awareness of words and what they mean and the power that they can punch - intended racist content or not. What consideration, if any, should an artist give to the meaning and history of words that they will use as the mortar and bricks of their creation? This thread has burped up a couple of memories for me that are relevant: I can remember sitting in church when I was about 8 years old and thinking about the line: "blessed be his holy name." And I wondered what if "his" name was something less awe inspiring like "Fred Flinstone," which morphed into what if the word for "dog" was really "cat." Who would care? And I reasoned that no one would care because people create the symbols that make the letters that make the words that hold the meaning. Fast forward and juxtapose that onto a conversation I had while serving a tiny stretch of time in a religious cult by the name of the Unification Church, (aka Moonies). Part of their dogma was that heaven would be realized here on earth once certain conditions were met and put in place. One of the hallmarks of this heaven would be the absence of slurs and words that damned and maimed. Not because they were banned or eradicated, but because we would all be "aware" of what and how we say things and strive to always speak with truth and love and kindness. I liked that idea, although it wasn't a lesson I was yet able to fully understand. I'm losing sight of my point here in the midst of my insomnia and churning heart, but I am driving at what seems for me to be the difficulty of making a point, creating art, illustrating a vision, provoking deeper thought and yet, at the same time, speaking with love and kindness and truth. Not an easy job. MG - off to root through the hall closet for spiritual Tums..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 01:40:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Hendricks and Ross Review (definitely JC) Whoo and Hoohoo! What a great time tonight seeing Jon Hendricks and Annie Ross at the Catalina Bar & Grill!! I chose to go to the late show, just on the miniscule off-chance that She may decide to wander in for the show (I was prepared to ask her who "Tar Baby and the Great White Wonder" really were ;-) So, anyway, my friend and I arrive between shows and chat with the band for awhile. I learn that 3 of the 4 band members performed at Joni's Jazz last summer. They ask me if I was there and I say "no, but 20 of 'my friends' were there and I've heard the tape" ;-) My friend tells them that I really want to hear "Twisted" but they inform me that Annie performed it for the first set and would not be doing it on the second set ;-( So I go into my whole JM thang and stuff and they tell me to just yell it out during the set and maybe she'd sing it. One of the band member says wickedly "Oh yes, we know Twisted, it is Annie's Social Security Number" ;-D The lights dim, the show starts and out comes Jon and Annie. Our minds are blown - Joni is almost 80 and Annie is almost 70 and they both look and act at least 30 years younger. Annie especially could easily pass for a 40ish fashion model. (I say the spirit of music does it). They sing Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Joao Gilberto (ahhhhh...sigh.....) and Charlie Parker and then Annie shoos Jon off the stage and says "You know all you here were invited tonight as my special guests and I have a song just for you" and then looks right at me and smiles and launches into a perfect "Twisted"!!! (Well, Golly-be-darned and I didn't even have to yell it out) They were just amazing and I can't believe I had the chance to see these living legends perform on an off-night backstreet in Hollywood. Afterward they both came over to my table and we talked and I asked them to sign my Court & Spark CD cover by their song and they were incredibly sweet and just really darling. Jon said "you know we have the ONLY song on there that she didn't write" and I assured him I knew that. Annie went to talk with her friend and I talked awhile with Jon. I said they should get a website so we can keep track of where they are appearing and he said someone in the audience last night from JPL who helped put that explorer thing on Mars offered to create one for them. Told him I got the tapes of Joni's Jazz and he was astounded and all excited like a kid. Told him I'd make him some copies if he'd like and he immediately wrote out his address and phone number. Asked him if I should include an extra set for Annie and he said "ohhh yeah, when she finds out I have these she's gonna want a copy, too!" (Simon - if you are reading this and would like to present them with first edition mint copies, please let me know and I'll let you take over from here ;-) For you NoCal and Seattle-lites - they are coming to your neighborhoods in the next couple weeks. Sometime next week they will be at Yoshi's in Oakland, CA and the week of Nov. 18th they will be at the Jazz Alley in Seattle. I hope some of you get the chance to see them - they are wonderful. And I told them that more of "my friends" would be seeing them there. ;-) Kakki NP: Twisted - "I may have been only three but I was swingin" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:00:43 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED Well there is justice in this world!!! Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:14:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millenium Countdown (6 Degrees) (NJC) In a message dated 11/3/99 8:20:51 PM US Central Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Zappa's solo album "Hot Rats" featured Max Bennett on bass, and John Guerin on drums - need I say more? >> Good Job, Helen! You come through at last! :~) And given that it was Zappa playing with some C&S-era guys, maybe he should have done a cover of "Trouble Child"...I recall seeing Zappa on the old Mike Douglas Show, and remember his brilliant guitar playing. Mike seemed like a square, but I guess on that's bigotry on my part because he did some really innovative things musically on his show... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:22:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hendricks and Ross Review (definitely JC) In a message dated 11/4/99 3:41:48 AM US Central Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Told him I got the tapes of Joni's Jazz and he was astounded and all excited like a kid. Told him I'd make him some copies if he'd like and he immediately wrote out his address and phone number. >> Kakki, what a wonderful story!!! And you are such a good rep for the JMDL...I feel like I'm living vicariously whenever you share stories like this! Although I must say I *was* waiting for the part when Joni comes out, sings along, then also sits at your table...:~) Thanks again for sharing the thrill! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:24:55 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Thanks and false alarms Dear all, just a short note to thank you for the welcome messages I received since I posted my first mail. Your help with the tape trees has also been great. It's really nice to be in the "garden". Raffaele BTW: did you ever wonder about what Joni sings in Amelia: "It's just a false alarm"? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:34:25 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Thanks Dear Raffaele I am based in Hammersmith mainly but the travel agency is in Marble Arch. What turned you on to the music of Joni? I liked her since I was 15 (12 years ago) and it was Rainy Night House but since then I have moved on to her later albums and the less well known releases. How is Joni Mitchell know in Italy? I know that she visits there occassionally as she understands the Rennaissance Spirit that is there in the Arts. She may perform at La Scala later on in the month, but nothing is confirmed. Hoping you are well. Much Joan Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:28:18 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Dreamland. Discuss It is amazing the amount of post this thread has engendered. I am so glad that I brought it up (little pat on the back for myself). What is good about it is that (and someone brought this up) DJRD is still fresh to today's music IMHO. I mean Dylan of the same period or even contemporary artists of the same period can't get out of that 'disco' feel of 1977 (I'm not talking about Dylan, here of course), and yet this album has come into it's own right as a great album with its tangentials, themes, subject matter and and it's humour. Sure it doesn't sound like Massive Attack (apparently *the* sound of the late 90's ISO - in someone's opinion) but for a guitar based artist to have a unique sound and not sound dated is wonderful. She is a wizard. Listening to the music of DJRD and even just on a sonic level, it is complex and mindblowing IMHO, so far away from the folksy tinklings and plunkings of LOTC which people still to this day think of as the *classic* Joni sound. Don't get me wrong LOTC and especially Rainy Night House was my first initiation into the world of Joan but thankfully we have been able to move with her. I guess that's why we're fans. BTW talking about that 1977 'disco' feel, towards the end of the song DJRD when Joni sings 'You and I, you and I, You and I, Oh You and I!', is anyone reminded of Boney M? That may be the only part that places it in 1977 (he said, contradicting himself). But maybe the writers for Boney M liked that part and took it for themsleves. I dunno, just a lyric thing I guess. Just musing a little. Jamie Zubairi NFTLT (now forced to listen to) Belinda Carlisle, Heaven and Earth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:32:59 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: (NJC) Millennium Countdown John Peel is doing a Peelenium countdown, a different year every night. Tonight he did 1967. From an amazing year in music this is what he played : Country Joe and the Fish - Pat's Song The Beatles - I Am The Walrus The Who - I Can See For Miles The Rolling Stones - She's a Rainbow Blue Cheer - Summertime Blues The Purple Gang - Granny Takes a Trip Captain Beefheart - Sure nuff, Yes I Do Love - The Castle Pink Floyd - Arnold Layne James Carr - The Dark End Of The Street now that's what I call music Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:48:35 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: 6dgrzz Millenium cntdwn In a message dated 11/4/99 3:03:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I'll leave Zappa and... >> That's and easy one: Warren Cucurullo toured and recorded with both Joni and Frank. ...the Police one is coming to me but not quite yet. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:12:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED >VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED OF FELONY MURDER, ADDITIONAL CHARGES Hurray - the only regret from me is that it was second-degree and not first-degree he was convicted of. Fortunately, the other guilty charges should be enough to lock him up for good. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:18:41 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 10 Easy Pieces (NJC) Had a really great interaction with a friend last week. She said, "Paul, you gorra coome'n'see Jimmy Webb's second set tonight at the Pizza on the Park" [Ed. I hope they can all speak 'Liverpool']. Me: "I'm not sure, I've been to two gigs already this month - mmm I can't really afford it." [said in the sort of high-pitched wingy English voice that makes you wanna go home] Karen: "Ohhhh...kume ed.....it'll be reeeeally greeeat!!! Me: "It's a lotta money, Chuck! I like his songs and all... one's I've heard, Witchita Line Man, great, and of course Phoenix and Park but........I've never seen him perform them live, mind. Karen: "Well you've got to, coz he will change yer friggin' life!!! I'm paying!! Me: OK! She was right. PaulC PS He's on at a jazz club in Boston next week, if you have a friend who needs a little inspiration in their life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:27:40 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Julian's Joni's Jazz # 5 Julian's Joni's Jazz Part Five The tape ends and I leave the paradoxes of DuPont Circle and work my way up 18th street to find a friendly coffee shop. With a cup of fresh "joe" from the Jolt and Bolt I find a seat and change tapes. As I take my first few sips, Danny Kapilian is introduced by an "old friend." Danny explains to us how rare it is that an album gets played, live, in its entirety, with the exception of Pink Floyd [and Frank Zappa] it just isn't done. Well, I sit back and ready myself to hear one of my all-time favorite albums played by this all-star cast that has already wowed me to no end. As he runs down the list of who's doing what I am, again, giggling with delight just thinking of the possibilities. Joy Askew sails with great mastery in to the endless miles of imagery in "Coyote." The road/Rhodes (sic/sick) scholar band as Joy’s vehicle hugs and conquers the kaleidoscopic terrain. Joy whips and wails her lines like broad strokes of a fine brush across this landscape ("...too far from the Bay of Fundy." - a musical eagle diving and catching a perfect note of a rainbow trout) that the band articulates every boulder, pebble, hill and valley so beautifully. John Kelly comes in to grace us once again with his high ethereal voice and the very brilliant Don Byron on bass clarinet is John’s perfect shadow on the ground as I fly into the clouds with "Amelia." The rest of the band dodge and dart in and out adding color, hue and form around this dance of Heaven and Earth. I am given the vision of being in a "bleak terrain" when suddenly a shadow passes over me. I look up to the sun to see a silver cross shooting across the cobalt sky. While the perfectly straight vapor trail delineates the plane’s path through the heavens, the shadow that is cast caresses and depicts every topographic distortion of the earth. This depiction of the dichotomy of heaven and earth by Kelly and Byron, through Joni's music and lyrics, unfold another layer of meaning in this song for me. John flies back in to the sun and Don slithers in to an arroyo and then up and over a mountain. Doug Weiselman and Don Byron set the stage of old Beale Street on Joni-tuned guitar and clarinet for Eric Anderson's dusty sunset voice to walk down in to "Furry Sings the Blues." This is a perfect match of talents. From the music, I can see the grain of the wood on Sweetie’s Snack Bar, the patina on Handy’s bronze statue, and Ben Perowsky on drums gives me the old glitter and "click of high heeled shoes. Eric treats every word with the same road weary wisdom that could only be old Fury channeling through Eric for a little self perspective. Don and Doug (maybe it’s Doug, but how could it be? Is it Don pulling a Roland Kirk trick on me? There are two clarinets winding around each other like Memphis mudwrestling snakes....?) jam the break with all the other things that Joni couldn’t put in her lyrics like bent playing cards, empty bottles, dirty ashtrays, fading, flaking photos, the smells and the tastes. I put down my coffee, pull out my wallet and take out the Mercury dime that I carry around with me....for some unknown reason. As I stare at this old forgotten currency and Furry's singing ends I think I know why I keep it, but I can’t say. Jane Siberry comes on stage to chat with us all. She would like it if Joni could come up and help her out with "A Strange Boy." Jane then picks out something that I find to be so true: that mournful, single note slide down on the word "alarm" in her song "Amelia." Yes, it is so sad and soothing at the same time, I would have to agree. With the first ring of a bell and tickle of the guitar I am ready for Jane's cute, aloof, flirting. The band builds a strange world of pops, clicks, layers and runs for this strange boy that Ms. Siberry is awkwardly, but perfectly courting. She runs through some lines, soars through others and sometimes stops to talk with the band, Joni and the crowd. I am left fascinated with this coupling. (What would the children look like?) Enjoy, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:41:00 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Dreamland. Discuss Jamie said: "What is good about it is that (and someone brought this up) DJRD is still fresh to today's music IMHO." For me, it's REALLY fresh because somehow I missed out on this one and never bought it until a couple of months ago. I'm so glad I got it before this thread came up or I'd be totally lost. Maybe I speak from a prejudiced viewpoint when I say I agree with you 100% - however, going back and listening to some other stuff from that same time period, I feel safe in saying that the music, the lyrics, the whole thing (except for maybe the cover art, which isn't, IMO, one of her better ones) is truly fresh. And, is it just me, or does her voice sound really great in DJRD? I dunno, but to me, this is her best in terms of the quality of her singing voice. The girlish soprano is gone, there's a maturity there, but there's still a refreshing youthfulness and vigour to her signing - the vocal range and depth of expression is marvellous. Maybe it's just a phase I'm going through, but right now, this really is my favourite. (Give yerself another pat on the back, man!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:42:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC VERDICT: MCKINNEY CONVICTED > Well there is justice in this world!!! > > Jamie Zubairi > > Yes but the first degree murder charge should have stuck. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:52:55 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: false alarms kinda long Raffaele wrote: BTW: did you ever wonder about what Joni sings in Amelia: "It's just a false alarm"? Yes. Constantly. It's a hook that is one of the most poignant in her writing and the meaning changes throughout the song. Most of the time it's about the realisation that the love she experienced recently wasn't the real thing, a false alarm, IMHO. She starts off by leaving the meaning unexplained... 'It was the strings of my guitar, Amelia, It was just a false alarm' She then goes on to explain a little what she meant by that previous verse 'The drone of flying engines.... Your life becomes a travelogue of picture postcard charms Oh Amelia...etc' That she has felt her struggles have been a little fruitless up to now. The next verse she goes on to talk specifiaclly about an experience with Rolling Thunder where her music has been badly received by the audience and people just didn't get it. She thought she found a perfect way for her music, 'a paradise' but it was just a false alarm. Then the most accessible of verses is the one about the lover, 'I wish that he was here tonight..' and needs little explanation. The next verse is explaining to us to whom she is actually talking to. Amelia Earhardt (sp?) the pioneer aviator who went missing flying over (some ocean, help I can't remember details) and is compared to Icarus, trying to reach for the sun, getting the wax holding his wings together melted and so falls into the sea. A similee for trying to achieve greatness and getting scorched by it. 'Maybe I've never really loved, I guess that is the truth. I've spent the whole life in clouds at icy altitudes'. This verse and the next relates to the change in her music and voice. IMHO. In interviews she has said that she was criticised by audiences during this Rolling Thunder for not being able to relate to her audience, for having a voice that was so high that it was in clouds. It also is a double entendre saying that Clouds, the album, doesn't relate to herself or anyone anymore, that it was past it's prime and on to a new way. Hence,'I pulled into the CactusTree Motel' i.e. that period of her music was only a stepping stone, a stopping point, on a much longer journey. The dreams, dreams and false alarms were just dead ends where she would swing by but not dwell for long. Interesting to note that the audiences she refers to are usually prison audiences and deep south backroom bar venues where her music wouldn't have meant much to many. I remember reading it in a volume called Rock Lives. She seems to want to talk to Amelia as she feels some empathy with this woman, as if she needed to explain her position, sometimes with regret, sometimes with longing, sometimes with the need to move on. You did ask!! I hope this is able to help you along. Anyone else wanting to contribute is quite welcome. Some of this is conjecture. Some of this is piecing together interviews and albums and tours to find out what she meant. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:00:23 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Urge for going (guitar chords) - [very long] Hi Sue. <> YES, YES, YES - you've hit exactly upon the other 'magic' ingredient to Joni's playing. In fact, there are times, I think when you 'know' a shape is wrong because it doesn't fit into the dance your fingers do on the fretboard. If it requires a certain amount of contortion, it's wrong. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this - it's wonderful to connect with other guitarists who understand this method of playing and to hear put into words so eloquently what I've only sensed and felt for so many years. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:46:15 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: baby taylor... ok gang, this is related but a slight turn in the road here... I've been unsuccessful in finding a guitarist among my acquaintances and so I have a question I need a little help on: funny thing... this whole UFG thread has really got me going and, in my frustration at not finding anyone with a guitar I could use, I called the local guitar shop this afternoon and they have baby taylors coming in next month for $389.00!!! I remember kakki talking about them and it sounded interesting... I went down there the other day and played a couple regular size taylors and they sure sound great! the guy said 'taylor' is the name of the guy who makes them and he was a martin craftsman before. think I'm gonna go down tomorrow and put down a deposit on one... has anyone ever tried a baby taylor? I'm not sure how 'baby' this guitar is... never seen one. I'd appreciate it if I could get some input on this in the next 15 hours or so, especially cons as I'm feeling pretty positive on this and have it in my gut to just go for it. I may need tempering... *L* thanks, pat NP: Black Sheep LIVE! - Martin Sexton http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:03:11 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: CatGirl's Joni List From: FMYFL@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:44:03 EST Good morning friends, CatGirl sent her first pic from her Joni group at Onelist.com. It was a great pic of Bob M. at Jonifest '99. He looked so beautiful in that long blonde wig. :~) Just a reminder for those who have not sub.scribed to CatGirl's list, and for the newbies who don't know about it. It's a great list to subscribe to since we can't download pics on the JMDL. It's free and easy to join. The addy is http://jonimitchellfans@onelist.com. Have a Great Day!!! Jimmy np:Sylvester "You Make Me Feel Mighty Real" (it's on the radio, but I always loved that song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:11:38 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! Hello Everyone on the JMDL! Happy Birthday a few days early Joni! Thank you! This is coming out day for me, (even tho' I've been out for years!) ;-) This lurker has revealed himself! So many of you have made me laugh with your wonderful posts, and stirred questions and made me ponder all-things-Joni, and shared so much that I feel I know some of you already. Often I have wished to be part of the group and discussions, although I am in spirit! Maybe it's time for some sharing of myself… Here is the Joni-facet of the diamond of my life… The first song that I heard of HERS was Big Yellow Taxi back in '70 and I was in 8th grade. I ran to get the 45 rpm-remember those? Later on my friend Kim in high school would send me her lyrics from Blue and FTR (in notes passed to me from three rows over,) and blow my mind when I compared them to Alice Cooper and Uriah Heep, which I loved. (I also loved Carly Simon and Carole King!) Then came actually hearing some Joni songs on tape… Of course, the first purchase was C&S… I wrote my first song when I was 17 and performed it at Senior Class Night, right before graduation. I had one year of piano when I was 10, and of course had the Joni piano teacher experience myself- didn't touch it for years, but ran back to it to play all the songs to C&S. Why didn't anyone else know or like JONI? She lead me to look inside myself; to be more observant and pay attention to detail and really start writing… A few months later came FTR and Blue, and then MOA was a Christmas present… I got all her lps retro about once a month- I needed time to absorb that voice and music and inspiration, and find my own… Back then I bought all her songbooks and got promo posters from the local music store, (and still do!). And I started writing more songs… Then I stumbled upon a dulcimer in a pawn shop. A few years later I ran into a luthier friend-of-a-friend, and he built me a Joellen Lapidus copy of the one Joni has in the Leonore Fliescher book… ( Can you say "trans-illumination"? or is that "fixation"?) And I started performing… The same with guitar; I still play Amelia… Oh Joni, it was just a false alarm… (I quit music to get a degree in Commercial Art… What was I thinking?) :-0 And I love sci-fi, films, plays and great people... What's my favorite Joni song or album? Depends on my mood! All the crazy you get from too much choice… how can you choose? Of course there are some special ones, like 2 Grey Rooms, which can move me to tears… There are many more Joni stories, but this is what I offer for now. Thanks to all the tape and CD trees, I've gotten more crazy! Special thanks to all that I've emailed privately- especially Jerry and Catgirl and Jimmy, who have made some of my intense searches for rarities come to a close… My 1st CD single was released about 2 months ago- this is for all the other songwriting JMDLer's out there, so I want to share some lyrics… Maybe see you in N'awlins? Talk to me! Steve P.S. Y'all shoulda been at Joni's Jazz in NYC. I think that's me yelling "We love you Joni!" on the tape... Cobalt Blue Now that love is gone You went back to him to carry on No lonely nights, or broken heart for you, for long How can I just be your friend? When all my hope for us did end I still want what I once knew... Now that your light has gone away I paint my life in shades of grey But my tears have their own hue... Cobalt Blue... As I rode by There he stood with you, and our eyes met- You had to hide So I walked in, alone, to say goodbye... How can I just be your friend? When it's love that I defend I still want what I once knew... I didn't dream your love would fade Painting my life in shades of grey But my tears have their own hue... Cobalt Blue... It's the only colour on the palette of my heart In a painting without you... Cobalt Blue... As I resist This urge to call I'm still longing, longing for your kiss... And for you to tell me, just tell me That I'm missed How can I just be your friend? A canvas torn; so hard to mend And you still want what you once knew... So few words, so much to say Distilled down to shades of grey And hilights in this sad view Of Cobalt Blue... It's the only colour on the palette of my heart In this painting without you... Cobalt Blue... c 1998 Steve Polifka Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:18:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CatGirl's Joni List NJC Jimmy said: <> Oh yes, I have a copy of me in that wig (Thanks to Jody)...I definitely have more of a Johnny Winter thing going on than a Joni thing though...pretty scary looking stuff! Bob NP: R.Thompson, "Cooksferry Queen" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:29:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! Hey Steve You must have read my mind today! I was just going to privately email you to see how you've been, and to see if you needed copies of the Joni Jazz tapes. Well now that I know that you saw the *real thing*, I guess you already have the tapes. Thanks for delurking, and what a great post! Hopefully *all* of us will hear more from you. Congratulations on your first single!!! The lyrics to "Cobalt Blue" are wonderful and I hope I can hear the single soon. (hint, hint,) Jimmy, who is enjoying the most beautiful COOL sunny day in Florida!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:11:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! steve wrote Here is the Joni-facet of the diamond of my life. what a beautiful way to put it!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 5 1994: Turbulent Indigo hits #53 in the UK. 1995: (From Wally's bio page): [Today,] Joni performed a short set at a dinner honoring cartoonist Garry Trudeau at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. She was accompanied by drummer Brian Blade, whom she'd met that past May at the New Orleans Jazz Festival. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:47:00 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: baby taylor NJC > ... has anyone ever tried a baby taylor? I'm not sure how 'baby' this guitar is... never seen one. I'd appreciate it if I could get some input on this in the next 15 hours or so, especially cons as I'm feeling pretty positive on this and have it in my gut to just go for it. I may need tempering... *L* Hi Pat, There was enough talk on the list a while back about how wonderful Taylor guitars are (and especially the relatively inexpensive Baby Taylor) that it even got piano-loving me drooling. I haven't heard one in person yet, but am thinking to find out more about them myself (and maybe, eventually, get some understanding of all that tab stuff I look at once in a while, which is visually quite beautiful, but definitely a foreign language to me, for now anyway :-). Taylor Guitars has a website, so you can at least see the different models, the list prices, dimensions of each style, history of the company, etc.: http://www.taylorguitars.com/ Good luck, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:46:05 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: baby taylorNJC > funny thing... this whole UFG thread has really got me going and, in my frustration at not finding anyone with a guitar I could use, I called the local guitar shop this afternoon and they have baby taylors coming in next month for $389.00!!! I bought a Baby Taylor last Christmas and I'm very happy with it, it's great for travelling, however, if it's to be your only guitar, IMO it's no substitute for a full size guitar. I believe the Baby's list for $399 with a hard shell case, shop around I paid I think I paid $289 w/the hard shell case. Good Luck; POC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:18:20 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: baby taylor... Pat, I bought a Baby Taylor for my daughter and it's got a sweet tone (needs new strings, tho). It doesn't have the depth of sound as a full sized guitar, but compared to the others I tried, it sounded better. Keep in mind that it's small..many use it when they travel. I paid a tad less. I'm just wondering if you could get a nice used (full sized) guitar for that amount of money. I have no idea... But if you're looking for something smaller, it's a great little guitar. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:42:02 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Joni and Us (was Racial Slurs) MGVal@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/99 1:03:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: > > << Anyone who interprets ANYTHING on DJRD as racist is FAR TOO politically > correct in my book. >> > > I don't think that people here are interpreting things on DJRD as "racist" > in that "politically correct" way, per se. I think that we are simply > offering up different awareness of words and what they mean and the power > that they can punch - intended racist content or not. Well put, MG. And as always in a discussion of Joni's work, I think we're also talking very personally about ourselves (even if we never mention ourselves directly). Joni's never "out there" as far as I'm concerned, which is probably why I've listened to her for so many years. Any issue that Joni brings up, whether it's racism or icy altitudes or solid love is important only because I then question myself about the same issues. Sounds very self-centered, and it may be, but great art such as hers causes/helps the listener to look inside. Only then is the work truly alive. I think this is what Joni's getting at when she says (paraphrasing now): It's not important what I meant by it; what does it mean to you? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: charles atlas sheppard Subject: Joni screensaver second edition I have just finished the second edition of the Joni Mitchell Screensaver. This edition features a few of her album covers and art work. All of these images have been culled from the net. If anyone has any concerns or gripes about copyright or any other ethical dilemmas please let me know now before I offer it to the world at large. As with all my other screensavers, I am making absolutely no money or recompense for my efforts. ===== Be cool, stay warm Charles Atlas Sheppard Support The Nepenthe Journal http://www.freespeech.org/tumbleweed Click on the text link below: Protect Your Privacy on the web! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:16:37 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: NJC: "The Myth of Fingerprints" Hi Everybody, Ocasionally I'll run across a video that I've missed on the big screen and I am pleasantly surprised to discover just how good a movie it turns out to be! I wanted to encourage you to rent "The Myth of Fingerprints." It's more "Ordinary-People-ish" than Holly Hunter's/Robert Downey Jrs' "Home-for-the-Holidays-ish." The following is "Yahoo's" description of the movie: http://www.cinema1.com/movies97/mythoffingerprints/us.html "THE MYTH OF FINGERPRINTS" is the funny, sharply observed tale of an uneasy and emotionally charged New England family reunion. From the outside, they seem like a perfectly normal American family. But it's been three years since they have gathered together. Now the four adult children, Warren (Noah Wyle), Mia (Julianne Moore), Jake (Michael Vartan) and Leigh (Laurel Holloman), are finally returning home for Thanksgiving to their eccentric, self-absorbed father (Roy Scheider) and their gentle mother (Blythe Danner). And, as if tensions weren't strained enough by this reunion, Mia and Jake bring along their significant others (Brian Kerwin and HopeDavis), and Warren is contacted by the ex-girlfriend (Arija Bareikis) he has beenpining for. First-time writer/director Bart Freundlich finds comedy and pathos in the edgy moments that break out unexpectedly between family members, cracking the fragile veneer of family life. In an atmosphere of enforced holiday togetherness, the group is forced to face its hidden truths. With wit and sly observation, Freundlich gradually uncovers the secrets and resentments that lie under the handsomely composed faces of his stellar cast and the ravishing images of cinematographer Stephen Kazmierski. For anyone who has survived a tense Thanksgiving with their family, "THE MYTH OF FINGERPRINTS" will be a deeply familiar and vividly moving experience. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:02:51 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer In November First, the news ... the duo is signing with Signature Sounds Recording Company, a songwriter label out of Whately, Mass. whose roster includes Salamander Crossing, Richard Shindell, Louise Taylor, Brooks Williams, Mark Erelli and Erica Wheeler, among others. For info: http://www.signature-sounds.com In July, the duo joined Patty Griffin, Dick Dale, and Philip Claypool in endorsing CFox Guitars, made in Healdsburg, CA by renowned luthier Charles Fox. http://www.cfox.com - -------------------------------------------- DAVE CARTER & TRACY GRAMMER November Concerts - -------------------------------------------- Thurs Nov 4 - West Linn OR - 6:30 pm West Linn Public Library, 1595 Burns St., 503-656-7853 Sat/Sun Nov 6/7 - Cannon Beach OR Stormy Weather Arts Festival, Chamber Community Hall, 11 am (Sat); 10:30 am (Sun) Tues Nov 9 - Northampton MA - 7 pm & 9:30 Iron Horse Music Hall (opening for Greg Brown), 20 Center St., 416-586-8686 Fri-Sun Nov 12-14 - Lake Harmony PA Northeast Regional Folk Alliance Conference FRIDAY --> 11:25p (Chicago Showcase); 12:45a (Vic's Music Corner, Ballroom C) /// SATURDAY --> 1 pm (Chicago Showcase); 1:50p (Folk roots panel w/Gene Shay); 11:45p (Falcon Ridge in-the-round) http://www.nefolk.org Tues Nov 16 - Worcester MA - 7:15 am WCUW guest hosting with Richard Fox Sat Nov 20 - Worcester MA - 8 pm Green Rooster Coffeehouse, United Cong. Church, 6 Institute Rd, Patty Keough & friends open, 508-798-3010 Sun Nov 21 - Chester NY - 7 pm Bodles Opera House, 13 Main St., 914-469-4595 http://www.bodles.com/ Sun Nov 28 - Cambridge MA - 7:30 pm Club Passim (opening for Garnet Rogers), 47 Harvard Square, 617-495-7679 reservations http://www.clubpassim.com/ FUTURE: Sat Dec 4 - Portland OR - 8 pm Homecoming show at St. Johns Pub - Andrew Calhoun opens!, 8203 N. Ivanhoe, 503-283-8520 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ DAVE CARTER & TRACY GRAMMER Visit the website for CDs, soundclips, bios, mail list, lyrics... http://songs.com/daveandtracy Management: Lisa Lepine, llpromo@teleport.com Booking: Tracy Grammer, tgmusic@easystreet.com ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:29:38 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Racial Slurs In a message dated 11/4/1999 4:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << DJRD is the album/CD I would hope was in my Walkman if stranded on a desert isle (hopefully with a solar battery recharger)! >> ...and DJRD is a double LP so you twice the music!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:37:21 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: (NJC) Millennium Countdown Peelennium 1968 Cream - Crossroads Buffolo Springfield - Expecting to Fly Bonzo dog Band - Canyons of your Mind T. Rex - Salamander Palagander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:56:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Millennium Countdown > Peelennium 1968 > > Cream - Crossroads > Buffolo Springfield - Expecting to Fly > Bonzo dog Band - Canyons of your Mind > T. Rex - Salamander Palagander Philip - Between this and the previous list you posted, I believe I have finally found my soul mate in Mr. Peel. Kakki, sighing wistfully ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:11:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Okay okay! I'll stop lurking now! Welcome Steve and Raffaele! I enjoyed your first posts very much and am looking forward to more lurkers and lurkettes posting in the next few days! Congratulations on the CD release, Steve. There are so many here whose CDs I want to acquire - just when I think I have them all, new ones surface! Today when I picked up the mail, I had another billionth envelope from Publishers Clearing House saying for the millonth time that I am in the running for the $21 million prize. The thought seriously crossed my mind that if I won, I could buy more large cabinets to store my ever-burgeoning stacks of CDs and tapes. Even better would be to have a type of jukebox housed in a very tasteful piece of furniture that held and played 5,000 CDs by remote vocal command ;-) Dreaming, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:16:45 +0000 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Wally Visits Joni Wally has asked me to pass on some information from him to you. A few weeks ago Joni called Wally and asked him to come down and visit with her for a weekend, so Wally and his best friend, Jim, boarded a big silver bird and flew down to the city of the fallen angels. Joni was most gracious, sweet and caring. She played her new album for Wally and Jim, showed them her home, they shared several meals together, and much more. Wally brought some photographs with him to give Joni (including several of mine) and some other presents. Wally will soon post a more detailed version of their weekend together, including photos, but unfortunately, he's a bit ill right now so he's asked me to just pass on the word that Joni sends greetings to her Internet Community. Ms. Mitchell did not disappoint! More soon. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:17:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Wally Visits Joni wally, wally, bless him! wally[k] > Wally has asked me to pass on some information from him to you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:57:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: feeling 'connected' (NJC) ange dear, i went through a very similar experience last january. taking off my clothes and diving into the sea off the coast of antarctica was one the most mystical experiences i have ever had. the cold was intense, cleansing, intoxicating. i thought, "there is life in these murderously cold waters and i'm visiting it." a russian couple and a woman from greenland joined me and we stayed for a minute or two on the verge of death, naked and grinning foolishly, looking at one another, understanding. my friend was waiting on the shore, sick with anxiety. we couldn't stay in the water more than a couple of minutes. when i came out, i tried to explain to my friend what i had done and accomplished but i failed in every attempt. i had been able to make contact only with those three people, whose language i didn't know, while we were in the water. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:03:56 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Wally Visits Joni Some people have all the luck... Best wishes Wally, ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| Leslie wrote: > A few weeks ago Joni called Wally and asked him to come down and visit > with her for a weekend, so Wally and his best friend, Jim, boarded a big > silver bird and flew down to the city of the fallen angels. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:04:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wally Visits Joni Leslie reported: > Joni was most gracious, sweet and caring. She played her new album for > Wally and Jim, showed them her home, they shared several meals together, > and much more. I'm beyond WOWED! I am so happy for Wally's wonderful weekend with Joni - the ultimate dream come true. I'm sure they had the time of their life. I'm sorry to hear Wally is not feeling well and hope he is better soon. I look forward to his report. 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