From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #482 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, October 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 482 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Almost (Did) Cut Our Hair (absolutely NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Almost (Did) Cut Our Hair (absolutely NJC) [Louis Lynch ] How much, how often? [Jason Maloney ] Dreamland - discuss. ["John Low" ] $ in Mattress - NJC [Lindsay Moon ] Re: HAIR njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jonis Chronological Love Life [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Hoyt Axton & Joni [Leslie Mixon ] NJC: Ann Lamott [Julie Webb ] RE: Does Joni influence your life too much? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Grahaem / Gram NJC [michael ] Re: Cookbook [RomeLife ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:43:32 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Almost (Did) Cut Our Hair (absolutely NJC) Colin says: "My roots are: english, celt, french, african, moorish, spanish, greek and arabic and irish. If I was a dog, I could only eneter the mongrel classes." Mongrels are cool. You'll live longer and you won't need to worry about hip dysplasia. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:01:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Almost (Did) Cut Our Hair (absolutely NJC) > > > Mongrels are cool. of course. > You'll live longer not necessarily > and you won't need to worry about hip > dysplasia. not all pedigrees ahave problems-it doesn't go with the territory. It does go with irresponsible breeders tho. In both my breeds, I belong to gene screening programs. All are tested yearly and we are working on DNA testing. Once we have that test, we can eliminate genetic probs.In Lhasa's, which is not a manufactured breed, in fact one of the oldest known 'breeds', coming from the Hiumalayas and been around about 300 years, we have an eye disease, PRA. This is caused by a recessive gene. All Lhasa's descend from the same 12 or so dogs brought from Tibet back in the 1900's. The dogs there were not 'bred' as such. The genes fro this disease were in the native, not bred for, population. Fortunately most dog breeders/showerrs are responsible. It is those that are not that get the publicity and tar us all. > > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:03:13 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Cassettes Available From: cinn011@attglobal.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:58:19 -0400 I'm still offering to make dubs of what I call Tape Tree #7a. It includes the complete "Joni's Jazz" concert, held in New York City's Central Park. On the third tape is Joni's appearance on "The World Cafe" from a few years ago. You'll need (2) 110 minute cassettes (suggest Maxell XII-S or TDK SA-X) and (1) 120 minute cassette (suggest Maxell or TDK D). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:11:24 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Almost (Did) Cut Our Hair (absolutely NJC) Observation -- it even happens on the Joni Mitchell list... Did you ever notice how quick Irish people are to talk about our Irishness? As soon as the subject comes up, people claim their Erin blood. (Especially those black Irish ones!) Perhaps it's because I do mostly Irish gigs, but so many people HAVE to tell you that their great-great-grand-something came from Ireland. I've done Pennsylvania Dutch fairs, world music festivals, even Jewish weddings, and I don't recall people from other nations doing that at all. What's up with that? Do Irish people really go into greater detail about heritage? Am I imagining things? Or do I just notice it more, like when you buy a new car then notice how many others like it are on the road. Harper Lou, A pretty-much-totally red Irish who can get sunburnt by standing too close to a nightlight and whose hair always has dark roots even though he's never dyed it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:23:13 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Does Joni influence your life too much? Hi all, I'm in a questioning mood, today, I guess. Maybe a new thread... I've read how people have Jonimoments (TM) in supermarkets and such. And concerts and releases are a big central deal. There are so many great themes and hooks in her music that it's easy to look at an ugly new shopping center and sing "paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot..." But does Ms. Mitchell have a dominant influence over your art or music, your outlook on people, the way you handle things, etc.? I noticed it last evening in the recording studio. I'm doing a new album of traditional harp and harpsichord music -- Irish and Renaissance (I sell them at Renaissance festivals). We're talking very traditional, almost classical. The engineer for this project just met me last week. Last night, he stopped me and said. "I think you're putting too many slurs in there. Your singing reminds me of what Joni Mitchell does -- it's too modern sounding." Has this ever happened to any of you artists, poets, musicians, or dreamers out there? Is there a cure? Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:56:23 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Rufus Beer During "Sex Kills", which I have just been playing from the "Misses" CD, there was a moment which reminded me of the recent/current discussion on the sometimes rather unusual pronounciations Joni gives to some words or phrases. "Lawyers haven't been this popular since Rufus Beer slaughtered half of France....." Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:53:48 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: How much, how often? I've been catching up on a backlog of Joni-mail created over the weekend while I was getting my PC sorted out, and a thought/query which struck me today, was "how much Joni do you all listen to?" Obviously, everyone listens to varying amounts.....for some of you, work or families may restrict your available music-listening time during the day. So, the question is perhaps more along the lines of what percentage of your overall time spent listening to music is Joni? And how often do you slap on each Joni CD from her catalogue? I'm guessing Mingus may not fare too well in the latter category :-) Why am I suddenly interested in such things? Well, as thread upon thread of lyric/song/album-related topics or snippets appear on the JMDL, I am continually amazed at the vast wealth of apparently instantly-accessible knowledge so many of you possess on all things Joni. Is it derived from so many years of endless repeated listenings? (for the older albums), or maybe from learning the songs in order to perform/interpret them yourselves? Or do you all have the entire Joni collection on your persons at all times (perhaps in a one-size-fits-all JMDL rucksack?), ready to delve into at the shortest of notice to purloin the neccessary track and/or information? I may have 18 Joni CDs - more than I have of ANY other artist - and listen to Joni more often than almost anyone else, but that's still not frequently enough for me to even know a fraction of the information so effortlessly divulged and shared around. I don't ponder all the intricacies and nuances of her work to the same degree as so many of you do with such eloquence and insight. I am beginning to feel extremely inadequate! Maybe I just spread my listening time too thinly around on too many different artists. So folks, what's the secret here? :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:15:37 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Dreamland - discuss. Jamie wrote: >'Great White Wonder' - why are they talking over a glass of rum? Is >it a >Hemingway allusion? I'm not suggesting that this is what was meant but - wasn't the "Great White Wonder" the first and most famous Dylan bootleg? And, didn't Joni (according to the much maligned Mr. Hinton) first perform "Dreamland" while she was touring with Dylan's Rolling Thunder Revue? John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:26:20 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: $ in Mattress - NJC Way back on Oct. 19's digest, Catherine McKay wrote: "You got that right! It used to be that people put their money in the bank so they wouldn't have to hide it under the mattress, and they'd collect a little interest on it as well. These days, we should probably just go back to the cash-under-the-mattress system ..." Beware of the mattress! I just read an article in People about the actress Elizabeth Ashley who'd just transferred all her mementos to her N.Y. loft in hopes of writing her memoirs, including letters to her from Tennessee Williams, the playwright. Seems she's been a smoker all her life -- are you listening Joni?? -- and although she has been fanatically careful about dousing ashtrays with water, somehow a fire started, all her mementos are lost *and* she had $10,000 in a duffel bag in her closet that is now burned up. Lindsay San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:11:54 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: HAIR njc > << i decided long ago to > wear my hair really short and buy always clothes in the same colors, so that > i wouldn't have to spend more than 30 minutes showering, >> > > Didn't Einstein do that too? GMTA! (great minds think alike) > Terry > Seems to me that Joni once said that Georgia O'Keeffe did something like this in her later years... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:57:49 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonis Chronological Love Life In a message dated 10/27/99 4:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Now Joni herself references her having collected men "like railroad ties" and the reference in Cactus Tree to "a drummer and a dreamer and of course there may be more" indicates that its ok to ask this question. >> Do you mean "Railroad cars" (from Just Like This Train) or "railroad ties" from some other lyric I do not recognize? In either case, I think you may be reading too much into what you think are "clue" to former lovers. I also think that asking someone to compile such a list if patently offensive to myself, though I am sure there are plenty of people on the list who will accuse me of trying to impose my personal tastes and opinions on the rest, even if they personally also find such a request offensive. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:45:25 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Hoyt Axton & Joni I was also sad to learn of the passing of Hoyt Axton. More than twenty years ago, I took this photo of Joni singing with Hoyt - that's (the late) Tim Hardin between them: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BreadETC78.html Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:36:09 -0400 From: Julie Webb Subject: NJC: Ann Lamott Jmdlers, Im just back from hearing a talk by Anne Lamott, author of "Traveling Mercies." If anyone is a fan of her work, please email me. Julie Webb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:38:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Does Joni influence your life too much? the harper asks: > But does Ms. Mitchell have a dominant influence over your art or music, your > outlook on people, the way you handle things, etc.? > believe it or not, i was thinking about the same thing the other day: whether joni has influenced me in any way. and i was very disappointed to realize that she hasn't. as a matter of fact, i don't think that anybody has influenced me at all. this may sound as a very arrogant thing to say but it is actually rather sad because what i'm basically doing is admitting that i'm a very disabled person that lacks the capacity to assimilate experience. i have been touched, turned on so to speak, by many people but not influenced. for instance, joni helped me become aware that it was all right to write songs about myself, but she didn't influence me stylewise. i will find myself quoting joni 100 times a day, but only because she said what had always been on my mind better than i ever could. and if i explore my career decisions or life choices, i come to the same conclusion: i'm always fumbling deaf, dumb and blind: i'm the village idiot, unable to see where i'm going or where i'm coming from. i am doomed to remove the sleeper behind me so that i can put it in front of me and make the rail go a foot forward over and over. i couldn't even go past my first semester in college because of my inability to learn from somebody else. it took all my patience just to be able to finish high school. i can empathize, so i guess i'm not psychotic. but i just won't be influenced. convinced, maybe. influenced, never. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:47:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: How much, how often? i think that the knowledge comes from listening to joni for so many years! you know, 30 years with the same person is a significant experience of cohabitation. of course, reading every interview helps too. and then there's simon! wallyk > Why am I suddenly interested in such things? Well, as thread upon thread > of lyric/song/album-related topics or snippets appear on the JMDL, I am > continually amazed at the vast wealth of apparently instantly-accessible > knowledge so many of you possess on all things Joni. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:01:56 +1000 (EST) From: michael Subject: Grahaem / Gram NJC Hi All I have been wondering for a while about this. Does the personal name Grahaem ,pronounced(grayem) exist in the USA? I have heard the name Gram quite a bit but never heard the name Grahaem used.Has Gram replaced Grahaem or are both names used ? Cheers Michael - -- http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html michaelb@coolgold.com.au Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:14:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Grahaem / Gram NJC i think that they're both alternative pronunciations for the same name. i've heard users of different varieties of english pronounce "graham greene" as "gram green" and "GRAY-am green". Is it a british/american thing? RP speakers definitely say "GRAY-am". wallyk De: michael Para: Enviado: Jueves 28 de Octubre de 1999 03:01 Asunto: Grahaem / Gram NJC > Hi All > I have been wondering for a while about this. > Does the personal name Grahaem ,pronounced(grayem) exist in the USA? > I have heard the name Gram quite a bit but never heard the name Grahaem > used.Has Gram replaced Grahaem or are both names used ? > Cheers > Michael > > > -- > > http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html > michaelb@coolgold.com.au > > > Either we are alone in the universe > > ...........Or we're not............ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:53:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Does Joni influence your life too much? Harper Lou asked: > But does Ms. Mitchell have a dominant influence over your art or music, your > outlook on people, the way you handle things, etc.? Like Wally, I don't feel that Joni has influenced my general outlook or the way I handle things in my life. For me, it was that she always seemed to be saying in her songs what was already in my mind/heart/soul and so I felt an instant and very strong affinity with her. Even some of the stages she went through (as reflected in her albums) seemed to mirror in many ways what I was experiencing at the time. While there were a few people in my life in addition to Joni who inspired me to learn music and to write songs, she was definitely a huge role model in that sense. Because I was fairly young (14) and impressionable when she became well-known, she had a big influence on the way I used my voice when I sang. I don't know if that was ultimately such a good thing - in retrospect, it would probably have been wiser to concentrate on developing my natural singing voice - but I just wanted so badly to sing the songs exactly like her at the time ;-) That's why I get so thrilled and inspired now when I hear people like Marian, Terry, Bryan, Marcel, Michael and others singing and playing Joni's songs in their very own voice and style. It helps get me over that old mental block pattern of thinking it has to sound exactly like her. Now, as to whether the *Joni list* has influenced my life, well...........;-D Kakki NP: New CSNY - Someday Soon - (Ahh...pretty, pretty) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:24:25 +0200 From: RomeLife Subject: Re: Cookbook Sounds good Marian - Well done! Tube ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #482 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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