From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #474 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, October 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 474 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni/JT analogy [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: revisiting classic joni [Louis Lynch ] DED's Defenders [evian ] re: new Joni [Susan McNamara ] Re: now delurking [catman ] Re: Joni/JT analogy [catman ] RE: Joni/JT analogy [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC ["Phil Klein" ] Re: Joni/JT analogy ["Kakki" ] RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... ["Wally Kairuz" ] Honduras Bound (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Country - NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) [catman ] Re: revisiting classic joni ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: revisiting classic joni ["Patricia O'Connor" ] rock master class and the "richard" issue ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Dream List II [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:51:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/JT analogy In a message dated 10/21/99 2:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: << Isn't "Chinese Cafe" partially a "rewrite/update" of "Little Green"? I wasn't talking about her doing some cheesy Bob Muller parody of "Richard"...what if she writes a song about going to Richard's funeral, and how she feels about what's unresolved between them and all the accompanying emotions and abstractions...it could be brilliant! You sell her short, my friend... Bob, too much imagination for my own good I suppose... >> That would be different than merely adding a verse to an old song. Your reply merely reinforces my point that new songs, even ones that follow-up on old themes, would be better than rehashing old ones. Maybe she should add "Don't Rain On Bob's Parade" to her album of standards? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:57:03 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: revisiting classic joni Another aging boomer chimes in with more Joni remakes ... Slight Inclination for Going Why Do Fools Remarry for the Fourth Time You Turn Me On, I'm the Internet Black Crow's Feet Raised on Reverie Grandson of Carey Blue Rest Home Room Not getting any younger, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:06:18 -0600 From: evian Subject: DED's Defenders Anne wrote: > I realize I'm the only JMDLer who actually LIKES DED ;~) > And even though I don't have much more than a "me too", I just have to say again that DED is in fact one of my favorite Joni albums. The thing that I want to add is that WTRF is the album I probably have the biggest problem embracing. I like some tracks, but the ones I really like are the ones everyone else seems to hate -- "Underneath the Streetlights" is simply irrestistable to me. I love love love that song. However, the album as a whole just doesn't rock my world. I used to not care for STAS and Clouds, but I have to say that I really appreciate Clouds now (and "The Gallery" is on my Joni top 10 now). But WTRF.... I can take it or leave it. My predictions for the new Joni.... remember how "What's New" by Linda just took everyone by surprise? Well, hopefully, this new Joni will do the same.... Evian np: Stevie Wonder -- "Love Light in Flight" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:21:09 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: new Joni > My predictions for the new Joni.... remember how "What's New" by >Linda just took everyone by surprise? Well, hopefully, this new Joni >will do the same.... Good comparison,evian! I loved the stuff Linda Ronstadt did with Nelson Riddle. I think what is really going to blow people away about this new album is Joni's voice as instrument. Since Turbulent Indigo her voice has really hit some deep registers and she will be sorted yet again into another category with people like Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday. I can't wait for this album, it's going to be grand!!! :-) It's getting released near my birthday too! (my husband says that Joni always releases albums near Christmas and my birthday to make his job easier!! :-) Takecare, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:30:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: now delurking > > > This took me back to fond memories of listening to Joni in the 70's with my > best friend, Chris, back when we both drove cab in Denver. I've probably > never understood our joint attraction to Joni until I read that post - my > friend being gay, and I angst-ridden. Chris died about a decade ago from > AIDS, and I thought I'd dedicate my de-lurking to him. Every now and then a post evokes scenes in the mind reminiscent of a good movie. This was one. Welcome to the list. > > > And, by the way, I do like Dog Eat Dog. > > Sean McGuire > ZZScotty@aol.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:33:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/JT analogy > Yeah, right, and someone should turn Dvorak's New World Symphony into a rap > song, too. > C'mon. Don't mess around too much with the lyrics. A new arrangement is one > thing, but other than that I think she'd do better to write more new songs > than to "enrich" the older ones. Till I read this I thought this was a light hearted thread. Had no idea at all that you guys were being serious. Thanks for putting me str8, Paul. > > > Paul I - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:50:25 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Joni/JT analogy Hey Colin! I don't think a SOUL on this list is being serious this afternoon (evening/morning/whatever). In fact, I suspect that we'll all be on the news later as a strange phenomenon of people giggling uncontrollably hits the internet like a virus. Anne btw: I'm so glad you've returned to the list. I can see why everyone said it wasn't the same without you! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:47:43 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:57:51 PDT > From: "John Low" > Subject: Calling all TV sluts - NJC > > Don, "Once Upon A Time in the West" is one of my favourites. Don't you think > the opening scenes with Jack Elam and Woody Strode are 'classic' - probably > the best start to a western ever! IMO Jack Elam is one of the most > interesting western 'supporting' actors in the business. I've loved him ever > since I was a kid. I can't remember the first film I saw him in but it was > probably one of those black & white TV westerns in the early 1960s. > > And, Phil, I'm not ashamed either of admiting I love those Clint Eastwood > spag. westerns. In fact I like all his westerns. I was in the supermarket > the other day and couldn't resist a video copy of "Joe Kidd" that was on the > 'sale' shelves. > > I love Westerns! > > John (in Sydney). > Yes, OUATITW is definitely near the top of my Western list too. Henry Fonda as a baddy is so unexpected its chilling. Another of my faves is Bad Day at Black Rock, which, apart from the corny title, is a great movie and a very well observed study of small town xenophobia and racism. Superb performance from Spencer Tracy, and a very Ernest Borgnine-like performance from Ernest Borgnine. I can't think of many others that do it for me - I don't particularly like Shane (the movie I mean, not Warne)... although its meant to be a classic. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:57:40 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:21:12 -0400 > From: "Bill Dollinger" > Subject: revisiting classic joni > > while i would love to hear joni revisit some of her older > material, i am not really sure I would want to hear > orchestra versions of many of her early classics. Some > songs just do not lend themselves at all to the big band > or orchestral arrangements. and some songs just don't > lend themselves to being performed at this point in > joni's life because they reflect on a young girl and > frankly would sound silly coming from a woman in her fifties. > > it is interesting tho that only some of the songs joni wrote > in her early years would seem out of place now, but others from > the same era have great potential to be even stronger songs > with an orchestral or big band arrangement. So while I believe that > the definitive versions of songs like I think I Understand, Roses Blue, > and Conversation have been recorded, I think we are in for > a treat to see some amazing things come out of this revisitation. > Knowing how she is, I'm sure we are in for some surprises.... In a radio interview a while ago, Joni mentioned that someone had done an orchestral arrangement of songs from STAS. Joni said that although the arrangements were beautiful, she couldn't sing in that key any more, but she was thinking of doing it in a kind of Marlene Dietrich sprechgesang voice, and did the first line of Marcie to demonstrate. I wonder what came of that arrangement? Now wouldn't an album of Joni-impersonates-Marlene-singing-Joni be interesting? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:12:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni In a message dated 10/21/99 3:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Grandson of Carey >> How about: Carey, Can I Borrow Your Cane? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:07:38 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni Marlene Deitrich doing Marcie! What a fabulous concept!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Klein To: Cc: Bill Dollinger Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni > > > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:21:12 -0400 > > From: "Bill Dollinger" > > Subject: revisiting classic joni > > > > while i would love to hear joni revisit some of her older > > material, i am not really sure I would want to hear > > orchestra versions of many of her early classics. Some > > songs just do not lend themselves at all to the big band > > or orchestral arrangements. and some songs just don't > > lend themselves to being performed at this point in > > joni's life because they reflect on a young girl and > > frankly would sound silly coming from a woman in her fifties. > > > > it is interesting tho that only some of the songs joni wrote > > in her early years would seem out of place now, but others from > > the same era have great potential to be even stronger songs > > with an orchestral or big band arrangement. So while I believe that > > the definitive versions of songs like I think I Understand, Roses Blue, > > and Conversation have been recorded, I think we are in for > > a treat to see some amazing things come out of this revisitation. > > Knowing how she is, I'm sure we are in for some surprises.... > > In a radio interview a while ago, Joni mentioned that someone had > done an orchestral arrangement of songs from STAS. Joni said that > although the arrangements were beautiful, she couldn't sing in that > key any more, but she was thinking of doing it in a kind of Marlene > Dietrich sprechgesang voice, and did the first line of Marcie to > demonstrate. I wonder what came of that arrangement? Now wouldn't an > album of Joni-impersonates-Marlene-singing-Joni be interesting? > > Phil > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:42:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni/JT analogy Bob wrote: >I'm ready to see her NEW songs celebrating her reunion, her becoming a Grandmother, and of >course, her continuing search of truth, beauty, and love... I can't wait for that one, too. From what we've heard lately, I have the feeling that Joni's wanting to just have fun with music for awhile and after she indulges herself with exploring these musical side trips (which are *completely* valid for an "artiste" of her stature, IMO), she will knock us out with new, original material that will only be enhanced by her work in this latest phase. I'm rolling at the "revisitation" of the old titles. I thought of a few but they are too baaad for the list. How about "Slouching Towards Osteoporosis" ;-) Kakki NP: Jonatha Brooke - Last Innocent Year ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:22:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... i CAN'T cath! i have to make enough money for new orleans, topsfield, milan and the saskatoon thing!!!!! AND i have to go to canada this winter. i can't possibly postpone this dream any longer. so ... mr sandman, get lost! wallyk > Wally, for God's sake, get some sleep! > > >after spending the last 50 HOURS without sleep, wallyk > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:55:13 +0000 From: Michael Paz Subject: Garth and Joni Bill wrote: " I am not a garth brooks fan, I like him as a person tho, but I find it sad and typical that when he branches out with a project that is a creative stretch (the life of chris gaines) and to me the most interesting thing he has done, he pays for it. and the media is all too happy to emphasize the "disappointing" sales." Bill- I am not really a Garth fan either but I have heard songs of his I like. I did hear this record for awhile the other day and I liked what I heard. I plan to go to Tower and give it a full run thru. As fad as the DED discussion that has raised it's ugly head again, I DO NOT HATE THIS ALBUM! It is not my fave, but I do like it as I do ALL Joni. Ethiopia would be one of my faves. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:05:20 +0000 From: Michael Paz Subject: Honduras Bound (NJC) Hello All- I am off to Honduras in the morning till Sunday night. We are having a 30 year anniversary party of our association with Interplast a group of plastic surgeons from Stanford University. This was a group that worked with my mom for all those years in honduras. The have helped over 25,000 children over the years. Coincidently it is also the 3rd year anniversary Sunday of mothers passing and there will be a special mass for her. It will be a bittersweet weekend. I have learned to live with mothers passing and now feel her strength in full force (which I discovered during the hurricane relief last year) I still miss her company and laughter and support for music. I am hoping I get to do some music for the party and share some of my new Joni music with all these folks. I wish you all a great weekend and I will catch up on sunday night after I put the kids to bed. Love Michael P.S. I was thinking of doing Mom From Mars. Whaddaya think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:07:22 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Country - NJC last night while channel surfing i saw a guy i liked on the country video channel named Bryan White. his was the first country song that i wanted to know who was singing it and what it was called. now, i forget what it was called. but it definately was a country song and i definately liked it. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:19:45 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album In a message dated 20/10/99 17:44:31 GMT Daylight Time, hessj@ix.netcom.com writes: << Which reminds me of a story about Laurie Anderson. She was leaving a NYC subway station one day when she came upon two men. They looked at her, and then one of them said to the other, "Oh, look. It's *another* Laurie Anderson clone." >> Which in turn reminds me of a story about Princess Anne, who for my money is easily the best of a bad bunch when it comes to our "wonderful" royal family ("they do so much for tourism, you know") - that's right, I'm not a royalist! Anyway, she was approached at some equestrian event by a couple of women, one of whom plucked up the courage to say "Excuse me, has anyone ever told you you look like Princess Anne?" The reply: "Actually, I think I'm much better looking than her". Classy, n'est-ce pas?? Azeem in London, who has today switched the heating on for the first time, in his admittedly draughty flat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:19:50 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) In a message dated 19/10/99 18:09:10 GMT Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: << Room Service: "Morny. Ruin sorbees" Guest: "Sorry, I thought I dialled room service" Room Service: "Rye... Ruin sorbees... morny! Djewish to odor sunteen??" etc etc >> Well, I laughed so much at this I had tears in my eyes. This clearly means I'm goan tell inna ankle. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:19:47 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) In a message dated 20/10/99 20:00:51 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Several artists in recent years have gone back and re-tooled and re-recorded their old songs in a new style or format - Jimmy Webb, the late Gene Clark, Jim Messina, Crosby with CPR to name a few. In every case, I've been completely blown away by these albums and the gorgeous new layers they have uncovered in the songs. >> I'm certainly looking forward to Joni's new one, especially as she's only done two of her old songs, as I'm a bit ambivalent about people re-recording their own songs. I used to be a big Nanci Griffith fan, and she seems to have lost the plot completely of late, recording a pretty ropey studio album, followed by an awful covers set, including the worst Richard Thompson cover I've ever heard (Wall of Death). So imagine my dismay at seeing that her new album is a set of her old songs accompanied by the London Symphony Orchestra. Oi, Griffith, NO!! You used to be a beautifully literate and observant chronicler of life's little love affairs and small victories and defeats, and you've turned into an irredeemably cheesy and syrupy goo-monger whom the muse has cruelly deserted!! Um, sorry folks, I think I need a holiday... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:22:34 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC Phil wrote: >I don't particularly like Shane (the movie I mean, >not Warne)... although its meant to be a classic And how many people outside the UK and Australasia will get that reference! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:26:41 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) Azeem wrote: > Oi, Griffith, NO!! You used to be a beautifully literate and observant >chronicler of life's little love affairs and small victories and defeats, and >you've turned into an irredeemably cheesy and syrupy goo-monger whom the muse >has cruelly deserted!! Oi, Azeem, NO!!! You've been watching a lot of Harry Enfield - I was going to say "too much Harry Enfield" but there's no such thing! I have to share this skit from his show - my favourite ever, I think. A husband and wife are driving in the countryside and end up down a dead-end lane. He spends 2 or 3 minutes telling her how useless a navigator she is, and how woman can't read road-maps, and she can't cook, etc., etc., etc. (this couple have an ongoing series of skits) and she stares vacantly out the window through his entire tirade. Eventually he stops, and after a pause of about 5 seconds, still gazing out the window she says, very calmly. "You've never made me come." End of skit. I laughed until I cried! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz - -----Original Message----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com To: kakkib@att.net ; wallyb@well.com ; joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, 22 October 1999 11:23 Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) >In a message dated 20/10/99 20:00:51 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: > ><< Several artists in recent years have gone > back and re-tooled and re-recorded their old songs in a new style or > format - Jimmy Webb, the late Gene Clark, Jim Messina, Crosby with CPR to > name a few. In every case, I've been completely blown away by these albums > and the gorgeous new layers they have uncovered in the songs. >> > >I'm certainly looking forward to Joni's new one, especially as she's only >done two of her old songs, as I'm a bit ambivalent about people re-recording >their own songs. I used to be a big Nanci Griffith fan, and she seems to >have lost the plot completely of late, recording a pretty ropey studio album, >followed by an awful covers set, including the worst Richard Thompson cover >I've ever heard (Wall of Death). So imagine my dismay at seeing that her new >album is a set of her old songs accompanied by the London Symphony Orchestra. > >Um, sorry folks, I think I need a holiday... > >Azeem > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:27:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC Well I am in the Uk and i don't get it. perhaps i am too young. Helen M. Adcock wrote: > Phil wrote: > > >I don't particularly like Shane (the movie I mean, > >not Warne)... although its meant to be a classic > > And how many people outside the UK and Australasia will get that reference! > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:42:25 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) > > > I have to share this skit from his show - my favourite ever, I think. A > husband and wife are driving in the countryside and end up down a dead-end > lane. this reminds me that in Kingston, Surrey there is a road called Ann Boleyns Walk(cul-de-sac), which i find very funny but others don't. > Eventually he stops, and after a > pause of about 5 seconds, still gazing out the window she says, very calmly. > "You've never made me come." come again? I don't get it...... > End of skit. I laughed until I cried! > > Helen > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > To: kakkib@att.net ; wallyb@well.com ; > joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, 22 October 1999 11:23 > Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) > > >In a message dated 20/10/99 20:00:51 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net > writes: > > > ><< Several artists in recent years have gone > > back and re-tooled and re-recorded their old songs in a new style or > > format - Jimmy Webb, the late Gene Clark, Jim Messina, Crosby with CPR to > > name a few. In every case, I've been completely blown away by these > albums > > and the gorgeous new layers they have uncovered in the songs. >> > > > >I'm certainly looking forward to Joni's new one, especially as she's only > >done two of her old songs, as I'm a bit ambivalent about people > re-recording > >their own songs. I used to be a big Nanci Griffith fan, and she seems to > >have lost the plot completely of late, recording a pretty ropey studio > album, > >followed by an awful covers set, including the worst Richard Thompson cover > >I've ever heard (Wall of Death). So imagine my dismay at seeing that her > new > >album is a set of her old songs accompanied by the London Symphony > Orchestra. > > > >Um, sorry folks, I think I need a holiday... > > > >Azeem > > - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:47:49 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni Jimmy wrote: > Help Me, I've Fallen and Can't Get Up > Eh?Jira I just have to get in on this thread. How about: Walking Frame On A Slight Incline The Sixty-Seventh World Ray's Grandson's Honda Integra Goodbye Big Mac Hat Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz - -----Original Message----- From: FMYFL@aol.com To: foa@igc.org Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, 22 October 1999 06:09 Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni >Bill writes: > ><< possible remakes: > > The Rearrangement > The "second-to-the-last" time I saw Richard > Song for Sharon's Daughter > >> > >Other possible remakes: > > I Thought I Understood > Sisotowbell Highway > Rusted Tin Angel > For Free, with any Purchase of .... > >Jimmy > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:58:57 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni > > << Big Green >> > > Grown Green (groan) > > Paul I > Mama Green Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:05:09 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni Edith and the Hip-Pin Purge for Going >> The Rearrangement >> The "second-to-the-last" time I saw Richard >> Song for Sharon's Daughter >> I Thought I Understood >> Sisotowbell Highway >> Rusted Tin Angel >> For Free, with any Purchase of .... >> Help Me, I've Fallen and Can't Get Up >> Eh?Jira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:10:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album (VLJC in this one) > "You've never made me come." End of skit. I laughed until I cried! > > Helen ROTFLMAO! Thanks, Helen! Mark in Seattle who's very stressed out at work these days & needs a good laugh! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:08:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: revisiting classic joni << Help Me, I've Fallen and Can't Get Up > Eh?Jira >> Oh I forgot one other revisited song from "Mingus" "Synthetic Furry Sings the Blues" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:17:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Honduras Bound (NJC) michael, have a safe trip full of beautiful music for your mom. love, wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:58:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: rock master class and the "richard" issue thanks to school-of-southern-charm bob, i'm enjoying a tape of joni's rock master class. the beauty, the perfection of joni's piano on ded and impossible dreamer has left me speechless [quite a feat, as you all must know.] i have always liked ded [the song], but i was not very fond of impossible dreamer. in fact, i liked sue mac's cover on a tape of you much better than joni's. now i can hear the song from the right perspective. these songs were meant to be included in a "for the roses" kind of album, if only because the piano figures are so "FTR"!!! i don't mean that joni butchered the songs when she [or larry] tech-ed them up -- and of course, much of the album is irremediably what it is. Still, in hindsight, it would have been so much more innovative to leave 3 stimulants, ded and impossible dreamer alone, in their own category, rather than to assimilate them so much to, say, fiction. i get a very similar feeling when i listen to the hosl demos: they've become MY final version of hosl. [and don't you just LOVE the guitar-and-whistle version of dreamland? it's so much less sombre than the other one. long live kazoos!] as to the last time i saw richard, there were some posts that suggested that this song would be beyond joni's range of experience nowadays. while i agree that that it would beyond her voice range, i think that the song is sufficiently universal to be part of her current repertoire. in fact, joni herself says in the interview part of the rock master show that this is one song that she could sing even in her seventies. [and she's so funnny when she actually sings a bit... sounding like a woman of 90!!!] admittedly, the tape is from 1985; however, why couldn't someone ponder on a 1968 encounter with richard in the year 2000? memories have a way of bouncing back. joni draws a very interesting analogy beweeen singing one's old songs and being cast in certain types of characters. she says that many of her songs were meant to reflect the experiences of an ingenue, but that she would feel very comfortable playing the character of the narrator in the last time i saw richard. isn't joni incredibly gifted! what a great analogy! how everything seems to fall into place after one reads one of her interviews. it helped me understand why i don't feel like singing some her or my songs anymore: it's because i feel miscast!!! this rock master class is a master class indeed. wallyk, taking a break from the unnerving harvard essay questions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:24:36 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's Jazz Title I was beginning to wonder how Joni would shoot herself in the foot ...... again :) when Joni's title came along!! It's 11 words long!! I'm sure this group could come up with 10 great titles!! And shorter to boot!! If we could get early tapes of the album:) maybe we could help name it. "It's all just a dream.." Wally said: > Joni refers to her new album as "A History Of North American Romantic > Love In The Twentieth Century." - -- All the best, Jim ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 01:06:06 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Dream List II In a message dated 10/21/1999 10:37:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Julian51469@aol.com writes: << The Wolf that Lives in Linsey - Michael Hedges The Dry Cleaner from Desmoines - Frank Zappa This Flight Tonight - Jimi Hendrix Cactus Tree - Billie Holliday The Fiddle and the Drum - Woody Guthrie Blue - Janice Joplin Free Man in Paris - Jim Morrison The Jungle Line - Kurt Cobain Paprika Plains - Duke Ellington For the Roses - Laura Nyro > That is a beautiful dream!!!! Especially the Michael Hedges and the good ole Uncle Frank!! I love these guys!! Cat..... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #474 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?