From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #471 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 471 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: News on Joni's Next Album ["Wally Kairuz" ] Michigan State University Library / CSNY book ["Francesco Lucarelli" ] RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Kyle Eastwood ["P. Henry" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Linda Worster ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Don Rowe ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Shadows and Light ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: (NJC) Kids (now) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Shadows and Light [Mark Domyancich ] RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Shadows and Light [Brian Gross ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #463 [Ladygrammy@aol.com] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Linda Worster ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Janet Hess ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [catman ] Don's Phonecall From Joni ... [Don Rowe ] Today in Joni History - October 21 [Today in Joni History ] Joni's Jazz-Midwesterners [Mark Domyancich ] NJC re. songwriting JMDLers- longish [Linda Worster ] Re: Lyrics - poems, etc. (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... ["Kakki" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Don Rowe ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album [Mark Domyancich ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Kakki" ] Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC ["Phil Klein" ] Re: Gregory Benjamin ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Kakki" ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... [Susan McNamara ] Re: News on Joni's Next Album ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... ["Catherine McKay" ] If She Tours [Medric Faulkner ] "Kiss my ass I said ..." -- more Music Biz blues (njc) [Don Rowe ] RE: News on Joni's Next Album [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... ["Bill Dollinger" ] a request - DED songbook [Anne Sandstrom ] Joni Standards II [Susan McNamara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:38:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: News on Joni's Next Album hey wally! awesome news. by the way, how does it feel to pick up the phone and hear JONI?!?!?!?!? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:29:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album A beaming Mr. Breese reported: > On the first day in the studio, Joni told me that she recorded four > tunes with the full 71 piece orchestra; on the second day, four more > songs went down with a 40 piece; and then on the third day, it was > wittled down to a big band ensemble for the final four songs. Yowsa Wowsa Wooo!! > The album could be released as early as Valentines Day (and I do mean > in the year 2000, not 2001). Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaa! > Her latest project has given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this > format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with > an orchestra. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! > I'll have an official conversation with Joni, talking about her new > album, as well as other subjects, up on the pages of JM.COM soon. WHOOHOOO!!!!!!! Kakki....hyperventilating wildly!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:39:24 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: Michigan State University Library / CSNY book Hello! I'm Francesco Lucarelli from Roma and I'm currently working on a book about CSN&Y which will include a section with a concert chronology of all their appearances in each and every combination. Even early bands (Buffalo, Byrds, Hollies) and before. Months ago someone mentioned to me that there's a library resource at the Michigan State University Library, East Lansing, MI, which lists all the musical reviews done each year starting way back in the late 50's to now. If anyone is able to help me with more informations, or - better - if there's anyone working/studying at Michigan State University, I would appreciate a message to: lucarelli.f@flashnet.it Thank you VERY much! Francesco Lucarelli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:44:27 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) Having lived in Southeast Asia most of my life, I thought this was the most hilarious thing I have ever heard LOL Paul. I will print it and send it to my mother. Or is that ' I wiw pring it an seng it to mai madher'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:18:41 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Kyle Eastwood Catherine gushed: for those of you with quicktime... so, give a listen! ;) http://ss.cdnow.com/H/99/02/07469902.mp2 pat NP: (what else?!) Trouble Man... well, at least part of it. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:16:17 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album In a message dated 10/20/1999 3:40:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << how does it feel to pick up the phone and hear JONI?!?!?!?!? >> That's what I was wondering. I would have needed a tape recorder- who could remember all that information while in a state of shock? Great news, though. I can't wait for the release of this album. Thanks Wally! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:41:28 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Wonderful Wally says: << The album could be released as early as Valentines Day >> I can't think of a more romantic Valentines Day present than giving or getting Joni's standards cd!!! Wow!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:52:16 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Wally- Thanks for the news on the new Joni album!!! Very exciting indeed! I'm with everyone else who wonders what it is like to pick up the phone and hear Joni's voice! Makes my heart sing just to hear about it! Looking forward to the official conversation posted soon on JM.COM Thanks again for all you do for us who love Joni. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album > You're My Thrill > At Last > Comes Love > You've Changed > Answer Me, My Love > A Case Of You > Don't Go To Strangers > It All Depends On You > I'll Get By > Stormy Weather > I Wish I Were In Love Again > Both Sides Now > Okay, right now, I'm being totally seriously ... I'm going into my Mick Fleetwood body-drum-pad extended solo ... "OHGOD! HELPME! OHGOD! HELPME!" ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:10:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Kakki on the West Coast said: <> Wally, be careful about giving us SO MUCH wonderful news all at one time...you could set off tremors and start another quake!! :~) <> I predict that this record will be an enormous success, that once again Joni's artistic inspiration will intersect with the CD-buying boomers (and parents of boomers) who will buy it up in droves! << Her latest project has given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with an orchestra.>> One of the amazing things about her is that she REMAINS artistically inspired, despite an apathetic public and lukewarm critics...God bless you, Joni! <> Since it has the Rodgers & Hart chestnut "I Wish I were in Love Again" on it, I can even talk my Pop into buying it... Once again, Wally, thanks for all you do on Joni's (and our) behalf...I'm embarrased to say that I just last night finally got around to reading your interview with David Lahm, and it was just excellent. I love the way your interviews are so unpretentious and just filled with the awe of being a fan. God bless you too! Bob NP: The Doors, "Light My Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Shadows and Light I want to order the Shadows and Light that hass all the original released material restored to it. Does anyone have a recording number for that so I don't get any other condensed version? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:59:27 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: (NJC) Kids (now) Bob suggests, in dealing with unco-operative kids: >I know where you're coming from, what works for me is to say (as an >ultimatum) "Because I'm asking you nicely", indicating that the next >time >you ask may *not* be so nice but also indicating that you >expect >kindness(and cooperation) in return... > I like that! >And if that doesn't work, just sit the punks down and start telling >them >how tough you had it when you were a little girl, and next time >they'll >snap to it! :~) I do that too! (Actually they like it - they can't believe we didn't have Nintendo, and that for Hallowe'en we got more apples, peanuts and raisins than candy!) >NP: John Hall, "October Child", and this one's a milestone cuz it's >the >first time I bought one of Peter Holmstead's "Plugs". John Hall >from >Orleans, used to have long hair and a beard, now he's shaved >top and >bottom...Yikes! I always get confused between John Hall and Darryl Hall (because of John Oats, I guess!) If Peter can plug someone who's not on his label (Nigel Kennedy), then I guess he's allright ;~) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:04:56 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Fantastic news wally! And what a thrill it must be to have her call u (i bet she has u on her speed-dial now...) The song list is incredible. And already she is talking about a followup! And even better to hear that she will be revisiting older tunes like ludwig.... btw, valentines day is not that far away, if it is released by then it would not be a long wait between releases. which leads me to wonder, what was the shortest span between studio releases by joni? bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:30:44 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Shadows and Light Mine is Asylum 704-2. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| > From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" > Reply-To: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT) > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Shadows and Light > > I want to order the Shadows and Light that hass all the original released > material restored to it. Does anyone have a recording number for that so I > don't get any other condensed version? > > Jerry > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:32:20 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc Anne, that was really good - actually, everyone's stuff is really good. There are so many talented people out there that singling any one person out would be difficult. You're right about the "hard to read without music" bit though - poetry is not necessarily lyrics, as lyrics are not necessarily poetry, and sometimes the lyrics may not read too well without the music (especially la-la-la!) :D (P.S., I talk to God too, even though I don't consider myself terribly religious.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:44:00 -0500 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard >>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:26:07 GMT >From: "Catherine McKay" >Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard >I think you're quite right. I'm not totally sure of this, but it seems to >me that the average homophobe is more often male than female. I believe >that men who hate gay men in that irrational way probably do have questions >about their own sexuality that they are afraid to admit. I'm not sure that confusion about one's sexuality are really at the heart of most expressions of homophobia. When I was a kid, we'd throw around those denigrating terms for homosexuals mainly because they were hurtful. Calling a young boy effeminate or homosexual was the worst kind of insult. Insults were used by boys just like chickens establish dominance by pecking each other. I don't think I had any confusion over my sexuality at the time. I was comfortably heterosexual and had no homosexual inclinations. But I think peer pressure had convinced me that being effeminate (which in my small mind meant homosexual) was the worst of all behavioral traits. I think homophobia has more to do with behavioral norms and social dominance that with questions about sexuality. I think you are right that homophobia is more noticeable among males. I suspect that is because males have stronger dominance heirarchies in our culture. I read Monday in Dear Abby that the Center for Disease Control and Prevention determined that 1 in 13 students had been attacked or harrassed because of being suspected of being gay. 4 our 5 of those students were heterosexual. I think this supports the hypothesis that "homophobia" in kids is really more an excuse for social dominance and not always directly related to sexual orientation. >It also seems to me that the type of person who hates "different" people for >no apparent rational reason is often someone who is of both low intelligence >and low self-esteem. I'm not sure that low intelligence contributes to homophobia in youngs boys. I feel it was more related to social pressures and indoctrination at a young age. Seems likely that low self esteem might contribute to using more insults on others though. I don't think I lost my homophobia because I became more intelligent or had more self esteem. I lost it when I really met (out of the closet) homosexuals and realized that the terms of insult I used when I was younger actually referred to real people. Simply being exposed to diversity can help people overcome their fears and prejudices. [and worse yet, i still use some of those terms when i'm REALLY angry at some thing, more often that not angry at some inanimate object like my computer. i blurt them out almost unconsciously, without any thought to what they mean. you know when you say "damn"-- do you really mean to damn someone to hell? not usually, it just slips out because you've fallen into the habit of saying it when you are angry. i'm ashamed to admit that i still blurt out homophobic terms in just that unconscious way, to vent frustration. i'm working on it!] jimbo James A. Murray The Neuroscience Program Asst. Prof., Department of Biology 156 Lewis Science Center University of Central Arkansas Conway, AR 72035 PH: 501-450-5923 FAX: 501-450-5914 EMAIL: jmurray@mail.uca.edu http://www.uca.edu/biology/bio_hp/faculty/jmurray.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Shadows and Light - --- Jerry wrote: > I want to order the Shadows and Light that hass all the original released > material restored to it. Does anyone have a recording number for that so I > don't get any other condensed version? My double cd of S&L (HDCD) is Asylum 704-2 and carries a upc of 7559-60590-2 Later, Brian np: BBC '70 without JT (thank you DW) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:54:00 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Wally B says :"Joni phoned to tell me how excited she is about her just-completed album of standards The album could be released as early as Valentines Day (and I do mean in the year 2000, not 2001)". I believe I have just died and gone to heaven. Well, maybe purgatory - waiting for the album! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:55:41 EDT From: Ladygrammy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #463 Hi everyone, Have not been around for six weeks. My husband and I adopted a little boy named Gregory Benjamin and it has been the most exciting time of my entire life. The high that I have always gotten from listening to Joni Mitchell is echoed by my son. He is absolutely most delicious! Anyway I am the producer who lives in L.A. and owes my entire writing career to Joni. I produce music that still has her influence and plan on writing another batch of songs in November and December when biz slows down a little. At some point I would love to show my music to any of you who would be interested. I sing, I mean really sing and write for other artists who I produce. Looking forward to getting back to reading the message board everyday. Time has been really scarce. I have been producing more since I brought the baby home then any other time in my career. Just goes to show you. Good luck is contagious!! Love Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:11:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album I've been mulling over (for a few minutes!) the casualness with which Wally B ;) says Joni called him (while the rest of us envious mortals turn green and temporarily lose our ability to breathe) and thinking... If someone called you up and said: "Hi, it's Joni Mitchell," would you believe her? I wouldn't. I'd probably say, "Yeah, right. And I'm the Queen of England." Anxiously awaiting the next Joni fix... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:19:15 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album At 04:11 PM 10/20/1999 GMT, Catherine McKay wrote: >I've been mulling over (for a few minutes!) the casualness with which Wally >B ;) says Joni called him (while the rest of us envious mortals turn green >and temporarily lose our ability to breathe) and thinking... > >If someone called you up and said: "Hi, it's Joni Mitchell," would you >believe her? > >I wouldn't. I'd probably say, "Yeah, right. And I'm the Queen of England." ROTFLMAO!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:41:05 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Which reminds me of a story about Laurie Anderson. She was leaving a NYC subway station one day when she came upon two men. They looked at her, and then one of them said to the other, "Oh, look. It's *another* Laurie Anderson clone." At 04:11 PM 10/20/1999 GMT, Catherine wrote: >I've been mulling over (for a few minutes!) the casualness with which Wally >B ;) says Joni called him (while the rest of us envious mortals turn green >and temporarily lose our ability to breathe) and thinking... > >If someone called you up and said: "Hi, it's Joni Mitchell," would you >believe her? > >I wouldn't. I'd probably say, "Yeah, right. And I'm the Queen of England." - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:32:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album > > > I wouldn't. I'd probably say, "Yeah, right. And I'm the Queen of England." in my case, substitute A for THE and I'd be right! > > > Anxiously awaiting the next Joni fix... > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... Not that Joni's going to "phone" me in this lifetime, but if she did, the transcript might go something like: D: Hello? J: Don, hi. Joni Mitchell ... D: Excuse me? J: Joni Mitchell ... D: R-I-I-I-I-ght! Who is this really? J: No seriously, it's me -- you know ... D: Look, you MCI people have tried everything to get me to switch to 5-cent Sundays, but this is a new low! J: No it's really me ... okay I can prove it! D: Alright, what's the shortest song you ever wrote? J: I guess it'd be "Night Ride Home" ... D: LIAR! It's "Smokin' (Empty Try Another)" from 'Dog Eat Dog.' Now I KNOW you're not Joni, becasue Joni Mitchell NEVER lies ... CLICK! ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:02:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 21 1997: That infamous US rag, the National Enquirer, slings it's mud Joni's way in today's issue, saying about the tiff with Jackson Browne "Joni was busy in the recording studio and would not comment publicly on the song. But she told a friend: 'Jackson thinks everything has to do with him. He needs to get life.' The rock heartthrob-who told an interviewer that Mitchell twice attacked him physically-called her song '100 percent wrong' and added: 'She's not really well.'" Join the slugfest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/ne971021.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:05:24 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Joni's Jazz-Midwesterners Hi everyone- Maurice has graciously sent me his copies of Joni's Jazz for me to dub for any Midwesterners who would like a copy. I'll take the first 10 or so to contact me privately. Best, ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| NP-Grateful Dead-12/19/73-He's Gone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:10:25 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: NJC re. songwriting JMDLers- longish Greetings All- WOW! I am really enjoying all the songwriter's lyrics! And the posts discussing songwriting as an art form. I agree with Anne and Catherine that lyrics are hard to read without music but it is interesting to read them sometimes on their own. Here's a couple more from me. A love song and a philosophy song.... YES TO YOU sometimes the believing is so simple and clear visions point the path for me to choose watching as my questions turn circles in my mind and as my heart keeps turning back to you yes to you... we do not begin and end and I will not ask for why or how or when I will just wait for you as the circle turns again I have loved so many different friends each of them- a precious gift to share but I never stopped believing in that special one to help me when the gentleness seemed to be such a heavy load to bear yes to you... we do not begin and end and I will not ask for why or how or when I will just wait for you as the circle turns again I will keep my sight fixed far beyond these words time is simply just the circumstance and those wishful thoughts grow silent- I'm not taken in their dance I am gathering my strength to take another chance yes to you... yes... we do not begin and end and I will not ask for why or how or when I will just wait for you as the circle turns again. LW c1979 ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW I see you inside fighting to get out like there's somewhere else to go and though boundless love surrounds you you're pretending not to know there is no in or out... and nothing to be afraid about you're torn between your trust and doubt you need another point of view... sometimes all you see is darkness all around sometimes all is light sometimes everything you do is wrong trying so hard to be right and you're a victim of some duality choosing one side or another as reality it's just the way you learned to see you need another point of view... there are a billion, billion views to point to the One without a name... living is the Self- beyond the thought... That is the frame... and the Self is playing endless games of Love the essence is the same in all- Love... I see you in your struggle to be free as though something has you bound there's nothing clinging harder than the freedom you have found and you are not affirmed or denied by your efforts to be justified to let go- is the way to find..... LW c1981 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:15:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album That's what they said about TTT, and there was very little hype about it put up by Reprise-all I remember is an ad in Time magazine and those cardboard things they put out for new albums. I've been a fan of Joni's for 5 years now and this is the first album that I am not excited about. > The album could be released as early as Valentines Day (and I do mean > in the year 2000, not 2001). Joni says that the record company is very > pleased with the tracks and has committed to putting a good deal of > promotion behind the album's release. (Wonderful!) Her latest project has > given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this > format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with > an orchestra. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:19:15 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyrics - poems, etc. (NJC) In a message dated 10/20/99 2:31:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Obviously if there's no response, then I'm right in thinking these poems are really bad (and everyone's too nice to say "don't quit your day job"), but if I just get a couple of favourable replies, I'll be thrilled! >> i thought the poems were very nice. i just watched this show last night where they were interviewing an actor or an artist and someone asked her a question about : divine dissatisfaction versus destructive self criticism. the answer was as follows: destructive self criticism says,,,,no one wants to see that cup i made, it looks like shit and im throwing it away. divine dissatisfaction says,,,,no artist is ever really satisfied with their work, but they may say something like...you know, that cup i just made looks really nice....look at it ...i like it....you know....i might have been able to just make a small change here and another little one there and you know it would have looked really really perfect if i had done that.....why don't i make another one and try and twist those things into it and see what happens... next time you are crying for love, ...call me....im very penitent. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:58:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... From Don's short interview with Joni: > D: Alright, what's the shortest song you ever wrote? > > J: I guess it'd be "Night Ride Home" ... > > D: LIAR! It's "Smokin' (Empty Try Another)" from > 'Dog Eat Dog.' Now I KNOW you're not Joni, becasue > Joni Mitchell NEVER lies ... > > CLICK! I've often mused about Joni getting a pseudonymous e-mail address and stepping in here to comment from time to time as just another lister. I have these images of her offering her interpretation of the songs and then being challenged or corrected. Then I picture her rooting around her house saying "oh *&%@, where the @#% is that #$@*ng poems and lyrics book?!" and being forced to re-study and re-learn all her old songs in great detail. heehee ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album - --- Mark Domyancich wrote: I've been a fan > of Joni's for 5 years > now and this is the first album that I am not > excited about. > Heresy! Treason! Sedition! Jezebel! Benedict Arnold! Shenanigans! Liberal! Satan! ... on the other hand, think of how pleasantly surprised you'll be when it's released -- you are going to buy it at least, yes? ;-) ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:39:56 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Well, I'm assuming that I will not like it, since I was a little disappointed with TTT. I am sure I will buy it, it just won't be on my #1 list. I once had an English teacher who said, "When you assume things, you make an ass out of you and me..." ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| > Heresy! Treason! Sedition! Jezebel! Benedict > Arnold! Shenanigans! Liberal! Satan! ... on the > other hand, think of how pleasantly surprised you'll > be when it's released -- you are going to buy it at > least, yes? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:30:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album > Her latest project has given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this > format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with > an orchestra. Now that I'm not screaming and can speak again, I think this was the most exciting part of the latest news. Several artists in recent years have gone back and re-tooled and re-recorded their old songs in a new style or format - Jimmy Webb, the late Gene Clark, Jim Messina, Crosby with CPR to name a few. In every case, I've been completely blown away by these albums and the gorgeous new layers they have uncovered in the songs. Maybe it's a factor of age, more wisdom, life experience or maybe it comes down to what Pat just wrote about divine satisfaction in the very best sense of that term. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:01:21 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC Helen wrote: > OK, who tapes stuff off TV to keep and watch when there's nothing on? Name > your most embarrassing 5 (or 10) tapings. Or if you don't keep them, what > have you loved but been afraid to admit to! Here are mine: > > Blue Lagoon > Hello Again (Shelley Long's short-lived attempt at the "big screen") > Short Circuit (No. 5 is alive - Steve Guttenberg AND Ally Sheedy!) > St. Elmo's Fire (the ultimate "brat-pack" movie) > Terminator 1 > Terminator 2 > Dante's Peak > Tango and Cash (no comment!) > The Last Action Hero > And all 5 Planet of the Apes movies - a Reader's Digest special - hey, did I > mention I'm a sucker for mail-order too? > OK, how about this lot: Coronation Street (omnibus edition) Eastenders (ditto) Sport I can't catch live, e.g. the football, cricket, rugby, ah yes,... such as England v AB's (ouch!) Teletubbies - that's for the kids. No, really, it is.... The Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns. And proud of it. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Joni musings ... Kakki musingly writes: > I've often mused about Joni getting a pseudonymous > e-mail address and > stepping in here to comment from time to time as > just another lister. I > have these images of her offering her interpretation > of the songs and then > being challenged or corrected. Then I picture her > rooting around her house > saying "oh *&%@, where the @#% is that #$@*ng poems > and lyrics book?!" and > being forced to re-study and re-learn all her old > songs in great detail. By way of a related issue ... a friend of mine who is a big Tommy Shaw fan went to see him play an acoustic set at a local Borders bookstore. When asked for requests, Tommy couldn't remember some of the words to his own songs, so she cheerfully sang them for him. We could so easily do the same for Joni, I'm thinking! Don Rowe ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:08:58 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Gregory Benjamin >Have not been around for six weeks. My husband and I adopted a >little boy >named Gregory Benjamin and it has been the most exciting >time of my entire >life. The high that I have always gotten from >listening to Joni Mitchell >is echoed by my son. He is absolutely >most delicious! Congratulations! What wonderful news! You must be ecstatic! Best wishes to all of you! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Calling all TV sluts - NJC - --- Phil Klein proudly admits to taping: > The Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns. And proud of > it. When AMC recently played "Once Upon A Time In The West", my VCR was locked and loaded. Though not Eastwood, it's one of my favorite westerns of all time, spaghetti or otherwise! ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:44:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album > Maybe it's a factor of age, more wisdom, life experience or maybe it comes down to what > Pat just wrote about divine satisfaction in the very best sense of that term. Oops, I meant to type "divine dissatisfaction." Maybe a Freudian slip because I'm so divinely satisfied about hearing about the new album ;-) Kakki, home sick from too much dust kicked up from Santa Anas and earthquakes and going to take more pills now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:13:07 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album >Which reminds me of a story about Laurie Anderson. She was leaving a >NYC >subway station one day when she came upon two men. They looked >at her, and >then one of them said to the other, "Oh, look. It's >*another* Laurie >Anderson clone." > ROTFL! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:21:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... Kakki muses "...about Joni getting a pseudonymous e-mail address and stepping in here to comment from time to time as just another lister. I have these images of her offering her interpretation of the songs and then being challenged or corrected. Then I picture her rooting around her house saying "oh *&%@, where the @#% is that #$@*ng poems and lyrics book?!" and being forced to re-study and re-learn all her old songs in great detail. heehee ;-)" Or maybe she'd say what William Shatner said to the Trekkies: "Get a life!" (heh-heh-heh.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:57:32 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... Catherine wrote: <> I think you're right, Catherine. I recently heard a story about Julia Roberts, who was recently asked by a woman at a party, "So, what is it you do for a living?" JR was incredibly impressed, saying, "Now there's someone with a life!" Anne NP: The Sire of Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:06:36 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... Sorry, Catherine... But judging from what I see on the list, I think the majority of us have great lives. This list contains accomplished musicians, recognized business professionals, caring humanitarians, and some of the most creative minds I've encountered in one place. The fact that we argue semantics or run a long tangent off a single line from a Joni Mitchell song puts us in the same category as all the other philosophers and scholars through the ages. We are discussing a body of work from one of the most gifted writers, musicians and artists of our era, after all. We have lives, and they are growing richer every day. Would that the work of other artists stimulate so much human thought... Or rather, would that more people would be drawn to entertainment and culture that provoke even a minuscule fragment of thought. Just think, instead of discussing the nuances of Blue, we could be packing down beer in front of the WWF feature on TV, or pasting NASCAR bumper stickers on our cars, or ... The Renaissance is not over, it has just become more selective. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:47:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... Louis, You just put completely into words everything I have ever felt about participating in this list from the beginning. I could never meet and have the opportunity to converse with such an array of incredible people in my "real life". Thank you. Kakki, crawling out the door to her job now > We have lives, and they are growing richer every day. Would that the work > of other artists stimulate so much human thought... Or rather, would that > more people would be drawn to entertainment and culture that provoke even a > minuscule fragment of thought. > > Just think, instead of discussing the nuances of Blue, we could be packing > down beer in front of the WWF feature on TV, or pasting NASCAR bumper > stickers on our cars, or ... > > The Renaissance is not over, it has just become more selective. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:17:28 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... And we're so damn nice too!!! Thanks for the self-esteem boost, Lou!!! :-) not that I objected to Catherine's post either. I'm a Brocktoonish* Joni FAN...Turn me on high, I'll blow you over with how much I love Joni!! :-) take care, Sue *obscure SNL skit about the Mr. Belvedere fan club. > >The Renaissance is not over, it has just become more selective. > >Harper Lou ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:17:28 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: News on Joni's Next Album Wally B's exciting (to say the least!!!) news of Joni's new CD, tells us: "Her latest project has given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with an orchestra." And Kakki responds: "I think this was the most exciting part of the latest news. Several artists in recent years have gone back and re-tooled and re-recorded their old songs in a new style or format - Jimmy Webb, the late Gene Clark, Jim Messina, Crosby with CPR to name a few. In every case, I've been completely blown away by these albums and the gorgeous new layers they have uncovered in the songs. Maybe it's a factor of age, more wisdom, life experience or maybe it comes down to what Pat just wrote about divine satisfaction in the very best sense of that term." This would be fabulous. There's something really neat about an artist going back to their old stuff, many years later, with a new approach as a more mature person. I know that Joni has said before that she wouldn't want to go back and do old stuff, but that was only a few years after the fact. When you go back to your youthful self some 20-25 years on, it takes on a whole new perspective. You see yourself almost as a different person - lends new meaning to "the child is father to the man" (or maybe it's the other way around here). I think of older artists like Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennett, or, one of my faves, Rosemary Clooney's version of "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" on the CD for "Midnight in the garden of good and evil". Somehow hearing an older person sing this song gives it a totally different meaning. Kind of completes a circle. Here's one old fool who hopes it really does happen. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:28:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... >Sorry, Catherine... > >But judging from what I see on the list, I think the majority of us >have >great lives. Help! I hope you don't think I was serious! >The fact that we argue semantics or run a long tangent off a single >line >from a Joni Mitchell song puts us in the same category as all >the other >philosophers and scholars through the ages. I sure like to think so! >We have lives, and they are growing richer every day. Would that >the work >of other artists stimulate so much human thought... Or >rather, would that >more people would be drawn to entertainment and >culture that provoke even >a minuscule fragment of thought. That's why I come here. And what a supportive group of people. (This is not a joke, OK?) People are so nice here. >Just think, instead of discussing the nuances of Blue, we could be >packing >down beer in front of the WWF feature on TV, or pasting >NASCAR bumper >stickers on our cars, or ... So, you have met my brother-in-law... :-D Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: If She Tours I just got my credit cards paid from the '98 shows so I'm ready to roll again. Medric ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Kiss my ass I said ..." -- more Music Biz blues (njc) From the NY Times profile of Pat Quigley, Pres. of Capitol Nashville and boy genius behind Garth's alter ego: Spending time with Quigley, one realizes that one of the most repeated criticisms about him is true: He is a marketing man, not a music man. With a background of selling everything from skis to watches to beer, he is representative of a new breed of executive in the recording industry, where the music men -- the former songwriters and producers who have dominated the business -- are being replaced by international businessmen who could just as easily be selling Internet stocks. Quigley often refers to Capitol Nashville not as a record label but as a marketing company. He is not a executive who uses his ears, but one who uses his eyes, analyzing audience research statistics and sales charts. ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:01:46 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... > Just think, instead of discussing the nuances of Blue, we could be packing > down beer in front of the WWF feature on TV, or pasting NASCAR bumper > stickers on our cars, or ... Waiting backstage to come out on Jerry Springer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:59:44 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: News on Joni's Next Album OK, so here's the CD I'd like to see Joni make (of course, I'll change my mind a dozen times...): Song for Sharon Little Green Woman of Heart and Mind Just Like this Train The Last Time I Saw Richard or Hejira Judgement of the Moon and Stars The Hissing of Summer Lawns Banquet or The Arrangement The Three Great Stimulants Dog Eat Dog or Borderline Turbulent Indigo Shadows and Light Anne p.s. I'm assuming she wouldn't include anything from TTT - not even sure if she'd include anything from TI... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:02:50 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Don's Phonecall From Joni ... not too obscure, I remember that one Tom Hanks, wasn't it? brocktoon lives!! bill > > > *obscure SNL skit about the Mr. Belvedere fan club. > > > > >The Renaissance is not over, it has just become more selective. > > > >Harper Lou > > > ____________________ > /____________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net > > "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:04:16 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: a request - DED songbook I realize I'm the only JMDLer who actually LIKES DED ;~) but I'm wondering if anyone has the DED songbook? (I could swear I had it, but I probably lent it to someone...) If so, and if you wouldn't mind xeroxing a few pages, could you email me privately? Thanks. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:08:39 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Joni Standards II If Joni does remakes of her old songs with an orchestra like on the upcoming CD, I would love to hear some of the old piano songs she's ditched since the VG-8. Here are some of my favorites: RAINY NIGHT HOUSE BANQUET BLONDE IN THE BLEACHERS BLUE CAR ON THE HILL DOWN TO YOU SHADES OF SCARLETT CONQUERING BOHO DANCE CHINESE CAFE TWO GREY ROOMS IMPOSSIBLE DREAMER ahh the bliss... ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #471 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?