From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 469 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Providence - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Calling all TV sluts - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: VG-8 Problems Solved (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: NJC Jesse [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: being joni for halloween ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni On SDS? NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Jesse ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of)....(njc) ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc [Don Rowe ] RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- -- njc [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: NJC Jesse [waytoblu@mindspring.com] HOSL Demos [Jamie Zubairi ] Ruin Sorbees (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) [David Wright ] RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? ["Kakki" ] RE: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #41 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Amelia Earhart ["John Low" ] Re: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Fw: Henrys Gallery ["Kakki" ] Re: Henrys Gallery [Mark Domyancich ] Yaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!(NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Lyrics - poems, etc. (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:23:58 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Providence - NJC Hi folks I've just seen the first episode of this series (Providence) and wondered if anyone has any opinions. It's replaced one of my favourite shows - "SeaChange" - an Australian series which I absolutely loved. SeaChange was very funny, without trying to be, and had great characters. It also stars one of my favourite actresses - Sigrid Thornton. Anyway I was mildly encouraged by several things on this new show - (ignoring the slightly soppy storyline) (a) One Fine Day sung by (I think) Sara McLaughlan and Simon and Garfunkel on the soundtrack, and (b) a huge poster of the promo for Joni's "Hits" in one of the bedrooms! One of the set designers/props people obviously has superb taste! Anyway, mainly what I want to know is - should I persevere with the series, given that I'll probably get hooked fairly early. I need someone to tell me what to do, since I am more of a TV than music slut - if that's possible, and have no brain where TV is concerned! Hey, I've got Blue Lagoon (Brooke Shields/Christopher Atkins) on video. What more do I need to say! Actually that's not a bad thread - I'll start post another message for that one. So, do I watch Providence or not? Helen ______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:30:58 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Calling all TV sluts - NJC OK, who tapes stuff off TV to keep and watch when there's nothing on? Name your most embarrassing 5 (or 10) tapings. Or if you don't keep them, what have you loved but been afraid to admit to! Here are mine: Blue Lagoon Hello Again (Shelley Long's short-lived attempt at the "big screen") Short Circuit (No. 5 is alive - Steve Guttenberg AND Ally Sheedy!) St. Elmo's Fire (the ultimate "brat-pack" movie) Terminator 1 Terminator 2 Dante's Peak Tango and Cash (no comment!) The Last Action Hero And all 5 Planet of the Apes movies - a Reader's Digest special - hey, did I mention I'm a sucker for mail-order too? Pretty pathetic really! I seem to have an affinity with really "bad" action movies. I could have added more to the list, like G.I. Jane or Twister (love these movies)! I was going to list "Steel Magnolias" but Olympia Dukakis, Shirley MacLaine and Darryl Hannah are so wonderful, I couldn't! Despite Julia Roberts! Anyway, you can tell I'm a little bored tonight, so I won't be surprised if this thread dies before it even starts! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:50:55 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: VG-8 Problems Solved (NJC) Michael, while it is true that I have helped solve many of the problems inherent in the VG-8 its many mysteries remain unsolved. However you will know you have a happy Zeekletrob when it begins to throb and moan in the case. Few people realize that the VG-8 was brought to this planet by visiting aliens in 10,000 BC and given to the Egyptians who kept it hidden in the Arc of the Covenant until it was discovered by Indiana Jones.. It not only enabled them to build the pyramids but enabled them to play the solo to "Cant Explain" backwards with just the tip of their nose; a daunting task in those days. If you have any more problems feel free to contact me since I possess the only remaining copy of the Ancient Book Of The Vee Gee. Looking forward to the New Orleans bash already. "VG-VG-VG-8 we just gonna celebrate". Says Marcel tossing his pom poms.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:41:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: NJC Jesse Patti recalls and recoils: <> Hard to believe that Carly sings that love song about him and will always cut fresh flowers for him ...:~D Bob NP: XTC, "Easter Theatre" (Demo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:53:56 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard Kakki wrote: "Another aspect or element that I've always found scary is "mob mentality" where the pack gives each other a perceived sense of safety in numbers and justification to them spur on to acting out their irrational hatred." That's one the scariest things to me - sometimes people who wouldn't consider doing something on their own go along with the mob. I know what you're saying about self-esteem as psychobabble, but it's like everything else that becomes "trendy" - it's all in how it's taught. I hope I'm raising my kids to think for themselves and not do things just because everyone else is (so far, I think we've succeeded.) Remember the old line your parents used to feed you: "Well, if so-and-so jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" I've said it a few times myself! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:16:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: being joni for halloween Catman suggests to Ryan that for his Hallowe'en Joni costume, he "Try the outfit she wore for that photo on FTR. You won't be forgotten." Try faking THAT! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:32:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni On SDS? NJC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > There's a CD compatible better-sounding disk called DSD. Sony is now > selling a super-premium DSD player for $5,000 American Dollars. Prices > will come down as future models are developed. No Joni content yet. AND DVD audio. I heard both at a recent AV show and I liked the DVD audio better. Purists will go for the DSD, though. Jerry np: Joni's Jazz, as I tape away for fellow listers. Go Chaka! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 06:38:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Jesse > > > Patti recalls and recoils: > > < crawl. Sorry. Bad Jesse memories.>> > And Bob quips: > Hard to believe that Carly sings that love song about him and will always > cut fresh flowers for him ...:~D Not to mention Janis Ian begging him to come home cause there's a hole in her bed! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:40:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Marcel said: "Whats interesting to me is the the real loan sharks in the world today are the banks with their fees, but Joni doesnt mention them." You got that right! It used to be that people put their money in the bank so they wouldn't have to hide it under the mattress, and they'd collect a little interest on it as well. These days, we should probably just go back to the cash-under-the-mattress system, since the banks charge you more in fees than you could possibly ever make off the paltry interest they pay - unless, of course, you have huge amounts of money invested in the bank. They're not interested in little consumer/investors anymore. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:09:09 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of)....(njc) My personal favorite bank rip-off is the 3 dollar fee for a computer generated incomplete list from the ATM. This costs them oh about .001 cents to produce. Other rip-offs are the phone companies .95 for information which used to be free. The phone companies even charge now for out of area and out of state numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:14:22 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard In a message dated 10/19/99 6:06:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << I hope I'm raising my kids to think for themselves and not do things just because everyone else is (so far, I think we've succeeded.) Remember the old line your parents used to feed you: "Well, if so-and-so jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" I've said it a few times myself! >> Make that a "me, too!" A couple of things about self-esteem, mob mentality, being kind and thinking for one's self: After bumbling through my own life and now being responsible for three other lives, (my children, not the dust bunnies under my bed), I really believe that in order to raise children with healthy egos and strong self esteems, you need to actively teach that. Not only by example, but with words. The same way that a parent might teach a teenaged driver how to change a tire, the same way that a parent might teach a child how to hit a baseball, the same way that a parent might teach a child to not wear white shoes after Labor Day. All too often, people think that self-esteem and other related development just...happens. Well, enough of it does to fool people, but so much of it needs to be guided. And guided with clear and explicit discussions so children understand. I hated it when my parents said: "because I said so." And now I take great pains to tell my kids why I won't let Mary Caitlyn wear make up at 9 or why my son can't have a machete at 7, or why my oldest needs to learn how to talk comfortably about her sexuality. And I also tell them that it is their responsibility to call me on things. To disagree with me, to challenge my opinion. Respectfully, of course, but that's all part of the learning curve. These are the tools that help keep mob mentality at bay. In my humble and often bumbling opinion, that is. MG - hanging out with a sick kid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:38:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard MG said: <> Right on, MG! I was blessed with good parents, but I too avoid the "because I said so" trap. Nathan has yet in his 13 years to hear me say that as well as "shut up". He HAS, however, heard me say "I was wrong", "I'm sorry", "That's a good question, I don't know the answer", and of course, "I love you" so many times it sounds like "good morning" to him. My old man (I want to say "is a singer in the park...) was a good Dad, but was typically preoccupied a lot and I can't remember him EVER telling me he loved me...to this day, when we talk on the phone, I'll him I love him, and the best he can utter is "OK", or if he's really bowled over with emotion, "Me too"... <> Another great point...like I said, Nate knows I'm not perfect, I remind him daily, and he's not afraid to question me and force me to think something through more thoroughly than I sometimes do...How much more efficient could our workplaces be if we were like children and kept asking "Why" when we have to do something that makes no sense to us? And coincidentally, the song playing when I started was "Teach Your Children"...now it's "Deja Vu"... Bob NP: I already said ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:43:41 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc I am really enjoying reading the lyrics that have been posted, and they leave me very curious as to the music that accompanies these songs. Cathy, the L.A. lyrics are beautifully crafted, have you recorded them? don rowe - i loved your mp3's - u should post some lyrics here. any other jmdlers have mp3's? anyway, here's a couple more of my lyrics i wanted to share if u care. bill Bobby's March It didn't make the papers, it was in no magazine. No milk carton held the face, just another missing teen. But Bobby had a dog, and Bobby liked to read, And Bobby always ran from kids who liked to see him bleed. This is Bobby's march, this is Bobby's song. Bobby was a good kid, but he didn't stick around. They put him through hell, no one treated him well. Nothing left to say by the time he went away. When he'd go home from school, he'd have to watch his back For ambush fights and gangs that might be looking to attack. He didn't have the strength, he didn't have the speed. He told his teachers of the threats, they didn't pay him any heed. This is Bobby's march, this is Bobby's song. Bobby was a good kid, but he didn't stick around. They put him through hell, no one treated him well. Nothing left to say by the time he went away. Everyone in town knew the kid was gay And these good folks were none too sad to see him run away. It may not take a village, but it takes a little sense. He was scared and no one cared to come to his defense. This is Bobby's march, this is Bobby's song. Bobby was a good kid, but he didn't stick around. They put him through hell, no one treated him well. There was nothing left to say by the time he went away. Calvin Knows Calvin knows Calvin knows What the elite secrete And where the track marks show. Cynical fashion grows You can't tell the difference, no. Between a shooting gallery And a runway show. But Calvin knows Calvin knows The girls who learn to purge Get to model this years clothes. North (The Sound of Geese) This is the story of Richard and Sharon, Married twenty years, past the point of caring. Sitting on the porch when the working day is through. Fan the flames of the smoky barbecue. They've been too long on Long Island. And he's no longer moved by the honking as the geese fly by, Or the colors that are painted across the autumn sky. He says "darlin, after all this time with you, I get to thinking we need something new." So they went north. They went north. This is the story of Susan and Russell, She was made of money, he was made of muscle. But physical perfection only lasts so long. Time has taken its toll, now he's not so strong. They've grown apart in their apartment. He can't stand the honking of the traffic as it goes by, And he can't find the colors of autumn in his sweetheart's eyes. He says "darlin, after all this time with you, I get to thinking we need something new." So they went north. They went north. This is the story of Michael and Sonya, On the road again, he tells her "I'll be sure and phone ya." She packs his shirts and shoes and his electric razor. Every night alone, but it doesn't phase her. There's not much love left in their loveseat. He flies above the flocks of geese, and he wonders why He's not moved by the colors in the autumn sky. He says "darlin, after all this time with you, I get to thinking we need something new." So they went north. They went north. This is the story of the Alaskan Queen, A luxury ship, the biggest they'd ever seen. Carried to another world for a week in May, Through the marbled ice of Glacier Bay. They put the life back in their love life. And they didn't feel the cold as they moved along the icy shores, Cause the fires were burning bright behind the cabin doors. Saying "darlin, I'm still in love with you, And I'm kind of thinking we've found something new." When they went north. They went north. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:07:27 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of)....(njc) Sorry, but I can top that. The most outrageous phone company ripoff, to me, is the fact that they charge you to not have your number listed. And even more outrageous is that they charge you this every month! ATMs and phone companies are laying America to waste... ;-) bill Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:09 AM Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of)....(njc) > My personal favorite bank rip-off is the 3 dollar fee for a computer > generated incomplete list from the ATM. This costs them oh about .001 cents > to produce. Other rip-offs are the phone companies .95 for information which > used to be free. The phone companies even charge now for out of area and out > of state numbers. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:06:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Jesse and both songs are good tho Janis' song is really really sad. Mark or Travis wrote: > > > > > > Patti recalls and recoils: > > > > < skin > > crawl. Sorry. Bad Jesse memories.>> > > > And Bob quips: > > > Hard to believe that Carly sings that love song about him and will > always > > cut fresh flowers for him ...:~D > > Not to mention Janis Ian begging him to come home cause there's a hole > in her bed! > > Mark in Seattle - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc Bill -- Wow, every one of these lyrics are superb ... I really dig "North (the sound of geese"). Well since we're all being so bold, I'll play. This one's a true story about a patient I met and worked with on the U. Penn psych ward in college. Just recently found out I'd lived long enough to sort it out into a song: The Ballad of Ray Bouche Ward fifteen, room seven-oh-seven The hotel suite that's been reserved For Ray so far from heaven Some think he's a madman Some say he's a sage Others bear the bruises Of his silent, staring rage They jacked Ray full of thorazine Trussed and bound him head to toe How can such treatment help this man? The way they say, as if they know You smoke says Ray, you're smoky Drugs and pills is all you do You sit, you stand, you don't know why Whatever gets you through You smoke says Ray, you're smoky You threw me on the shelf You read your books, you talk and talk You must believe yourself In madness lies a clarity That slips the tender grasp It cuts through all pretension Making memories that last That’s the last they heard from Ray Piercing phrases that he spoke They’ll not forget his only words The feelings they evoked That somewhere in his tortured shell Beneath the mismatched wires Lay trapped a caring, feeling soul With fears, hopes and desires You smoke says Ray, you're smoky Drugs and pills is all you do You sit, you stand, you don't know why Whatever gets you through You smoke says Ray, you're smoky You threw me on the shelf You read your books, you talk and talk You must believe yourself That’s what Ray told his doctors Those cool, considerate men But they tossed it off as raving Caused by some faulty regimen Inside him drugs are fighting One to bind him one to free One to raise his inhibitions One to calm anxiety Today another lifelong guest Resides in seven-oh-seven Ray’s quarters are much smaller But closer now, to heaven In a vast and lonely numbered place No stone or flowers on the grave Ray’s epitaph lives in the minds Of all who heard him say … You smoke, you're smoky Drugs and pills is all you do You sit, you stand, you don't know why Whatever gets you through You smoke says Ray, you're smoky You threw me on the shelf You read your books, you talk and talk You must believe yourself ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:09:16 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- longish -- njc Hi all. Even though I originally asked the question, I'm hesitant to post lyrics here (it's hard to read lyrics without music and I'm frankly thinking that my music's not as good as I often hope it is) BUT having said that, this one seemed appropriate (an odd one, since I'm not religious...) Anne Talk to God All my hand-held truths broke down A mile or two ago Now I can't get around This wild and foreign road I looked to the orient To find some resolution Tried to be penitent And prayed for absolution I talk to God Or anyone who'll listen Now here I am Filling up your weary ears With my cheap and eager wisdom Magicians and physicians Promise fast relief To this poor mad musician And her ever-present grief Electric evangelists Are praying for my pennies They're sideshow exhibitionists In a world that has too many The talk to God Or anyone who'll listen Now here I am Filling up your weary ears With my cheap and eager wisdom In the fever of creation I'm impervious and proud Til the stillness of stagnation Bows my vain head down I'm only looking for a voice To give my weak beliefs The power of conviction And the grace of sacred speech To talk to God Or anyone who'll listen Now here I am Filling up your weary ears With my cheap and eager wisdom Talk to God... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that "Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- or I just working overtime on the semantics? ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:21:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers?-- -- njc <> Anne, great stuff, fact is, I'm in awe of the talent I'm seeing with EVERYTHING that's been posted...this particular bit I reference above couldn't help but remind me of Joni's "So I send up my prayer, wondering where it had to go, with heaven full of astronauts, and the Lord on death row..." Thanks again to all who've displayed their talent! Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "Last Night of the World" (from his new one, which I love after one-and-a-half listens) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:37:29 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: NJC Jesse I went to see CS&N once in Roanoke,Virginia sometime in either 88 or 89 and David Crosby began making some cracks about Jesse Helms until he realized he wasn't in North Carolina. I think Graham tipped him off. Victor NP: James Taylor-New Moon Shine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:41:35 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: HOSL Demos Dear List How did whoever get their hands on the HOSL demos? It is a truly wonderful thing and I would like to thank them. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:06:39 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) Apparently this was nominated "best email of 1997" - A telephone conversation between a hotel guest and room service, at a hotel in Asia, which was recorded and published in the Far East Economic Review Room Service: "Morny. Ruin sorbees" Guest: "Sorry, I thought I dialled room service" Room Service: "Rye... Ruin sorbees... morny! Djewish to odor sunteen??" Guest: "Uh..yes..I'd like some bacon and eggs" Room Service: "Ow July den?" Guest: "What??" Room Service: "Ow July den?... pry, boy, pooch?" Guest: "Oh, the eggs! How do I like them? Sorry, scrambled please." Room Service: "Ow July dee bayhcem... crease?" Guest: "Crisp will be fine" Room Service: "Hokay. An San tos?" Guest: "What?" Room Service: "San tos. July San tos?" Guest: "I don't think so" Room Service: "No? Judo one toes??" Guest: "I feel really bad about this, but I don't know what 'judo one toes' means." Room Service: "Toes! toes!... why djew Don Juan toes? Ow bow singlish mopping we bother?" Guest: "English muffin!! I've got it! You were saying "Toast". Fine. Yes, an English muffin will be fine." Room Service: "We bother?" Guest: "No... just put the bother on the side." Room Service: "Wad?" Guest: "I mean butter... just put it on the side." Room Service: "Copy?" Guest: "Sorry?" Room Service: "Copy...tea...mill?" Guest: "Yes. Coffee please, and that's all." Room Service: "One Minnie. Ass ruin torino fee, strangle ache, crease baychem, tossy singlish mopping we bother honey sigh, and copy... rye??" Guest: "Whatever you say" Room Service: "Tendjewberrymud" Guest: "You're welcome" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:24:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) LOL!!! i know it must be sooooooo politically incorrect to laugh at this joke, but Tendjewberrymud paul! what a great way to start my day. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) > Room Service: "Morny. Ruin sorbees" [snip] Gee, foreigners talk funny, don't they? - --David P.S. Isn't "Tendjewberrymud" a Laura Nyro album title? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:33:45 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) I laughed probably way too much at this - very funny! In college, I worked as a receptionist for a downtown company. One gentleman called about once a week. He had a very thick southern accent (oh, hi Bob... ;~) ) and I would ask him to please spell his last name, which sounded like it was 3 syllables long. And every week, he'd spell it, with less patience every time... "It's H - I - L - L." ;-) anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:32:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) I tried to respond to this earlier, but it seems our server crashed. You mentioned: "when lines come to me that never get used cos they don't get in my head as I'm writing a song, they'll just flash into my brain on a drive, and I write them down..." Even worse, is when they flash into your brain and you don't have anything to write 'em down with! You then said: "some of mine are (and these really ARE silly) "I cried in the shower my camouflaged tears" and "the tallest trees were powerlines" and "the diamonds of broken bottles bounce of my high beams, road-side jewellery stores of the dark" Actually, I like the trees/powerlines thing - evokes a bleak sort of landscape - I think that could work. My one brush with fame was when, over 20 years ago when I was 20, 21 or so, I had a few poems published in a collection of poetry that was meant to represent *new* Canadian poets. As part of its launch, we poets (haha!) were invited to do a reading at St Lawrence Centre in Toronto. Many of the, uh, poets, were genuinely nice people, but others were just so affected - you know, the kind that smoke French cigarettes and go around with that "I am an artiste" kind of air. They even get their photos taken through a gauzy filmy thing to make them look more artsy and they have these deep, serious looks on their faces. I just can't get into that. I don't take myself that seriously (I hope!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:16:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? Don wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... > but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally > titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many > ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that > "Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- > or I just working overtime on the semantics? That's always been my impression and interpretation on both counts. Recently while going back through Joni's first songbook I found the earliest reference to indigo in the first verse of the song Moon in the Mirror from 1966 (a precursor to Moon at the Window? ;-) Pat Henry, have you ever heard her sing this one? Moon in the mirror Won't you stay awhile tonight? All things of beauty Are too soon out of sight I know it's a selfish plea You must light the hearts of more than me There's a girl at her window Now she's trying to catch your eye But oh, pretty stranger You must keep on passing by Moon in the mirror, I don't know you Just a reflection of kisses And whispers and indigo skies Moon in the mirror, look below you Moon's looking back and they're loving And longing and telling no lies Moon in the mirror And then there is the second verse of Melody in Your Name from 1967 (which has the most gorgeous melody) where the blue/moon thing is happening again ;-) Night now comes much bluer than it used to be The pink nun sings much sadder than before She sings sometimes things aren't what they seem to be Like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor Love is no more, it's ended Paper and pins won't mend it Even the moon pretended Kakki NP: Change Your Opinion on Love - Mac McAnally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:49:39 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Brett starts off with: "I am a lawyer," and ends with: "Why are lawyers all "liitle" to Joni? She makes me feel bad and dumb, and I'm going through enough self doubt on my own without having to be reminded af all the bad lawyers and judges in the world." Aww, Brett. Don't feel bad. She's not talking about you! ;) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:24:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) Catherine wrote: > You then said: "some of mine are (and these really ARE silly) "I cried in > the shower my camouflaged tears" and "the tallest trees > were powerlines" and "the diamonds of broken bottles bounce of my high > beams, road-side jewellery stores of the dark" > > Actually, I like the trees/powerlines thing - evokes a bleak sort of > landscape - I think that could work. I'm getting into all these fantastic lyrics so much I say this year the "JMDL Cookbook," next year the "JMDL Book of Poems and Lyrics!!" Congratulations on being published, Catherine! > Many, uh, poets, were genuinely nice people, but others were just so affected - > you know, the kind that smoke French cigarettes and go around with that "I > am an artiste" kind of air. They even get their photos taken through a > gauzy filmy thing to make them look more artsy and they have these deep, > serious looks on their faces. Wow, I knew those same guys in art school!! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:10:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard MG said: "I hated it when my parents said: "because I said so." And Bob replied: "I too avoid the "because I said so" trap." I try to avoid it, but sometimes i can't think of anything else to say! Especially when you give the kid a reason why, and they don't think that's a good enough reason. I like to have my kids question things too, but sometimes they take it a bit too far (for me, that is!) Every now and then I have to remind my kids that parents really don't know everything, we don't really have all the answers. Sometimes it helps to ask them why they think a thing is so - and often they come up with brilliant answers. A funny thing is, when I was growing up, our parents hardly ever told us they loved us. Then, after my Mum died, I guess Dad started thinking about it. When he met my stepmother a year after my mother died, the two of them started talking about stuff like that and they both decided they would try to talk more about these things with their children. My Dad often calls me "dear" (he never used to!) and it's weird and sweet at the same time. If people can change their habits when they're in the 70s and 80s, the rest of us have no excuses any more. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:20:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard Catherine, wire hanger in hand, says: <> I know where you're coming from, what works for me is to say (as an ultimatum) "Because I'm asking you nicely", indicating that the next time you ask may *not* be so nice but also indicating that you expect kindness (and cooperation) in return... And if that doesn't work, just sit the punks down and start telling them how tough you had it when you were a little girl, and next time they'll snap to it! :~) Bob NP: John Hall, "October Child", and this one's a milestone cuz it's the first time I bought one of Peter Holmstead's "Plugs". John Hall from Orleans, used to have long hair and a beard, now he's shaved top and bottom...Yikes! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:24:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? Don asks: >I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... >but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally >titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many >ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that >"Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- >or I just working overtime on the semantics? > The thought has struck me as well. I don't think you're off base at all. Blue was a melancholy phase, TI more angry, but both coming from a dark place. Even in the title songs -- in "Blue", Joni knows "hell is the hippest way to go" but she's going to stick around and try it anyway. It's almost like, at that point, she felt she *had* to go through hell and didn't know or even care if she would come out of it or not. In "Turbulent Indigo", she's raging about people who hang the madman's paintings in homes he would never have been allowed to go into. "He'd piss in their fireplace. He'd drag them through turbulent indigo". (They want to buy his paintings because now they're worth money, but they don't want to know anything about where they came from and what was going on in the painter's mind, or the sordidness of poverty and madness.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:34:35 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard Bob "Get Tuff" Muller advises: << And if that doesn't work, just sit the punks down and start telling them how tough you had it when you were a little girl, and next time they'll snap to it! :~) >> Or you can go the ultimate route: when my mother stays with me, her techniques remain the same as from my childhood: "because I said so" with a tasty side of a whack on the side of the head or the bottom. A week with my mother and my kids know just how good they have it!!! MG - sick kid day continuing np: Bruce Springsteen: "Hungry Heart" for next week's concert preparation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:01:33 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) John, crossing his fingers, writes: <> Nope!!!! I am hoping to make it down to N'Aaaaarlins for sure, but THIS time, I will be sitting back, and relaxing my tush. I need to save my energies for the 3rd Annual NE Jonifest in Topsfield, don't I? ;-) <<- --We should all chip in and fly your crabby neighbors down as well, Ashara!>> AAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!! NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!! Anything but THAT!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara http://www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:20:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) ashara writes: > Nope!!!! I am hoping to make it down to N'Aaaaarlins for sure, but THIS time, > I will be sitting back, and relaxing my tush. and you deserve it, sweetheart!!! >I need to save my energies for > the 3rd Annual NE Jonifest in Topsfield, don't I? ;-) ashara?!?!?!!? is this some kind of announcement? can i start yelling my head off and hopping up and down the avenue out of joy already?!?!?!?!? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:26:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ruin Sorbees (NJC) david writes: > > Room Service: "Morny. Ruin sorbees" > [snip] > Gee, foreigners talk funny, don't they? > you're telling me! i'm a foreigner [in the us, at least] and i talk funny! > --David > > P.S. Isn't "Tendjewberrymud" a Laura Nyro album title? ;) yes, it's called new york tendjewberrymud. it's my favorite nyro album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:26:42 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) Wally, trying to contain himself, writes: << ashara?!?!?!!? is this some kind of announcement? can i start yelling my head off and hopping up and down the avenue out of joy already?!?!?!?!? >> Well...........Wally, I would keep that head of yours on for the time being. It's not an "official" announcement yet........and probably won't be for a while, as with 4 kids, you never know what kinds of twists and turns your life will take between now and then.........but..........well...........how can I "not" repeat what has been a WONDERFUL experience 2 years running??????? ;-) Hugs, Ashara http://www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:55:01 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #41 Hi there, This is the first time I'm plugging a CD of poems by a raving radical poet : Chris Chandler - Collaborations ( Prime CD ) He is known for expressing controversial ideas through his work, and asking dangerous and thought-provoking questions. In his original, insightful style, this pop/rock troubadour lays it all out on the table with intelligence, wit and humor. If the world of folk music were transformed into a schoolroom, Chris would be the one labeled "problem child" or "bad influence" by by his teachers, but secretely admired by his classmates. Chandler's admiring peers, however, do not keep it a secret. Shawn Mullins and Dan Bern have gone on record to say that much of what they do was influenced by Chris' work. "Collaborations" began as a lucky accident. In 1996, Tom Prasada-Rao invited Chris to the stage to sit in with him. "I'm not a very good singer or guitarist" says Chandler, "so I just did one of my poems in the middle of Tom's song". That performance, exposed a new technique in the art of songcraft: The use of the poem as a musical instrument. "Collaborations", a collection of such duets recorded over the past three years, features Chandler with, among others, Dan Bern, Chuck Brodsky, Catie Curtis, Ellis Paul, Martin Sexton, Dar Williams and Peter Yarrow. "This album is a friends and family project", says Chandler. "We all came out of the same open-mike sessions and came up to the festival level at the same time". Copies of this beautiful album is available from : Prime CD 111 East 14th. St. Suite 300 New York NY 10003 U.S.A. Tel: 212 - 366 - 5982 Fax: 212 - 366 - 0615 Email: mail@primecd.com Website: http://www.primecd.com Great album by a bald artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:15:37 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Amelia Earhart Thought you might be interested in the following: "Sleuths Seek Flyer's Bones" This is a headline I came across in a newspaper here the other day. Apparently, a team of Americans is searching in Fiji for a crate that they think might contain the bones of Amelia Earhart. The remains, stored it seems by the British in Fiji, were originally discovered by a Fijian naval officer in 1940 on the island of Nikumaroro. This small uninhabited island, now a part of Kiribati, is where the search team believe Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan, might have crashed and died in 1937. The bones were originally identified as those of a man but a re-examination of the medical report has suggested the skeleton might be that of "a white female of Northern European background". "A ghost of aviation She was swallowed by the sky Or by the sea, like me she had a dream to fly Like Icarus ascending On beautiful foolish arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm." I wonder if their search will be "just [another] false alarm"! John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:14:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: N'Aaaaarlins (NJC) > Well...........Wally, I would keep that head of yours on for the time being. > It's not an "official" announcement yet........and probably won't be for a > while, as with 4 kids, you never know what kinds of twists and turns your > life will take between now and then.........but..........well...........how > can I "not" repeat what has been a WONDERFUL experience 2 years > running??????? ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara Ashara, my most beloved twin sister, I'm keeping my fingers crossed as it doesn't look like N'Awlins will be possible for this JMDLer. I took a look at airfares and I don't think the budget's gonna budge this time. :-( Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:34:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Henrys Gallery Just got this from Henry's list. I've been wanting to get this CD ROM forever. A number were given out at Ashara's to some lucky people in the raffle. Also, some info on his special on the Learning Channel. Kakki > Fall is here and the holidays are not far behind. We are announcing a > special offer to our list members and to our customers not available on > our main website. Our CD ROM "Under The Covers" is now available for a > limited time at $19.95 plus $4.99 shipping and handeling. Formatted for PC > and MAC we think this would make a great gift this holiday. It's simple to > order. Just click to http://www.henrysgallery.com/specialoffer.html and > fill out the easy direct order form. > > Our one hour TV special on TLC called "California Rock, Under The Covers > will air Saturday night, February 26 at 9:00PM. The show features Henry > Diltz and Gary Burden's journey through Southern California during the > days of the Doors, Eagles, CSN and CSN&Y and many other bands of that > time. Sorry, we have no suicides or drug overdoses of rock stars in the > program. Just honest stories and great music and fun. That's how we > remember those days. > > Thanks for reading. Henry, Peter and gang > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to peterb-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:30:37 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Henrys Gallery Anybody know what channel this will be on? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| >> Our one hour TV special on TLC called "California Rock, Under The Covers >> will air Saturday night, February 26 at 9:00PM. The show features Henry >> Diltz and Gary Burden's journey through Southern California during the >> days of the Doors, Eagles, CSN and CSN&Y and many other bands of that >> time. Sorry, we have no suicides or drug overdoses of rock stars in the >> program. Just honest stories and great music and fun. That's how we >> remember those days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:15:49 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Yaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!(NJC) Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bring on the Yankees....... Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:30:27 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Lyrics - poems, etc. (NJC) Dear jimdles I wasn't going to do this, but everyone else has been brave (with good reason - I've been really impressed so far), so what the hell! And to be honest, I'm curious about what people think of my feeble attempts at creative writing! Obviously if there's no response, then I'm right in thinking these poems are really bad (and everyone's too nice to say "don't quit your day job"), but if I just get a couple of favourable replies, I'll be thrilled! And I like the anonymity of the internet. Hey if they're THAT bad I can always unsubscribe and get a new address, right!? I'll only inflict two on you at this stage - there's plenty more if things need to get nasty at a later date! Here we go: love sounds a woman lies crying for her love the cold rain beats on the window drowning out the sound of her sorrow a woman lies crying for her love the room is cold and damp the iciness of her soul spread into every corner a woman lies crying for her love the sputtering rain gutter, an accompaniment to her sobs yesterday’s dead leaves washed away like her tears a woman lies crying for her love a gate creaks, a door slams footsteps sound on the stairs the door opens, her love enters bends down for the first penitent kiss . . . . . . and a woman lies crying for her love and another: you the sun beat down fierce and merciless baking our skin coffee brown fire outside, fire inside unquenchable and always, unattainable you I'm actually more interested in short story writing, and I've written a few now. Not very good ones, but there are a couple I'm quite proud of! Anyway, if you can get past the self-depracation in this post, I'd be interested in all opinions - good and bad! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #469 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?