From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #463 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, October 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 463 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: songwriting JMDLers? ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Hits & Misses video pro [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Kyle Eastwood ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Matthew Shepherd NJC [Vince Lavieri ] NJC the listmembers galleries? [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Millenium countdown... (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Superficial Observations NJC [Dan Knoff ] Re: hello again! njc [Vince Lavieri ] Millenium countdown... NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Millenium countdown to be six degree'd (NJC yet) ["Helen M. Adcock" <] Re: You were missed Colin NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni in the check-out line ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: What ever happened to the listmembers galleries? (njc) ["Helen M. Adc] Page (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: CSN cover of Urge for Going and Joni/Graham stuff ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni in the check-out line [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:58:19 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: songwriting JMDLers? Anne wrote: <> Hey there, I'm a JMDL song writer....I've been writing for about 7 years...but I'm only now feeling content with my songwriting. I went thru a real dry-spell with my writing after I found joni...because her talent depressed me, if that makes sense...like I'd sit for hours listening and in awe of her work and then pic up the guitar and strum an A,E, D progression and just basically cry on the inside...knowing I'll never come close to her perfection. But over the past year I have really got into her tunings...it took me awhile to "get" them...but I really enjoy using them now. The tunings have changed my song writing so much and given me new enthusiasm for working on my music. The two tunings I "get" at the moment, and use a lot are DADF#AD and DGDGCD..not sure of that second one...it's the one she plays Nathan La Franeer on. I just finished a new song yesterday..it's about my boyfriend being "far, far away, inbetween coffee shops and cafes" - in Melbourne, while I'm in Sydney...I've just started a new job, that means I begin work at 1am in the morning...so the chorus of my song is "I'm rising for work...as he lays down to bed, inbetween coffee shops and cafes" - wish I could sing it to u all...I'm rather proud of it, it's in DADF#AD..and I use a lot of the shapes joni uses in Midway...anyway that's enuf from this JMDLer songwriter Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:29:37 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Hits & Misses video pro In a message dated 10/15/1999 8:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << http://www.vidnet.com/cgi-bin/new/lst.pl?A-Z >> Very cool! My video isn't so hot, but the sound is wonderful. Check it out! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:05:59 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Kyle Eastwood Actually it is called "From There To Here" though it should have been called "From There To Hear" It really is a wonderful CD. Catherine McKay wrote: > It's Kyle Eastwood's CD - I think it's called "From here to there", or maybe > "Here and There", whatever, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:24:33 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Matthew Shepherd NJC catman wrote: > regarding the moving comments about the appalling death of Matthew. His > death was indeed a graphic illustration of homophobia and plain old > bigotry and evil. yet many gay men and women have been killed or deeply > damaged by this same evil. I agree with the person who wrote about not > wanting to be tolerated. I hear the word tolerance most often from those > whose belief is that homosexuals are inherently sinful. ' i love you but > hate your sin' is how it goes. That phrase is nowhere in the Bible, it is unscriptural. What the Bible does say that God hates is not some generalized "sin" but injustice, and the solemn and sacred feasts of those who worship with all ceremony and yet despise the poor and act with injustice and oppression. > They then get extremely huffy when i > point out that their so called 'tolerance and love' is a crock and > highly offensive. I take it you met my cousins Rog and Sandy... They do get huffy well. Last time I saw tm, they chose to ignore me at a family funeral. But well motivated by their purity, I am sure... > This attitude contributes as much to the suffering of > people as does the overt evil of the crucifying of Matthew. If one > replaced the word gay or homosexual with the word black or asian or jew, > one would have no difficulty in seeing the bigotry passed off as > religious belief. > Interestingly enough the word of Greek orgin, "homosexual" appears no where in the Scriptures. And in fact, Matthew was, basically, crucified. With what anquish and suffering and pain... he is now for us an image of the Suffering One who hung there for all of us. At least in this country, one could make the argument that since we aren't allowed to kill Native Americans (only good injun is a dead injun) and aren't allowed to lynch African Americans anymore, at least on a regular basis (outside of the occasional Jasper, Texas type incident), that gays have made for a nice replacement And the Religious Right has found us a convenient target now that the commies are gone. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:30:55 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC the listmembers galleries? What about how do those of us with no scanners and no pictures of ourselves on the internet or in our computers get our pictures onto the members gallery? I am technologically challenged here. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:40:44 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Millenium countdown... (NJC) Bob.Muller, Joni teacher and Sunday Church School teacher supreme, states: > After all, Joni doesn't do Paul's letter to the > Corinthians verbatim, but I think "Love" is wonderful. > She doesn't? Well, now you tell me... there goes Sunday's sermon! Since actually Sunday's Gospel is the coin and "give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar..." maybe I can find something in "Tax Free" that I can quote for the sermon... (the Rev) Vince, amusing himself and no one else with the thought of reading Tax Free lyrics from the pulpit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:36:29 -0500 From: Dan Knoff Subject: Re: Superficial Observations NJC "Who do you immediately buy as soon as the product hits the streets besides Joni?" Sarah McLachlan Rickie Lee Jones Sheryl Crow Maria McKee Peter Gabriel Cowboy Junkies Indigo Girls Dave Matthews Band Shawn Colvin Tori Amos Neil Young I think that's all.... Love and Peace, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:52:24 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: hello again! njc Jennifer, JENNIFER! I missed you while in CT last Friday... ended up doing the camera work for the church's television show. (I never touched a camera in my life prior to that show... they were short one person and there I was... and all my aerobics experience came into good use as our director, a woman, gave me all the moves and directions through the headset and in aerobics I am used to doing exactly what I am told by the teacher, almost always a woman... I was told afterwards that gay men always take directions from the female directors far better than straight men do... let everyone ponder why...) The television show is called "Voices in the Wilderness" and is shown on public access all over CT, so look for it. This was a show on resettling refugees in this country, and when you are not moved by the story of the guest who survived the genoicde in the Congo to get his family in safety to this country to be resettled by the Episcopalians, you will notice the fantastic camera work done by the guy at Camera 2! And after the show the good folks had other things lined up for me and all of a sudden it was after 5 and I hadn't called... and I just had your work number... so I offered prayers for you at worship on Saturday night and Sunday... as well as other times. Sorry I missed you, Jennifer. But all my love to you... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:14:30 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Millenium countdown... NJC As I am an annoying person, most often, who personally believes that the whole concept of the millennium is just a mere accident of numbers and European calendar ethno-centrism.. what year is it in the Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, Mayan, Inca, and Mesopotanian calendars, for example... and if it were important, we would observe it correctly on midnight, 31 December 2000 and not 1999, for 2000 would be the last year in the current millennium... and because of an accident in the calendar making process, this millennium probably began on 1 January 1997... if I were to be this cranky and irritable and point this all out, I would remind everyone that "Millennium" has been spelled wrong in all these post subjects: 2 "l's" 2 "n's". I will now go back to lurking... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:31:00 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Millenium countdown to be six degree'd (NJC yet) Bob wrote: >Can't believe I'm the only one who LOVES to play this... I definitely like playing this, but SOMEONE always seems to get in first! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:32:47 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: You were missed Colin NJC Catman wrote: >We have good kind people, cranky >aunts and uncles, mad cousins, big brothers and sisters, little ones, ones we'd >rather not be related to, but all in all a supportive bunch of people headed by >a cranky matriarch that we nevr hear from but whose shadow is over all of us. Nice to see you back, Colin! But I prefer to be referred to as the "eccentric cousin" rather than mad! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:39:58 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Joni in the check-out line Today I was grinding Kenya coffee in the local supermarket when I heard Jaco Pastorias' unmistakable baseline. At first I thought I was floating into my dweems but soon realized that Hejira was playing in a Giant Eagle no less!!! As I pushed my cart down the next aisle looking for the closest ceiling speaker to confirm that I wasn't hallucinating I found it over the kitty litter & was so blown away that I grabbed the 40 lb. box of Tidy Cat! There IS hope, E.T. NP: Otis & Marlena ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:48:10 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: What ever happened to the listmembers galleries? (njc) E.T. wrote: >Nobody's commented on the self-portrait I painted in High School.... I would have, but last time I looked there was a photo! Great painting though, actually quite similar to the sort of thing I did in High School - I just wish I still had the time, but I spend most of my free time reading email from this great discussion list I know..... Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:54:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Page (NJC) Yes, I did. Watched it on tape with my husband, the guitar playing Zep fan who pointed out that Jimmy was using one of those transducer whatever guitars that Paz was going to demo at Jonifest. Did you, Michael Paz? And did you see Page play his? Dear Patti- I did take the Transperformance Tele with me to Topsfield. Carl Alexander from the Co. was kind enough to send it to me. I talked to him today, just after he got off the phone with Eddie Van Halen (who is getting one). Carl will be checking out the Funky Meters in Colorado Saturday night. I did not see the Page part on Net AId and I am just sick about it. I hope they play it again on VH1. Did you get the whole thing on tape? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:17:51 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: CSN cover of Urge for Going and Joni/Graham stuff Kakki wrote: >Thanks to a new friend from the CSNY list I have been listening to the >4-disc CSN box set and have been having my mind blown. This box set came >out in 1991 but I've never heard it until now. Isn't it great?! I'm glad you've finally heard it - if I'd known I could have sent you some tapes! I love this box set, and play it a lot. A lot of the songs are alternate takes that never made it onto an album, and the other thing I love is that in a lot of cases they've left in the little comments and conversations before and after (and sometimes, during) the recording. And I love the comments about all the songs - particularly Neil Young's comment about Helpless (from memory) "Recorded at 4am when everyone was tired enough to play at my speed"! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:20:04 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in the check-out line In a message dated 10/16/1999 12:43:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << oday I was grinding Kenya coffee in the local supermarket when I heard Jaco Pastorias' unmistakable baseline. At first I thought I was floating into my dweems but soon realized that Hejira was playing in a Giant Eagle no less!!! As I pushed my cart down the next aisle looking for the closest ceiling speaker to confirm that I wasn't hallucinating I found it over the kitty litter & was so blown away that I grabbed the 40 lb. box of Tidy Cat! There IS hope, E.T. NP: Otis & Marlena >> That is so cuter and funny!! Glad to *hear* the Giant Eagle has good taste! Catgirl NP: For Free- Japan 83 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #463 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?