From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #451 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, October 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 451 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NP: NIN starf-ckers, inc. NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] Handel - Messianic language NJC [Martin Giles ] NJC: RLJ /Vinyl - Cd cuts/AOL probs./Marti Jones [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: I'm back, and mingus ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Baroque ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Handel Rocks ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Baroque ["Mark or Travis" ] Back On The List ["Rodney Steinhofel" ] Re: Back On The List [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Sire of Sorrow ["Catherine McKay" ] Meshell fans (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Stevie Nicks [Dan Knoff ] njc more like babbling in london ["gerry mcnee" ] Re: njc more like babbling in london ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: screensavers ["Ken (Slarty)" ] train tragedy UK (NJC) ["Takats, Angela" ] NPR Most Important: Vote for Joni? [Janet Hess ] Flattery ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] S p r i n g s t e e n ! NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu] NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: NPR Most Important: Vote for Joni? ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO [shari ] Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO ["Kakki" ] Re: Meshell fans (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] CD Recordables!!!! Joni cd content so JCC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Kakki: "A Model Stand In" (NJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:07:09 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: NP: NIN starf-ckers, inc. NJC GeeZeus! I just listened to *starf-ckers, inc.* for the first time (after reading it was about Trent's fallout producing Marilyn Manson) & OH BOY! excellent f-cking CD!!! (so far MUCH more impressed with disk 2) I would give ANYTHING to hear Trent's rendition of Wolf In Lindsey on the Joni Tribute (he shares Joni's 9th sense of rhythms & chords). In my dweems we fwy, E.T. NP: NIN, The Fragile, Disk 2 (very impressed!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:14:21 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Handel - Messianic language NJC Hi folks. I've enjoyed the thread about Handel's Messiah. I put Bach's St. Matthew Passion in the same catagory. From a musical point of view it has the most wonderful moments that touch me deeply and can even bring me to tears, especially 'live'. The sound of scores of voices singing this music is magical to me. But ooooh, it's soooo looonngg!! I've seen it performed only once, I thought I was fully prepared for the length of it, but wouldn't do it again. On a tangent. Someone told me about a little girl they had known many years ago. She was playing with a teddy bear, and was asked what it's name was. "Gladly", came the answer. "That's a funny name for a bear", my freind said. It turned out that the inspiration had come from her Sunday School, where they had sung a song about....'Gladly, my cross-eyed bear' :-) Cheers, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:35:10 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: NJC: RLJ /Vinyl - Cd cuts/AOL probs./Marti Jones RE: Helen's post..... <> My U.S. vinyl has no lyrics to that song, but lyrics for all the rest! From country to country it is not unusual to have extra songs on a CD. An example is Sinead O'connor 's - Am I Not Your Girl - Japanese cd has extra cuts compared to US release. A weird twist is ...... U.S. version of Neil Young's vinyl Broken Arrow release has an added cut.. "Interstate".. that is not available on the U.S. CD. Re: AOL and digest mail, I have only gotten digest from JMDL. Recently AOL has had a major problem in this area. I have been reading digests from the JMDL sight, as I couldn't open them in my mail. That is fixed today and working here, but was AOL's problem. Way off the subject...as I was looking for RLJ record, I ran accros my Marti Jones releases. Anyone else like her stuff ? later, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:16:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: I'm back, and mingus Ange, you wrote: "...that way Joni slaps the strings of her guitar to paint a picture of the wolves attacking, well that's what I see...WOW' (and a whole bunch more.) First - welcome back! Second, the only song I have heard from Mingus is the Wolf (I got the Hits and Misses CDs before I realized you could actually still get some of the older stuff) and it hits me the same way it hits you. I was actually going to get Mingus a few weeks ago, but had to pay off some debt first (!) I'm looking forward to getting it - that and STAS, which I have on vinyl (but nothing to listen to it on, so there it sits a-gathering dust in the basement). So much has been said about STAS lately on the list that it's all brought back to me and I realize, yes, that really is a brilliant piece of work (and for a first-timer too- but it still holds up.) And John, it's really nice the way you "looked out" for Ange. Take care. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:25:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Baroque You said: "Actually, I think pronouncing the "-ed" as a separate syllable used to be common English practice. In Shakespeare's plays (I think), and elsewhere, it could go either way, and if the syllable was meant to be dropped, the spelling would reflect that: "revealed" vs. "reveal'd." This is one thing I read somewhere although, like you, I was of the understanding that the "-ed" ending probably was pronounced as a separate syllable back then, as your Shakespeare example points out. And: "But you are right about Handel. I think his not being a native English speaker shows up, *if* at all, in the way some syllables of the text are accented, like "FOR unto us a child is born." (A native speaker might prefer "for UN-to," but I don't think it's really a big deal.)" Actually I kinda like the way it starts out as "FOR unto us...", because it kinds of add to the "joyous" sound of this particular song - even though Bob probably wouldn't agree ;)- and later in the song, the acCENT does move to a differENT sylLABle. Maybe Handel sprach besser Englisch than we thought. It's just that darned speech impediment though "go-o-o-o-o-o-o-vernment" ;) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 13:34:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Handel Rocks Deb said: "Okay, I loved Handel's Messiah even as a little kid. I think partly it was a Pavlovian response to anything connected with presents. As a *very* little kid, I remember liking the chorus "O We Like Sheep" because I liked sheep, too." LOL - that is so cute! Anyone raised as a Catholic and old enough to remember the Mass being said in Latin might remember the response to: "Dominus vobiscum" ("May the Lord be with you"), which is "Et cum spiritu tuo" ("And with your spirit".) We learned these Latin phrases like parrots, never understanding what any of it meant, but we always said that response as "Et cum spiri TUTU-oh". As a kid, I always imagined the Holy Spirit as a dove wearing a tutu! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:45:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Baroque > You said: "Actually, I think pronouncing the "-ed" as a separate syllable > used to be common English practice. In Shakespeare's plays (I think), and > elsewhere, it could go either way, and if the syllable was meant to be > dropped, the spelling would reflect that: "revealed" vs. "reveal'd." > > This is one thing I read somewhere although, like you, I was of the > understanding that the "-ed" ending probably was pronounced as a separate > syllable back then, as your Shakespeare example points out. I think it has more to do with the meter of the particular line of verse or lyric of a musical piece than it does with how the words were pronounced. If the phrase needed an extra syllable to fulfill the requirement of iambic pentameter or if a musical phrase needed an extra syllable, the -ed was sounded as another syllable. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:47:25 +0200 From: "Rodney Steinhofel" Subject: Back On The List Hi all, just a notice to say that I have returned after the best part of a year being away. Hi to Rob Jordon in the UK Les Watson .....here in South Africa are you still on the list ...you old e-mail a.d. gets returned . Please say hi. Regards to all......received my first digest today and I am looking forward to what's been happening in Joniland. Rodney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:26:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Back On The List In a message dated 10/8/99 10:17:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steinhof@cmc.gov.za writes: << just a notice to say that I have returned after the best part of a year being away. >> Rodney, Don't be so forlorn. You never know; these last three months might turn out to be the best part of the year. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 14:53:50 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Sire of Sorrow When I said: "I'll either write about it or play my guitar or whatever, and the act of writing down the problem puts it into perspective; the act of playing the guitar puts me in touch with beauty." You responded: "I do this too. and then if this doesn't work, i drink three beers and some red wine. then, if that doesn't work, i go to bed and start over the next day." That works for me too! There are some days I go home and head straight to the fridge for a cold one! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:46:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Meshell fans (NJC) Meshell's new cd got huge Raves in the St. Petersburg Times today. Jerry np - Maureen McGovern - The Pleasure of His Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:48:35 -0500 From: Dan Knoff Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks Where could I find some of Joni's comments on other female artists? I'm interested to hear what she has to say about all of the new female artists. I'm relatively new to the list and haven't seen this. If someone could kindly point me in the right direction I would be grateful. I'm very interested in her opinions on Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow, Shawn Colvin, Tori, RLJ, and others. Just curious, Dan Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:25:19 +0100 From: "gerry mcnee" Subject: njc more like babbling in london - ---------- >From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #450 >Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 8:00 am > > There must be something in the water in London! >Martin, Jerry, have you found yourself blubbing at any music recently?? > >Azeem no Azeem not at any music but the reports of the rail disaster have brought me very close but then i just get angry at the money grabbing scams that seem to be ripping this country apart nobody seems to give a damn(untill the're caught) about safety or the quality of the service they provide, their only concern is profit and how much it is up on last year.i dont expect it to get any better either, they will only look for new ways to con us. colin where are you? n/p brendan perry;eye of the hunter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:03:45 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: njc more like babbling in london Gerry, you talk about: "...reports of the rail disaster have brought me very close [to tears] but then i just get angry at the money grabbing scams that seem to be ripping this country apart nobody seems to give a damn(untill the're caught) about safety or the quality of the service they provide, their only concern is profit and how much it is up on last year.i dont expect it to get any better either, they will only look for new ways to con us." I'm over here in Toronto, and we were talking about that very thing at work the other day when we heard the news of the train wreck - all government agencies seem to be trying to offload everything to the private sector and this is the kind of thing that comes of it. The very thing is happening over here - out gov't (especially at the provincial level) is so keen on privatizing everything, looking strictly at the fact that payroll in gov't is so high, that they forget some very important things: many of the people who did these things while working for gov't, or an agency of gov't, really do give a damn about their jobs and the safety of the people they're doing them for. When the private sector takes over, the almighty dollar (or pound) is everything. I'm not saying that individuals doing their jobs aren't doing their best, but senior management is so keen on saving money that they look only at the bottom line, and they'll hire the cheapest, often unqualified, or barely qualified people to do the jobs. These people are often given minimal training and aren't made to feel they're part of something important, so often they don't have a vested interest in what's going on. I hate to rant about this, but so much of this has happened especially in the last few years. There are so many people living in the streets now, many of them mentally ill people who can't look after themselves. And there are so many single-parent families where the kids barely get enough to eat and the welfare system was change in order to help some of the parents get jobs - but, then they can't get daycare. And the whole cycle continues. Having spit out my bitterness, I'm now going to go home for a long weekend (it's Canadian Thanksgiving, so no work on Monday!), pour myself a beer, try to get all thoughts of those bottom-line "suits" out of my head, and thank heaven for my beautiful kids. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:44:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Pretty Country Music (NJC) I recently confessed privately to a listmember to being a lover of Country music (well, at least the pretty stuff) and don't even bother to hide my Country CDs from fellow jimdlers. I'm listening to the prettiest album right now - "Word of Mouth" by singer-songwriter Mac MacAnally - Wow! Under the auspices of our Tinker Mr. Dulson, I attended a wonderful party a couple months ago organized by a couple of well-known L.A. Folk DJs. There were tons of local and famous Folk, Blues and Country musicians there jamming all night at a house with a huge backyard in the Valley and the music and conversation was fantastic. There were boxes of free CDs from several of the artists and one of them I picked up was McAnally's. The songs and arrangements are very eclectic and gorgeous and the songwriting is excellent. There is a mix of traditional and "new wave" country songs, pretty 12-string guitar love songs, blues, ballads and even a little cool jazz. In the Don Rowe/Larry/Garth-style of record review ;-) - if you love James/Livingston Taylor, Crosby/Stills/Nash, Michael Franks, Garth Brooks, Jimmy Webb and Brian Setzer, you'll like this one. This is one of those rare albums that I completely fell in love with on the first listen. Suckers for pretty music will like it a lot ;-D On the DreamWorks Records label. Kakki NP: Mac McAnally - Against the Odds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:11:04 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: screensavers I see there is quite a bit of interest in the screen saver program. FYI you cannot add more pictures to the gallery unless you have the program that makes the screen saver. Even then you cannot add pictures but have to make a new screen saver. It really is a nice program and can be downloaded from http://www.webshots.com but the shareware version only allows you to put a maximum of 5 pictures on the screen saver, to put more pics you need the registered version. You'll be happy to know you can also add music and sound files (midi and wav) to your screen saver either for each separate picture or that continues the whole time the screen saver is on. One of the screen savers that I'm contemplating making is Joni's art. Ken - Back to The Shadows Again > > I downloaded the program, and am just in love with it! > I asked Charles if there is any way for the user to > add images to the gallery. If I hear back, I'll pass > the info on to the list ... if not, he's probably in > for more than he bargained for once we listers start > sending him requests for new/more/personal favorite > pics of Joan -- he'd better hire a staff! ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 06:39:42 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: train tragedy UK (NJC) This story is indeed tragic, I've been watching the vision coming into the newsroom in Sydney...hearing the stories of death and of survival...but I think the most tragic and chilling thing I have heard about this accident was in an interview with one of the rescuers...she said the worst part of attending to scene....was hearing the ringing of mobile phones from amongst the wreckage....I can't stop imagining that picture, there's something about that particular desciption of this event that moved me more than reports on the death toll, or recovering dead bodies and I don't really know why..... - - Ange Deep in thought, in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:00:40 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: NPR Most Important: Vote for Joni? Have only been skimming the list the last few days, so if this is Old News, please forgive. Otherwise.... National Public Radio (NPR) has an online ballot for selecting The 100 Most Important American Musical Works of the 20th Century. (So help us all, they even explain what they mean by Most Important.) Quoth the web site: "Beginning next year, NPR will explore the stories behind the 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century. And we'd like your help." The ballot lists "300 works with check-boxes next to them. These nominations were compiled by NPR producers, editors, reporters, critics and scholars. It covers a wide variety of genres: classical, jazz, rock'n'roll, country, R&B, musical theatre, film scores, etc. From this list, we'd like you to cast your vote for the 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century." The good news: THEY INCLUDE JONI!! The somewhat less-good news (at least according to moi): The only listing they have for her reads as follows: "BIG YELLOW TAXI, words/music JONI MITCHELL; as performed by JONI MITCHELL (1970)" But hold on: there's more good news to follow. Now, do (even) I think "Big Yellow Taxi" is one of The 100 Most Important American Musical Works of the 20th Century? Naw. Am I going to vote for it? Maybe. Here's the more good news I promised: THE BALLOT INCLUDES A PLACE FOR WRITE-IN VOTES! Maybe we could kick around here how we could best make Joni's ... and our ... presence felt in casting write-in votes, eh? I notice that the ballot calls for e-mail addresses, so they may well try to screen out repeat voters. Not that we'd know anyone who would do that. Of course, we might know a few folks with several e-mail addresses, but voting over and over again would be wrong, wouldn't it? I also noticed that some LPs are nominated (example: The Band's "Big Pink")...I searched first for "Hijera" and "Blue" but to no avail. So there are many possibilities worth thinking about, I guess. If you'd like to check out the ballot, here goes: Have fun! - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:57:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Flattery Oh no. Now Les is gonna get a big head......... Again.... charles atlas sheppard, webmaster of the RLJ site said: > I love the looks of the www.jmdl.com - -- Just kidding Les, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:07:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: S p r i n g s t e e n ! NJC Has anyone seen Bruce Springstreet and the E Steen Band during this tour? My tickets arrived today but I have to wait till Nov 10th. - -- Nah=na=na naaaa=na, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:51:39 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: NJC Let's go Mets!!! (thanks, I needed that...) And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion list. MG np: AZ vs. Mets - Game 3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:07:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NPR Most Important: Vote for Joni? > I also noticed that some LPs are nominated (example: The Band's "Big > Pink")...I searched first for "Hijera" and "Blue" but to no avail. So there > are many possibilities worth thinking about, I guess. > > If you'd like to check out the ballot, here goes: I would even be willing to vote for 'Hejira' if it will get something worthwhile on the ballot (even though I would prefer Turbulent Indigo). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:42:12 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC MG wrote: >Let's go Mets!!! > >(thanks, I needed that...) > >And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion list. Well, if you can, I can too! Come on the All Blacks - destroy the Poms! The games not until 4am tomorrow morning, but I'll be up and watching! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:16:22 -0700 From: shari Subject: Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO Kakki, Sorry it took so long to respond..I check my home e-mail only sporadically. I was in LA for the taping of the Painting with Words, etc. only on Sat. night. I drove down from SF on Friday so I only got to attend one show. It was pretty much the greatest thing that happened to me that year -a year which turned out to be the year of Joni what with her tour and the taping. I couldn't believe how easy it was to get in to such a thing... I also couldn't believe that the reason I was getting to see her play was because people were LEAVING and I would fill their seats! I spent the first half (before the fireworks) in the great freezing cold empty sound stage watching her on monitors on these stiff black sofas. Then there was a break and the fireworks distracted everyone so me and my girlfriend "snuck in." That turned out to be unnecessary as they were desperate to fill the seats at that point. We were seated two rows up in the aisle she came running down - right behind where Mark Isham would sit when he wasn't playing. Not a bad seat in the house, though I wished I was front and center! I had a bird's eye view of kd lang but hardly ever took my eyes off of Joan. We (Joan and I) made eye contact at the very end and tipped our heads to one another. It was the very end and she was turning around REALLY LOOKING at everyone. I was touched by that [or maybe she was keeping track for reprisals for those who never showed!] I think I posted most of this to the list right after the taping. [I was gushing because I was so grateful to Wally for hooking all of us up.] I'm surprised you don't already have noted somewhere. The tape I made of the show is pretty ratty and I can make out my silhouette once or twice. I'm unrecognizable mostly. I'm still living off that evening so forgive me if I go on. Can't wait for the album of standards...is there a JMDL contingent planned for Scala? Wouldn't that be grand? Thanks for showing interest in my posting. Shari ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:09:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO Hi Shari, You wrote: > I spent the first half (before the fireworks) in the great freezing cold > empty sound stage watching her on monitors on these stiff black sofas. > Then there was a break and the fireworks distracted everyone so me and > my girlfriend "snuck in." Excellent and good move!!! Another true devotee ;-) > I had a bird's eye view of kd lang but hardly ever took my eyes off of > Joan. We (Joan and I) made eye contact at the very end and tipped our > heads to one another. It was the very end and she was turning around > REALLY LOOKING at everyone. I was touched by that [or maybe she was > keeping track for reprisals for those who never showed!] She does "really look" at everyone and it's an indescribable experience. I also like your theory of her taking a head count of her invitees! > I think I posted most of this to the list right after the taping. [I was > gushing because I was so grateful to Wally for hooking all of us up.] > I'm surprised you don't already have noted somewhere. The tape I made of > the show is pretty ratty and I can make out my silhouette once or twice. > I'm unrecognizable mostly. I'm sorry I can't recall your post but will look in my saved mail for it. I shouldn't have missed it but was out of my head on cloud 9 around that time! If you can, send me a time frame indication of when you appear, unrecognizable or not. At least it can be an official acknowledgement of your presence. > I'm still living off that evening so forgive me if I go on. Ha!! All of us who were there are *still* living off it. Thanks for reactivating the high! > Can't wait for the album of standards...is there a JMDL contingent > planned for Scala? Wouldn't that be grand? There just may be. It would be way beyond grand! Kakki NP: Mac McAnally - Better Than the Good Old Days ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:38:07 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Meshell fans (NJC) In a message dated 10/8/1999 11:48:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Meshell's new cd got huge Raves in the St. Petersburg Times today. Jerry np - Maureen McGovern - The Pleasure of His Company >> That is good to hear since I just picked up her new CD! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:46:28 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: CD Recordables!!!! Joni cd content so JCC Hello Listers! I have made some friends on the list some CD's. A few of them have had some problems with them skipping! Big YIKES!! I want all of you to be aware that recordable CD's are VERY delicate and can get a skip or scratch easier then a regular CD. They are also sun sensative so DO NOT leave them in your car like you can with other regular CD's. Occasionally, a few will skip for no reason. I have no idea why that happens so just handle them VERY CAREFULLY!! Certain CD's will only have a life span of about 10 years and then they are done. IF you want your Joni CD's to last longer then ten years I strongly suggest you buy GOLD ones that contain PHYTALO-CYNINE in them. They last longer but DO NOT skip less. They will scratch just as easy as any recordable CD so in short..TREAT YOUR JONI CD'S LIKE THEY WERE GOLD!!!!!!! If you have any questions on where you might find these better gold CD's please email me privately! Luv, Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:05:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Kakki: "A Model Stand In" (NJC) Kakki- Thanks so much for standing in for me at the Hollywood premiere. Your account of the evening was superb as always. What a writer! I felt like I was there. It's probably best that I didn't attend cause you can handle those Hollywood types so much better than I. Besides I imagine you guys were a smashing looking couple and turned heads every which way. Hopefully Steve will get some mileage out of this showing. The Honduran people depicted in this movie are not what I would consider the norm, but like anywhere there are ALL kinds. It's unfortunate that it takes this type of devastation to bring the people out to help others. There are starving, sick, kids around 365 days a year, year in and year out. And of course WE will go one healing them and feeding them one kid at a time. I think one of the most powerful things to come out of all this is the young people who were subjected to this fury that have learned at an early age what it means to help others and will retain this for the future of our people. One amazing story that I don't know if I shared with you guys was of a woman school teacher who watched her entire family be washed away by a river. Then she was swept away as well only to wake up 5 or 6 days later clinging to a log 70 miles off the north coast of Honduras. That story just blows my mind! Brings all kinds of images, fears, doubts, and hopes to mind. Thanks again for the help! Love Michael NP-Looped-The Sire of Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:40:54 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL---the sequel I was in the studio Wednesday and Thursday with five other musicians recording six tunes by Joni Mitchell and four of my own...a new instrumental jazz CD. Never before have I tried to do ten songs in two days...but, never before have I had a session funded by a record company, so some obeisance to ARKADIA'S way of doing things was in the cards from the beginning. I'm very optimistic about what will finally result after we mix and edit this. We rehearsed several times (much more than for the average jazz record), the musicians are top-rank and I felt they were on my side and welcomed the quality and challenge of what I put in front of them and asked them to do with it. This CD will be different from JTOJM: there won't be so many different instrumentations or special orchestrations. It's much more like a recording by a permanent group, more emphasis on JAZZ, a little less on JONI MITCHELL. But it was great to find I hadn't exhausted the supply of her songs amenable to jazz treatment the first time around. I will now have a bigger library as I continue to communicate with Michael about the New Orleans event; I am so looking forward to being a part of that. The encouragement I have gotten from you on the JMDL was present to me while we played. Believe me, it helped a lot; this stuff was not easy. I also learned, happily, that ARKADIA has begun distributing JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL in the UK; this apparently happened less than a month ago. DAVID LAHM-----feeling most enriched and fortunate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:58:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Roatan (NJC) Craig wrote: "I spent three days in Roatan. The devastation there is immense." Craig I wish you would have told us if you had ANY fun on the island. Certainly you can share some of that with your old bud that is having a big old island jones today. I love that beautiful old rock. I use to live there in 82-83 above the town of Punta Gorda (which was wiped out by the hurricane). The damage was really not all that bad in Roatan other than on the North side in a few spots (like Anthonys Key Resort). Alot of docks washed away, etc., but absolutely nothing like the island of Guanaja where I lived 81-82. The most beautiful of the three major islands was TOTALLY devastated. The storm sat over Guanaja (aka Bonnacca) for over 36 hours with winds of over 200 miles an hour. Miraculously not many deaths occurred on the islands. Most of the severe devastation and loss of life was on the mainland. "It is the second poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere next to Haiti. After Mitch we did our usual send money help the people. " Indeed Honduras is at the bottom of the Central American countries as far the poor goes. There is an incredible amount of money there though and also a huge American and other foreign presence in the country. There are thousands of beautiful new homes, hotels, banks, malls, theatres, etc. being built daily down there. The huge $'s that are there don't manage to trickle down to the people who need it most. There alot of Maquilas (or what you have probably know as sweat shops) down there as well. These operations are the Guess Jeans, Tommy Hiffigler type places that are using cheap labor to build their crap to sell to us stupid consumer types up here. You can't imagine how little they pay down there compared to what they would HAVE to pay in the U.S.. Still those wages are FAR GREATER than what the average Honduran can make in a day. It is a mixed blessing/curse depending on which side of the tracks you are on. The wealthy folk down there hate the Maquila's because all the woman are running to get jobs there to make more money. Therefore there are less maids to work in peoples homes (where MOST wives don't work like here). So the wealthy have to fork out more bucks if they want to keep a maid. I venture to say that most of us on the list would be considered wealthy by comparison. Anyways I hope you are getting my drift. "My frustration is that most of the relief efforts only send a percentage of the money. The blessing I guess is that it is usually over .50 on the dollar. Some like Manna & World Vision send over .90." Your frustrations are probably well founded. But this is true of all kinds of relief organizations all over the world. Speaking from my personal experience, my mother created her own organization by just doing things herself. Out of loneliness and frustration with the new backward nation she lived in, she reached out to find something and discovered the world of ham radio. Thru this medium she was able to keep in contact with her family in the U.S., but it also lead her to helping heal sick kids. She started helping all kinds of different groups like Interplast (who has been coming to Honduras twice a year for the past 30 years to do plastic surgery on the poor. Mostly reconstructive, but some cosmetic. I am going to the anniversary party over the weekend of the 22nd.) A group called The Flying Dentists, Baptist Missionaries, Catholics, you name it. She then started bringing children to the states to receive more extensive surgeries and treatments that could not be done by groups like Interplast in Honduras because of lack of good facilities. SHE DID THIS ALL ON HER OWN WITH NO FANCY/CATCHY NAME, COMMERCIALS ASKING FOR MONEY OR ANY OF THAT. It was just her! She begged hospitals and doctors to help and sought other organizations like Heal the Children, Shriners Hospitals, and eventually International Hospital for Children to help her with her work. She took money out of her own pocket and by word of mouth only received donations (mostly in kind) to do her work. She helped over 25,000 children before she passed away October 24, 1999. After her death my sister and I continue her work and have created a Foundation to her memory (The Ruth Paz Foundation). We continue to bring children for treatment in the U.S., organize medical groups to visit Honduras to do massive clinics, surgeries, and education, etc. We operate a free clinic (built with money donated by Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan through IHC) where the poor can go to receive treatment, lab testing, and medications with no obligation for payment. Many of the proud people bring a chicken, or twenty lempira (about $1.42) or whatever they can, to put in the donation box. The chickens are gladly taken and put in the yard at the next door orphanage for fattening up. Sometimes they survive and are real good lays. (lol) Every donation that we receive goes to pay for what we do. This does not include: salaries for myself or her (only the medical staff at the clinic and badly at that. They are wonderful generous people to be putting in the time they do for the miserable salary we pay them), rent on fancy office space (space donated by my sisters husband), advertising, or any of the other types of infrastructure that alot of these organizations have. Alot of those bigger organizations do do a lot of good work on large scales, but it takes alot to pull off what they do. We are currently raising money to build a Burn Unit in San Pedro Sula. It will be the first one in C.A. Projected cost including staff for first year of operation 1.5 million. I don't know how the hell we are gonna pull this off, but you know it WILL happen and it WILL work because where there is a WILL there is someone like my sister working her ass off to make it happen. "One of my former students is in the Peace Corp there and he is as depressed as you get. The Peace Corp is doing a good job by providing counselors for these students now so they don't walk away whacked from the experience." As usual for the most part these are selfless huge hearted people there doing the best they can to help others. "I came away deeply disturbed on the lack of work ethnic in the men. I don't usually voice this because of traditions and customs our not our responsibility. I would like to here from Michael on this, actually his mother. I have had friends who have been medical missionaries in those countries and have not shared this, so just wondering if I got a weird glimpse of only three days in a resort island." Don't get me started on the work ethic thing. There are tons of lazy people down there, but there is not enough room in this already long email to broach this topic. There are lots of people (like army, national guard, church groups, school groups, whackos who have nothing better to do, and all types) in country helping the people and trying to rebuild. It is going to take a long long time. I have a dream to be able to unplug from this madness I am in the States and move back there to work full time. I want to continue to feed and heal children and I would love to replant Guanaja with TREES! I believe that this will come to pass and very soon. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I am going to bring Joni Mitchell to the Indians. (sorry I guess I am having an Allie Fox moment. The guy Harrison Ford plays in Paul Theroux's Mosquito Coast) lol Yes ladies and gentleman a Joni Fest in Honduras! We may have to invite the REAL DEAL for this one. Sorry I got so breathy on this one, but you hit on a topic I know and feel about. Now Craig let's hear some of the good stuff you did. Did you have a Salva Vida Beer? Peace Michael NP-Typical Situation-DMB ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #451 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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