From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #447 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 447 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sire of Sorrow [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Sire of Sorrow [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: Joni mentioned in opera rag!!!! [Joseph Palis ] eileen farrell and the sound of music njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Michael Tomlinson Salutes Joni njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Michael Tomlinson Salutes Joni njc [Joseph Palis ] buzz cuts njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:21:52 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Sire of Sorrow In a message dated 10/5/1999 3:32:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << read and everything I fear come true' at the end. I agree with Phyllis. I don't find anything uplifting in this song except for the fact that it's brilliantly written, arranged and executed. To me it is a cry of anguish. There is no acceptance or peace made with God or anything. There is just pain and anger and despair. I had to stop listening to it because it came into my life at a time when I felt pretty much the same way. In order to pull myself out of it I had to get out of that mindset. I ended up thinking to myself 'If you go on thinking this way, you'll end up really getting what you've imagined - everything you dread and everything you fear.' >> Well I must disagree with you about that song. The arrangement to me is very very uplifting!! True the words are harsh but so is life. Sometimes when you look out into the world and see all the shit that goes on and you wonder why God why?? That song does just that for me. I think it is one of the best songs she has ever done!!! It is very inspiring to me. And even if alot of times I have cried and sang my heart out to that song, it still uplifts me. I remember playing that song over and over again...call me physco but it really gets to me!!! Catgirl np- Conversation-Sec. Fret Sets ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:42:48 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Sire of Sorrow In a message dated 10/5/1999 9:33:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << I couldn't even listen to SoS at all until recently. I totally loved the music of the song when I first heard it, but knew that if I played it repeatedly, as I like to do with beautiful songs, I'd have to live with the negative words looping through my head for months/years as nearly all of Joni's songs do. I really didn't want to be saying to myself repeatedly "you make everything I dread and everything I fear come true"! I was afraid of the song - of its potential to negatively program me. >> I don't focus completely on the words on this song to love it. Yes, if we repeatedly said negative things to ourselves we would feel pretty yucky!! Sometime I just need to hear that song becuase sometime I just get real mad at the way people are. Joni has always made me feel better and hearing someone say the words I sometimes feel make me just feel that much better that I am not along questioning alot of things about how screwed up this world can be. Catgirl trying to make sense...np; Marcie-2nd Fret Sets ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:04:05 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Joni mentioned in opera rag!!!! Wasn't she the same one who sang as Mother Abbess in the operatic version of THE SOUND OF MUSIC? Frederica von Stade was Maria. Joseph np: Miles Davis "Filles de Kilimanjaro" On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Wally Kairuz wrote: > it's a well-known fact that i'm a screaming opera queen. however, until a > few years ago i thought the farrell sang only jazz! i had two of her albums > of standards and i was SO surprised when i found a cd of opera arias in > tower records. i must confess that i didn't like her italian very much, but > her voice was so chesty and resounding that i kept the cd anyway. i liked > her much better when i heard her highlights of brünnhilde's and isolde's > parts. > wallyk > > Don wrote > > ... Eileen Farrell -- I couldn't agree more, that woman's voice > > was regal! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:18:39 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Sire of Sorrow Marian wrote: << Whatever is true, she certainly left out the happy ending where Job's wealth/health/family are restored and I personally don't > find much happiness or comfort in the song. >> Mark responded: << Good point, Marian! Why would she leave this part out if she were trying to convey some kind of resolution or hope? I don't think Joni was feeling very hopeful when she wrote this or when she wrote most of the songs on TI. And we all know she is sometimes brutally honest in her songs. >> I for one am happy Joni didn't give SOS a Disney ending. She has recently said that the last song on each album sets the tone for the next so TTT was apparently Joni's way of resolved the deep blue of SOS. When I'm down I don't want to hear Happy Days Are Here Again! That's when I blast Nine Inch Nails' The Downward Spiral or Joni Mitchell's Fiction. When I experience a musician transform ugliness into art it always makes me feel better. Or perhaps misery really does love company.... E.T. NP: TTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:19:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: eileen farrell and the sound of music njc that's right, joseph. that's a nice version of the sound of music, by the way. but my favorite is still julie's [though i like mary martin's too.] wallyk, a veritable sound of music fan [saw it 39 times] np: barbara cook singing the dorothy fields songbook. she doesn't do fields justice, imo. > > Wasn't she the same one who sang as Mother Abbess in the operatic version > of THE SOUND OF MUSIC? Frederica von Stade was Maria. > > Joseph > np: Miles Davis "Filles de Kilimanjaro" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:16:40 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Michael Tomlinson Salutes Joni Those who live in Seattle may know him and may have the privilege of hearing him perform live, but that is no reason for others to ignore a great singer-songwriter Michael Tomlinson. He has an exquisite voice that is quite unlike what one hears lately in the stations. Anyway, in his website www.michaeltomlinson.com, he mentioned his favorite musical artists with the following lines: "A great many of these artists have influenced me throughout the years. The others, and the newer ones, have kept me good company. More, even, that for what they taught me about music and expression, I tahnk them for what they've shared of themselves, giving me such musical inspiration throughout my life. What they all gave and are still giving me has caused me to want to give you that same sense of friendship and heart in song." Michael listed a lot of names, but he placed an asterisk on artists "I am most grateful to for the inspiration and musical companionship". Those with asterisks: (in order) Bruce Cockburn James Taylor Joni Mitchell Andreas Vollenweider (isn't he the one who plays harp?) Van Morrison Gordon Lightfoot Dan Fogelberg America Elton John Beatles Elvis Its nice to see Joni in good company and in a company of men. :-P Joseph (as of this writing, exactly 20 minutes a skinhead) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 4:30:13 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: a mention in CSNY LP review I noticed a Joni-mention in the review on Addicted To Noise (www.addicted.com.au) of the new CSNY album, 'Looking Forward'. Please forgive me if this has already been pointed out. >The album also features Stills' driving rock anthem "No Tears Left," >Nash's hopeful acoustic ballad "Someday Soon" and Crosby's >"Dream for Him," a sung-spoken, Joni-Mitchell-like jazz tune about >a parent struggling with telling a child the truth about the world. "I >am uncomfortable lying to a child," Crosby sings, backed by his >cohorts. "Feels like building a trap for something wild/ Feels like >building your house on sand/ And expecting the ocean to let it >stand." -Gerald (in Melbourne) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:33:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Michael Tomlinson Salutes Joni njc is this because you shaved your head or because you've joined the klan?!?!?! wallyk > Joseph > (as of this writing, exactly 20 minutes a skinhead) > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:49:03 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Dreams I adore "In my dweems we fwy" from the sleeve of DJRD & often slip into a chorus of "I'm floating into dreams, I'm floating off, I'm floating into my dreams...." Sleeping & dreaming keep us young, healing the body & mind. Since we're talking the Great Spirit, I'd like to share my two fav statements on dreams: "The sleep of the body is the sober watchfulness of the Mind and the shutting of the eyes reveals the true Light." ~Hermes, Vision "For I tell you truly, in the daylight hours are our feet on the ground and we have no wings with which to fly. But our spirits are not tied to the earth, and with the coming of night we overcome our attachment to the earth and join with that which is eternal." ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace Book Four Sweet Dreams! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:41:45 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Michael Tomlinson Salutes Joni njc Hi Wally, Actually the way we call a skinhead here in Manila may be different from that of the US or England. A skinhead here has some 1/2 inches left of hair. Extremely short, still. Incidentally, it was a Joni fan here in Manila who recommended that I retain half of my hair because people will start noticing my face. Didn't seem to work. Just a minute ago, a colleague told me I looked like Mike (one of the characters of `Blair Witch Project') with my new look. Can't remember Mike having short hair, but do you think this counts as a way of saying that they now see my face more prominently? Joseph (laughing out loud and 37 minutes a skinhead) :)))) On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Wally Kairuz wrote: > is this because you shaved your head or because you've joined the klan?!?!?! > wallyk > > > > Joseph > > (as of this writing, exactly 20 minutes a skinhead) > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:00:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Singing Joni in Wien (NJC) marian, you should definitely do wolf. only two people in the world can do it: joni and you. it's the ultimate achievement! did you notice how i snuck up on the steps to try to pick your brains while you played it at ashara's? the way you play wolf is the gospel according to marian. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:22:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dreams every night, before i go to sleep, i tell myself, "let my dreams teach me tonight." i truly believe that dreams are knowledge, not so much from a freudian point of you, although like all buenos aires natives, i have strong links with freudiana. i view dreams as REAL experience. dreams have pointed a finger at the right way to follow many times in my life. i have solved equations in my dreams that i couldn't figure out while i was studying hours before. and i have changed the course of many dreams or simply make myself wake up when the dream started to lose substance. now, i'm aware that this may mean that i'm very neurotic. still, it's something that i've been able to do since i was a child. after all, i was born with neptune in scorpio. and i may be very neurotic too. incidentally, i had a dream about patrick leader last night. in the dream we were in london and we were both younger. and we KISSED!!! ooh la la. wallyk, in my dreams i mean business - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Eric Taylor Para: JMDL Enviado: Miércoles 6 de Octubre de 1999 01:49 Asunto: Re: Dreams > I adore "In my dweems we fwy" from the sleeve of DJRD & often slip into > a chorus of "I'm floating into dreams, I'm floating off, I'm floating into > my dreams...." > Sleeping & dreaming keep us young, healing the body & mind. > Since we're talking the Great Spirit, I'd like to share my two fav > statements on dreams: > > "The sleep of the body is the sober watchfulness of the Mind and the > shutting of the eyes reveals the true Light." > ~Hermes, Vision > > "For I tell you truly, in the daylight hours are our feet on the ground > and we have no wings with which to fly. But our spirits are not tied to the > earth, and with the coming of night we overcome our attachment to the earth > and join with that which is eternal." > ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace Book Four > > Sweet Dreams! > E.T. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:27:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: buzz cuts njc oh, in that case i'm more of a skinhead than you. my hair is only an eighth of an inch long now! buzz cuts definitely bring out one's features, especially the eyes. wallyk, still waiting to see blair witch. > > Hi Wally, > > Actually the way we call a skinhead here in Manila may be different from > that of the US or England. A skinhead here has some 1/2 inches left of > hair. Extremely short, still. Incidentally, it was a Joni fan here in > Manila who recommended that I retain half of my hair because people will > start noticing my face. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #447 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?