From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #440 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, October 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 440 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: rickie lee jones news NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) [Deb Messling ] Re: WTRF - a song cycle [Susan McNamara ] Re: rickie lee jones news NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Screen Savers ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: rickie lee jones news NJC [Les Irvin ] Screensavers [Bounced Message ] Mingus and a question [Bounced Message ] humming ["David Greenspoon" ] RE: WTRF ["David Greenspoon" ] RE: rickie l j NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: rickie l j NJC [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: humming [Louis Lynch ] RE: humming [Don Rowe ] humming [Jenaya Dawe ] New To The List ... (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: humming [Susan McNamara ] RE: New To The List ... (NJC) [Louis Lynch ] Re: humming [LLDeMerle ] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] NJC A special request to my special friends [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] BSN makes Steve Lamaq cry [Bounced Message ] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) [David Wright ] Re: humming [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Screen Savers ["P. Henry" ] Re: rickie lee jones news NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: New To The List ... (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:29:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: rickie lee jones news NJC helen, i know this won't help much, but i recommend that you buy ALL her albums. patrick's right, pirates is a good next purchase. if you decide that you want only THREE more, you can't miss girl at her volcano [get the cd or the tape, not the ep because otherwise you'll miss her rendition of something cool, my latest obsession], flying cowboys and naked songs. but then pop pop and ghostyhead are stupendous too. i don't want to raise a commotion here, but to me rickie is *almost* up there with...well, i don't dare to finish the sentence. do you want me to make you a little anthology on cd before you make up your mind? wallyk > Incidentally, having said I'm not a big fan, I would like to get some more > of RLJ's albums. What do people recommend? > > Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:52:56 -1000 (HST) From: RainbowCrystal@webtv.net Subject: Mingus I love and appreciate this album. I remember all the controversy over it when it came out, but even before I heard it I could only respect anything Joni chooses to do. "Sweet Sucker Dance" is one of my very favorite songs of all time. It just touches me deeply. It's nice to hear Joni sing jazz--she's so good! Anyway that's my 2 cents from a most-of-the- time "lurker". Aloha from Rainbow in Hawaii ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:28:41 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Mingus...and a Joni question Robert Klein had a comedy bit about trying to hum Dr John's "Right Place, Wrong Time," and in that vein I was trying to hum "The Jungle Line," thinking it would be silly. But it worked okay. In real life, the songs I most find myself humming are the real old never-released songs, like "Eastern Rain." At 05:08 PM 9/30/99 +1200, you wrote: >MG asked: > >>what are the top Joni songs that you find yourself humming to during your >>day? (Or night for those of us not following the Ben Franklin school of >>thought) Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:38:58 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) I don't think she's referring to Carole King, although it would fit, as you say. But the last verse says: "Christmas is sparkling out on Carol's lawn / This girl of my childhood games has kids nearly grown and gone." I don't think Joni knew Carole King in her childhood. At 05:15 PM 9/30/99 +1200, Helen wrote: >Karen or Carol? Actually I always had the feeling Joni was referring to >Carole King in this song - the lyrics seem to fit (and Carole started out >life as Carol) and they were both "pioneering" women in the rock'n'roll >business in a way: Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:40:38 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) I said: >>Karen or Carol? Actually I always had the feeling Joni was referring to >>Carole King in this song - the lyrics seem to fit (and Carole started out >>life as Carol) and they were both "pioneering" women in the rock'n'roll >>business in a way: And then Deb replied: >I don't think she's referring to Carole King, although it would fit, as you >say. But the last verse says: "Christmas is sparkling out on Carol's lawn >/ This girl of my childhood games has kids nearly grown and gone." I don't >think Joni knew Carole King in her childhood. You may be right, I'd forgotten about that verse! But she could still be talking about her "childhood" - not in a literal sense, but in that she looked back and thought of herself as still a child emotionally, or mentally at that time. Remember the lines from Little Green - "Child with a child pretending" and "Call her Green for the children who have made her". The times are a little different - Kilauren was born in 1967 (?) and Joni appeared on Tapestry in 1970/71, and this is all conjecture (obviously) on my part, but it fits - at least in what passes for my brain at this late hour, it does! And I'm not trying to start up the Little Green thread again, I promise! I think I need to take a break and relax my brain - time for a ciggie and For The Roses (which I must get on CD ASAP)! I can't believe I've left it this long when it's one of my favourites! Helen Soon to be playing - FTR! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:57:52 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: Joni remasters/hdcd's > I'd like to ask, how do you know if you're getting the "remastered" or > the > "unremastered" version - would this be obvious on the package > somewhere? > I'd hate to go out and buy the CD versions of some of the albums > (which I > have on vinyl) only to find out that they've been remastered and then > kicking myself for buying the wrong version. Most importantly, all(?) of the HDCD's have a tiny framed HDCD logo on the back. All of the HDCD's have slightly different artwork compared to the regular CD's. They have been 'restored' to match the original LP design. The tiny text on the CD back mentions this ("repackaged by Robbie Cavolina"). All the back covers are slightly different to regular CD's. If you can open the CD case, the insert is not a booklet type of thing on the remasters but a folded, continuous piece of paper. Also, the spine of the HDCD case is not done with a standard label font, it follows the overall design - so they're all different (for example LOTC is written by hand). The Reprise HDCD's I have have all brown label (with the steam boat on top), the regulars have the print on clear surface. I'm in Europe but for some reason the Joni HDCD's I have are all American (probably imported). I have only seen one European HDCD, "Court & Spark". That had an identical insert/booklet to the regular CD. On the front there was a sticker mentioning it was HDCD - otherwise it looked just like the regular CD. Didn't see the disc. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:07:29 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: shutting down someone on ebay.... > >What Neil Young songs are on this and is it an import or CD recordables? I > >am very interested in bidding but need more info! > >Thanks! > >Deb > > hi, > these are on high quality CDrs. I have never seen the originals if there are > any. These are as i bought them. They come with great color inserts and have > color graphics on the discs. Neil plays sweet Joni and does backup for sugar > mtn. and a few others, the disc is at the office so I am not sure the names. > jw > > And then I wrote...... >> > I have the CD-R's that were GIVEN to me from a friend. This item did come > out on a Japanese Import and I think it is terrible that you are trying to > make money off of Joni Mitchell's music. Are you sending her procedes or > just trying to profit off of someone else taletnt?? If you continue to sell > HER music for profit I have no other choice but to turn you into t0 REPRISE > and eBay! SHAME ON YOU!! > Debi > now to all of you............ > now I just want to know who do I go to besides eBay support to get this guy > shut down. Is there an addy for reprise or ascap? This has got to stop! > Catgirl Mark commented: > Coming out of the shadows momentarily to comment on this. The bad thing is > is that eBay allows the sell of bootlegs and there is little one can do to > stop it. Numerous petitions have been written to eBay but nothing has been > done. I was away for a couple of days, but I'd still like to comment. Basically I think CDR's are risky, because the makers for these discs are ultimately there to make money and the satisfaction of their customer is secondary. As with all deals at eBay, problems can occur but with CDR makers buyers should be extra cautious. The quality of the disc (technical & musical) will always be a surprise, no matter how wonderful the CDR is described to be on the eBay page. I have reported two CDR sellers to eBay. One of them stole my money and with the other one the disc was unlistenable. I knew that eBay was having an 'anti-CDR' campaign at that time (about a year ago), so I simply reported these people as makers of 'infringing items' - the term eBay uses. Even today I regularly run into a cancelled auction every now and then - so they are still canceling CDR's. Because of my complaints (they might have been others), both of these sellers were blocked from doing business at eBay. Of course the seller can always get registered with a new e-mail, but for a few weeks I made my business to find them (as they kept selling the exact same items), reported them each time to eBay, who duly and fast (1-2 days) cancelled their new ID's - and the sellers eventually gave up. I also e-mailed every buyer that took part in their auctions, letting them know about my experiences. Many of them cancelled their bids and the final prizes of the auctions that were finalized (before the sellers got banned) dropped a great deal. I e-mailed to these addresses which I found at eBay and thought would be interested: buddyitems@ebay.com safeharbor@ebay.com ctywatch@ebay.com isanchez@ebay.com report@ebay.com Basically I CC'ed the same e-mail to them all. I think it's important you give them all the facts: the item number, the seller's ID and why you think the person should be banned or a particular auction cancelled, as briefly as possible. I don't know which of those addresses actually responded to my complaint, but the reply with the information that the seller had been blocked came from 'report'. >From 'buddyitems' I got a rather standard reply, but it has some useful information: >>If payment or product was sent to the user via the U.S. Postal Service, you may file Mail Fraud Charges. Please contact your local Post Office for more information. You might also want to review the information on their Web site page about Fraud on the Internet: http://www.usps.gov/dtf/19dtfinf.htm You may also file a fraud report with the National Fraud Information Center: http://www.fraud.org Once you have filed this report, please send a hard copy of the report to the following address. Copies of email sent to the National Fraud Information Center cannot be accpeted for legal reasons. Hard copies of their printable forms can be accepted. Make it to the attention of our Fraud Prevention Division: eBay, Inc. Attn: Fraud Prevention 2005 Hamilton Ave., Ste. 350 San Jose, CA 95125 eBay will then research the case and take appropriate action. In extreme cases, you may also want to consider contacting authorities in your area, as well as authorities in the area in which the seller resides.<< I have to admit that I have bought several CDR's from eBay, some of them at quite high prices and knowing that the seller makes an illegal profit - the mind is weak (or the heart)... But there are also more 'humaine' CDR sellers around. After I had won one auction, the seller sold me the CDR at the cost price. He probably also sold it to a lot of other people but at least he wasn't making a fortune in the process. So it's fair to say that I have a rather confused view towards CDR's... Anyway, I really think it's worth the few minutes it takes to report the baddest of these people. It worked for me. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:43:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary TTT Jimmy celebrates an anniversary: <> Yes, it was a good day...I went to Manifest, picked up 3 copies at lunchtime, and ended up giving one away spontaneously to a co-worker who was upset over a bad relationship. I'm sure she'll always treasure it. The second copy I held onto and gave to my sister at Christmas, and the other copy got Iistened to about 5 times that afternoon! Plus, the USA today had a nice picture and article about the release, and I was honored to be able to send it to Wally. Bob NP: Joni, "Heard it Through the Grapevine" (Thanks Phyliss! It was worth the wait!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:48:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Don't Make 'Em like They Used to ... (NJC) <> Speaking of the Dan, does anybody know the state of the new one? Their website is so poorly maintained, there's NEVER any news on it...I saw ads for a pre-buy in Mojo, but haven't heard any more about it. I guess the best thing to do is forget about it, and when it shows it will be a pleasant surprise. And just last night, I was listening to "My Top 12" where Joni plays "Gaucho" as one of her faves... Bob NP: Suzanne Vega, "Cracking" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:01:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: rickie lee jones news NJC Wally, waiting for RLJ to move so he can worship the ground she's walking on, writes: <> Oh, I'm sure Wally! This one's gonna blow like a whale! And I have heard the little "Rorschach" you're speaking of, it's a nice addition and intro to "Weird Beast" but a whole record of it??? I'm afraid the emperor's got no clothes on this one...of course, to each their own! And I would like to third/fourth/whatever on "Pirates", a brilliant mix of her spacy beautiful tunes (Traces of the Western Slope), her funny finger-poppin tunes (Woody & Dutch on the Slow Train to Peking),her swinging jazzy tunes (Pirates) and her heartbreaking tunes (Skeletons, one of the saddest songs on record, imo). Pirates is her Hejira. And I second Patrick's nomination of Naked Songs, an excellent collection of live acoustic material which is not a substitute but rather a complement to the studio material. Pop Pop is a lot of fun, but some of the production is SO low you have to crank the volume to 11 to hear it. I love RLJ and I would love to see her get back on track... Bob NP: Suzanne, "Small Blue Thing" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:16:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle Kakki said: <> No, it WASN'T intended as parody Kakki, I was referring to Don's witty comeback. I was very serious with the sequencing and actually gave it A LOT of thought. (The Sequence I eventually committed to was about the eighth I wrote, there ARE some lines in each song that don't necessarily play into the sequence). WTRF is a great-sounding record, in the same way that Journey made good-sounding records. Now I'm not comparing Joni to Journey, obviously, (the slut has NO Journey) but this record should have been a much bigger hit. (Guess that could be said for ALL her records, but WTRF sounds like it was intentionally produced to put her back in the commercial spotlight.) << I played the hell out of it and even went through another cassette copy, but honestly, there has always been something about it that was "off" to me. I now really believe it *was* the sequencing because I love the songs individually but don't enjoy listening to the whole album itself all that much. Your sequence makes total sense to me both logically and musically and I would like to try taping it in your order sometime to see how it feels.>> I'd love to hear your thoughts after that happens...I may do it myself! <> You wink, Kakki, but there could be a rather large nugget of truth in what you say. Putting the songs out of a logical order would prevent people from linking them together and trying to assume things about Joni's personal life. Then again, Joni&Larry were at the "Stay In Touch" phase of their relationship here, so some of the songs might have been for Larry and some may have been addressing past relationships. Worst case scenario, it forces you to go back and pay attention to one of Joni's babies that doesn't get its fair share of attention... Bob NP: Suzanne, "The Queen & The Soldier" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:29:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) Patrick proselytizes: <> I love it too, and I'm also a huge fan of "Just One Victory" for the lyrics..."It takes just one victory and we're on our way"...sometimes I say that line like a mantra when things are going wrong. It also puts me in the mind of "Sunny Sunday"..."that one little victory. that's all she needs". See, EVERYTHING leads back to Joni! :~) Bob NP: "Coyote", Universal Amphitheatre, 06/14/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:50:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle Then again, Joni&Larry were at the "Stay In Touch" phase of their > relationship here, so some of the songs might have been for Larry and some > may have been addressing past relationships. To me it's pretty obvious that all of the songs are *not* about Larry. And most of them are not particularly 'happy' songs. I looked at the cd last night to try & figure out an alternate sequence. I just couldn't come up with anything. Kakki, let us know how Bob's ordering sounds. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:59:31 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle Mark said: >Then again, Joni&Larry were at the "Stay In Touch" phase of their >> relationship here, so some of the songs might have been for Larry >and some >> may have been addressing past relationships. > >To me it's pretty obvious that all of the songs are *not* about Larry. >And most of them are not particularly 'happy' songs. > I always thought it was pretty nervy of Joni to record 'Man to Man' with Larry, JT and John Guerin. What a woman!!! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:16:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: rickie lee jones news NJC Wally Kairuz wrote:you can't miss girl at her volcano [get the cd or the > tape, not the ep because otherwise you'll miss her rendition of something > cool, my latest obsession], flying cowboys and naked songs. but then pop pop > and ghostyhead are stupendous too. Pop Pop is one of my all time favorites (and Les', also). Comin' Back to Me on it is stellar. And her Bye, Bye Blackbird would give Isadora chills. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:16:55 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC In response to my gibe at Vonda, wherein I asked, "is there anyone else out there in Cyberspace who can't stand Vonda Sheppard?" Azeem said: "I'm with you! I think she murders every song she covers, she seems completely unable to understate, everything is foghorned, every pudding over-egged." (I butt in here to comment that I loved that expression - "every pudding over-egged". Must remember to use that some time when the opportunity presents itself, as it so often does...) Azeem continues with: "This may seem bitchy (ha!), but I've heard that the main reason she's so prominent in the show is that she's best buddies with Michelle Pfeiffer, who is married to David E Kelley, the show's main man." That could be - I dunno. I have a co-worker who used to work in LA doing publicity for various show-biz types, who knows Vonda, says she's a very nice person, but likewise can't stand her singing style. Azeem finishes off, saying: "Having said all that, I DO like the theme song "Searchin' my Soul",uncoincidentally a song she wrote." You're right. I will admit to having heard one or two songs that she does well and I'm guessing these are more likely the ones she wrote herself. There's even one or two Whitney Houston (!) or Mariah Carey (!!) songs that I don't mind. Those two do well when they're singing something upbeat and abstaining from the vocal acrobatics, but they emote too much on the ballady songs, which I guess is Vonda's problem as well (IMO of course, as always!) I've always appreciated the art of understatement. A person does not need to scream their lungs out or sound like they're on the verge of hysterics (or possibly about to throw up?) to show that they ***feel***. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:28:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 >Catherine, >Why is it I sometimes get the sneaking suspicion that your real name >is 'Marge Delahanty, Warrior Princess'! > >;-) >Mark in Seattle wondering if anybody out there in Joniland (Canada in >particular) ever watches 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes? > Marge is my HEROINE!! I don't watch the show that often, but I do remember the time she went to our provincial parliament building dressed in her Xena gear and confronted our premier Mike Harris. A lot of those in the "real" media were upset about that because they felt it was irresponsible journalism - but it isn't journalism at all, of course, it's satire. And Mike didn't seem to mind all that much either. P.S. I'm not ALWAYS like that, OK? I just have my moods like everyone else - - the weird thing is they're coming closer and closer together now. I wonder if it's peri-menopause or something... cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:46:12 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Screen Savers Frances asked: "This might be a dumb question, but ya' know what I would really love? A Joni Mitchell screen saver for my computer. there any place we can find some?" Frances - there are NO dumb questions. And Helen responded: "I don't know about screen-savers, but my wall-paper at work is Joni's water-colour for CSN's album "So Far" and I get a huge number of comments on it (all positive)." As another technically challenged individual, I just have to ask: since you can take images and turn them into your wallpaper, does anyone know if you can do this with screensavers too (and if not, why not?) Just wondering. I'm going to ask some of our techies at work and if I find out anything, I'll let you know. Of course, I'm going to have to pretend that I WON'T be doing this at work ;) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:47:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC Catherine said: <> And further to this, they don't need to "bend" every note 10 times either. Lauryn Hill's disc was plagued with this, every syllable twisty & turny so you almost can't tell what she's feeling. Listen to more Stevie Wonder, girlfriend!! On the flip side are the INCREDIBLE emotions of Meshell's vocals on "Bitter" (creeping its way to the top of my 'best of 99' list). They are wonderfully UNDERstated in terms of vocal technique but straight to the heart in terms of their effect. And of course, EVERY vocalist can take tips from Joni when it comes to emoting on record... Bob NP: "Refuge of the Road" 06/04/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:38:03 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: rickie lee jones news NJC At 11:36 PM 9/29/1999 , patrick leader wrote: >well, the obvious gap is 'pirates'. it's her second, between the two you >own (one more oddity in there as well) and it is truly beautiful. I agree with Patrick - Pirates is a classic album and highly recommended. My other favorite is "Pop Pop" which is an album of covers done in her inimitable style. Les NP: something by Laurie Anderson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:48:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Screensavers From: Jamie Zubairi Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:47:23 +0100 Dear Frances and JMDL You can get a screensaver from a Rickie Lee Jones fan. I have mine. it's just various pics of our Joan in various periods of her musical life. Available from: http://www.freespeech.org/tumbleweed or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:49:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Mingus and a question From: Jamie Zubairi Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:57:47 +0100 The song I am humming at the moment is Sweet Sucker Dance, only 'cuz Mingus is being talked about at the 'mo. I almost closed the door Cancelled on everything We opened up for Tonight the shadows have their say.... But recently I was in a film playing a transvestite getting changed in a public toilet and the director said, 'what do you wanna do?'. I asked him if I could hum a tune. He said sure, what? 'Blue Motel Room' I said. Go ahead. So from humming at the start of the scene, I end up singing it while I get changed. The editor of the piece was wondering what the hell I was singing during the editing (he must've heard it over and over again) cuz I end with the line 'Will you still love me.... when I get back to town?' Snap my make-up mirror shut, toss my boa over my shoulder and leave. Very torchy. Very camp. Seeing the finished film a coupla weeks later, all we get is that line as throughout the 7 mins of film there is a soundtrack over the top until you get to my line. The film is called 'Flush' and is part of the Raindance Film Festival in London soon. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:12:51 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: humming >what are the top Joni songs that you find yourself humming to during your >day? (Or night for those of us not following the Ben Franklin school of >thought) > I'd say the say the jni tunes I often find myself humming (or trying to hum, i'm so dreadfully out of tune!!!) are Judgement of the Moon and Stars and Night in the City (lately I can't get the last one out of my head!!!) David I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars That shell shock love away... - -JM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:25:02 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: RE: WTRF don wrote >10) Chinese Cafe Yeah WTRF would be better with Chinese cafe at the end instead of the opening, kind of a reminiscing of youth to conclude the CD.Mind you I haven't listened to WTRF for a while so I better listen to it again!!! David ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:32:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: rickie l j NJC well, pop pop is mostly all first takes [it was her specific request. she said something like "if there's a song we can't lay down in 20 minutes, we won't do it]. that may account for the low production style, though the sound has a lot of immediacy to it, and i don't find that the volume is the problem here. by the way, argentine bandoneonista dino saluzzi plays bandoneon on a couple of tracks. it was so strange to hear a tango instrument on a rlj album! >Pop Pop is a lot of fun, but some of the production is SO > low you have to crank the volume to 11 to hear it. > > Bob > > NP: Suzanne, "Small Blue Thing" small blue thing is such a great song!!!! wallyk, np b'52's love shack: "you what?!?! -- Tin roof rusted!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:42:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: rickie l j NJC And speaking of Rickie Lee, I know she's on the cover of Tom Waits' "Blue Valentine" but I don't see anything in the liner notes about the mystery woman on "Foreign Affairs". Does anyone know if that's also RLJ? Looks like her, but I can't see the eyes. Bob NP: Was (Not Was), "Woodwork Squeaks(and out come the freaks)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:17:09 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: humming Hi all, I don't hum, but I do walk around singing more or less constantly. I've serenaded every coworker, passerby, check-out clerk, toll booth attendant, etc., in central Pennsylvania by now. Invariably, it's a Joni Mitchell song. Most frequently... 1. Dreamland 2. Cotton Avenue 3. Urge for Going 4. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio 5. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 6. Shadows and Light But, all Joni's songs are so entrapped, they're likely to come out at any time. In old English folk music, tunes that worm their way through your mind like that are called "maggots." Several maggots, such as Jack's Maggot, can be found in English country dance literature. During Shakespearean times, a song that stuck in your head was referred to as a "ketch" (Scottish/Irish) or "catch," thus the phrase "catchy tune." Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: humming > I don't hum, but I do walk around singing more or > less constantly. I can't believe I'm even telling you guys this, but my one stupid human trick is my ability to play the kazoo without a kazoo. It involves curling the inside of the lower lip across the upper front teeth and humming, if anyone cares to try and learn ... and "Dreamland" is my number of choice for obvious reasons. And if you'll excuse me, the kind men in white coats are requesting I come with them ... Don Rowe ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:51:06 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: humming Joni's "stickiest" tunes (at least for me) 1. Big Yellow Taxi (I spend full *weeks* with this one 'worming' through my brain.) 2. California 3. Twisted (A heavy rotation song in the office, therefore inescapable in my brain. Speaking of songs we identify with....) 4. Help Me jen NP: Problems and Bigger Ones - Harvey Danger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: New To The List ... (NJC) Hi, my name is Chris Gaines and I'm a fictional character created by Garth Brooks as a shamless marketing ploy to capitalize on the "no it really happened" hype started by "Blair Witch." I've been listening to Joni ever since it was decided at a meeting of the D'Arcy Masius Benton-Bowles creative team that we could possibly attract aging boomer folkies with spare cash to drop coin on Garth's latest CD. I've really enjoyed the recent conversations on 'Mingus' -- even though my press kit claims I still don't get it. Well that's all for now ... look forward to rapping with you. Chris ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:12:54 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: humming Think of the joy I was experiencing when for a whole week Michael from Mountains was streaming through my mind like the taffeta patterns running down the drain. one of those songs that never wear out. take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:20:22 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: New To The List ... (NJC) Yes, Chris Gaines, but can you play the kazoo without using a kazoo? That's a prerequisite for being on this list, you know. One of our listers, Don Rowe (who we suspect is an imaginary character himself) does provide lessons on how to make kazoo sounds. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:30:09 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: humming "Same Situation...." LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:32:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Chris aka Don Rowe writes << Hi, my name is Chris Gaines and I'm a fictional character created by Garth Brooks >> Didn't you do the fake kazoo version of "I Got Friends in Low Places" ? :{) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:42:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Well Don..er Larry...er Chris, those "white coat guys" may just getcha for being so dang schizophrenic! Bob NP: Elvis C., "How Much I Lied" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:25:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Hi Chris and welcome to the list! What a coincidence - just this morning I was thinking of finally purging myself and coming clean about secretly falling in love with your new song "Lost in You". They've been playing it a lot here in L.A. and I've been going crazy wanting to know who recorded it. When I learned it was you/Garth/Don I felt I needed to get special dispensation from the Joni list before purchasing the CD. You've made it so much easier for me to now go ahead unashamed. Hook, line and sinker, Kakki NP: Benoit-Freeman Project - Mirage > Hi, my name is Chris Gaines and I'm a fictional > character created by Garth Brooks as a shamless > marketing ploy to capitalize on the "no it really > happened" hype started by "Blair Witch." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:17:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Hi Chris and welcome to the list! > > What a coincidence - just this morning I was thinking of finally purging > myself and coming clean about secretly falling in love with your new song > "Lost in You". They've been playing it a lot here in L.A. and I've been > going crazy wanting to know who recorded it. When I learned it was > you/Garth/Don I felt I needed to get special dispensation from the Joni list > before purchasing the CD. You've made it so much easier for me to now go > ahead unashamed. And I bought it too and like it. So let's have no Chris Gaines bashing and nasty remarks about aging baby boomers. So there. Go Chris! Welcome to Joniland! Tell us. How much did she influence your early years? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Sorry ... I actually like the music myself. I was roasting the schtick -- not the songs -- though it does escape me why there was all this hoo-ha. You know, the Beatles became Sgt. Pepper's ... David Bowie became Ziggy Stardust ... Elton became Captain Fantastic ... Prince became The Glyph ... so what's the big deal? It's a shame really that the hype will turn some folks off of what is a pretty solid effort. Don Rowe (waiting for the white-hot flames from mybarro .. who I can just hear simmering out there about Garth attempting to appropriate rap ...) :-O ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:30:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: NJC A special request to my special friends Hi all... Well, tomorrow (October 1) my son Nathan officially becomes a teenager and turns 13. He is my prized possession and has single-handedly taught me what love is all about. It's a gross exploitation of the list to do this, but y'all are the only international bunch I know. If you have a minute, I'd appreciate it if you could send him a quick "Happy Birthday from (wherever you might be)". His addy is Btlebom@AOL.com I'd especially like it if you folks outside the US would step up to the plate - he'd really think it cool to get Birthday wishes from around the globe. 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In fairness, I do seem to remember reading about this Garth Brooks project months and months ago -- well before the Blair Witch hype. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:16:21 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: humming In a message dated 9/30/99 2:19:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Invariably, it's a Joni Mitchell song. Most frequently... >> Usually sing or hear the song in my head...sometimes in the car...often at home with or without the kids present...today it was...Rainy Night House, in my head and outloud in the car...it was pouring this morning...I thought about what male artist would do justice to that song...also played in my head Love Puts On A New Face today and sang a bit of Carrie to my daughter when I got home because she was complaining about how mean her dad was for telling to get on her homework...amazing to realize that Joni's work has been a part of my daily thoughts since 1976, Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:40:19 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC In a message dated 9/30/99 7:19:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << In response to my gibe at Vonda, wherein I asked, "is there anyone else out there in Cyberspace who can't stand Vonda Sheppard?" Azeem said: "I'm with you! I think she murders every song she covers, she seems completely unable to understate, everything is foghorned, every pudding over-egged." >> Adding a wee bit more to the Vonda thread: Vonda Sheppard is another performer who came to my place of work for a performance to support the release of her CD, "It's Good Eve." She was running 30 minutes late due to Bay Area traffic and the big truck hauling her grand piano. I knew I had been in accounting too long when I listened and thought: "hmm, that can't be cost efficient." Debits and credits aside, accompanied only by her piano and, (I think), a bass player, she was very nice. Competent and "pretty" as opposed to outstanding and making one want to buy the CD. I've also seen her when she toured as a backup singer for Jackson Browne, but I don't recall her vocals getting too showcased in that venue. MG - thinking about sneaking away for a nap..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:29:12 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Screen Savers <> what I do is use a slide show screen saver and just fill the folder with Joni pix/art. pat ps - any mackers onlist, there's a great program written just for this called Screen Gear Pro and it's $15. shareware! (which just happens to be written by a friend of mine) it can be found at: http://www.screengear.com.gu Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:08:37 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: rickie lee jones news NJC On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Pop Pop is one of my all time favorites (and Les', also). Comin' Back to Me on > it is stellar. And her Bye, Bye Blackbird would give Isadora chills. POP POP is also a favorite RLJ album along with debut album. To hear RLJ deconstruct songs associated with the standards is exhilirating. I can't quite get over her renditions of "I'll Be Seeing You", and "My One and Only Love". And those children voices (?) in "Dat Dere"... were they really producer D. Was's voice? Fantastic! Joseph np: Urszula Dudziak "Papaya Song" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:42:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: rickie lee jones news NJC > And those children voices (?) in "Dat Dere"... were they really producer > D. Was's voice? Fantastic! > > Joseph really? i missed that. i thought it was rickie's daughter! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:57:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 > >Catherine, > >Why is it I sometimes get the sneaking suspicion that your real name > >is 'Marge Delahanty, Warrior Princess'! > > > >;-) > >Mark in Seattle wondering if anybody out there in Joniland (Canada in > >particular) ever watches 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes? > > > Catherine answers: > Marge is my HEROINE!! I knew it! I don't watch the show that often, but I do remember > the time she went to our provincial parliament building dressed in her Xena > gear and confronted our premier Mike Harris. A lot of those in the "real" > media were upset about that because they felt it was irresponsible > journalism - but it isn't journalism at all, of course, it's satire. And > Mike didn't seem to mind all that much either. I think it's great the way Marge seems to have no qualms about approaching some of Canada's top public officials and other public figures and asking all the embarassing questions that the real reporters wish they *could* ask. Some of her victims seem to enjoy it. Others try their best to run away. Of course Marge goes right after them, getting into elevators with them, following them into buildings, you name it. I think Canadian TV has it all over US television as far as political satire is concerned. It seems to be a lost art down here. The 'Talking to Americans' sequence on 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes' is sometimes an absolute riot! > > P.S. I'm not ALWAYS like that, OK? I just have my moods like everyone else > - the weird thing is they're coming closer and closer together now. I > wonder if it's peri-menopause or something... > Hey I get a big kick out of most of your posts! Channel Marge all you like! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:17:35 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: New To The List ... (NJC) Chris Gaines pseudonomously spun: > Hi, my name is Chris Gaines and I'm a fictional > character created by Garth Brooks as a shamless > marketing ploy to capitalize on the "no it really > happened" hype started by "Blair Witch." I've been > listening to Joni ever since it was decided at a > meeting of the D'Arcy Masius Benton-Bowles creative > team that we could possibly attract aging boomer > folkies with spare cash to drop coin on Garth's latest > CD. I've really enjoyed the recent conversations on > 'Mingus' -- even though my press kit claims I still > don't get it. Well that's all for now ... look > forward to rapping with you. The thought of buying a Garth Brooks anything... and the fear of ever hearing Garth Brooks rapping... has me planning a camping trip with Heather Donahue, Joshua Leonard, and Michael Williams. (the Rev) Vince, waiting to explain to by bishop why Bob outed me as "the witrch loving Rev" on here :-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #440 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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