From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #437 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 437 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Blair Witch (NJC) [evian ] mingus and pazfest 2000 njc [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Blair Witch (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re. HELLO JMDL/ How many:first search Joni Mitchell [Gertus@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #38 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Blair Witch (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Re. HELLO JMDL/ How many:first search Joni Mitchell ["Helen M. Adcock] Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame, then back again (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock"] Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: Blair Witch (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Fw: Mingus ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Libra Sun NJC [Louis Lynch ] RE: HELLO JMDLs/How many: first search was Joni Mitchell [Louis Lynch ] Re: WTRF [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Mingus [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Blair Witch (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Peter Gabriel's Back with Genesis! (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) [jan gyn ] Tape Trees [Bounced Message ] Ethiopia [Bounced Message ] Re: Libra Sun NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Libra Sun NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Mingus ["Catherine McKay" ] Mingus [Medric Faulkner ] Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Plug Of The Week #38 ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame, then back again (NJC) ["Catherine McKay"] Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Blair Witch (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Blair Witch (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Ally McBeal NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] the dead little green thread 7th. [Siresorrow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:33:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Blair Witch (NJC) Well, I had mixed feelings about Blair Witch. I was so taken by the hype that while in Edmonton this summer with my wife and my inlaws, I went and stood in line for 8 billion hours to see BW, while my wife and the inlaws opted for that Julia Roberts thing. While waiting in my seat for half an hour before the movie started, I met this woman who said she hadn't gone to a movie for years, but had to see BW because of the hype. Anyway, the movie didn't frighten me in the theatre, nor did it frighten the woman next to me (she kept saying to me "I haven't gone to a movie for years, and I end up going to this? What the hell is wrong with me"?). Also, the camera work REALLY made me feel crappy, and since I had to pee since I drank a 47,000 ounce coke while sitting there, I suppose my mind wasn't completely on the movie. When it was over, my seat-neighbor woman and I chuckled and said our good-byes whilst I high-tailed it to the bathroom. But, the next night, driving home on a crappy highway, and in the worst fog I have EVER been in, I got the willies thinking of the movie. And then a few weeks later, when I went golfing for the first time in my life on the most humid and bug-filled day of the summer (which is another story in itself, but damn I hate to admit it was fun), I got the creeps bigtime with all the bushes, which I seemed to be in every three seconds. I do agree with the fine Rev. that BW is great in the lack of slasher stuff and soundtrack, etc. I really hate all that slasher crap, but give me a good supernatural thriller, and I sleep with the bathroom light on for weeks! Give me Rosemary's Baby and some Haunted House type of thing any day. I read a letter in EW that said BW was only scary if you have a fear of bad camera work, sticks, and leaves, but for me, the movie did give me the willies once I was out of the theatre, although it wasn't the scariest thing I have ever watched (Linda Blair and that Amittyville House give me the shivers) Evian np: the sounds of something flying around uncontrollably in the dishwasher... the dish must be trying to run away with the spoon again.... P.S. However, I must add that the "soundtrack" for BW looks positively spooky! I want it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:11:26 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: mingus and pazfest 2000 njc On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:47:42 -0300 "Wally Kairuz" wrote: > yesterday i decided that i will do mingus in its > entirety in new orleans. dry cleaner remains > a cappella, but i need marian to relinquish her > wolf and boogie man, and on top of that, to > accompany me. how do you feel about that > marian? I would be honored to accompany you, Wally. Can't wait for the JFNE Boxed-Set to come out so I can re-live the magic of your performance. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:22:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) Evian wrote: > But, the next night, driving home on a > crappy highway, and in the worst fog I have EVER been in, I got the > willies thinking of the movie. And then a few weeks later, when I went > golfing for the first time in my life on the most humid and bug-filled > day of the summer (which is another story in itself, but damn I hate to > admit it was fun), I got the creeps bigtime with all the bushes, which I > seemed to be in every three seconds. Like you and Deb, I also had this after-effect of oppressively dense creepiness that stayed with me for a couple of days, even though I wasn't really scared during the movie itself and thought it was overhyped. I did think the concept was very original and the acting was fantastic. Later I read that the acting was so realistic because the actors were improvising most of the dialog while being semi-starved, sleep-deprived, rainsoaked and freezing. {{{Eeeuuu}}} I just got another willie thinking about it. It's definitely worth seeing and probably more enjoyable if you don't listen to the hype. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:13:15 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re. HELLO JMDL/ How many:first search Joni Mitchell Yes, my first internet search was for Joni Mitchell, back in early '97 I think. I can't remember how many sites were thrown up at that time and as I immediately found Wally's site I don't think I investigated many others. By chance, I decided to repeat the search earlier today and found well over 7,000 sites listed! There are over 700 UK sites. Interesting to wonder how many there may be this time next year. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:51:51 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #38 Hi there, Do you remember the name Terence Boylan? Brother of John Boylan ( who produced Linda Ronstadt's early albums ), once member of The Applethree Theatre ( one album, MGM/Verve 1967 ), one solo album on MGM/Verve in 1968 and two GREAT solo albums on Asylum Records in the late 70's ( "Terence Boylan" and "Suzy" ) . .....and you know what? Terence is back on track with : Terence Boylan - Terence Boylan ( Spinnaker Records ) This album is a collection of songs from his two Asylum albums, plus three newly recorded songs. The older material features guests like Russ Kunkel, Leland Sklar, Timothy B Schmit, Don Henley, Jeff Baxter, Donald Fagen, Paul Harris, Al Kooper, Max Bennett, John Guerin and several other great players! If you enjoy the other recordings from the Asylum family in the 70's ( Jackson Browne, Joni Mitchell, Eagles, Richie Furay etc. ) I'm sure you'll LOVE this album! This summer Terence has also been recording new material, for what will be his first "all new" album in twenty years! Copies of "Terence Boylan" is available from : Spinnaker Records PO Box 450 Rhinebeck NY 12572 U.S.A. Email: webrunner@terenceboylan.com Website: http://www.terenceboylan.com GREAT stuff from a GREAT artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:31:05 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) Evian wrote: >And then a few weeks later, when I went >golfing for the first time in my life on the most humid and bug-filled >day of the summer (which is another story in itself, but damn I hate to >admit it was fun), Don't be afraid to admit that golf is fun! It's one of the greatest sports around! Helen - a golfer and proud of it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:34:51 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Re. HELLO JMDL/ How many:first search Joni Mitchell Jacky wrote: >Yes, my first internet search was for Joni Mitchell, back in early '97 I >think. I can't remember how many sites were thrown up at that time and as I >immediately found Wally's site I don't think I investigated many others. By >chance, I decided to repeat the search earlier today and found well over >7,000 sites listed! There are over 700 UK sites. Interesting to wonder how >many there may be this time next year. But in my best Christopher Lambert voice I say "There can be only one!" (Wally's, of course). Although the classic reply is from Joni herself - "and you know there may be more". Helen - too wide awake to go to bed, and too bored to watch the telly. Uh-oh! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:42:25 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame, then back again (NJC) Jerry wrote: >Gay icons are, strangely enough, hardly ever gay themselves. I agree, which is why I disagree with your next statement: >Only recently, >because things are much more open now, have those who have "come out" been >regarded as gay icons. Examples include Rudy Galindo, Ellen Degeneres, >Melissa Etheridge, Elton John, Sir Ian McKellen, Nigel Hawthorne, etc. I would consider the people who've mentioned as heroes to the gay community, or role models, but not gay icons. >Classic gay icons are almost always women, fabulous women who are strong, >vulnerable, exciting, and greatly talented. I agree again - and you've forgotten two of my favourites, Agnetha and Frida from Abba! And if you've seen "Priscilla Queen Of The Desert", you'll understand perfectly what I mean! I'm nitpicking (obviously) and you did clarify by saying "classic gay icons". I've also always wondered why gay men have gay icons, but gay women don't seem to? Helen - still wide awake and pontificating profusely (and waxing alliterate to boot)! Boy, this is NJC! Sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:22:58 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) You can blame Roger Ebert the film critic who raved on day one. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:21:34 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Blair Witch (NJC) Hi Vince. Yes, there was no soundtrack, no special effects - but, as far as I was concerned - no story. For me, it was like watching a boring home movie. And (to incorporate a bit of Joni content...) it's like saying conversation is art. It isn't. Joni's lyrics work because they are well thought out. You'd never hear someone saying what she writes. But that's why it works. Same thing with movies. By their very nature, they have to be crafted in some way. I didn't think there was any craft (witch or otherwise :-) ) in Blair Witch. Just my opinion... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:20:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Mingus Catherine wrote: > I don't have Mingus yet, and the only song I've heard is "The Wolf that > lives in Lindsay" because I bought the "Hits" and "Misses" CDs before I > realized you could actually still buy some of the older stuff on CD. i must > admit i had to listen to the Wolf quite a few times before I began to > appreciate it musically. One day not too long ago, while listening to it, > it all began to make sense. There was an actual pattern of verse and > refrain and so on that struck me quite suddenly - and I do want to get the > whole CD now. But I can see how it wouldn't be for everyone, and there is > no point trying to force yourself to like something just because someone > else thinks you should. I wanted to respond to this partly because I've been wanting to post something about 'Mingus' and partly because, to me anyway, 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey' is not representative of 'Mingus'. It is one of two songs on the record that Joni wrote both the words and the melody for, the other being 'God Must Be a Boogie Man'. The rest are Charles Mingus's melodies that Joni wrote lyrics for. The two songs that Joni wrote both words and music for are the only two guitar based songs on the album. Although they fit the record thematically they do not sound like the rest of the tracks on 'Mingus'. The rest rely on the interaction of Jaco's bass, Herbie Hancock's electric piano, Wayne Shorter's soprano sax and the percussion contributions of Peter Erskine, Don Alias and Emil Richards for the backup sound that accompanies Joni's vocals. This record may be the most ensemble based album that Joni has ever made. The form is jazz and jazz is very much dependent on the inspiration of each individual player and how they interact. It's hard for me to imagine Joni 'directing' these musicians by humming or singing what she wants them to play. Mingus's melodies are very complex and the music has a very moody sound to it. I would describe it as impressionistic - it has that soft, slightly out of focus quality to it. 'The Drycleaner from Des Moines' is the exception - it is very upbeat and uptempo with a melodic line that twists & turns & really gives Joni a vocal workout. Lyrically 'Mingus' has some spectacular turns of phrase. From Goodbye Porkpie Hat: In the sticky middle of the night Summer serenade Of taxi horns and fun arcades Where right or wrong Under neon Every feeling goes on For you and me The sidewalk is a history book And a circus Dangerous clowns Balancing dreadful and wonderful Perceptions that have been handed Day by day Generations on down There are recognizable melodies and verses to the songs but as I said, they are very complex. You probably won't find yourself humming them absent-mindedly - at least not until you've listened to them 20 or 30 times. They are very beautiful melodies, some of them quite hauntingly beautiful. 'Chair in the Sky' comes to mind. Getting back to 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey' it is one of my very favorite Joni Mitchell songs. The way the guitar pings and shoots around with the weird percussion sounds in the background gives it an eerie, cold, menacing effect that perfectly matches the lyrics. And Joni sings it masterfully, wailing the high notes like a Hollywood Hills banshee. The wolves howling in the background complete the feeling of something predatory that is hiding out in the cold and the dark, waiting.... 'God Must Be a Boogie Man' is a great expression of Joni's everpresent theme of yin & yang and the balance between the two. It is witty, earthy and elegant all at the same time. Thematically it is a most appropriate opener for this record. The record as a whole sounds very much like it was painstakingly thought out & put together after much trial and error. As a result it maybe doesn't have the spontaneity that it should have. I think Joni was very anxious about the whole project and tried very hard to make it a worthy tribute to the genius of Charles Mingus but still remain true to her own artistic vision. Not an easy task. The few songs from 'Mingus' that she does on 'Shadows and Light' really benefit from the immediacy of live performance and come to life in a wonderful way, especially 'The Drycleaner from Des Moines'. Although I don't listen to this one very often I do think it's a beautiful record. Maybe not the great statement she meant it to be, but impressive, none the less. As far as her singing is concerned, I think she did pretty well at testing her chops on authentic jazz for the first time. But I think her present day life experience and smokier voice have made her much better at singing jazz now than when she recorded 'Mingus'. Just my opinion. So if you don't have 'Mingus' and you're sitting on the fence about whether or not to buy it or you only listened to it a few times and decided it wasn't for you, may I gently suggest that you do get it and if you already have it, give it another try. It is truly a labor of love and I'm sure it was a tremendous learning experience for Joni. Joni uses just about everything she learns along the way so you can hear echoes of this record in subsequent albums if you listen carefully enough. Well I can, anyway. My two cents. Mark in Seattle (who kinda feels like Sue McNamara - all of Joni's albums are 5 stars - it's just that some are 5.1, some are 5.8, etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:24:35 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Libra Sun NJC Harper Lou is a Libra too. I had my horoscope done one time, and it turns out I'm almost all Libra, all my planets are bunched in this unsightly little clump in Libra/Scorpio. The astrologer says it accounts for much of the craziness in my life. I've never been much of a believer in astrology, but at least I have something to blame things on now! Harpy Birthday to the rest of the Libras! LLL - -----Original Message----- From: waytoblu@mindspring.com [mailto:waytoblu@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:46 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Libra Sun NJC >>Libra! I know of only two Libra listers: Roberto and Bob Muller. Who else >out there is a Venus child? I am a Libra and proud of it. I just turned 30 on Sunday. Victor NP: Emmy Lou Harris-Portraits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:32:10 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: HELLO JMDLs/How many: first search was Joni Mitchell Count me in! When my company put me "up" on the Internet, the first thing I searched was Joni Mitchell. I found the wonderful web page right away, of course, and I was spellbound. A few minutes later, my boss leaned over my shoulder and whispered, "That's NOT why we gave you Internet access..." By then, I had found the sound clip of "Urge for Going" and, of course, it started playing just as she was standing there. Busted! But she said, "Well, as long as it's Joni Mitchell, I can't complain, but keep it to a minimum, OK?" Harper Lou http://www.louislynch.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:36:45 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re. HELLO JMDL/ How many:first search Joni Mitchell > Yes, my first internet search was for Joni Mitchell, back in early '97 I > think. I can't remember how many sites were thrown up at that time and as I > immediately found Wally's site I don't think I investigated many others. I think it was early 96 when I first started playing with Travis's computer after he moved in. Joni Mitchell was the first search I did also and as I recall there was Wally's site and not much (if anything) else. I too was thrilled to find such a thorough, intelligent and lovingly maintained site. I eventually started contributing an occasional message to the cafe section and then when the JMDL started up I jumped right on it. I think I was one of the first participants. And here I am, still. I have made some wonderful friends here and it has been a rewarding experience in many ways. Here's to you, Wally & Les! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:54:02 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: first search was Joni Pat said: > this is *so* well said, suze! interesting how you tie your relationship >with the sites and the list to your relationship with Joni herself... and >especially true to the musicians onlist! how many of us have said things >here we would love to share with Joni herself? ...or asked? I think the first thing that really sucked me into this whole internet thing was the fact that I could FINALLY find someone out there who was as GA GA about Joni as I was. I can't tell you how many times I would be at a party or meet some people for the first time and they would ask me what music I liked and I would bring up Joni and they would say "who?" I can't tell you how flabbergasted I would be no matter how many times that happened. "WHO?" It was like I had just said "the Beatles" and somebody said "WHO?" Who? Joni Mitchell, that's who! Then I would get all self-righteous and crazy and start prostelytizing the Word, and my husband or brother would just shake his head and say "there she goes again!" So I traveled a lonely road until 1995 when I met Wally and his site and started corresponding with him and others I met on the net. As far as actually talking to Joni, I know there are a number of people on the list who have had this rare experience and I am very envious. The closest I got was at the Day in the Garden where there was a slight possibility, if she gave a press conference, that I would get to meet her because I was the photographer for the web site, but she decided not to give a press conference. Cie la vie. In a way I was kind of relieved because to tell you the truth, I don't know what I would have said to her other than "Thanks for bringing so much joy to my life with your music." Beyond that, I don't feel I have anything else to offer, and I certainly don't expect anything from her (other than the next album!) In my opinion, I don't think that Joni is a secret subscriber to the list. Anyway, I hope she isn't. I know that people have talked to her about the list and she may have read a couple of shares once but I couldn't see her reading this stuff all the time. I think it could get very distracting and intrusive for her. I never post to the list thinking "what would happen if Joni read this?" This forum is for fans of Joni to discuss her music and life, not a cheerleading squad (although we all love her so much it can sound like that sometimes.) There is a lot to learn by studying her career and I think having the image of Joni over my shoulder while I was expressing my opinion would kind of take the fun out of it. I always think of that scene in Annie Hall when Woody Allen brings Marshall McLuhan from behind a movie poster to tell the Blowhard guy in front of him on line that he doesn't know ANYTHING about his work. Here's Joni coming out of the shadows to say to SueMc "How dare you say Solid Love is a klunker!! You don't know anything about my work!!" Wahh, I'm not worthy!! I would unsubscribe and go hide under a rock for the rest of my life!!! :-) There is my blowhard post for the day!! Take care, Sue NP: "Prayer for the Dying" seal ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: WTRF Michael said: << Chinese Cafe holds a deeper meaning for me than almost any other song. >> I think it's definitely the strongest song emotionally on the record; And once again I'll go on record with saying I wish it wasn't the opening track, I don't think it sets the tone of the record plus it overshadows the others. And YOUR version wasn't too shabby either dude! Bob NP: Van Halen, "Mean Streets" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:05:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) patrick, waving his flying finger of shame, said: <> As Edith Bunker would say..."Shame, shame, everyone knows my name" :~) Todd, as much as I love his stuff, was one of those artists who would have one or two good tracks on a record and the rest was too experimental or far out for my tastes. (Hermit of Mink Hollow & Something/Anything being two stellar exceptions). But the zealous Patrick is forcing me to re-examine Todd's body of work. After all, my tastes have grown somewhat from those days in the 70's when I was only interested in hearing the "hits". So I suppose you could say I'm maturing from a toddler to a "Todd-ler"! :~) Bob NP: Van Halen, "Fools" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:14:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Mingus Mark so wonderfully stated: <> Mark, great post on Mingus. And I also agree with what Kakki said, I didn't appreciate Mingus when it came out but now I've grown up to it. Your comment here reminds me of a funny story about the Jonifest. Kate had put together a Pictionary game of Joni song titles, and part of the game was that if you guessed the song title, you had to sing the first line of the song. Well, Kenny guessed Chair In the Sky and then said "OK everyone, let's have a rousing sing-along of Chair In the Sky" and I was rolling with laughter because he knew full well none of us could do it. Bob NP: "Romeo Delight" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:56:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) That witch-lovin' Rev said: <> Well, don't worry Rev, you can bet a bundle of your finest sticks that Hollywood AND the independents stood up and took notice of the BW phenomenon, so you can expect a bunch of lesser knock-offs. And I can't comment much on the film as I haven't seen it yet (waiting for it to come to the dollar theatre), but I do know what you mean. I always love a good story, but I'm not sure I want to see a bunch of improvised cinema verite releases. For me, I revel in script - it can be poorly acted, bad cinematography, whatever, but if there's good writing, I'm hooked. By the same token, soundtracks can be an integral part of a film (American Graffiti) but you can rapidly discern when the movie exists for the soundtrack instead of the otherway around. Likewise with special effects: Toy Story was a GREAT story that just happened to have special computer-generated animation. Twister, on the other hand, was awful...that Twister "blew" alright! :~) So special effects and soundtracks aren't necessarily negatives in and of themselves (and I know that wasn't your point). This summer was filled with big-budget turkeys (Wild Wild West, The Haunting), so hopefully we'll see some reversals of that trend and they'll realize that effects alone won't do the job. Of course, The Phantom Menace also was too tired for words and it's in the Pantheon of high-grossers.... Give me a good foreign flick any day of the week! Bob NP: Van Halen, "Outta Love Again" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Peter Gabriel's Back with Genesis! (NJC) Since I now know there are fans of Peter Gabriel's "Genesis" out there -- thought I'd pass along the following URL. Point your browsers at: www.genesis-net.com Here you will find a streaming audio file download for a track off the upcoming "Hits" retrospective ... which includes an updated remix of 'The Carpet Crawlers' from Lamg Lies Down On Broadway. Peter is BACK on lead vocal -- and Phil/Pete have employed the considerable talents of one Trevor Horn (Seal, Frankie Goes to Hollywood) as producer. You might need to visit Darth Gates at Microsoft.com to get the MediaPlayer codecs file to hear it -- but it's worth it! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:34:25 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) I 'hearted' Blair Witch. That and 'Afterlife' are so far my favorite movies this year. 'American Beauty' and 'Run Lola Run' are also great fun. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:44:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Tape Trees From: Jamie Zubairi Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:26:27 +0100 Dear UK Jimdlers Just wondering whether anyone has the demo of HOSL and/or the acoustic DED that might be available. Will reimburse time, trouble, post & packing. If you have MiniDisc facilities that would be preferable, otherwise good quality tape. with much Joni Jamie Zubairi "Whatever makes you YAHOO!" Joni Mitchell, Shiny Toys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:43:35 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Ethiopia From: Jamie Zubairi Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:26:04 +0100 To the current DED thread: Yes, it does seem opportunistic to write a song about the famine, but WHAT AN ANGLE! She is berating the people that are jumping on the bandwagon to get their faminemoney but also saying that it's not just Ethiopia that has problems. Ethiopia is just the focus of a wider picture, which not many people really spoke out about at the time. Joni had the foresight to see that it was the problem of 'the little garden planet' that was dying not just a developing countrys' crisis. All throughout DED she speaks of 'planets flickering, forests falling like buffalo' all the governments were ignoring the problem because they were out to make money. Didn't wayne Shorter, when listening to Ethiopia, wonder in amazement (and I am paraphrasing) "Where's the 1 man, nobody's going to find the 1." He was refering to the root of the chord in that song. They were too complex for the normal ear tha not many people would be able to find the root. Hopefully he did. Much Joni "Whatever makes you YAHOO!" Joni Mitchell, Shiny Toys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:46:44 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Libra Sun NJC >Well, spring IS here: temperatures are already in the 60's and >everybody's >showing signs of some kind of allergy, either sneezing >or scratching or >choking on the pollen. Well, Wally, Fall is HERE! Right now, our temp's are the same as yours, and guess what - the allergies are still here! Can't wait for that first frost, but jeez, I hate winter! >I am suddenly reminded that the sun has entered >Libra! >And all of you born under Capricorn, Aries or Cancer beware: the >Libra Sun >can spell trouble. Akk! I'm an Aries - what can I do about it? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:48:13 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Libra Sun NJC >I am a Libra and proud of it. I just turned 30 on Sunday. > >Victor > Happy Birthday Victor! You're so young - be happy! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:10:18 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC >A nice cover of Both Sides Now is performed by Vonda Shepard in >tonight's >episode of Ally McBeal, or at least the first verse. I >think this may be a >rerun. > At the risk of starting something, is there anyone else out there in Cyberspace who can't stand Vonda Sheppard? We've had this very discussion at work. Half the staff like her, the rest of us can't stand her. One of those who hates her singing knows her personally and says she's a very nice person - she likes HER, hates her singing. I get the fingernails-on-a-chalkboard reaction any time I hear her. Actually, while I'm at it, can't stand Ally McBeal either. Maybe I'm too old (?) Obviously in a rotten mood today... cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:12:56 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Mingus (NJC) Steve wrote: >Wow, I knew Mingus was an old guy, but not THAT old! >If he played Antibes in 1060, do you suppose he went >over to England for the Hastings fest in 1066? Dust off your copy of the Magna Carta - it may be in there somewhere! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:19:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > At the risk of starting something, is there anyone else out there in > Cyberspace who can't stand Vonda Sheppard? I'm a big fan of hers. Jerry np: Hejira - Oceanway Studios - 1988 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:50:09 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) The Rev. Vince says: "I hope the trend catches on of no soundtrack, no special effects, as I am so tired of the big budget special effects screaming sound system cinematic events that pass for movies these days..." Well, I haven't seen Blair Witch, but have heard both good and bad about it. Lots of people complain of motion sickness! IF they have no blaring soundtrack though, that's definitely a good point in its favour. Have you ever noticed how the trailers before the film are even louder than the film itself? And the little ads for Dolby sound and Digital THX and so on just about blow your ear-drums out! My little boy has very sensitive hearing and he always cringes when these things come on - I once had to take him out of a movie because it was too loud. The managers don't seem to take a complaint of that kind very seriously - they'll give you a refund or a replacement pass for another show, but do they turn the sound down? Nooooo! We're all going to end up deafened by this kind of stuff. Time to take out my poison pen and write a scathing letter to those responsible... While they're at it, don't you wish they'd take the laugh-tracks off TV shows? Could they give us a little credit for knowing when to laugh? NO ONE, apart from homicidal maniacs, laughs the way laugh-tracks do, and a lot of the things where they insert this aren't even funny, or are at best, only mildly amusing. Then there's the shows where they go beyond a laugh track. There's some that have those "Awwwws" at a "cute" scene. Make me gag! I've read that the average film is aimed at 15-year old boys. I think it's an insult to 15-year old boys. They're not all morons! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:58:20 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Mingus Oh, I definitely do want to get Mingus - it's next on my list once some more debt has been worked off (another day, another 50 cents) (especially after reading your e-mail!) Loved your comments on 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey' where you say: "it is one of my very favorite Joni Mitchell songs. The way the guitar pings and shoots around with the weird percussion sounds in the background gives it an eerie, cold, menacing effect that perfectly matches the lyrics. And Joni sings it masterfully, wailing the high notes like a Hollywood Hills banshee. The wolves howling in the background complete the feeling of something predatory that is hiding out in the cold and the dark, waiting...." I do agree with you there - just listened to it again this morning and noticed how everything fits together. That percussiony guitar and the bongo drums and even the lyrics seem very beatnik-y to me. Picture Joni in the black turtleneck and black pants, wearing a beret, smoking Gitanes, in a smoky cafe, getting up to do some beat poetry. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Mingus Mingus took a while to grow on me. In the long run, I think it wears well as the work of an adverturesome genius stretching her intellectual legs. Medric Faulkner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:04:52 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) Mark said, "Ok, so I agree that this movie was way over-hyped and not nearly as scary as it was supposed to be. But I do think it was very clever and awfully well done. I can see how some people might think the whole thing was real. The actors were *very* convincing, imo." One of the main turn-offs for me about any film is the hype - the more I hear about a movie, the less I want to see it, because I'm so sure I'll be disappointed. Especially when you hear the *same* thing over and over. With "Eyes Wide Shut", I had absolutely NO interest in seeing it, simply because we had all heard (supposedly) everything there was to hear about it before it even came out. Then we heard more about how it WASN'T like that at all. I'd rather know very little about a film before I see it, so I can judge it without prejudice. It's kind of like listening to gossip about other people before you've even met them. You try to block it out, you try to be totally objective, but there's always that little bit of doubt in your mind... cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:18:36 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Plug Of The Week #38 HellO? Peter? Are you a real person? Tell us about yourself. When did you become a Joni fan? What do you do for a living? and so on, and so on. Apart, that is, from plugs of the week. Is there a Joni tie-in somewhere here? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:38:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame, then back again (NJC) Helen says, "I've also always wondered why gay men have gay icons, but gay women don't seem to?" Well, here I go, sailing into uncharted waters, but don't let that stop me - oh no... This is a question I sometimes wonder about myself. In the office where I work, most of the men are gay, so we do talk about stuff like this a lot. Are gay men more likely to identify themselves as being gay than women are? Just wondering because, of all the people I know, I'm not aware of any of the women being lesbians, but I know tons of gay men. I also wonder about the "icon" thing. A lot of the women identified as "gay icons" tend to be very over-the-top, almost parodies of women, which lends itself well to impersonation, so I can understand why a drag queen would want to imitate Streisand or Minelli. However, a transvestite is not normally gay, nor is a gay man necessarily a transvestite. It strikes me, that if a woman dresses like a man, it's less of an issue than a man dressing like a woman. A woman can wear a man-style suit and be chic, but a guy in a dress is a drag queen. It seems more acceptable for women to dress in men's clothing. But again, transvestitism does not equal homosexuality and, based on what I've seen, most gay men don't secretly wish they were women (that would make them transsexuals, which is a whole 'nother thing.) The bottom line is - I dunno! Anyone else have any ideas on that? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:47:57 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN cover - Vonda Sheppard - NJC To my query: "Is there anyone else out there in Cyberspace who can't stand Vonda Sheppard?" Jerry says: "I'm a big fan of hers." Well, go away Jerry - I don't want to hear from her FANS! ;> cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Brand New Day" -- Sting's Latest Rips & Wrecks (NJC) Oil and water are both valuable and necessary elements, but they still don't mix. On the flip side, gunpowder's not much good without fire. You could say both about Sting's latest release, "Brand New Day." At times schizophrenically disjointed, at others brilliant in it's weaving of styles as disparate at jazz and country, world beat and swing, rock and Arabic plainsong. Your overall impression of this album is going to depend, in large part, on what you're expecting. If you're looking for another "Soul Cages" or "Nothing Like The Sun" -- you'll probably hate it. If you're hoping for a return to, and deeper study of some of The Police's forays into exotic styles, you'll like the first half of it. If you'd pay a top dollar for a concert with Maynard Ferguson, Ladysmith Black Mambaso, William Orbit, Prince and Garth Brooks sharing the stage -- you'll probably like the whole thing. Don't give up too soon ... Sting's classical background and penchants for jazz chord voicings to accent Bach's harmonic progressions are here. There's an edginess to the playing and singing that have been sorely lacking in his more recent efforts. The best of it can be found on the first four tracks. Each succeeds in combining electronica, jazz and more standard Police elements. The mixing is quite clear, no small feat considering the density of the instrumentals. The train derails at "Perfect Love ... Gone Wrong" ... which starts well enough with quite lovely muted trumpet playing by Chris Botti. But for some unknown reason, two rap sections in French are randomly inserted, featuring, as far as we can tell, "Cheb Mami". The effect is one of inserting the chorus of "helter skelter" into a Cole Porter swing ballad. It just doesn't work. After a brief return to the edgy grooving in "Tomorrow We'll See", things go from bad to worse. The supposed 7th cut is timed at only 19 seconds, and leads into the 8th track "Fill Her Up." Starting life as a Sons of the Pioneers country swing duet with James Taylor, the song devolves into a synthy gospel choir hymn, then develops a third jazz personality to finish up. "Ghost Story" follows, and has the same multiple personalities, but they all seem to play well with each other. End it up on the single and title cut, which sticks out in contrast to the alternate daring and failed experimentation of the rest of this collection. Overall grade: B- Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:56:13 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Libra Sun NJC My Dad is a Libra - he turns 80 (!!!) on Saturday. Happy Birthday, Dad! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:48:55 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > Have you ever noticed how the trailers before the film are even > louder than the film itself? And the little ads for Dolby sound and Digital > THX and so on just about blow your ear-drums out! My little boy has very > sensitive hearing and he always cringes when these things come on - I once > had to take him out of a movie because it was too loud. The managers don't > seem to take a complaint of that kind very seriously - they'll give you a > refund or a replacement pass for another show, but do they turn the sound > down? Nooooo! We're all going to end up deafened by this kind of stuff. > Time to take out my poison pen and write a scathing letter to those > responsible... I know exactly what you mean, Catherine. One of the symptoms of my illness is an often severe sensitivity to noise. Mostly things like construction work, lawn-mowers and DIY power-tools, but it can be just about anything during bad spells. It must be so hard for your little boy to have the same kind of sensitivity, and the experineces you say you've had at the cinema are the very reason I don't go to see films in that enviroment. I agree about the trailers....you can hear them from inside the auditorium as you come down the corridor before the film proper is due to start. During quiter moments of a film, you can often hear the other movie/trailer playing along or across the hall. The last film I saw at the cinema (The Avengers) went right through me so badly, that I could literally feel the impact on my chest and inner organs. It was so loud that the sound was actually distorting...so much for quality Dolby surround. Even the best sound systems aren't designed to blast out at that level, surely? Who wants to hear distortion? I didn't even bother complaining...I just wanted to get outta there quickly and let my shattered system recover. I couldn't possibly think about seeing something like The Phantom Menace, for the crowds as well as the noise. I stick with my Home Cinema set-up, which allows me to constantly adjust the volume, and I really do mean constantly. Dialogue often requires the volume to be twice as high as when there are the sound effects. I like the warmth of surround-sound, though, and the 32" screen. Small TVs with their tinny, shrill sound aren't good for my hearing either. > I've read that the average film is aimed at 15-year old boys. I think it's > an insult to 15-year old boys. They're not all morons! LOL.....I'm sure the world's population of 15 yr-old boys are delighted to hear you say that. They might make you their poster girl! (j/k) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:04:46 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Blair Witch (NJC) Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > By the same token, soundtracks can be an integral part of a film (American > Graffiti) but you can rapidly discern when the movie exists for the > soundtrack instead of the otherway around. I really don't care for "generic" film scores, with their telegraphed thundering, booming, exploding peaks and troughs. They come in various guises...there's the action-type one, the drama one, and the comedy one. They are so predictable, and detract more than they provide a suitable backdrop. I also get tired of movies using a selection of 40s or 50s songs to intimate emotions. You've Got Mail was - unfortunately - extremely guitly of this, and spolit a decent film. It might've been cute 10 yrs ago in Harry Met Sally....but purlease! So many of my favourite movies have intelligently-used music very much at their core....The English Patient, Sliding Doors, Heat, Three Colours Red/Blue, Sliding Doors, City Of Angles and Romeo & Juliet. In those cases, I really feel the music adds something to all of them. Jason, who also loves a good foreign movie from time to time... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:08:39 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ally McBeal NJC Catgirl wrote: << YEA! I was listening to Ally McBeal which had my sis in law on it and a Joni song came on. Both Sides Now! All I can say is YEA! Cat... >> Hey Catgirl I can't remember if you mentioned this back in May when you first told us about your sister-in-law on Ally McBeal, but is she going to be a returning character this fall? I sure hope so. She was a hoot! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:18:51 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: the dead little green thread 7th. i think i may have started some of the mixed feelings about the thread with my question...do y'all think she has forgiven herself. I stood away after that because i perceived that my question had been read differently than i had meant for it to be read. what i meant to say in that question was not that she needed to do that, nor that her actions required that. more simply that i had deduced from my experience of her music that at some points in her history, she struggled with the longevity of that decision, and ultimately, that added to her character and grace as an artist. i would see her like a 7th chord, which has a natural dischord in its center. a tri-tone that doesn't work with out a clash of sound. but the notes that come before and after that clash, make the chord in total not only acceptable, but rich and beautiful. so when the adoption story played out, the dischord of her decision in the mid sixties was made whole and rich and bore the markings of a true miracle. the unfortunate thing about that is that one can't get to see that beauty with out having to look directly at the ugly which is inherent in the story, but is also part and parcel with the overall beauty and grace of her life. in this case of this thread, i think it is worth while for every one to look closely at the whole story and see what joni has done with her life because it benefits us all to view it. i did sense some discomfort and maybe defensiveness surrounding the thread and i think my original question about her self forgiveness may have led to some of that and perhaps a better choice of words may have helped there. but then at the same time, if you don't see her struggle, or if you understate the awkwardness of her earlier decision, you may not see the brilliance of her resolve either. and 7th chords always lead to resolve. ss ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #437 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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