From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #436 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 436 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: HELLO JMDLs/How many: first search was Joni Mitchell ["P. Henry" ] Re: Libra Sun NJC [waytoblu@mindspring.com] A friend of Joni [Leslie Mixon ] Sterling Waters, NJC [Bounced Message ] RE: Libra Sun NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Libra Sun NJC [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Mingus (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Harry's House - > dealing with naughty cats - NJC [LLDeMerle ] Blair Witch (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: James Taylor song & Joni? [luvart@snet.net] BSN cover [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: new music & movies (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: David Bowie Eurythmics & SNL (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #209 ["Daniel F. Carey" ] Joni music on Ally McBeal [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Harry's House - > dealing with naughty cats - NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: WTRF [MGVal@aol.com] Re: BSN cover [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: James Taylor song & Joni? NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: Mingus ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Jonatha + (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) [Deb Messling ] WTRF [Michael Paz ] RE: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] mingus and pazfest 2000 njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO ["Kakki" ] Re: mingus and pazfest 2000 njc ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:14:52 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs/How many: first search was Joni Mitchell <<...just 1995, when I first got access to the web. How many of you started up your first search engine with the name Joni Mitchell? now *there's* a thread! I can honestly count myself as one, though I didn't get online until 10/96 when I was of course greeted by JM.com. I must say, it was in pretty fine shape by then... unbenownst to me, JMDL was just about to start and, as you know there was the cafe forum. (memorialized by Joni with her huge cup of java sitting at a cafe table on the JMDL hp) (brilliantly, I might add) I posted similarly to my first post to this list back in december: "Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:22:39 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #510 From: "P. Henry" hello and holiday greetings to all, I'm Pat (aka: P. Henry) originally from the Detroit area and I'm brand new to this list. I posted once to the cafe 2 years ago before this mailing list existed, ( but have not been back to the site for some time) starting off: "the last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." as, indeed it was... I was friends with, employer of, co performer with, jam session buddy of, sound/light man as well as sometime bodyguard for (as well, of course, as HUGE fan and admirer of) and even loaned my D28 to Joni at times in '66-'68 in the Port Huron/Detroit area. I just want to say hi to all of you and say how great I think this site is... Wally, thank you! pat" as you say, 'When you love someone like Joni she either commands your full attention or you have to let her go completely. There is no in between.'... strangely, no one responded to my post and that's exactly what I did... 'other things intruded' and, for couple years all I ever did was browse JM.com occasionally, never giving a second thought to the discussion forum. I'd even written a longer note to wallyB with no result, but of course I was unaware of his health problems at the time. at any rate, since I (re)joined I 'haven't been able to put it down'. <<...just when I had given up hope some guy out in San Francisco started his deep blue website and I was in heaven!!! How many of you remember when Wally first started up his site and the bio sections were slowly being constructed like a great monolithic sculpture. I would log on every morning to see the updates and read every section like it was a novel I couldn't put down. Every time a new photo would come up I would squeal at my desk and my office mates would look at me like I was a madwoman. AH those were incredible days. I can't thank Wally enough for the unending JOY that site brings me to this day. It's a masterpiece.>> this is such a great story! wally! you da MAN! *much* thanks to both wally and les for giving us so much of themselves and expanding and enhancing the beauty of Joni the way they have, and also to the 'founding members' and contributors credited on JMDL and JM.com... ;o) I know terry was there at the start too... c'mon you 'oldtimers'! show of hands! it's founders day! let's hear about the pioneer days of the sites! <> this is *so* well said, suze! interesting how you tie your relationship with the sites and the list to your relationship with Joni herself... and especially true to the musicians onlist! how many of us have said things here we would love to share with Joni herself? ...or asked? well, *I* could go on and on also, but I think that's enuff or now... * pat NP: Little Wing - Sting http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:25:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Libra Sun NJC Well, spring IS here: temperatures are already in the 60's and everybody's showing signs of some kind of allergy, either sneezing or scratching or choking on the pollen. I am suddenly reminded that the sun has entered Libra! I know of only two Libra listers: Roberto and Bob Muller. Who else out there is a Venus child? I'd like to wish you all a very happy Libra Sun, the last stop before Joni's birthday. And all of you born under Capricorn, Aries or Cancer beware: the Libra Sun can spell trouble. WallyK, in an oracular mood today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:38 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Libra Sun NJC >>Libra! I know of only two Libra listers: Roberto and Bob Muller. Who else >out there is a Venus child? I am a Libra and proud of it. I just turned 30 on Sunday. Victor NP: Emmy Lou Harris-Portraits ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:41:06 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: A friend of Joni The Old Man and I went to a music festival yesterday which was headlined by the Doobie Brothers (other musical guests were Ray Wylie Hubbard, Fred Eaglesmith, Derek Trucks Band & The Radiators). Steve was wearing his "Siquomb" t-shirt. All of a sudden a gentleman comes up to us and says, "I noticed your t-shirt and I've just got to tell you that Joni's my favorite artist! Right on! Right on! for wearing that shirt." We talked a bit more, he plays music and does some of Joni's songs. He's never checked out JM.com or JMDL.com but we inspired him to do just that. After he shook both of our hands I said, "A friend of Joni is a friend of mine." I wish you could have seen his smile. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:52:42 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Sterling Waters, NJC From: "Alan Larson" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:41:40 -0000 I had the unique opportunity of hearing Sterling Waters play at Java Joe's in beautiful and scenic downtown Des Moines last Saturday night. He is now off touring the Southwest... his schedule is posted on his web page. He has the kind of personality I had hoped to see from the likes of Lightfoot and others who by the time I saw them in concert were merely letting their music do their talking for them. He sang a song called Nobody Home which spoke of the alienated sheltered lives people live in cities like Minneapolis where he grew up. His guitar playing is described as stylistically percussive... and also plays harmonica on some of his songs. If you are interested in checking him out, he has a web page. www.sterlingwaters.com I would highly recommend him both for good lyrics and for interesting vocal and instrumental qualities. Thanks. alan@isunet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:26:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Libra Sun NJC So HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VICTOR! are you really way too blue? WallyK - -----Original Message----- De: waytoblu@mindspring.com Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Lunes 27 de Septiembre de 1999 15:53 Asunto: Re: Libra Sun NJC > >>>Libra! I know of only two Libra listers: Roberto and Bob Muller. Who else >>out there is a Venus child? > >I am a Libra and proud of it. I just turned 30 on Sunday. > >Victor > >NP: Emmy Lou Harris-Portraits > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:51:23 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Libra Sun NJC I was blue today because the weekend was so incredible. We completely transformed my friend's backyard with lights and candles and had awesome music, shadow dancers, chiminea's shooting out flames underneath the full moon. I think I crawled off to sleep around five in the morning or so and then woke up around ten and proceeded to have a cup of coffee and whiskey. "God preserve us and protect us, We've been drinking whiskey for breakfast" Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:19:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mingus (NJC) JESS wrote >NP: charles mingus --- better git it in your soul. > ( Antibes jazz festival, july 13 1060. ) Wow, I knew Mingus was an old guy, but not THAT old! If he played Antibes in 1060, do you suppose he went over to England for the Hastings fest in 1066? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:29:48 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: Harry's House - > dealing with naughty cats - NJC Don't be silly! No harm done. She bit me just for brushing her, yesterday. :S L At 01:31 PM 9/27/99 +0000, Catherine McKay wrote: >In response to my suggestion about pulling a cat's tail, I must admit what >a jerk I am - you definitely SAID Maine Coon, but I was thinking Manx (no >tail, therefore, nothing to pull.) > >Well, that went over like a lead balloon. > >Sheesh. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:28:02 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: Death of a Thread NJC HA! I have a friend who has *13* I went for 11 years without cats and don't know how I did it. L At 09:56 PM 9/26/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/26/1999 9:48:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >de_merle@iagora.com writes: > ><< > Thanks, Penny, I did get a nice handful of private emails, song lyrics, > chords and even URLS for others' cats' picture son the web! Cats deliver > instant popularity, I see. :) > > > >> >Oh yes there are a few Cat Lovers here on the list. I for one have 9 yes 9 >kitties and I love them all so much. Yep, another thing I love about Joni is >her love for her kitties! >Catgirl LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:43:42 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Blair Witch (NJC) I thought Blair Witch was great, and I hope it is a sign of things to come in the movies. Let me explain... no special effects ... no booming soundtrack to telegraph every emotion we were supposed to feel.... (no soundtrack at all, the movie worked in silence other than just a few sounds, and the actors speaking) pure story, no artifice... plus, I really enjoyed the movie. No blood, no gore, no slash, just story. There was not a thing in the movie itself that was scary; it was what was off-screen that was frightening. I think Blair Witch is a work of genius, actually, but of course everyone likes different movies or I'd never be able to get tickets to see the movies I like. For those who disliked Blair Witch, it must have been really disappointing since those of us who like it tend to really like it. But for everyone, love the movie or hate the movie, I hope the trend catches on of no soundtrack, no special effects, as I am so tired of the big budget special effects screaming sound system cinematic events that pass for movies these days... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:32:19 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: James Taylor song & Joni? At 08:21 AM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >Which makes me wonder how many others on the list are just like me. >Joni is the only one I have ever really paid close attention to all the >lyrics of all the songs. Other artists, maybe a few songs of their's I >really ponder, but no one else have I ever taken to heart for their >entire catalog like the Joan. > For me, the only other person besides Joni would be Mary Chapin Carpenter. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:20:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: BSN cover A nice cover of Both Sides Now is performed by Vonda Shepard in tonight's episode of Ally McBeal, or at least the first verse. I think this may be a rerun. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:19:25 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: RE: new music & movies (NJC) At 10:28 PM 9/25/99 -0400, patrick leader wrote: >sean connery or his hot twin brother wrote: > >>Me'shelle Ndegeocello - Bitter >> > >what a beautiful, fascinating album! more than one jmdler is falling in >love with it. i played it for heather riding back from ashara's. there >were many discussions that weekend about dianne reeves' new album with the >cover of 'river'. Yes, Yes, Yes!!!! Thanks to Patrick I am now in financial trouble 'cause I went and purchased a ton of new CD's! ;-D My Dianne Reeves' "Bridges" came with a bonus CD with a nice version of 'Ain't Nobody's Business(if I do)". Me'shell's 'Bitter' is so moving. "Faithful" hit home for me ... the little cuts "Adam" and "Eve" have a haunting call to them. Then "Satisfy" ... simply beautiful. A very intimate CD indeed. Heather np: Lost Horizon - Todd R. (I LOVE this song!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:28:42 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: David Bowie Eurythmics & SNL (NJC) At 06:44 AM 9/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >Bowie was on the SNL 25th anniversary show last night. He did look >pretty goofy standing there with Jerry Seinfeld. I didn't think their >schtick was too funny (I don't really like Seinfeld). They showed a >clip of Bowie performing in a lovely skirt and high heels. The >Eurythmics were also on. I was kind of disappointed that they did a >greatest hits medley but they did make it kinda bluesy and Annie >Lennox was burning up the stage. What a voice! What a singer! > ARG! I taped this show and forgot all about it!!! I'm watching it tonight! well.... after I do my homework :-) Heather - who is so lost in time and catching up reading about 300 posts. I'm wondering if the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:37:23 -0400 From: "Daniel F. Carey" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #209 << A fellow new lister and guitar novice was asking for songs to start in with and Coyote was recommended as it is a strumming piece. My take on that is, lots of luck! >> =========== To the guitar novice- If wanting to play in open tunings, I'd start with songs like Big Yellow Taxi and Both Sides Now. There are lots of "plain" barre chords and you can fudge much of the rest of the parts that sound a bit intricate by just sticking with with those barres and holding on to them longer. Both of these can be strummed, too. Another starter would be The Circle Game. Terry ================= Try Chelsea Morning - works easily in Open G - just need to run that two-finger formation up and down to run the melody - you get to play all the way up to the 12th fret, but it is really easy to do. It requires one barre (at 5) momentarily. I picked that up a long time ago when my skill level was much lower - and still caught on to it in a couple of days. Great fun. DC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:57:48 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni music on Ally McBeal YEA! I was listening to Ally McBeal which had my sis in law on it and a Joni song came on. Both Sides Now! All I can say is YEA! Cat... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:35:23 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House - > dealing with naughty cats - NJC In a message dated 9/27/1999 9:34:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << In response to my suggestion about pulling a cat's tail, I must admit what a jerk I am - you definitely SAID Maine Coon, but I was thinking Manx (no tail, therefore, nothing to pull.) Well, that went over like a lead balloon. Sheesh. >> HEY wait a minute!!! I just got a MANX kitten and he does in fact have a tail. True it is only about and 1/2 inch long but never the less a tail. I like playing with his tail. It is so cute. He always goes after the other cats tail. I guess he must know he does n't have one so he makes due with theirs! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:00:41 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF Bob and Sue and Kakki have pointed out Larry things on WTRF: << I think his influence on WTRF was the fact that he was making Joni very > happy and it shows in her performances. >> I look at it as their own personal "court and spark" album. Without recounting another "Chris the Alien" tale, the first hours I had this album were spent pouring over the liner notes and the paintings. The inside of the album has a VERY exuberant looking Joni wedged against Larry. As a matter of fact, it almost looks as though each body, (his and hers), were "cut and paste" from different paintings. It's a Larry/Joni Woo-ing Album, for sure. MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:11:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN cover In a message dated 9/27/1999 9:23:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << A nice cover of Both Sides Now is performed by Vonda Shepard in tonight's episode of Ally McBeal, or at least the first verse. I think this may be a rerun. Paul I ----------------------- Headers ------------- >> Yes it is a rerun and yes my sis in law is Ms. Camaro!! It is so cool that the one Alley McBeal show has my sis in law and a Joni song!! How cool is that??? Catgirl whooo-hoooo! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:10:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor song & Joni? NJC In a message dated 9/27/1999 8:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << Which makes me wonder how many others on the list are just like me. >Joni is the only one I have ever really paid close attention to all the >lyrics of all the songs. Other artists, maybe a few songs of their's I >really ponder, but no one else have I ever taken to heart for their >entire catalog like the Joan. > For me, the only other person besides Joni would be Mary Chapin Carpenter. Heather >> Francis Dunnery has GREAT lyrics and he is right up there with Joni in my opinion. I highly recommend his latest lp *Let's go do what happens* or *Fearless*.*Tall Blond Helicopter* is great too but the latest one LGDWH, is superior!!! GO TO THE STORE AND BUY IT!!!! YOU WILL BE VERY GLAD YOU DID!!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:11:32 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) heather wrote a bunch of cool music stuff about me'shell and dianne r. and then >np: Lost Horizon - Todd Rundgren. (I LOVE this song!) > woohoo!!! the patrick leader propaganda train rolls on. i made a todd tape for bob muller, who claims to love the music but owns a shamefully small amount. the tape came out good and i dubbed one for heather, another todd fan who didn't collect in the '80s, when his brilliant 'accapella' came out. accapella is an album that was recorded using only todd's voice, manipulated in various ways. when he toured the album, it was a live show with 11 back-up singers, some tape loops and no other instruments. he was not in great voice when i saw the show, but i still loved it. 'lost horizon' had already become one of the most important songs of my life, and it remains so. it sounds like a lament for a lost love affair but it is certainly more. this verse makes the difference: i had always believed that you and me were connected by destiny but the time never came (it sounds so lame) is it all just my vanity? am i the only one to feel the sun exactly the way i do? when you sang how you felt, i told myself maybe one day i'd sing with you this verse says so much about my relationship with music over the years. hearing something in the lyrics that makes you know that some distant rock star has felt something like you feel. imagining that he or she is speaking directly to you, which is of course ridiculous (but we secretly believe it). fantasizing singing with him or her; sharing some part of your soul, as a soul has been shared with you. i tell you, i've seen plenty of that on this jonilist and i respect it. and when todd toured this show, he used this song to open a medley of marvin gaye songs (gaye had just died). the rock star wrote a song about the fan's point of view and then cast himself as the fan, in the live version. it was one of the sweetest, most beautiful moments i've ever experienced in a concert. so i'm super happy that heather is falling in love with 'lost horizon' patrick np - jane siberry - lips ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:27:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Libra Sun NJC woke up around ten and proceeded to have a cup of coffee and whiskey. > >"God preserve us and protect us, >We've been drinking whiskey for breakfast" > >Victor victor, whiskey for breakfast? you-are-a-libra!!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:40:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mingus > I don't have Mingus yet, and the only song I've heard is "The Wolf that > lives in Lindsay" because I bought the "Hits" and "Misses" CDs before I > realized you could actually still buy some of the older stuff on CD. i must > admit i had to listen to the Wolf quite a few times before I began to > appreciate it musically. One day not too long ago, while listening to it, > it all began to make sense. There was an actual pattern of verse and > refrain and so on that struck me quite suddenly - and I do want to get the > whole CD now. But I can see how it wouldn't be for everyone, and there is > no point trying to force yourself to like something just because someone > else thinks you should. I wanted to respond to this partly because I've been wanting to post something about 'Mingus' and partly because, to me anyway, 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey' is not representative of 'Mingus'. It is one of two songs on the record that Joni wrote both the words and the melody for, the other being 'God Must Be a Boogie Man'. The rest are Charles Mingus's melodies that Joni wrote lyrics for. The two songs that Joni wrote both words and music for are the only two guitar based songs on the album. Although they fit the record thematically they do not sound like the rest of the tracks on 'Mingus'. The rest rely on the interaction of Jaco's bass, Herbie Hancock's electric piano, Wayne Shorter's soprano sax and the percussion contributions of Peter Erskine, Don Alias and Emil Richards for the backup sound that accompanies Joni's vocals. This record may be the most ensemble based album that Joni has ever made. The form is jazz and jazz is very much dependent on the inspiration of each individual player and how they interact. It's hard for me to imagine Joni 'directing' these musicians by humming or singing what she wants them to play. Mingus's melodies are very complex and the music has a very moody sound to it. I would describe it as impressionistic - it has that soft, slightly out of focus quality to it. 'The Drycleaner from Des Moines' is the exception - it is very upbeat and uptempo with a melodic line that twists & turns & really gives Joni a vocal workout. Lyrically 'Mingus' has some spectacular turns of phrase. From Goodbye Porkpie Hat: In the sticky middle of the night Summer serenade Of taxi horns and fun arcades Where right or wrong Under neon Every feeling goes on For you and me The sidewalk is a history book And a circus Dangerous clowns Balancing dreadful and wonderful Perceptions that have been handed Day by day Generations on down There are recognizable melodies and verses to the songs but as I said, they are very complex. You probably won't find yourself humming them absent-mindedly - at least not until you've listened to them 20 or 30 times. They are very beautiful melodies, some of them quite hauntingly beautiful. 'Chair in the Sky' comes to mind. Getting back to 'The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey' it is one of my very favorite Joni Mitchell songs. The way the guitar pings and shoots around with the weird percussion sounds in the background gives it an eerie, cold, menacing effect that perfectly matches the lyrics. And Joni sings it masterfully, wailing the high notes like a Hollywood Hills banshee. The wolves howling in the background complete the feeling of something predatory that is hiding out in the cold and the dark, waiting.... 'God Must Be a Boogie Man' is a great expression of Joni's everpresent theme of yin & yang and the balance between the two. It is witty, earthy and elegant all at the same time. Thematically it is a most appropriate opener for this record. The record as a whole sounds very much like it was painstakingly thought out & put together after much trial and error. As a result it maybe doesn't have the spontaneity that it should have. I think Joni was very anxious about the whole project and tried very hard to make it a worthy tribute to the genius of Charles Mingus but still remain true to her own artistic vision. Not an easy task. The few songs from 'Mingus' that she does on 'Shadows and Light' really benefit from the immediacy of live performance and come to life in a wonderful way, especially 'The Drycleaner from Des Moines'. Although I don't listen to this one very often I do think it's a beautiful record. Maybe not the great statement she meant it to be, but impressive, none the less. As far as her singing is concerned, I think she did pretty well at testing her chops on authentic jazz for the first time. But I think her present day life experience and smokier voice have made her much better at singing jazz now than when she recorded 'Mingus'. Just my opinion. So if you don't have 'Mingus' and you're sitting on the fence about whether or not to buy it or you only listened to it a few times and decided it wasn't for you, may I gently suggest that you do get it and if you already have it, give it another try. It is truly a labor of love and I'm sure it was a tremendous learning experience for Joni. Joni uses just about everything she learns along the way so you can hear echoes of this record in subsequent albums if you listen carefully enough. Well I can, anyway. My two cents. Mark in Seattle (who kinda feels like Sue McNamara - all of Joni's albums are 5 stars - it's just that some are 5.1, some are 5.8, etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:45:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) > Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > > My only comment after seeing this movie was to my boyfriend: "I was going to > > tell you about the time I saw the worst movie ever made, and now I don't > > have to." > > > > This movie (I hesitate to even call it that) was excruciating. Not a scary > > moment in it. If you like watching three teens bickering, swearing, and > > crying and are frightened by bundles of sticks, then this movie is for you. > > I couldn't agree more. The most over-hyped movie of the decade. > > Jerry > Ok, so I agree that this movie was way over-hyped and not nearly as scary as it was supposed to be. But I do think it was very clever and awfully well done. I can see how some people might think the whole thing was real. The actors were *very* convincing, imo. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:57:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jonatha + (NJC) Hello All- Geez how the heck did I miss Jonatha Brooke? I just got the Live CD today and I am blown away so far! I am only on the third song and I love it. All you music sluts out there have been keeping her to yourselves huh???? ;-) It was a crazy day today. I started the day doing a sound gig for Bill Clinton and Bill Jefferson (a local Demo running for Gov). He really is quite an engaging person up close. He came over and shook hands with me and my krewe. I also got a call to do sound for Motorhead on Weds at HOB (YIKES!) I hope my sound system survives that one.++++++ I have guaranteed VIP seats for YES at HOB on October 25. Yipppieeeeeeeee! I also just got a call from a fellow lister that I am helping to buy a VG-8 (and he's buying a Parker Fly on his own the lucky stiff). I guess I will let him reveal himself on his own. Michael NP-Always-Jonatha Live (Thanks Bob!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:10:57 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: 'blair witch' (NJC) After leaving the theater, I was grousing that the movie was overhyped. But when I got home, I was scared to death by my own lilac bush. Really! >Ok, so I agree that this movie was way over-hyped and not nearly as >scary as it was supposed to be. But I do think it was very clever and >awfully well done. I can see how some people might think the whole >thing was real. The actors were *very* convincing, imo. > >Mark in Seattle Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:26:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: WTRF Bob wrote: " I think his influence on WTRF was the fact that he was making Joni very happy and it shows in her performances." Bob I have to agree with you on this one. I had to jump in on this thread cause I really love this record. My wife and I were newly in love when it came out. Chinese Cafe holds a deeper meaning for me than almost any other song. I have always thought that a really good _ _ _ _ can make even the biggest sour puss happy. Freda always liked Love and Be Cool on the record. I likes them all. Rock on Joan (oh wait I think we're gonna get Jazzy on the next one) That's ok with me too. Just keep playing darling. Love michael NP-Because I Told You-Jonatha Brooke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:30:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: todd rundgren, more proselytizing (NJC) patrick, what you tell about this guy sounds so appealing. i've never heard his music. i want to get the a ccapella album. it sounds very much like the kind of stuff i like to do. is lost horizon another album or a song on a cappella? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:31:24 -0700 From: shari Subject: I WUB JOAN, TOO To John who wubs Joan: I can't get enough of Lucky Girl ("never loved a man I trusted...far as I could pitch my shoe"), but never much liked too many other songs on DED until Joni played Three Great Stimulants at the taping of PWWAM in Los Angeles-free of all that producing, she sure showed me. By the way, did Three Great Stimulants make it onto the video PWWAM? Shari Excellence is but a habit. We are what we repeatedly do. Aristotle, I think. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:47:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mingus and pazfest 2000 njc yesterday i decided that i will do mingus in its entirety in new orleans. dry cleaner remains a cappella, but i need marian to relinquish her wolf and boogie man, and on top of that, to accompany me. how do you feel about that marian? is there any chance that michael and/or chuck will work with me on this? i'll need a band that's f--ing willing to jam? i'm totally committed to doing at least three standards too, including something cool and one of david's mother's tunes. roberto? come on, guys, let's start talking sets here. wallyk, mood swinging to delusional now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:41:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I WUB JOAN, TOO Shari wrote: >but never much liked too many other songs on DED until Joni played Three Great Stimulants at the >taping of PWWAM in Los Angeles-free of all that producing, she sure showed me. By the way, did >Three Great Stimulants make it onto the video PWWAM? Shari, the gang who were there missed meeting you! I agree - her performance of the Three Great Stimulants that Friday night completely stunned many of us. Unfortunately, that song did not make it onto the video. (Boy I wish we could get ahold of the "outtakes" version) I hope you are able to obtain or view of copy of it soon. And when you do, please let me know if you appear in the audience, and your location for my next Joni project of identifying all the jmdler's in attendance! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:55:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: mingus and pazfest 2000 njc Wally K wrote: > yesterday i decided that i will do mingus in its entirety in new orleans. > dry cleaner remains a cappella, but i need marian to relinquish her wolf and > boogie man, and on top of that, to accompany me. how do you feel about that > marian? is there any chance that michael and/or chuck will work with me on > this? i'll need a band that's f--ing willing to jam? i'm totally committed > to doing at least three standards too, including something cool and one of > david's mother's tunes. roberto? come on, guys, let's start talking sets > here. > wallyk, mood swinging to delusional now Go Wally!! LOL. In fact, I had you in mind today while working on my own delusion, I mean, planned Astrud Gilberto/Lani Hall/ Nara Leao set for Pazfest ;-) Unbelievably, in all of L.A. there is no place that has Brazilian sheet music other than one Antonio Carlos Jobim fake book! Since we have a very strong Brazilian/Latin community here and numerous clubs, I asked one guy incredulously why they didn't carry the sheet music. He said "the Brazilians already know all the music." Geez, I guess they're born with the beat. So Wally, if you have any suggestions, I'd sure appreciate them! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #436 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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