From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #431 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, September 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 431 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: HELLO JMDLs ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: HELLO JMDLs [Susan McNamara ] Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: HELLO JMDLs ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's father, II ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Joni Sleeves ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Harry's House ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: HELLO JMDLs ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Harry's House [LLDeMerle ] Re: Joni's father, II [MGVal@aol.com] Ethiopia [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: HELLO JMDLs [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Ethiopia [LLDeMerle ] Re: Joni Sleeves [catman ] Re: Ethiopia [catman ] Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece NJC [catman ] The Ice Storm (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni Sleeves [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni Sleeves [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ~~Tips For Photographers ~~ NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re JT's New Tune [pmeyer ] Re: Re JT's New Tune ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:17:39 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs Sue, as a fairly recent lister, how long HAVE the jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com websites been around? I knew about them a few years ago, but didn't have access to the internet until maybe two years ago, so guess where I went first? Same place as you - I tried the search engine route, where everyone else was keying in the word "sex" (sheesh, how predictable!), then a friend told me about jonimitchell.com. I feverishly read everything on jonimitchell.com I could get my hands (eyes?) on. I actually signed up for the jmdl list once before, but took my name off because I didn't think I could handle it (I'm still not sure I can, but it's a habit I now find hard to break - watch me get fired for all this messin' around on company time! But boss, it gets the creative juices flowing! I have SO much more energy now than I used to!) I am SO impressed with all the work that has gone into both of these sites - I haven't quite assessed the depths of jmdl.com yet, apart from reading all these posts on my e-mail. I CANNOT get over not just the amount of stuff that's in there, but the artful presentations thereof. All those guitar tabs make my mouth water - I want to go out and buy another guitar just for playing Joni music. And I really appreciated the Joni photos and your picture that you sent out to the list the other day - how DID you do that? I'd best be off before I explode - my joy cannot be contained! LOVE and HUGS and KISSES too to all the Joni soulmates! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:26:51 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs At 7:17 PM +0000 9/24/99, Catherine McKay wrote: >Sue, as a fairly recent lister, how long HAVE the jonimitchell.com and >jmdl.com websites been around? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Wally launched the JM site August 1995 and Les launched the JMDL August 1996. >I CANNOT get over not just the amount of stuff that's in there, but the >artful presentations thereof. All those guitar tabs make my mouth water - I >want to go out and buy another guitar just for playing Joni music. > I am ashamed for overlooking another resource in my early surfing trips. One site that truly blew me away was the OLGA (on line guitar archive) which introduced me to the amazingly talented Howard Wright and his meticulous Joni guitar tabs. My first Joni song in alternate tunings was Howard's version of People's Parties. When I strummed the first chord I felt like a fairy godmother had tapped me with her wand and instantly made me a good guitar player -- IT SOUNDED SO AWESOME! The rest was history (or have I said that too many times today!) Also, I then discovered on Wally's site Jim Leahy's list of tunings which was like finding a treasure map. THANK YOU HOWARD AND JIM!!! >And I really appreciated the Joni photos and your picture that you sent out >to the list the other day - how DID you do that? > I'm really good with an etch-a-sketch!! :-) Have a great weekend everyone!! Take care, Sue PS If you really want a lost weekend, start reading the articles on Les' JMDL site. I've spent many hours reading great, great Joni interviews there. She likes to talk! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:42:19 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame (NJC) Mark replies: << I certainly didn't mean to put Lucy in the same category as Roz. 'Auntie Mame' is one of my all-time favorite movies. The film version of the musical 'Mame' is a bust which is too bad but it's mostly due to the miscasting of Lucy in the title role. >> Oh Mark, I couldn't agree with you more on both counts. Lucy (as much as I liked her) ruined the film version of "Mame". And you have also mentioned one of my all time favorite camp movies "Auntie Mame". To me that movie inspired the likes of "La Cage aux folles" and non-musically "The Bird Cage". When any of my friend that aren't familiar with the movie "Auntie Mame", I tell them it's like a straight, non-musical version of "The Bird Cage". Rosalind Russell does such an excellent job in portraying Mame, and Peggy Cass as Miss Gooch LOL, and my favorite role Joanna Barnes as the preppy girlfriend Gloria Upson.........well she is just *TOP DRAWER*........ Sorry to ramble on about this old movie, but when Mark mentioned it I just had to give my 2 thumbs up. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:33:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs Catherine, Count me in as typing in "Joni Mitchell" as my first search term when I hooked up to the internet. I found both Joni sites that night and spent the next several hours gleefully poring over both. I didn't join the list right away but did read the archives and felt like I'd found a wonderful little lost tribe of kindred spirits. Sue wrote: > PS If you really want a lost weekend, start reading the articles on Les' > JMDL site. I've spent many hours reading great, great Joni interviews > there. She likes to talk! Boy, does she ever, and she is always fascinating and compelling! I've spent hours reading the articles and interviews but always seem to uncover yet another new gem. It's a treasure trove. Kakki NP: Big Yellow Taxi, complete with Dylan verse - Paz, ChuckE, Pearl, Me somewhere in New England ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:16:23 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni's father, II Mary says, "And I was going to state that this now constitutes my shortest e-mail ever in the history of the JMDL, but of course, the one I sent a few minutes ago was--and of course, I can't let things go with a one-word answer. ;-)" And I say, "Mary! Are you sure you aren't ME? I can't seem to keep it simple either!" Then you said, as I change from the 3rd to the 2nd person here, "The impression Joni has given me over the years of her father, in songs and interviews, is of someone substantially more spontaneous and "live and let live" in his general attitude than her mother. I seem to recall that he was a member of the Canadian military forces (Air Force?) during World War II, and met, wooed and married Joni's mother in the space of a month. Of course, maybe this suggests that Myrtle herself may be a bit more spontaneous than Joni often gives her credit for!" It certainly seems that way - "Papa's faith is in people; Mama, she believes in cleaning". I never realized until I read it here, that the "Tealeaf Prophecy" is the story of Myrtle and Bill. I wonder if Myrtle's carefulness with regard to everything else is a way of making up for the spontaneity of marrying Bill so quickly? I wonder if she regretted it? It doesn't seem so though - "The Tealeaf prophecy" seems to be a fairly loving look at this couple, despite Myrtle's apparent fear of bringing another child into this world. ("Hiroshima cannot be pardoned. Don't have kids when you get grown.") You'd almost wonder whether a lot of Joni's worrying about her mother's reaction may have been more self-imposed than coming from the mother, except then in "Happiness is the best facelift", you get her arguing "For God's sake, Mama, I'm middle-aged!" when Myrtle objects to her being "shacked up downtown with Donald, making love without a license" and asking "Did you come here to disgrace us?" You'd think poor Myrtle would have lightened up after all this time, yet here she is, still worrying about her "wild seed" daughter as if she were still 16. "She tells of bringing her boyfriend at the time, Don Alias, home to Saskatoon..." The guy's name was Alias? I bet he must have had a tough time explaining that to anyone! Tata for now. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:23:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Joni Sleeves Paul wrote: "Ethiopia, to my ear, is about as bereft of human emotion and memorable melody as the Ethiopian desert is of water." And Lou, lamenting, responded: "Oh Paul, Oh Paul, "Ethiopia" made me break down and weep the first time I heard it" What I wonder is Paul, if you hate it so much, why put yourself through it over and over again? (I know - sometimes with some of Joni's stuff, you have to hear it a few times before it grabs you.) I will say though, that I didn't get that much out of "Ethiopia" either, although, in all honesty, I have it on vinyl, the record player broke, so I haven't heard the album in years. At the time, I thought the song might have been written because it was almost expected at the time that writers comment on the international scene. Not that I would normally expect this of Joni but I somehow found the song a bit "false". Maybe because aat the time, everyone was doing "Aid" songs like "Do they know it's Christmas over there?" and "We are the world" and all that, in which every famous person and his/her dog participated, to the point where it started getting ridiculous. Certainly not my favourite album, but it still had some good stuff on it. But if you think it sucks, why would anyone want to talk you out of it? (Stop listening to it, OK? Put it on hold for a year or two, then try it again and see if you still feel the same way.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:29:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Harry's House >Any advice with Maine Coon Cats? One has come to live with us >and...although a very sensitive spirit, she can be very fussy and >belligerent. Hmm - have you tried pulling her tail? Whoops, that wouldn't work. (Just kidding - I do NOT pull cats' tails, even those Maine coons!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:32:37 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs >I am ashamed for overlooking another resource in my early surfing >trips. >One site that truly blew me away was the OLGA (on line guitar > >archive)which introduced me to the amazingly talented Howard Wright >and >his meticulous Joni guitar tabs. My first Joni song in >alternate tunings >was Howard's version of People's Parties. When I >strummed the first chord >I felt like a fairy godmother had tapped me >with her wand and instantly >made me a good guitar player -- IT >SOUNDED SO AWESOME! The rest was >history (or have I said that too >many times today!) Also, I then >discovered on Wally's site Jim >Leahy's list of tunings which was like >finding a treasure map. >THANK YOU HOWARD AND JIM!!! To which I can only add, ditto, and AMEN! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:53:09 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: Harry's House Heh. I dun't think she would 'preciate that. Her feelins' would git hurt. :( L At 08:29 PM 9/24/99 +0000, Catherine McKay wrote: >>Any advice with Maine Coon Cats? One has come to live with us >>and...although a very sensitive spirit, she can be very fussy and >>belligerent. > >Hmm - have you tried pulling her tail? Whoops, that wouldn't work. (Just >kidding - I do NOT pull cats' tails, even those Maine coons!) > > > >cateri@hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:33:38 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's father, II In a message dated 9/24/99 9:31:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << hen, of course, there's the portrait of her father the emerges from "Let the Wind Carry Me," where he seems to appreciate and encourage the songwriter's "wilder" or less conventional side ("he says, 'leave the girl alone, mother / She's looking like a movie queen"). >> Speaking from semi-experience, (meaning that's not quite what my dad said), it could also be a "leave the girl alone," because he just doesn't like the battles and discord, not because he appreciates and encourages the less conventional side. In whatever way you view it, I, too, find it interesting that J's father is not dealt with as much in her lyrics. Side note: It's great to see you actively back on the list, Mary! I've missed you! MG - thankful, thankful, thankful that it is Friday and I'm out of the clutches of Bruno, the auditor...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:40:39 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Ethiopia First speaks Paul I.: << > Then LL: >>Or maybe I'm overanalyzing and you just think it sucks. >> Which reminds MG: I think that Sandra Bernhard used the song "Ethiopia" in one of her comic routines. Something along the lines of "Joni Mitchell has never left Malibu and yet....." MG - also not a big DED fan, but likes "Ethiopia," "Impossible Dreamer" and "Lucky Girl" cuts from that album..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:47:04 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece NJC In a message dated 9/24/99 10:04:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << I did see the film "The Ice Storm" and yes, I found it depressing. I really don't think people need to be that way, but our society is so geared to material and financial success that the emotional and spiritual side is often left wanting and, as a result, so many people end up that way. There's a lot of pressure but I still believe people have free will and can choose to change their lives, even if it's only by one small thing at a time. >> My daughter, who shall remain nameless on this list, pushed me to watch "The Ice Storm." Signe raved about this movie and although it took me three days to watch it, (my attention span for the TV screen stinks), I thought it was an excellent movie and really captured how, for lack of a better word, suburbia gets its hooks in you and steers you off any paths that lead to introspection and enlightenment. Financial and material pressure can seem to fuse blinders on our souls and make it easier to placate our spouses and children with more, more, more without paying any attention to potential soul drought. I agree 100% that people have a choice and that they CAN change their lives. Suburbia just breeds the feeling that things should be tied up into neat packages and life, of course, is never that way. Choices and changes can often cause hurt, anger and resentment. Which are never reasons not to change, just more challenges for one's chosen path. Geeze, give the gal a glass of afternoon wine and she's sprouting off at the mouth something fierce!! MG - thankful for spillchick this afternoon..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:57:21 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: HELLO JMDLs In a message dated 9/24/99 1:03:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Count me in as typing in "Joni Mitchell" as my first search term when I hooked up to the Internet. >> Ditto over here! I got my first PC the winter of '94 and "joni mitchell" was the first thing I punched in. I constantly put joni reference items on Prodigy's music discussion boards to no avail and finally stumbled on Wally's site not long after it was put up. I can remember a kind of "guest book," that you could sign or leave comments and I can remember having a couple of e-mails exchanged w/ other Joni fans. There was a break in PC action and then I was back up and was thrilled to find the jmdl in existence! I can no longer imagine my life without it! MG - planning to shut up and take a nap real, real soon..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:08:43 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: Ethiopia At 06:40 PM 9/24/99 -0400, MGVal@aol.com wrote: >First speaks Paul I.: > ><< melody > as the Ethiopian desert is of water.>> > >Then LL: > > >>Or maybe I'm overanalyzing and you just think it sucks. >> Um. As much as I appreciate the recognition, I'm sorry I cannot accept the award since... Idin'tsayit. :S Tx anyway, L LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:09:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves As I have said many times, I love DED. I also like Ethiopia. However, it doesn't seem to fit on this album-it seems to be the odd one out to me. As for Mingus-well i own it just to make my collection complete. i have listened many times, trying to l.ike it, but to no avail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:16:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Ethiopia > > > I think that Sandra Bernhard used the song "Ethiopia" in one of her comic > routines. Something along the lines of "Joni Mitchell has never left Malibu > and yet....." I saw Ms Bernhard here on a program where people get to choose their favourites songs/videos. She chose FOUR Mitchells and basically said as far as she was concerned Mitchell was GOD and no one but no one could hold a candle to her talent. I think this means she likes her. > > > MG - also not a big DED fan, but likes "Ethiopia," "Impossible Dreamer" and > "Lucky Girl" cuts from that album..... - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:29:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece NJC We attempted to watch The Ice Storm twice and failed. Yes people do have choices. However choices are not easy to make. it takes courage to go against popular opinion, to aschew the things everyone else thinks are important, to insist on being yourself. In some circumstances to do so can be very dangerous. People want to be liked, to be accepted by the group. People are not made to be alone. To be a part of the group, one has to conform. The idea of not being accepted is concisously or unconciously terrifying to people. The need to be liked and accepted is very strong. However, once a person begins to be themselves, the fear lessens and the self respect and esteem that comes from being oneself is worth much more than being part of the crowd. And far from bringing aloneness, it brings true and honest friendships with others who also are on the road to being who they are. In the end though, we are alone. We each are responsible for our beliefs and our actions and we, and only we, reap what we have sown. Far better to live an honest life, with few friends, than to be loved by everyone and be nothing inside. Success is being kind, compassionate, at peace, loving, honest, tolerant, giving etc. no matter how successful one is at say writing, music, law, doctering, nursing, rubbish collecting, being a postman, whatever, without the first lot it all amounts to nothing but shit. In the end all that will matter is how you loved. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:06:12 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: The Ice Storm (NJC) From a purely artistic viewpoint, it's an excellent film. Uncomfortable viewing at times, but brilliantly acted, evocatively brought to the screen, and surprsingly unflinching for a Hollywood movie. If I were to make any comment on the subject matter, I would have to agree with everything that's been said already. It seems quite common that people either find it heavy going, or else don't like it at all. It looks great on DVD, too. Video does not do the cinematography justice. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:41:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: was Bette Midler, then Mame (NJC) and my favorite role Joanna Barnes as the > preppy girlfriend Gloria Upson.........well she is just > *TOP DRAWER*........ > > Sorry to ramble on about this old movie, but when Mark mentioned it I just > had to give my 2 thumbs up. > > Jimmy I cahn't tell you how please I am to read your email, Jimmy! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:43:26 PDT From: "Ben Mulvey" Subject: re : That picture on 'For the Roses' Scott wrote "The following quote is from an interview Joni gave for Rolling Stone magazine, July 26, 1979, regarding the nude photograph from FTR... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ "I remember my mother putting on glasses to scrutinize it more closely. Then my father said, "Myrtle, people do things like this these days." Which was a great attitude." OK, I've gotten over my shock now ;-) Interesting , I came out on Myrtle's side! Well I hate blue eye shadow too.... but more on taste grounds than morality. I've been listening to FTR quite a bit over the last few days and its strange that although i've had the CD for well over a year - I've never really got into it before - now it seems perfect. I've noticed this before - I need to grow into some Joni albums and it takes a while before they work their magic on me. Though having said that when I got WTRF my initial reaction was real disappointment, sort of along the lines of - 'how could this be Joni....' I'll have to revisit, maybe it just needs the time to be right as it is for FTR now Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:59:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves In a message dated 9/24/1999 12:46:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << "Ethiopia" made me break down and weep the first time I heard it. And the second, and quite a few thereafter. Every time I hear it (hundreds), I still get goosebumps. It's one of the most emotional songs I know of. >> Yep I agree! You really have to just sit down and really listen to that song. It truely is a masterpeice! I was massaging one of my client firends ( her name is Toni and yes I am a professional massage Thearpist for over 10 years and I played the demos for her along with some bonus tracks. While I was listening to Sweet Bird I got goosebumps all over. I just love the lines..All these vain promises on beauty jars...somewhere with your wings on time you must be laughing.. I love Joni Mitchell music! Duh...don't we all! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:02:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves Paul I writes: << Ethiopia, to my ear, is about as bereft of human emotion and memorable melody as the Ethiopian desert is of water. Each time I listen to DED, I enjoy it less and less. Paul I >> Well Paul, if you want to get rid of your DED cd, I'll gladly trade you for my P.J. Harvey cd since there still hasn't been any takers :) Just kidding, even though DED is your least favorite Joni CD, I know you still need it for your JM collection. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:09:30 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece In a message dated 9/24/1999 1:04:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << Evian, you say that (to you) "Both Harry and the Wife are unsympathetic, and the "When will you be home, Harry?" seems to me to be the stereotype of the nagging wife yelling at the "Trapped" husband. However, ole hubby is no saint, it works both ways." >> nope have to disagree with you there. I personally think that the wife IS the villian here. The last line states.....shining hair an shining skin, shining as she REELS him in....to tell him like she did today just what she could do with Harry's house and Harry's take home pay. This pretty much tell me that she is just there to spend his money and that alot of people of suburbia are all just plastic and fake. That is why I love this lp so much. Being a concept lp dealing with different people who live in suburbia on the fringe of a city is such a great idea. I have lived in the suburbs all my life and see alot of these women who meet with each other to talk about there window treatments and the wallpaper. They stay at home with hubby's money and spend it on their hearts desire. I am not saying this is wrong just an observation however, I think she is trying to give us all an inside look about the way people really are. That is what I love so much about Joni is that she lays her cards on the table!! Catgirl desperately trying to make sense! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:22:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: ~~Tips For Photographers ~~ NJC http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/camerabag/hottips.html - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:18:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House & HOSL In a message dated 9/24/1999 1:47:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << On the subject of Joni's singing of "Centrepiece", Mark said: "That's a neat take on it, I never heard the sarcasm in Joni's vocalization, just the "prettiness" of it," and Paul replied: "I don't think "Centerpiece" is sarcastic so much as a flashback to a happier time for the woman, who had high expectations for her love and life that have not come to pass." >> interesting! I thought that it was HIS flashback since she says...He drifts off into the memory of the way she looked in shcoll with her body oiled and shining at the public swimming pool..then it goes into the dream sequence. BUT is she just leading him on??? (The more I'm with you pretty baby the more I feel my love increase, I'm building all my dreams around you, our happiness will never cease) Then it has her screaming at the kids and complaining about the sofa and how nothing is any good. So much for the happiness never ceasing! Catgimrl realizing that this is truly another Joni MASTERPEICE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:49:33 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's father, II Mary, Thanks for the info on Bill! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:50:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor song & Joni? In a message dated 9/23/1999 11:58:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << "I see it in the surface of her skin, there's been a baby within; Given away in love. I see it in the little lines around her eyes, across her brow-- She'll be drifting away from me now. " >> Now what song on that LP is this line on?? I pulled out the lp but it keeps skipping and it is driving me NUTS!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:53:34 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Let's run away (NJC) In a message dated 9/24/1999 1:21:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Hey, can we all get a big old bus like the Cowsills or the Partridge Family and run away together and take traveling Jonifest on the road. I'm ready to go now. Kakki NP: Terry - Electricity >> I wanna go too! I knew I was born in the wrong era! RATZ!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:07:02 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor song & Joni? In a message dated 9/24/1999 10:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << Now what song on that LP is this line on?? I pulled out the lp but it keeps skipping and it is driving me NUTS!!! >> Is it titled New Tune? I forgot! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Death of a Thread From Les's intro letter we all receive when joining the JMDL: <<"Jimdle" - a member of the unmoderated discussion of anything and everything related to the life, art, music, and times of Joni Mitchell. You are one of approximately 600 individuals subscribed to the list. We are generally a mature, thoughtful bunch who are mostly supportive of Joni and her work. However, that does not mean we are a bunch of starry-eyed fanatics either. We tend to be appreciative yet curious - critical yet fair - but always tempered with a deep respect for arguably the greatest songwriter on the planet.>> From what I've read, the "Little Green" thread easily stayed within all the above criteria. And refreshingly remained respectful in responding to the opinions of the other participants, as well. LL DeMerle wrote in the post titled "Drawing The Line": <> I agree with this statement. It's the choice of the writer to what he/she decides is proper to convey based on the readership of the list. (For evaluation of intended readership, see Les's intro above.) The choice to read or delete a thread or post author is always available to the reader to choose. Gina wrote in her post titled Little Green, Blue and possibly Red: <> Let me ask a few questions. 1 Does Joni know of the JMDL (yes) 2 Is Joni permitted to join the JMDL and post to the list? (yes) 3 Has Joni written about her daughter, her relationship with her mother and her father in her art? (yes) 4 Has Joni given interviews discussing the birth and subsequent relinquishment of her child? (yes) 5 Does it say something in itself that she has yet to complain about our discussions' contents to us on-list?.... 5A. or the post author privately? 6 Has Joni shown she has a difficult time confronting those she feels are being disrespectful to her? (Doesn't appear to be the case throughout her career, early, mid or currently. Isle of Wight, Amnesty International, 1998 Indiana concerts are all public examples.) 7 How do you suppose Joni feels about having suggestions placed on her about what she should or should not write, discuss or read? I know I'm no rocket scientist, having only a year or so more formal education than Joni herself, but maybe I'm missing the point in why some chose to take issue with the Little Green thread, effectively ending that discussion. I don't know if others that participated in the thread suddenly felt they were being deemed a sleazy voyeur, insensitive or disrespectful towards Joni, but that was the implication I felt took place. I've waited a few days before responding so I wasn't thought to be writing out of emotion, but what it was like was to be at a party and some in a discussion announced they had become uncomfortable with the content and the rest of us were suggested it would be proper to "shut up out of respect". (I suggest some of the other threads and outbursts be remembered that have taken place on this discussion list, that bears Joni's name, without a flinch on-list.) This post is titled, "Death of a Thread." Could a sequel at a later date be titled "Death of a Loved Discussion List" if a reminder to use the delete key is not heeded when a minority is uncomfortable with an active thread's discussion content. Respectfully, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:18:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House/Centerpiece NJC In a message dated 9/24/99 7:13:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << I have lived in the suburbs all my life and see alot of these women who meet with each other to talk about there window treatments and the wallpaper. They stay at home with hubby's money and spend it on their hearts desire. I am not saying this is wrong just an observation however, I think she is trying to give us all an inside look about the way people really are. That is what I love so much about Joni is that she lays her cards on the table!! Catgirl desperately trying to make sense! Cat, You make perfect sense, although I see Colin's point as well. It takes two to tango. The woman takes advantage of the man's earning potential and he allows it. Neither of them make any effort to become more fully realized people. My best friend works in a bit of an upscale salon in Cherry Hill, NJ, and the stories she tells about materialistic women AND men make my head spin. Nearly every patron of that place is a ripe candidate for Harry's House. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:25:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Death of a Thread I've waited a few days before responding so I wasn't thought to > be writing out of emotion, but what it was like was to be at a party and > some in a discussion announced they had become uncomfortable with the > content and the rest of us were suggested it would be proper to "shut up > out of respect". I didn't participate in this thread but I did read all of the very thoughtful and intelligent posts and I didn't get the feeling that anybody was trying to stop it. Some people did make their feelings of discomfort with the subject known but I honestly didn't think they were trying to censor anybody. All the posts I read seemed to be very respectful of the high level that was maintained during the whole discussion. People expressed opinions but I don't think they were meant to tell anybody what they should and shouldn't post. I thought they were just expressing what was right or wrong for them. It took the discussion in a different direction about celebrity and privacy and I found that just as interesting as the original subject. (This post is titled, "Death of a > Thread." Could a sequel at a later date be titled "Death of a Loved > Discussion List" if a reminder to use the delete key is not heeded when > a minority is uncomfortable with an active thread's discussion content. I don't think the situation is as dire as all that. Certainly we've come a lot closer to meltdown than this and we've survived. Was there a specific comment or post that caused you to feel this way, Penny? I'm not trying to discredit you or flame you. I just don't understand where this is coming from. With all due respect, Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:47:49 -0700 From: pmeyer Subject: Re JT's New Tune CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/23/1999 11:58:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: > > << > "I see it in the surface of her skin, there's been a baby within; > Given away in love. > I see it in the little lines around her eyes, across her brow-- > She'll be drifting away from me now. " >> > Now what song on that LP is this line on?? I pulled out the lp but it keeps > skipping and it is driving me NUTS!!! > Catgirl On One Man Dog, "New Tune." (It's always been one of my favorite non-Joni songs.) There's a short audio blurb of it on CD now, but it has only a small part of the lyric in question. Paul M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:38:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re JT's New Tune Paul wrote: > > Now what song on that LP is this line on?? I pulled out the lp but it keeps > > skipping and it is driving me NUTS!!! > > Catgirl > > On One Man Dog, "New Tune." > (It's always been one of my favorite non-Joni songs.) D*@%, I had One Man Dog on an 8-track that is long ago and faraway melted and disintegrated ;-( > There's a short audio blurb of it on CD now, but it has only a small > part of the lyric in question. Nooooo, stop me before I charge some more ;-) Kakki, going to look for the local 12 step Music Buyers Anonymous chapter NP: Little Green - WallyK and Marian ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #431 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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