From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #424 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 424 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Artist's songs for their children NJC [evian ] Joni tongue-twister birthday wish [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Little Green [Deb Messling ] Album Covers ["Jamie Zubairi" ] memoirs ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Joni in the tabloids ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Joni in the tabloids ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Little Green (JM interview excerpt from R/S) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Little green blue and possibly red [Ginamu@aol.com] References to Myrtle ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Little green blue and possibly red [Ginamu@aol.com] RE: Here we go again..... [Martin Giles ] Re: References to Myrtle [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Bette Midler (NJC) part two ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni Sleeves [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: Joni Sleeves [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Album Covers [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: References to Myrtle [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] memoirs [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Here we go again..... ["Catherine McKay" ] **Keith Davis**??? (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] RE ["David Greenspoon" ] RE: Joni Sleeves ["David Greenspoon" ] Re: Album Covers ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Bad acid (NJC) [catman ] Re: oops!! no s--t! NJC [catman ] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [catman ] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [catman ] Re: Joni Sleeves [dsk ] Re: Joni Sleeves [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Joni Sleeves [dsk ] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni Sleeves [dsk ] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [catman ] Diana Ross Arrested NJC [catman ] New Tom Rush Comp (vljc) [Jenaya Dawe ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:34:13 -0600 From: evian Subject: Artist's songs for their children NJC > I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can > anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their > children?) > I remember that that Motley Crue guy had some song about his daughter who died, and Amy Grant had "Baby, Baby" for her daughter, but I am not sure if she wrote it. And Lauryn Hill's "Zion". Evian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:54:15 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Joni tongue-twister birthday wish Betcha can't say "blackboard blind" ten times in a row! (Singing it is also a challenge!) My Joni birthday wish is that all JMDLers give Ray's Dad's Cadillac another chance. Marian Vienna NP: Ray's Dad's Cadillac - Joni's most under-appreciated song! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:01:09 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Best Album Covers (non-Joni) Cocteau Twins - Victorialand Harry Connick, Jr. - Blue Light Red Light Manhattan Transfer - The Offbeat of Avenues Michael Feinstein - Sings Irving Berlin Michael Franks - Dragonfly Summer Everything But The Girl - Love Not Money Best Album Covers (joni) Hissing of Summer Lawns Taming The Tiger Wild Things Run Fast ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:25:25 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Gotta go! NJC Dear Joni friends who wrote to me last night/yesterday - Gotta go pick up my little girl from school and take her to the doctor (nothing serious!) - hopefully will be able to reply to you all tomorrow - Until tomorrow, many many thanks to all who sent birthday greetings - it was very heartwarming and I appreciate it very much! Love, Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:03:32 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Little Green Just to put my cat among the pigeons on this point: Re reading the 1979 Rolling Stone interview on her maternity Joni was asked by Cameron Crowe You hold Giorgia OKeefe as an ideal. Yet there she is in her nineies, living in the middle of the desert with only her art. She has no children. It seems like it could be a lonely life... (and the reply was) That's the part about it. I don't know, really, what your choices are. Obviously there's a constant battle with me. Is my maternity to amount to a lot of black plactic? Am I going to anually bear this litter of songs and send them out in the marketplace and have them crucified for this reason or that... CC: Or praised. JM: Or praised. Let's not get lopsided about that. I certainly get my fair share of appreciation. You know in a few years, I'll be past a safe childbearing age. I don't see many women raising children successfully alone, and as yet I haven't been able to bond with a man who I could see myself with in constant company for the next twenty years that're necessary to do a good job of that. I would take the job seriously. I wouldn't just frivolously get pregnant and bring a child into this world, especially a world that has such a difficult future as the one we're facing. Also, the children of celebrities have been notoriously troubled. But when it comes to the business of raising children, I *finally* feel emotionally stable enough to deal with it. It's taken me this long, but it maybe something that's denied me. It may be one of my little regrets in my old age. I still leave the uture open, and given the right relationship, even if it had the a potential longevity of, say, *six* years, I might do it. (end of segment) I have tried to take that question in as much context as poss. I'm sure that knowing what we know now it must be a way of putting people off the scent of things like Little Green and Morning Morgantown. It must've been painful for her to say such things for the sake of protecting the people she loves. But it kinda sidesteps the whole point of Little G. Just a note. Self Indulgence To Self Denial Man To Woman Scales To Feathers You And I Eagles In The Sky You And I Jamie Zubairi - - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:30:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Little Green Thanks for posting the RS excerpt, Jamie. I've thought about that conversation, too. I\it sounds to me as if you feel Joni was being dishonest in the interview. I would say evasive, maybe, but in talking about having children, I think she was clearly talking about *raising* a child, which she (of course) never did. And in saying that she would never frivolously get pregnant, I imagine she was thinking about women who suddenly decide Gee! I want a baby! without thinking about the responsibility. Although as an aside, I'm not sure how many women really think like that. At 10:03 AM 9/22/99 GMT, you wrote: >I have tried to take that question in as much context as poss. I'm sure that >knowing what we know now it must be a way of putting people off the scent of >things like Little Green and Morning Morgantown. > >It must've been painful for her to say such things for the sake of >protecting the people she loves. But it kinda sidesteps the whole point of >Little G. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:32:49 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Album Covers Just to defend DED. The version that we've got is actually the version the record co wanted her to put out. Originally it was an amazing painting, mainly in blues and really rich colours of hundreds of dogs. those of us on the list lucky enough to live in the UK have seen the BBC special on her and her paintings made at the time of DED where she showed her paintings. Geffen said that 'It's been a while since they saw your mug' on an album. I guess they wanted a photo, 'cuz I thought WTRF was just as good as a photo. What we're left with is a cover that really reflects the songs inside. We know that we're not in for an easy ride. My personal faves are: TI HOSL Mingus Blue TTT Hejira I guess I prefer the painted ones to the photo'd ones, coming from a painterly background myself.... much Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:36:51 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: memoirs This has bugged me for some months now. I was told that Memoir was coming out in June, then August, then September now December, along with a spoken word version. What is going on?!?!?!?! I went to Waterstones and they said that there wasn't a publishing date for it yet. Also another book called Autobiography but i think they were getting things mixed up. Any official word Wally B? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:44:28 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni in the tabloids Someone on the list didn't know about the 'Joni and The Kicking Maid' incident. In the early Eighties, Joni has a Cuban maid (or Colombian or something..) who was asking Joan for money to go back to her homeland to see her aging/ailing mother. Joni loaned her this for a while but then found out that she was actually taking the money and going on holidays to foreign places and having a great time. When Joan confronted her about this things got a little het up (I expect) and Joni kicked her in the shins. The maid then sued, Joni counter sued etc etc etc. The song The Windfall came about because of this. You said Elvis gave them cars You think I'm cheap And you're hard done by Look you live here like a star Rent free suite Big blue pool that you sun by Trips to tropic shore Clothes from fancy stores You want too much You want too badly You want Everything for nothing Hope this clears up anything that people mayn't know. I think Joni won the case or they settled out of court or something. Much more Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:44:24 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni in the tabloids Someone on the list didn't know about the 'Joni and The Kicking Maid' incident. In the early Eighties, Joni has a Cuban maid (or Colombian or something..) who was asking Joan for money to go back to her homeland to see her aging/ailing mother. Joni loaned her this for a while but then found out that she was actually taking the money and going on holidays to foreign places and having a great time. When Joan confronted her about this things got a little het up (I expect) and Joni kicked her in the shins. The maid then sued, Joni counter sued etc etc etc. The song The Windfall came about because of this. You said Elvis gave them cars You think I'm cheap And you're hard done by Look you live here like a star Rent free suite Big blue pool that you sun by Trips to tropic shore Clothes from fancy stores You want too much You want too badly You want Everything for nothing Hope this clears up anything that people mayn't know. I think Joni won the case or they settled out of court or something. Much more Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:15:57 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Little Green (JM interview excerpt from R/S) In a message dated 9/22/99 3:06:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jamie_zubairi@hotmail.com writes: << I have tried to take that question in as much context as poss. I'm sure that knowing what we know now it must be a way of putting people off the scent of things like Little Green and Morning Morgantown. It must've been painful for her to say such things for the sake of protecting the people she loves. But it kinda sidesteps the whole point of Little G. >> I dunno. I have to disagree. I think that it is less throwing people off the scent of things like Little Green and more just a case of MYOB. Remember the lines in "Cherokee Louise?" "going out you get the 3rd degree....?" She gets that from the press, as well. And when she said what she had to say in "Little Green," that is a legitimate "end of the line" for her. No further comment needed. I don't think that she was being dishonest or defeating the purpose of LG. It must be a very difficult juggle between being true to one's self and protecting one's self when you have a career that constantly has people, (ie interviewers, or dare I say, list members!!!), asking "why why why why why why?, (can you explain that again?), why?" I don't envy her one iota. MG np morning coffee - where's the delivery service???? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:36:22 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > Billy Joel - Baby Grand Are you sure? I always thought this was about a piano ;-) > XTC - Pink Thing, Chalkhills and Children LOL...well, Chalkhills yes....but Pink Thing????!!!!! Tell me you're not serious, Bob! :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:21:38 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Jenaya Dawe wrote: > > Help!!! > > I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can > anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their > children?) > > any other suggestions??? the first ones that come to mind are : Billy Joel - Lullabye (Goodnight My Angel) Howard Jones - Sleep My Angel Hue & Cry - Peaceful Face, She Makes A Sound BTW, wasn't Eric Clapton's boy called Connor? Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:29:59 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Kakki wrote: >A friend in college in Phoenix (where they started out) insisted I get that >Buckingham Nicks album soon after it came out. It's a great rare album. I >still have it in mint condition. I found this in a tiny "seedy-looking" second-hand record shop about 8-9 years ago, and the guy behind the counter said I was lucky to find it. I can't believe he was selling it so cheap after saying that (I think it was about NZ$5 - about US$2.50). I immediately taped it (so as not to wear out the vinyl!), and have worn out about three tapes since. What a great album! I recently watched the VH-1 special (they're doing a series of them here at the moment) on Stevie Nicks and she was talking about how nothing much happened after the album's release and she was thinking of heading back home to go to college etc., etc. Then she and Lindsay got THE call from Mick Fleetwood and the rest is history! If you like/d Rumours and like Stevie Nicks, then find a copy of this album immediately - some absolutely amazing songs - and the best version of "Crystal" I've ever heard! In case you haven't guessed, I've got a thing for Stevie too! How can she look so good at 51! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:52:14 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) CSNY - So Far (I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet - painted by our own SIQUOMB, and absolutely captures the personality/lifestyle/background of each member perfectly, ie. Crosby - Ocean, Stills - Mountains, Nash - City, Young - Plains) Fleetwood Mac - Rumours Janis (Big Brother & THC) - Cheap Thrills Mamas and Papas - If You Can Believe Your Ears and Eyes (how on Earth did they all fit into one bathtub!) Stephen Stills - Illegal Stills And Joni: Hejira HOSL NRH TI TTT Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:50:47 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Little green blue and possibly red In a message dated 9/21/99 11:01:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Colin- I think this is a very intelligent post. I don't really care what it was that she meant by her songs, although it is fun to daydream about what she might have meant, but as for discussing it in this forum, I cannot. I do treasure the way her songs make me feel and how they sometimes change as I get older and hopefully wiser. My skin crawls when I think of alot of the discussion being our there for her children and grandchildren to read. >> And this post really magnifies my own feelings. I love this discussion group and my understanding of the *art* has been enhanced greatly on songs such as Don't Interrupt The Sorrow (incredible posts focusing on the song as art, not so much on the intensely personal decisions Joni has made in her life) as well as the thread that Bob and Kakki (largely) intelligently participated in a while back. The Little Green thread just struck as somehow different in that the very fine details of a highly personal and painful decision on Joni's part was being discussed and second-guessed to an extent that I found uncomfortable for the reasons Michael mentioned above: do Joni or her daughter read some of these posts. I guess I'm just a very private person myself. I wish everyone had the experience of participating in a discussion list where the artist herself reads every post and occasionally posts herself. I'm on the Undertow, the Suzanne Vega discussion list. It's been an education. People are very free to discuss the art but they had better be prepared to hear from the artist when she is discussed! There is also much off-topic discussion and it gets heated. Suzy herself has done her share of flaming! Though given a choice between the two lists, there is no contest. The JMDL is by far the most intelligent, creative and welcoming discussion group out there! Again, I can only be myself and in doing so I will express my thoughts and feelings as honestly as I can. It is never meant as an indictment of this list, especially after having met some of you. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:02:15 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: References to Myrtle Since we've been talking about Joni's relationship with her mother, I thought of a new thread - if anyone wants to play! Songs that have a reference to Joni's mother, father, or both. Here are a few (your starter for ten!): In France They Kiss On Main Street - "amour, Mama, not cheap display" Let The Wind Carry Me - "Mama thinks she spoilt me rotten, she blames herself, but Papa he blesses me" etc. Facelift - "For God's sake, I'm middle-aged, Mama" etc. Any more? Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:00:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Little green blue and possibly red In a message dated 9/22/99 7:55:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << as well as the thread that Bob and Kakki (largely) intelligently participated in >> I forgot to mention that the thread was Court And Spark as a song cycle. It was an excellent thread. GIna, in a hurry as usual ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:24:10 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: RE: Here we go again..... My Mum (who is a great Joni fan) told me at the weekend that she always imagined Joni and companions at the Chinese Cafe playing Mah Jong... Down at the Chinese Cafe We'd be spittin' on our dice... Martin. > Bob admits: > > However, even with the additional information, my interpretation of Joni's > work doesn't change much, just like when I sing a wrong phrase...even > though I know she's singing "Lead Foot Melvin", I'm gonna sing "Liquid > Melvin" every time! :~) >> > > Oh, no. Not AGAIN!!!! It's NOT "Liquid Melvin????" > > Hugs, > Ashara {who does not DARE to read any Joni lyrics for fear that she has > mondegreened EVERY SINGLE SONG Joni has ever written, or thought of writing!} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:31:50 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: References to Myrtle In a message dated 9/22/99 5:02:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Any more? >> Dreamland: "six foot drifts on Myrtle's lawn...." MG - going to work now, really. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:10:35 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs In a message dated 9/21/1999 4:42:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peter.holmstedt@telia.com writes: << The musician, his wife, Susan, and son Will, 19 >> Not to diminish the sadness of this news, but isn't it interesting that Graham has a son named Will? Wasn't that Joni's nickname for him, or did everyone call him that? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:22:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) <> The particular recording I was listening to was recorded live in Arizona in '85, I don't think it had Clayton & Hawkins on it. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "They'll Need A Crane" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:27:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Bette Midler (NJC) part two > Do you recommend her album called GYPSY? Is this similar to Ethel > Merman's? > If you like musicals, get it. This is the soundtrack from her TV version of the musical 'Gypsy'. I never liked Merman and I think Bette was incredible in this film. Better than Rosalind Russell in the first film version and much easier on the ears than Merman who was the original Mama Rose on Broadway. Bette's versions of 'Everything's Coming Up Roses', 'Some People' and the finale are true show-stoppers. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:34:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves Debra said of the DED cover: <> First off, great post, Debra! And don't get me wrong, I wasn't LOL at the cover per se, just the fact that David said it was his *least favorite* cover...I actually like it OK for the reasons you stated. I'm also intrigued by the wolf looking at the car wreck...I think it harkens back to "Coyote" who runs a little roughshod but also ties in with "The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay" and the darkness in men's minds...It's very difficult to drive past a car wreck without being tempted to look, I think the wolf looking at the wreck symbolizes that little dark corner in each of us that looks at the "wreck" with no intent to do anything about it. This also mirrors some of the themes of the songs on DED: Fiction, Three Great Stimulants, Tax Free, Dog Eat Dog, Ethiopia echoes some of that same idea. Bob NP: TMBG, "I'll Sink Manhattan" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:39:29 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) I have a couple favorite album covers of all time. Whos Next: all the boys annointing the concrete monolith Ogdens Nut Gone Flake: The Small Faces (before Rod Stewart when they were really good) A round album cover that unfolded into nfive round psychadelic pictures. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:51:13 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Joni Sleeves <> Wasn't Joni in a car accident about the time she was recording DED? Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:50:36 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Album Covers <> Jamie, I think you're speaking of the "Whistle Test Extra" that shows her creating the painting...if so, this has been given to the video powers-that-be to tree. A lot of us saw it at Jonifest '99. It was courtesy of Philip in Ireland who claims that he got it when he chased some leprechauns to their pot o' gold...:~) Bob NP: TMBG, "Birds Fly" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:56:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: References to Myrtle << Songs that have a reference to Joni's mother, father, or both.>> "Mama & Betsy say, 'find yourself a charity'" (Song For Sharon) "With their tassled teams they came to McGee's General Store" (Paprika Plains) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:16:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: memoirs This is what I found in Books In Print: Authors, etc.: Mitchell, Joni Title: Memoirs Status: Active record Published: New York : Crown Publishing Group, Incorporated, 1999 Projected publication date: May 1999 Language: English Subjects: SINGERS--BIOGRAPHY ISBN, format, price: 0609600060 Trade Cloth USD 27.50 Retail Publisher record number: 00007172 Copyright: BOOKS IN PRINT (r), (c) R.R. Bowker, Reed Elsevier Inc. Jerry np: Aspects of Webber ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:19:36 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) CaTGirl wrote:> >[it's] a shame that they don't make LP's anymore so you can see >such rich >color and details.....those pics on the CD's are so tiny and then Jason replied: >Many of the sleeves I listed were of a period when vinyl was still >widely >available. You are so right about CD booklets taking away >much of the >impact and detail of colour and texture afforded >by 12" vinyl sleeves LP covers were an artform unto themselves and CDs can't match that for visual impact - not to mention the tiny print that old fogeys like me can't read without a magnifying glass! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:23:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Judy Collins - Born to the Breed Her only child, a son, committed suicide at age 31. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:21:34 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: *Memoirs* by JM In a message dated 9/22/1999 2:57:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << On Sept. 8, I ordered this book from www.barnesandnoble.com They said they would contact me within 1-2 weeks if the title is not available and they still haven't contacted me! I just thought maybe other people might like to try to order it. Memoirs Joni Mitchell Our Price: $27.50 Special Order: Ships 3-5 weeks Format: Hardcover ISBN: 0609600060 Publisher: Crown Publishing Group Pub. Date: May 1999 Please note: This title needs to be ordered directly with the publisher and usually ships within 3-5 weeks. There are occasions where the titles may go out of print or the publishers may no longer carry stock. If we cannot fill your order, we will notify you within 1-2 weeks. >> I also ordered this book and received an E-mail from them stating that the book was not available at this time and they were canceling my order. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves I was just gonna stay right out of this one, but what they hell? >With DED the one cover I really just DONT care for!!! >> > >Dang...poor old DED can't even score point for its cover!! LOL! > People have been ragging on Joni for the bad do and the crappy album cover (not to mention the beastly "Smokin'" song, but I ain't going that way again! :) For its time and for what was going on then, the cover of DED was pretty typical and, amongst the typical, pretty darn good - better than most. There's Joni in a fuzzy photograph, looking like she's stomping up and down having a hissy fit of some kind, looking angery with that bad do (but the bad do fits in with the "angry" theme, doesn't it?) and all that scratchy crayon stuff all around her and the dogs/wolves. Fits in very well with the type of stuff on the album, so of its kind, it's a good cover. So there. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:46:43 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Here we go again..... >>However, even with the additional information, my interpretation >>of >>Joni's work doesn't change much, just like when I sing a wrong >> >>phrase...even though I know she's singing "Lead Foot Melvin", I'm >> >>gonna sing "Liquid Melvin" every time! :~) >> >Oh, no. Not AGAIN!!!! It's NOT "Liquid Melvin????" >Hugs, >Ashara {who does not DARE to read any Joni lyrics for fear that she >has >mondegreened EVERY SINGLE SONG Joni has ever written, or thought of >writing!} I might as well 'fess up now and get it over with. Even if you DO read the lyrics, you don't always hear them the same way. I always thought she was saying she was "hoarse with travel fever" rather than "porous with" - or is it the other way 'round? Whatever, it made sense to me. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:02:12 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: **Keith Davis**??? (NJC) Gina wrote: >I'm not sure if anyone's already mentioned this one: The Pretenders' Show Me >The Meaning (I think that's the title of it, but you know the song I mean) >was written about the child Chrissie had with Keith Davis. **Keith Davis**??? Oh, Gina, for shame! :) How could you mess that up - it was Ray Davies, St. Ray to you. One of the best songwriters on the planet. I hereby sentence you to sing "Waterloo Sunset" continuously, all day, in your head.... "But I doooooon't feel afraaaaaaaid...." ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:15:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Songs for children: - - Cathy's Waltz (or Kathy's) by Brubeck (I think!) - - Little Seahorse by Bruce Cockburn There's also one by Johnny Mercer (the lyrics anyway, I don't know about the music) called [some girl's name's] Birthday. That's a big help, isn't it? And, on the topic of "birthdays", does anyone remember that stupid song from the 60's called "Cindy's Birthday"? I don't remember who sang it, and maybe Cindy wasn't quite a child, but she was presumably a teenager. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:17:31 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... >WHEN THE HOPES GOT SO SLIM, I JUST RESIGNED: Karen Carpenter's >Shrink >Feces Up!!! > Feces, Wally? Honest to God. Some people's minds are just SO in the gutter! :D cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:26:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs In a message dated 9/22/99 9:13:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Not to diminish the sadness of this news, but isn't it interesting that Graham has a son named Will? Wasn't that Joni's nickname for him, or did everyone call him that? Terry >> I don't know about everyone, but I have heard the other members of CSN&Y call him "Willy" during concerts. I never thought that it was a name that Joni gave to him, but merely that she used it. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:28:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Here we go again..... In a message dated 9/22/99 8:31:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: << My Mum (who is a great Joni fan) told me at the weekend that she always imagined Joni and companions at the Chinese Cafe playing Mah Jong... Down at the Chinese Cafe We'd be spittin' on our dice... Martin. >> Except that the pieces in mah jong are called "tiles," not dice. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:30:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: *Memoirs* by JM >Memoirs >Joni Mitchell > >Publisher: Crown Publishing Group >Pub. Date: May 1999 > Is this a new book, or a recent reprint of an old book? I thought this wasn't out yet (?) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:33:46 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: RE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:40:37 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: RE: Joni Sleeves Debra Wrote >Well, that's too sad! That's just not right. :-) So I'll put in my >vote for DED's cover. I've always liked it, but today I looked at >all my Joni CDs, comparing them to her album covers, and DED is the only one >I kept returning to, wanting to see it again. I agree that perhaps my critism of DED may have been influenced by the fact that I have never seen DED on LP while the other older Joni Sleeves I mentioned (TTT excluded), I either have or have seen in the LP format... SO perhaps it is a good Cover I just find it impossible to appreciate its on those tini-weeni-itsy-bitsy CD booklets Yours David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:44:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Album Covers You said: >I guess I prefer the painted ones to the photo'd ones, coming from a >painterly background myself.... > Those are definitely my faves - the painted ones, not the photos. The paintings are good, and it's Joni's hand that did them. I really do like Turbulent Indigo - that's such a good painting and there's so much humour and irony in it. Also, love the pictures in TTT - Joni on the front cover looking like a contented pussycat herself, at peace. STAS is a nice hippie-chick piece done by a young girl/woman with dreams. I remember doing stuff like that in my teens. And my husband still has some old drawings he did years ago with that '60's "peace and love" kind of feel. For my part, I find the cover of "Clouds" kind of scary. There's this rather serene-looking young woman on the cover, but there's a lot of red and angry-looking stuff in the background (maybe that's just my perception of it, maybe it's just because it's dawn or dusk) but I find it rather disturbing to look at. By the time she gets to Ladies of the Canyon, she's into simple line drawings, but the cover on that one is quite clever, I think. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:48:22 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Jason asks: >BTW, wasn't Eric Clapton's boy called Connor? Yup, I think so. Here's another: Annie Lennox "Precious Little Angel" (love that song!) OF course, Jenaya's probably all done by now! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves I for one, have always loved the LP cover of CMIARS. Wonderful rich color, which stands out wonderfully against the black. And it seems Joni knows something I've known for a while now ... life is too short not to have at least one really cool hat! ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:32:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Bad acid (NJC) I nevr tried acid. was always too afraid to. I felt i was already well and truly f***ed and was convinced I would have a bad trip. Back in 93, at a party, I came over all funny, got very scared, started to halucinate, felt I was half out of my body, saw pictures on walls talk, floors undualte, people morphed. I demanded someone call an ambulance. they didn't because of course someone had dropped acid in my juice. They thought it was very funny-till they saw my reaction. It lasted for sevral hours. Strangely enough, a few days previously I had seen a doc on tv and it said that Vit C could counteract the effects of acid. so I made the host go and buy me sevral litres of orange juice which i drank one after the other. I did come down, tho i remained 'high' and out of it for two days. The high feeling was pleasant. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:35:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: oops!! no s--t! NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > note: my automatic spellcheck changed "fesses" into "feces" in my headlines > post!!! this is worse than calling colin colon! I always thought Colin Powell was Colon Powell till I just found out they couldn't pronounce his name properly! > wallyk - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:34:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... Wally Kairuz wrote: > KING IN A TENEMENT CASTLE: New Elvis sighting on Manhattan's Lower East > Side! > > HE'S GOT A WOMAN AT HOME, HE'S GOT ANOTHER WOMAN DOWN THE HALL: An Intimate > Tour of the Whitehouse! > > SWEET SUCKER DANCE: Monica bares it all!!! > > WHEN THE HOPES GOT SO SLIM, I JUST RESIGNED: Karen Carpenter's Shrink Feces I am sure you meant fesses-this sounds like shit! > Up!!! > > WITH A HOLE IN HER STOCKINGS: Female Member of Weird Joni Mitchell Cult Bled > White by Freak New England Mosquitoes!!! > > WallyK - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:50:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... > > > I hope this was a misspelling and you meant "fesses"; otherwise you are REAL > sick and need that shrink yourself. but of course although it sounds the same, it is actually spelt feaces. > > > Paul I - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:06:44 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > And don't get me wrong, I wasn't LOL at the cover per se, just the fact > that David said it was his *least favorite* cover...I actually like it OK > for the reasons you stated. Oh, yeah, I know you were laughing at the picked-on-ness of DED (it does happen a lot); kind of like DED is the black sheep in the family that everyone's uncomfortable with. But, luckily, within this large group of opinionated people, there's always someone who'll put out a positive Joni vibe, even for the black sheep. > I'm also intrigued by the wolf looking at the > car wreck...I think it harkens back to "Coyote" who runs a little roughshod > but also ties in with "The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay" and the darkness in > men's minds...It's very difficult to drive past a car wreck without being > tempted to look, I think the wolf looking at the wreck symbolizes that > little dark corner in each of us that looks at the "wreck" with no intent > to do anything about it. I hadn't thought about these other wolves/coyotes until you mentioned them. Very interesting; apparently that untamed animal is another one of Joni's symbols, along with cactuses and crows. When looking at the album cover, it struck me that each wolf was another portrait of Joni (and of us all really). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:08:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves Deb said: <> I would say that Mingus is the true BLACK sheep in the family...DED is more like a white techno-sheep with a bad perm! :~D Bob NP: TMBG, "Jessica" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:15:32 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves David Greenspoon wrote: > ...I just find it impossible to appreciate its on > those tini-weeni-itsy-bitsy CD booklets Yeah, DED's artwork doesn't come across well in the CD packaging. Putting all that energy in such a small area just makes it look cramped. Be on the lookout for the album-sized version; you may be surprised when you see it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:13:24 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... > > I hope this was a misspelling and you meant "fesses"; otherwise > you >are REAL sick and need that shrink yourself. > >but of course although it sounds the same, it is actually spelt feaces. Not to drag this out, but the word we're thinking of can also be spelled "feces" (it may be one of those American English vs England English thingies, where we Canadians get stuck in the middle and will use either/or, sometimes in the same piece of writing, but the trend in North America is to take out the superfluous "a" in words of this kind, e.g. paediatrician vs pediatrician; haemoglobin vs hemoglobin and so on) which I would pronounce "FEE-sees" to rhyme with species, rather than "FESSes" (as in short for confesses) to rhyme with tresses. On the other hand, after my son was born, my next-door neighbour, who was originally from New Zealand and is a nurse, asked me whether his "little um-bi-LIKE-le" had fallen off yet. We tend to pronounce it "um-BILL-acle" so it took me a few seconds to clue in to what she was talking about! (You say tomayto, I say tomahto, and all that jazz.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:28:55 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Joni Sleeves Bob said: <> Actually (she says opening herself up to ridicule) I rather like some of DED. I'd be curious to hear 'acoustic' versions of the songs by Joni. And the wolves are ok. It's the pic of Joni that I'm not fond of - for some reason I've always wondered why her arms were in the air - if she wanted to look more like another wolf, her arms should have heen at her side or maybe even her hands could have been clasped behind her. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:36:14 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Deb said: > > < everyone's uncomfortable with.>> > > I would say that Mingus is the true BLACK sheep in the family...DED is more > like a white techno-sheep with a bad perm! :~D Oh, no, no, no, no, I wasn't thinking of a racial thing at all. You know what I meant, although I guess the term "black sheep" needs to be replaced with something else. I know you were making a joke; I just don't find it funny. Now that you remind me of Mingus though, yeah, people are uncomfortable with both of those albums. But it seems that DED gets easily picked on compared to Mingus, which people at least respect, especially Joni's courageousness in making it, even if there's not much affection or appreciation for it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:30:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... Catherine McKay wrote: > > > I hope this was a misspelling and you meant "fesses"; otherwise > you > >are REAL sick and need that shrink yourself. > > > >but of course although it sounds the same, it is actually spelt feaces. > > Not to drag this out, but the word we're thinking of can also be spelled > "feces" (it may be one of those American English vs England English > thingies, where we Canadians get stuck in the middle and will use either/or, > sometimes in the same piece of writing, but the trend in North America is to > take out the superfluous "a" in words of this kind, e.g. paediatrician vs > pediatrician; haemoglobin vs hemoglobin and so on) which I would pronounce > "FEE-sees" to rhyme with species, rather than "FESSes" (as in short for > confesses) to rhyme with tresses. I thought afterwards that it is probably spelt differently in American. I wonder if you have american language classses as we have english language classes here? I do not mean english for foreignors, but english for compositon, spelling, grammar etc.When i was over in the USA I discovered that English and American are really quite different, not just in spelling, but is usage and meaning too. For instance, we use the term pavement to mean the sidewalk and Americans use pavement to mean the tarmac on roads. > > > On the other hand, after my son was born, my next-door neighbour, who was > originally from New Zealand and is a nurse, asked me whether his "little > um-bi-LIKE-le" had fallen off yet. We tend to pronounce it "um-BILL-acle" > so it took me a few seconds to clue in to what she was talking about! > > (You say tomayto, I say tomahto, and all that jazz.) > > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:34:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Diana Ross Arrested NJC Diana Ross now has a criminal record here in the UK. She objected to being searched before she boarded Concorde this lunchtime so she assaulted the guard. She was arrested and taken to the Police station where she was given an official caution and later released. An offical caution counts as far as having a criminal record is concerned. Searching passengers before they board a plane is common now due to terrorism. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:51:24 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: New Tom Rush Comp (vljc) From Sony's newsletter- COMING OCTOBER 5 + TOM RUSH - 'The Best Of Tom Rush: No Regrets (1962-1999)' Features 'River Song'---a brand new recording with Shawn Colvin! Tom Rush emerged from the early folk scene of the '60s as one of the premier leaders of the movement. His music was a gift of sheer brilliance---well-crafted songs with clear and undeniable meanings. He also recorded music with Jackson Browne, James Taylor and Joni Mitchell before they put out their first debut albums. Now, Legacy Recordings and Columbia Records are proud to present 'The Best of Tom Rush: No Regrets', a collection of some of Tom's most important songs. The collection contains 17 tracks--all digitally remastered for the best possible sound. yay! jen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #424 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?