From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 423 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] little green [evian ] Re: Biographical info. (was little green) ["Catherine McKay" ] Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Best album covers ever (now NJC) [evian ] Re: little green... (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Artist's songs for their children NJC [Jenaya Dawe ] Tom and Chuck - NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [catman ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [dsk ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [David Wright ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Little green blue and possibly red [Michael Paz ] Re: Bad acid (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [Dflahm@aol.com] RE: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival ["Kakki" ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC [Joseph Palis ] Best album covers ever (now NJC) [evian ] Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) ["Kakki" ] RE: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... This whole "Joni in the tabloids" thing has got me thinking ... you'd see headlines like: "Roswell Space Alien Baby Sighting -- Was It Just A False Alarm?" "Free Man In Paris Actually A Strange Boy!!" "Loni Anderson Fetes New Boom-Boom Pachyderm" "A Case Of You -- Revolutionary New Beer Diet REALLY WORKS!" "OJ Wags Finger At Darden ... Yells I DON'T LIKE YOU" "Shocking New Discovery -- Tricky Dick Actually Raised On Robbery!" Take it away guys, I know I've only scratched the surface here ... Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:18:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival Michael writes: << I will be making an announcement next week on the dates for Joni2000Tribute Festival in New Orleans. >> Oh Great Michael!!! Is this going to be called Joni-Gras? I'll make sure to bring some wampum beads to toss to the crowds. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:23:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... LOL!! Howzabout "Farm House Burns Down in the Middle of Nowhere in the Middle of the Night"... Bob NP: Steve Winwood, "The Finer Things" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:26:34 -0600 From: evian Subject: little green Gina wrote: > The minute dissection and speculation is the part I have difficulty with > personally. > I see where you are coming from Gina. Sometimes I too just want to say "Leave it alone, I'll come up with my own conclusions." But again, I love to speculate and dissect a song, poem, story, etc. and see what I come up with. Maybe I have been studying literature for too long already, I don't know. I still keep my own opinions on works, but I still love to look at something and see how intricately woven a text is, and how little pieces of the author's life fit into it. For example, I am teaching Joyce's "Araby" this week, and damn, there are such interesting parallels from his life that fit into the story. The story still stands on it's own, but his own life experiences really come into play, and I love to connect the dots, as they say.... As for Joni, there are songs that grab me and take on their own meaning, even when I am unsure what exactly she is intending. Then, once I figure out what she was thinking, what was going on in her life, etc., my original "feel" of the song usually still stands. An example is "Don't Interupt The Sorrow". This song means so much to me, even though it took me years to even try to grasp what exactly she was saying. Hell, I still don't really know. But even after the thread on the song, It still takes me to that place, that feeling, and I still use my own personal interpretation. So, I guess I rambling trying to say that the Joni info is invaluable for me, but my own interpretation still stands in certain songs no matter how much we learn or pick it apart. As for Little Green, it fascinates me how this was the one song on Blue that isn't told as a first person narrative, and I love making the whole psychological/social/etc. connection with that pertaining to what we know now about Joni's experiences. Same holds true for a lot of her later work, especially TI and TTT, and Joni's experiences with the industry, etc. Oh, and as for "Facelift", I love the fact that I know what I know about Joni, and Saskatoon, and her relationship with her mom, and I can picture the hotel they are at (I am sure it's the Bessborough or the Ramada), and I see the Christmas lights, and the river view, and feel the cold, and know her mother's disapproval about Freed in light of the break up with Klein, and everything else. This is an example how it really comes alive for me. But, at the same time, I do understand where Gina is coming from about how the picking apart can sometimes change your perception and views of a work where you might not want it to. However, even after reading the archives of the Sweet Bird thread, I still have no frigging clue what exactly is going on there.... y'all are just too damn intelligent! Evian np: Amy Grant -- Lead Me On ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:27:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Biographical info. (was little green) Like many others who have posted recently, I want to know as much as possible about the people whose music I love, or whose books I read, or whatever. It helps me understand what they're about, but it also points me in the direction of others' work that I may like - if you know what influenced that person, and you like their stuff, then, chances are, you're going to like the writers that influenced them. Even if I have an idea about what Joni's song may be about, I know this is just my interpretation or impression, so I'm not disappointed if I find out it's something totally different - it just adds a new dimension to the song. Which is why it drives me nuts when a CD comes out and nothing is said about who performed on the song, who wrote it and so on. It doesn't happen often and maybe a lot of these things are reprints (or whatever the audio version of that is) and they're the cheapo versions. Give me LINER NOTES anytime - and pictures! I'm not overly crazy about knowing TOO much about people's personal lives - the kiss-and-tell type of biographies/autobiographies that are so popular these days don't do much for me. OK, so maybe I am prudish, but do we really need to know the graphic details of someone's sex life, how many people they slept with, who they lost their virginity to and all that? Knowing that they've had many relationships, or that they've been married to the same person for 50 years does tell you something about a person, as does knowing who they have had relationships with (romantic, friendly, professional, whatever), but IMO (of course!), a lot of the graphic details people get into don't add anything, so puh-leez! spare the details of what so-and-so was like in bed. I just don't want to know! Next thing you know, they'll be describing their toilet habits. Now, on the facelift thing. That can be funny sometimes because some people do overdo it - and then insist they haven't done anything (so how come your facial skin is pulled back so tight you could put your cheeks in a ponytail? and how come your bellybutton is on your chin?) I'd really like to think Joni hasn't had cosmetic surgery but if she did, it's her own business. If I hated my nose, I'd be out there getting it fixed. And a good thing I don't hate my nose - can't afford cosmetic surgery! (Of course, here in "socialist" Canada, you might be able to get it covered by your health insurance, if someone kindly broke your nose for it first - since they've gotta fix off that mess to begin with, might as well make it look good at the same time.) On the other hand, I have never understood why anyone would want bigger boobs. The damn things get in the way as it is ;> cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:35:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: little green... (NJC) You said, >It's never too late to pursue anything! I agree with this totally. Although as a child I took piano lessons, and later taught myself to play guitar, I always wanted to learn classical guitar. I finally started about 6-7 years ago and do not regret it for one moment. I'm still doing it and have every intention of pursuing it until I get my degree. This is something I'm doing just for me, and just because I love it. I believe you can teach an old dog new tricks - but the dog has to be willing! (pant-pant!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:58:06 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs Graham Nash Breaks Both Legs In Accident ..c The Associated Press LIHUE, Hawaii (AP) - Graham Nash relied on the memory of a Hawaiian sunset to block out the pain of two broken legs and a broken ankle suffered in a boating accident off Kauai. The musician, his wife, Susan, and son Will, 19, were aboard a friend's boat on Sept. 12 when a ``freak'' wave sent Nash into the air. As he was coming down, the boat was pushed up by another wave. "I heard my leg snap. I felt it break in half,'' Nash, 57, said Saturday from his home on Kauai's north shore. "I have to say it was an amazing sound.'' The member of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young said he refused to think about the pain during the two hours it took to get him to a hospital. "I just decided to ignore everything below my waist, block it out,'' he said. "In my mind I saw that glorious sunset from a visit here two months ago with my friends.'' When Nash arrived at the hospital, the doctor told him he wanted to insert pins into his legs and a plate into his ankle. "I looked into the man's eyes and I told him, `I trust you completely. Rock on," said Nash, who may need a wheelchair for the next three months. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:01:50 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Little Green Catherine wrote: >That is truly amazing that, out of all those people who may have known, >there wasn't a schmuck among them! Well, maybe she has good taste in men, a view strenghthened by seeing how extraordinarily loving and supportive many of her ex's are (think Klein, Nash). ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:53:14 -0600 From: evian Subject: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Jason hit the nail on the head with his album covers. However, a few others that I love are: Skinny Puppy -- Remission (creepy skeleton on the cover) Skinny Puppy -- Bites (More creepy skulls and stuff) FM - Rumours Kate Bush -- The Sensual World Cure -- Three Imaginary Boys Veruca Salt -- 8 Arms to Hold You Red Hot Chili Peppers -- the Abbey Road EP... hillarious! One of the ugliest album covers has to be Prince's self titled album... I giggle every time I look at it. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:26:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: little green... (NJC) Heather, I'm always so inspired by your decision to chuck what was not working for you, switch gears and pursue your dream. Whenever my life presents the right time for me financially and otherwise, I definitely plan return to my art. (That time may come sooner than I think when I get fired for taking off to too many Jonifests ;-) In the meantime, Joni and this list helps keep me inspired and connected to my heart. Kakki NP: Jonatha Brooke - The Choice > It's never too late to pursue anything! Here I thought I took one of the > hardest subjects ... chemistry. Now I'm pursuing a degree in Art History. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:11:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Evian lists: <> Evian, how could YOU leave out the cover of Buckingham-Nicks? All that prime Stevie flesh on display...mmmmm...(drooling on keyboard now) <> Worse yet, Lovesexy with that sideways naked picture...ewwww...(drooling has subsided)... Bob NP: Bob Brookmeyer New Quartet, "Elle-Que" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:23:57 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: Artist's songs for their children NJC Help!!! I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their children?) Here's what I came up- Sweet Baby James - James Taylor (ok, so it's his nephew, whatever, I'm on a deadline!!) Beautiful Boy - John Lennon Kiane - Olu Dara St. Judy's Comet - Paul Simon Sleep Baby Sleep - Nat King Cole Lullaby Baby Blues - Keb' Mo' any other suggestions??? jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:36:25 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: RE: Joni Sleeves HI ALL Jason wrote >I'll weigh in with my favourite Joni sleeves : >Hejira >CMIARS >Mingus >C&S >LOTC I agree with Hejira as the #1 greatest sleeve but the other good ones worthy of mention HOSL TTT STOS TI With DED the one cover I really just DONT care for!!! David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:55:49 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Tom and Chuck - NJC Hi folks - Who was it out there that wanted a copy of Chuck Mitchell's album from 1970? Contact me privately if you are interested. Also, any listers heading to see Tom Waits in Denver on October 12? I'd be interested in a pre-concert dinner/get together if so... Les NP: Ira Glass and Philip Glass on "Fresh Air" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:36:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Jenya asks: << I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their children?) >> How about Stevie Wonder's "Isn't She Lovely"? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:38:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Tranquillo-Carly Simon(tho it is about her son Ben so don't know if that counts) Jenaya Dawe wrote: > Help!!! > > I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can > anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their > children?) > > Here's what I came up- > > Sweet Baby James - James Taylor (ok, so it's his nephew, whatever, I'm on a > deadline!!) > Beautiful Boy - John Lennon > Kiane - Olu Dara > St. Judy's Comet - Paul Simon > Sleep Baby Sleep - Nat King Cole > Lullaby Baby Blues - Keb' Mo' > > any other suggestions??? > > jen - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:46:34 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... Don says: << This whole "Joni in the tabloids" thing has got me thinking ... you'd see headlines like: "Roswell Space Alien Baby Sighting -- Was It Just A False Alarm?" >> And there's always the headline I saw in a tabloid today: "Courtney Visits A Plastic Surgeon - Love Puts On A New Face" I know it was baaaaaad! Forgive me, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:59:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... Clinton Denies Sexual Relationship With Lewisnksy-as he undoes his zipper and yanks her to her knees. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:12:32 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Jenaya Dawe wrote: > Help!!! > I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can > anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their > children?) Seems to me Joni's Little Green can go on your list. Also, Madonna's Little Star from Ray of Light; it's a very sweet lovesong to her daughter. And, how about Eric Clapton's song for his son who had died? Don't remember the title but recall it as a very moving tribute to his son. Hope this helps. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, dsk wrote: > And, how about Eric Clapton's song for his son who had died? Don't remember > the title but recall it as a very moving tribute to his son. "Tears in Heaven." - --David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:26:33 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC In a message dated 9/21/99 3:45:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catman@apso.screaming.net writes: << I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can > anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their > children?) > >> I've been on an "other" Joan kick this week, so I can add: "Children and All That Jazz." If that doesn't capture my household on any given school night!!! MG np "Sweeter for Me" Ms. Baez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:38:19 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC > > >Jenaya Dawe wrote: > >> Help!!! >> I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can >> anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their >> children?) > Eric Clapton-"Tears in Heaven"(written for his son) Grateful Dead-"I Will Take You Home" from Built to Last (written by Brent Mydland for his daughter)...a very pretty song Loggins and Messina-"Danny's Song"(written by Kenny Loggins for his brother's expected child) that's all I can think of that hasn't already been mentioned. Victor NP:Jonatha Brooke-Live ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:33:02 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 9/21/99 3:52:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << I'm sorry that my participation in these threads have caused some of you to cringe or diminished your enjoyment of Joni's music. Guess I just get too comfortable around here sometimes. >> I didn't want to start a "oh no" back and forth thread on this, but I did want to let you know that your participation in the threads have always been thoughtful and provoking. The stuff that might dig too deeply into the minute is always done lightly and with witty good taste. Please count me as one who has had her Joni appreciation GREATLY enhanced by your posts. And I bet that most people here know how to "take what they need and disregard the rest," without any offense or diminished enjoyment whatsoever. MG np: Baez singing: "Simple Twist of Fate" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:55:16 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC Allman Bros-"Sweet Melissa" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:47:40 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... (NJC) In a message dated 9/21/99 6:56:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: << But by the same token, parents DO have a responsibility to give guidance to their kids and make them realize the potential consequences of their choices. That doesn't mean you don't let them go their own way, but that the unconditional love needs to be balanced with the wisdom of a parent's life experience. >> Bingo! This is very very very very very very true and parents often misunderstand that responsibility with that excelling in whatever for the parent's sake. I think that parents help a child find their own path by making sure that their path, (which is visible to kids whether you know it or not), is an appropriate one as well. Be it the road to recovery or forging a healthy and respectful relationship with their partner or a new career or what have you. Having raised three children by myself, (one finally making it to 18 and college), I've found that the best guidance is to live a life worth emulating. Although, having said that, I sure wouldn't mind my kids skipping over emulating me getting pregnant at a too young age, running away from home at 16, etc. etc. Hmmm...hafta refine that last "best guidance" thought! (;-D MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:49:07 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC In a message dated 9/21/99 6:40:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << << I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their children?) >> >> I'm not sure if anyone's already mentioned this one: The Pretenders' Show Me The Meaning (I think that's the title of it, but you know the song I mean) was written about the child Chrissie had with Keith Davis. Suzanne Vega's World Before Columbus was written about her daughter, Ruby. And of course, Eric Clapton wrote the song Tears In Heaven about the tragic death of his son, Colin, I believe was his name. More may come to mind. Take care, Gina NP: Cowboy Junkies - Lay It Down ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:00:33 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC In a message dated 9/21/99 3:29:26 PM US Central Standard Time, Jenaya@playnetwork.com writes: << any other suggestions??? >> James Taylor - Sarah Maria Billy Joel - Baby Grand XTC - Pink Thing, Chalkhills and Children ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:03:09 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves In a message dated 9/21/99 4:00:08 PM US Central Standard Time, dgreenspoon@hotmail.com writes: << With DED the one cover I really just DONT care for!!! >> Dang...poor old DED can't even score point for its cover!! LOL! Bob NP: The Wallflowers, "Laughing Out Loud" (I kid you not) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:43:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC >I'm trying to finish up a project, and I'm having a mental block. Can >anyone help me out on songs artists have written (and recorded for their >children?) Gerry Goffin & Carole King - Child of Mine Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:43:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Day's Here!!! NJC In a message dated 9/21/1999 10:54:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << << Today is the day! IT'S MARIAN'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!! Happy birthday, dear angel-voiced Marian, mistress of all things Joniesque. I miss you! May all your dreams come true. WallyK >> Marian, happy, happy, happy birthday! You put your soul beautifully into the songs you sang for us at Joni Fest and I thank you one hundred times. I have not stopped being positively haunted by the beauty of your voice and your interpretations of Joni's work. Take care, >> Yes dear!! Happy Birthday to you!! May all your dreams come true! Luv, Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:08:55 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Here we go again..... Bob admits: << However, even with the additional information, my interpretation of Joni's work doesn't change much, just like when I sing a wrong phrase...even though I know she's singing "Lead Foot Melvin", I'm gonna sing "Liquid Melvin" every time! :~) >> Oh, no. Not AGAIN!!!! It's NOT "Liquid Melvin????" Hugs, Ashara {who does not DARE to read any Joni lyrics for fear that she has mondegreened EVERY SINGLE SONG Joni has ever written, or thought of writing!} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:39:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's Covers > I'm basing my choices simply from the viewpoint of which ones look most > pleasing to my eyes, rather than any deeper artistic merit or conceptual > value... :-) Joni sleeves would have to be: Mingus - some of her most powerful paintings imo Hejira - the photography is no less than exquisite TTT - wonderful paintings, warm colors TI - perfect cover for the record Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:16:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC > > << any other suggestions??? >> > Grace Slick "China" and "Ai Garamasu" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:45:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Have a happy ending in the Cape (NJC) Katie- May all the blessings and happiness be upon you in this joyful time! The feelings that came over me when we got pregnant with our first will never disappear. Did this happen at JoniFest? Wow we really are a city man!!! lol I love the names you picked out too. duh! Much love to you guys and may New Orleans be your childs first Joni celebration. Love Michael P.S. It's a little farther away from the Cape to here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:47:50 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bad acid (NJC) Mark wrote: " Ah the days of acid, incense and balloons! Aren't you glad they're gone?" Oh my gawd, Mark, they're gone???? coulda fooled me. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:59:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Little green blue and possibly red Colin wrote: "Gina-I agree. i don't really want to know what Joni means in her works. I have my own impressions. I think knwoing what she emans might ruin my enjoyment. As for the discussion of her and her guessed at thoughts and reactions and guitls etc, I can't help but feel uncomfortable. It is at such times I imagine her reading this list and it makes me cringe. Would I like to be discussed like this? would I want people who do not know me analyzing me from this point of ignorance? Meaning, when they do not know me? of course the discussions are interesting and long may they continue. I do not mean to suggest such discussions shouldn't take place, just that it brings those feelings up in me. Of course Joni might well love them and not have that cringing feeling I imagine!!!!" Colin- I think this is a very intelligent post. I don't really care what it was that she meant by her songs, although it is fun to daydream about what she might have meant, but as for discussing it in this forum, I cannot. I do treasure the way her songs make me feel and how they sometimes change as I get older and hopefully wiser. My skin crawls when I think of alot of the discussion being our there for her children and grandchildren to read. I also treasure this community and what it means to me and don't mean to try and stifle ANYONES feelings our thoughts. I personally think she made the choices she did and is now living with those choices. She has been blessed and cursed in so many ways, just like we all have. I do hope that she continue her "arts" for a long time to come for ALL OF US to enjoy and inspires in many wonderful ways. I for one think she probably laughs her ass off and cringes at the same time. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:04:15 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Yes, Bob...you are correct. My mother, Dorothy Fields, wrote the lyric to "Exactly Like You" in 1930; the music is by her first collaborator, Jimmy McHugh. I think I used to own that LP; Buck Clayton on trumpet and Coleman Hawkins on tenor? "Moten Swing" was the first tune I ever practiced when I was teaching myself to play in (something vaguely resembling) the Fats Waller style, so it has great nostalgia value to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:11:16 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mosquitoes (NJC) WallyK wrote: "wallyk, wondering what size new orleans mosquitoes are" Wally- Bring a net (not your fishnets) and a big swatter. They can be huge. They are also known to be able to take HUGE amounts of blood AND alcohol. Very similar to the New Orleans vampires. Michael PS Hopefully they will not be out yet in the spring when we have our little tea party. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:14:18 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Bad acid (NJC) In a message dated 9/21/99 7:50:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: Mark wrote: " Ah the days of acid, incense and balloons! Aren't you glad they're gone?" But Paz is behind the times: << Oh my gawd, Mark, they're gone???? coulda fooled me. >> MG recounts: I remember my last acid trip. It was many years ago w/ Chris the Alien in Rochester, New York. Now, Chris, while a favorite boyfriend, was a bit....funky. He was always fiddling in the garage, trying to make the first perpetual motion machine and things like that. We enjoyed magic tootsie rolls together as well as some mushroom and acid trips way up in the Lake Saranac region of the Adirondacks. On our last trip, we were sitting together on the couch and admiring the flow of life all around us. Suddenly, I was hit with the realization that Chris was really an alien from another planet and sent here to "test" me. I hate being tested! (especially if I haven't studied). I asked him point blank if he was an alien and he just sank back into the cushions and smiled a Chesire cat smile. "hmmm," I thought, "busted." After the trip, Chris assured me that he was not an alien, but interestingly, it was an idea that I just could not shake. I was sure that I was always finding some kind of subtle, subtle clue that this man was no earthling. It was definitely the first crack that led to our breaking up. Not that my being immature and too young and too inexperienced in just about everything else had anything to do with it. (;-D MG - tripping down memory lane. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:16:17 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC How about "Nancy with the Laughing Face", recorded, I believe by Frank Sinatra, though I don't think he wrote it (Sammy Cahn-Jimmy Van Heusen)? Jazz musicians have done it quite often: "Little Rootie Tootie" by Thelonious Monk is just the first title that pops into my mind. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:08:42 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... "Guiness Book of Records investigates woman's claim to have pissed the length of Parking Lot!" LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:20:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... KING IN A TENEMENT CASTLE: New Elvis sighting on Manhattan's Lower East Side! HE'S GOT A WOMAN AT HOME, HE'S GOT ANOTHER WOMAN DOWN THE HALL: An Intimate Tour of the Whitehouse! SWEET SUCKER DANCE: Monica bares it all!!! WHEN THE HOPES GOT SO SLIM, I JUST RESIGNED: Karen Carpenter's Shrink Feces Up!!! WITH A HOLE IN HER STOCKINGS: Female Member of Weird Joni Mitchell Cult Bled White by Freak New England Mosquitoes!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:24:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: oops!! no s--t! NJC note: my automatic spellcheck changed "fesses" into "feces" in my headlines post!!! this is worse than calling colin colon! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:28:16 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... In a message dated 9/22/99 12:22:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << WHEN THE HOPES GOT SO SLIM, I JUST RESIGNED: Karen Carpenter's Shrink Feces Up!!! >> I hope this was a misspelling and you meant "fesses"; otherwise you are REAL sick and need that shrink yourself. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:13:15 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival In a message dated 9/21/1999 1:48:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << ***********Attention all time, space, and just plain travelers ************ Soon you too can be traveling in some kinda vehicle towards beautiful N.O. I will be making an announcement next week on the dates for Joni2000Tribute Festival in New Orleans. I have spoken to the owner of the Howlin' Wolf a very cool local club for live music, and he has agreed to let me have the joint for a Sunday night. I also spoke to my wife who just happened to be in an incredibly light mood this week end >> THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!! I have never been to New Orleans and now I have the perfect reason to go there. I have never been to Boston(not like I was actually there) but I am turning into a real traveler from this list! Eric will be with me with his bass in tow! I promise!!!! Catgirl travellling in the vehicle sleeping in New Orleans!! Big BIG WHOOOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:01:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni 2000 Tribute Festival > Catgirl travellling in the vehicle sleeping in New Orleans!! > Big BIG WHOOOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm singing the harmony line, Catgirl!!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:16:50 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Mark or Travis wrote: > > > > << any other suggestions??? >> > > > Grace Slick "China" and "Ai Garamasu" > > ... or Kenny Loggins' "Cody's Song" from RETURN TO POOH CORNER Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:07:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: About to go to test pattern (NJC) Sorry to use the list for this but I got fairly short notice that my apt. building's phone service to all of us is going off at midnight and I'm running out of time to reply to some of your emails! I will have a new phone carrier manana and a new telephone number. Anyone who needs my new number please email me privately, and I'll get back to you when I'm in successful communication again. Thanks, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:33:11 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Artist's songs for their children NJC ... or Gloria Estefan's "Song for Emily" ... a very touching song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:29:23 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Bette Midler (NJC) part two Thank you very much, Patrick for the capsule reviews of Bette Midler's albums. I must admit that I am interested with the things you mentioned about her previous albums as well as your side-comments. I should give her more respect and airplay, I suppose. You see, she did not really connect with me much because I haven't seen THE ROSE, although I watched a weird film of hers where she is a witch but looked like a rabbit. Plus the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker is also in that film did not help me appreciate Midler. By the way, I listened to her album BEACHES courtesy of a friend who wanted me to be fan, and I like her songs "I Think It's Going to Rain Today", "I Still Got My Health" and the funny "Otto Titzling". The song "Under the Boardwalk" was already covered by another favorite singer Rickie Lee Jones in her very rarely seen CD called GIRL AT HER VOLCANO, so I relaxed to the infectious swing of Midler's performance. But as I was warming up, this song will be followed by "Wind Beneath My Wings" which must have been played billions of times in all radio stations. Do you recommend her album called GYPSY? Is this similar to Ethel Merman's? Thanks, Joseph np: Stan Getz's "Blue Skies" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 01:57:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni Sleeves RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > Dang...poor old DED can't even score point for its cover!! LOL! Well, that's too sad! That's just not right. :-) So I'll put in my vote for DED's cover. I've always liked it, but today I looked at all my Joni CDs, comparing them to her album covers, and DED is the only one I kept returning to, wanting to see it again. BECAUSE: I like the way the outside of the album cover is an edge-to-edge painting; and there's a second full painting inside also, unlike other covers in which the paintings are enclosed either by heavy frames or used as little illustrations. On the DED album cover there's no such distancing; Joni's "hand" is clearly visible. I love seeing the evidence of an artist's movements, which is part of what makes drawings so engaging. I like the odd combination on DED of photographs, quick broad brush strokes and silver metallic felt-tip pen lines; there's an energy and immediacy and honesty that none of the other covers have. It feels like Joni just created it. Yeah, I know, the cover's not pretty, but I like the outer image especially, like Joni herself is a wild woman howling with the wolves. And then there's the contrast of the straight lines in her jacket contrasted with the haphazard doodly lines in her hair and on the animals. And, why's that wolf on the back looking so closely at that car wreck? I don't think any of this comes across well in the CD packaging. It's too small, whereas the album cover is about the size of an actual drawing/painting. The paintings don't wrap around the CD cover, and the silver lines actually look metallic on the album cover and just kind of grey on the CD. So that's my explanation of why I like DED's cover, a lot. So no more LOL at DED OK? (Although that hairdo IS goofy looking, isn't it? That was the style though; as I recall, most women then were getting perms if their hair wasn't naturally curly.) And now that I'm looking at all these covers: Why is the cover of WTRF such a drab brown-grey color when most of the songs are such exuberant love songs? That color combined with the wild horses captured in the TV screen makes me think Joni was feeling boxed in, not her usual dancing "let the wind carry me" self. Even though the outer painting goes edge-to-edge, this (I've decided right now) is my least favorite cover. It's the only one where the cover doesn't seem to fit the music. I think Blue is a beautiful cover; again the album cover especially because the whole big cover is that deep blue with the song titles so tiny on a back corner you can hardly read them, so the stark blueness isn't interrupted (unlike on the CD where the song titles take over the back). Sorry to any only-CD owners; but it's hard not to talk about the beauty of those big album covers (and the pre-90s artwork was designed for that size, so it makes sense it would look better album-sized). Of course, that perceived beauty is also all entwined with listening to each album for the first time while looking at the cover and reading the lyrics, and listening again over and over... Sound familiar? :-) 'night y'all. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:05:23 -0600 From: evian Subject: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Bob corrected me with: > Evian, how could YOU leave out the cover of Buckingham-Nicks? All that > prime Stevie flesh on display...mmmmm...(drooling on keyboard now) > > Well slap my ass and call me Judy, I can't believe I forgot that one! (I have no idea what that expression actually means, but my oddball neighbor keeps saying it so I've adopted it). And if not for Stevie, Lindsey Buckingham's big ole head of hair makes this one a keeper! Now, if only this damn album would be released on cd.... I would collapse in the aisles of HMV, and would never be tempted to order it for 43 million dollars on ebay again! Trampy Bob also wrote: > Worse yet, Lovesexy with that sideways naked picture...ewwww...(drooling > has subsided)... > I have this friend who has a copy of Lovesexy that is still sealed. She has this big crush on the Lovesexy Prince (who looks like he could get his ass kicked by Ally McBeal), and she says "There is something so hideously revolting about him on this album that he turns me on". Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess..... I used to think that Grace Jones was a hottie, so I have no room to talk! Evian np: Shriekback -- The Dancing Years ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:05:27 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Best album covers ever (now NJC) Evian, A friend in college in Phoenix (where they started out) insisted I get that Buckingham Nicks album soon after it came out. It's a great rare album. I still have it in mint condition. > if only this damn album would be released on cd.... I would collapse in > the aisles of HMV, and would never be tempted to order it for 43 million > dollars on ebay again! Um, so how much is it going for on eBay these days??? ;-D Kakki, counting down to cut-off here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:53:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... Even if it hadn't been a spelling mistake -- which it WAS, Paul, let me assure you that it WAS -- how could that sentence mean that I'm "REAL [sic] sick"? As it stands, the sentence doesn't make any sense at all. WallyK, P.S.: By the way, Paul, adjectives are not adverbs. - -----Original Message----- De: IVPAUL42@aol.com Para: wallykai@interserver.com.ar ; joni@smoe.org Fecha: Martes 21 de Septiembre de 1999 22:41 Asunto: Re: Top Joni Tabloid Headlines ... >In a message dated 9/22/99 12:22:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: > ><< > WHEN THE HOPES GOT SO SLIM, I JUST RESIGNED: Karen Carpenter's Shrink Feces > Up!!! >> > >I hope this was a misspelling and you meant "fesses"; otherwise you are REAL >sick and need that shrink yourself. > >Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:52:43 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: *Memoirs* by JM On Sept. 8, I ordered this book from www.barnesandnoble.com They said they would contact me within 1-2 weeks if the title is not available and they still haven't contacted me! I just thought maybe other people might like to try to order it. Memoirs Joni Mitchell Our Price: $27.50 Special Order: Ships 3-5 weeks Format: Hardcover ISBN: 0609600060 Publisher: Crown Publishing Group Pub. Date: May 1999 Please note: This title needs to be ordered directly with the publisher and usually ships within 3-5 weeks. There are occasions where the titles may go out of print or the publishers may no longer carry stock. If we cannot fill your order, we will notify you within 1-2 weeks. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #423 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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