From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #416 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 416 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Good vs. Evil (vljc) [Janene Otten ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Jason Maloney ] Re: little green... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: little green... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] RE: BOHO Dance [Chris Marshall ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Grace of my heart [Vince Lavieri ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #413 [lmoneil@webtv.net (Pepsi Cola)] Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc) [Vince Lavieri ] Chuck [Steve Dulson ] Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing and Sting's manager(SJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] Chuck/Boho/Kelly/er...etc.... [Steve Dulson ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #415 [lmoneil@webtv.net (Pepsi Cola)] Re: little green... [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Good vs. Evil NJC - Tattoos [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NJC/Boho//er...etc.... [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Chuck/Boho/Kelly/er...etc.... Definitely (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: First 45 and Take a Free Ride (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Photos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Photos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: little green... (and introduction) [LLDeMerle ] Re: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re[2]: Photos [raven@igc.org] Re: Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing and Sting's manager(SJC) [CaTGirl627@a] Welcome to the list [MGVal@aol.com] Re: little green... (and introduction) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni quoted in Nickelodeon Cartoon!!!!! ["Julie Z. Webb" Subject: RE: Good vs. Evil (vljc) He may have played the harp but did he drink Harp? That's the burning question that Irish inquiring minds want to know. I think Harp should be kosher for Passover. Reverend Vinnie, can you become Rabbi Vinnie for a moment and give us your input? Beer should be part of the Seder. my .02 np: Seal (#1) - -----Original Message----- From: Louis Lynch [mailto:Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:22 PM To: 'IVPAUL42@aol.com'; JaneneO@mji.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Good vs. Evil (vljc) About Jews and tattoos, I am sure tattoos are forbidden in the Old Testament. One of books of the Pentateuch condemns "marks on the skin." A dear Jewish friend of mine, a wise and wonderful lady, joked one time that the Holocaust tattoos are a good reason, that the Scripture is an even better reason, but the REAL reason Jewish women don't get tattoos is that it's too hard to find shoes to match. Harper Lou (Out of his Irish element, but hey -- Kind David was a harp player, too!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:46:34 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Catherine McKay wrote: > > I refused to buy Acqua though (the Barbie girl song and so on. I've got my > principles to uphold.) Oh, I am sure :-) Well, Aqua have one rather fab song...Turn Back Time. Anyone who's seen the Gwyneth Paltrow movie Sliding Doors will be familiar with it. Still, it's not enough reason to buy the album, I admit. I have the song on the Sliding Doors soundtrack AND a hits comilation, so I don't need to... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:38:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc)NJC I had assumed that was the reason. Surely, tho it is up to individual taste. Persoanlly, I do not like them in any shape of form. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:39:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: little green... You "wonder what Joni would have done had she found herself pregnant AFTER Blue was recorded, and had found success. Do you think she would have made a different plan for a baby?" I would say so. I believe this was a very difficult decision for her to make. She had no money and no prospects at the time - and, of course, having a child out of wedlock was still such a taboo thing back then - that I think she did it out of desperation and wanting the best for the child. Ultimately an unselfish act. When this story first came out, it was front-page news in the Toronto Star and there was stuff in it for weeks afterwords. I remember reading one letter to the editor that really pissed me off - this nasty, nasty woman said "Joni Mitchell lost the right to her child when she gave her up." This would likely be the same kind of person who is anti-abortion, anti-sex education, anti-anything risky. Not that I'm advocating anything here - I just find it amazing that people can be so quick to point the finger at others for their "faults" and "sins". If they never got into any kind of trouble themselves, it's because they either never took any kind of risk, or were very lucky. To err is human, to forgive, divine. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:44:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess "Turn Back Time." (by Acqua) Well, by Jaysus, you're right. When I heard it, "I thought, hmm, that sounds like a good song. Wonder who it is?" Then I found out it was Acqua and I wondered why they didn't do more songs like that one. Aw, what the hell? If the kid still wants it, I probably have one of those Columbia House freebie tickets hanging around. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:32:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: little green... You said: "I have a CD that includes Joni singing "Little Green" live. I believe it was ..."Kelly Green, be a gypsy dancer." ... Was this short for Kilauren? Did she name the baby before she gave it up for adoption?" Yes, she named the baby Kelly. The Gibbs who adopted the baby called her Kilauren without, as far as I'm aware, knowing that she had been named Kelly - - which is interesting because the names are close. I'm not sure how long Joni had her before she had to give her up for adoption, but i think it was at least for a few months. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:12:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess I own the aqua cd and I love the Barbie song. And no, I am not being funny, just truthful. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:06:42 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: BOHO Dance On Friday, September 17, 1999 9:17 PM, Catherine McKay [SMTP:cateri@hotmail.com] wrote: > I'm pretty sure you're right - I believe it does mean "bohemian." If I'm not > mistaken Joni said something about this being based on the writings of Tom > Wolfe (Bonfire of the Vanities and other things.) That was my thought too. However, having seen "Rent" a few times (and listened to the sountrack more than a few times) I recall the line:- "When the BoHo boys are gone, the power mysteriously comes on" Which got me to thinking. Rent is set in New York, where SoHo means South Of HOuston and NoHo means North Of, perhaps BoHo means something in, or refers to, New York. Any ideas or inventions? :-) Of course, I could just be ranting insanely. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:58:46 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Catherine McKay wrote: > Hey, c'mon - the Sound of Music is a classic. I was raised on that stuff. > I've got the soundtrack for Camelot (with Julie Andrews, Richard Burton and > Robert Goulet!) > Camelot is equally classic; I have the one with Vanessa Redgrace, Richard Harris, and Franco Nero (on vinyl and cd). Catman mentioned West Side Story, but that is a major classic and true class. So I counter with: Looking for Mr. Goodbar, Nashville, and Oliver (the play). Nashville is the real treasure: I have never found that in cd format. I also have never found a soundtrack in any format from Aniie Hall, to get Diane Keaton singing "Seems Like Old Times" so if anyone has a line on those two... When I saw Oliver on stage in Chicago, by the way, the Artful Dodger was played by David Jones, several years before "hey hey we're the..." (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:15:21 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Grace of my heart rachel kramer bussel wrote: > and at the very end you can see Shawn Colvin in it, playing her guitar in > the woods... > > It's supposedly a fictionalized account of Carole King's life. I recommend > it... > > It starts out like Carole King, then does a little Brian Wilson thing, and ends up as the Didi Cohn/Debbie Boone Light up my life bit. The movie misfires a lot of places but at least it has ambitions and is well worth a $2.00 rental fee. Someone else sings Man from Mars in the movie; I thought it was Shawn Colvin singing but Gina once gently corrected me on that. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: lmoneil@webtv.net (Pepsi Cola) Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #413 Hello... I'm a newcomer to the discussion group ... 47 year old female, Orlando, Fl. I've been reading the discussion for some time and have contacted a few of you when you made me laugh or gave me something I needed ... but I need to feel a part. I've been a loner for a long time ... Joni ... my sister. There's so much I'd like to share with you but I'm sure that my feelings are very much the same one that yall have had ... cause in reading the discussion ... I have finally felt like I belong here. Been Joni freak since 1971. Joni was adopted, her name was Roberta Anderson, and I was too, adopted that is ... my name given to me from my mother was Henrietta Louise ... so I could identify there with Joni's sense of looking for love and where she belonged. I could identify with her relationship with her father and mother ... her relationship with her lovers ... she was always singing and writing about me and my feelings... it kept me sane. It's kept me from feeling totally isolated in this world. I wrote her a lettter in 1975 (Hissiing of Summer Lawns era) when she lived in Belair. The letter came back undeliverable ... and I was very unhappy. I still have it and it is still unopened ... I don't even remember what I wrote. Well ... I can't make this too long ... but when she sang about wanting a child ... I would ache so badly because I did too ... something to have ties to and to call mine. Then I found out she had a baby and gave it away to be adopted ... I was blown away. Then not too long ago ... I found out that her daughter's name was Lauren Killian(?) (I can't remember the other name) but ... I was dumbfounded .... shocked ... because my adopted name is Lauren. There are so many coincidences and I feel like she is my family ... she is in my heart cause she has made the most profound impact on my life. I see and feel the painting she sings. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:57:30 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc) Janene Otten wrote of David: > He may have played the harp but did he drink Harp? That's the burning > question that Irish inquiring minds want to know. He was probably doing something like that when he danced naked before the people of Israel. > I think Harp should be > kosher for Passover. If there is a K in a circle on your bottle, it is. > Reverend Vinnie, can you become Rabbi Vinnie for a > moment and give us your input? Tattoos are forbidden as defilement of the body, I believe, in the levitical holiness code (which of course is in the book of Leviticus). But it might not be in Leviticus, but I am quite sure it is in the Torah (the Penteteuch, the first five books) somewhere. A quick scan of my concordance and Torah index did not yield any results but I can keep looking. While bodily defilment might be the obstensive reason for the prohibition, it was undoubtely a reaction to tattooing by the religious cults in Palestine and elsewhere, a tattoo being a symbol of membership in such cult or devotion to some god who was not YHWH. > Beer should be part of the Seder. > my .02 Just keep it at .02 for anything higher in the blood level you are getting close to a DWI, OUIL, or other charge. Oh, you mean 2¢ worth... sorry. A Yom Kippur tip: Yom Kippur begins sundown on Sunday the 20th. On Monday at sundown, every Jewish restaurant in the world will be filled with people who have ended their 24 fast, so the best cooks/chefs will be in the kitchen. Wait about 6 hours after sundown... rember these folks haven't eaten for 24 hours... wait about six hours and when the rush is past, that's when to go to a Jewsih restuarant. These are little tihings you learn growing up in a diverse environment like Chicago... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck The Rev gave me permission to forward this: From: Vince Lavieri I hold in my hand "The Peaceful Sound" by Chuck Mitchell, a 33 1/3 rpm on a 45-sized disk, sung in English and Russian. (Chuck of course studied Russian in college.) In the jacket it mentions "He was once married to songwriter Joni Mitchell." It was mailed to me by Mary Mitchell, (Chuck's mom) and that reminds me I need to write to her. I do not imply I have any type of relationship with the Mitchells; it was that I was once in the newspaper a lot in the anti-nuclear movement days and Mary Mitchell liked what I was doing... and was trying to do some record promotion! (the Rev) Vince ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:47:49 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing and Sting's manager(SJC) From: "Nicholas Bates" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:33:59 +1000 Apparently having a tough, take no prisoners kind of manager can be very useful for an artist. It's a case of "well I'd love to have, but my manager just never passed it on" etc. Copeland has been Sting's manager for a thousand years so he knows exactly how he operates. My respect for his (Sting's) talent has certainly been diluted by the number of appalling sound tracks and duets with dubious talents that he has participated in. And now turning down our Joan - what more can I say! Seems like the making of the tribute album would have made a great documentary! And the question of just what is a tribute album is clearly to the fore here. Is it a collection of covers by the top selling artists of the day (Celine and the Dave Matthews band) or a genuine tribute by your peers (or a bit of both)? Of course it would be great to see JM reach a younger audience but she has come this far without too many visible signs of compromise...... Nicholas (guilty of lurking) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:37:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess > > > Catman mentioned West Side Story, but that is a major classic and true class. I did not intend to imply that The Sound Of Music, Paint Your Wagon or West Side Story were naff! I like them. I was just amused that people should be embarrassed by the music they like. However, Bob Muller said it much better! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:50:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck/Boho/Kelly/er...etc.... Les wrote: >PS - Have you cleaned your room today? Aw, mom, do I *have* to??? And someone (sorry!) wrote: >Does any one know what the word BOHO from BOHO Dance in HOSL means??? It comes from a Tom Wolfe essay, meaning bohemian, or aspiring bohemian. And Marksa973@aol.com.. >Kelly...Was this short for Kilauren? >Did she name the baby before she gave it up for adoption? Yes, she named the baby Kelly. I'm not sure, but I think Kilauren was named by her adoptive parents, maybe not even knowing about the name "Kelly"? And finally, JulieZW wrote: >ps. One thing though, what's all this attention to penis size? Do >"small-penis" men obsess about their penis size **all day long?** Clearly a subject I am unqualified to discuss. Have a good weekend, everybody! :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: lmoneil@webtv.net (Pepsi Cola) Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #415 I've been reading on and on ... the discussion and come to the part about Joni giving away her baby ... oh ... I'm crying right now ... for so long I thought she might be my mother ... but the age difference didn't work ... she was my mother talking to me .... crying tonight and feeling a lot better ... because it's okay. And Joni would be proud to have me as a daughter ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:54:08 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 99-09-17 15:48:07 EDT, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << But I wonder what Joni would have done had she found herself pregnant AFTER Blue was recorded, and had found success. Do you think she would have made a different plan for a baby? >> i wonder if she would have been able to record blue if she had not had the experience with her child? the two seem to go hand in hand. if she had found success first, i do think she would have kept the baby. from what i have read, she seemed frightened and overwhelmed at 18 and no money and no support systems. her story reminds me of the saying...show me a hero and i'll show you a tragedy. adoption is a wonderful thing. a miracle system that allows life to move ahead even in the worse circumstances. ss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:19:27 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil NJC - Tattoos In a message dated 9/17/1999 4:41:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << but I'd be willing to bet a few bucks there's either something in the Bible (Old Testament/ Torah) about this and/or that it isn't Kosher. >> I'm pretty certain that it has to do with not piercing/mutilating, etc. one's body, period. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:31:44 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC/Boho//er...etc.... Steve Dulson wrote, quoting great questions of JMDLers: > >Does any one know what the word BOHO from BOHO Dance in HOSL means??? > > It comes from a Tom Wolfe essay, meaning bohemian, or aspiring bohemian. What is an aspiring bohemian? I am Bohemian, 25%, from my mother's mother, Josephine (Josefa) nee Kallal. Other than being born of Bohemian descent, how does one who aspires to be a bohemian (and we are cool) get to be one? And Bohemians do dance, usually the polka. (I am blessed that I have the polka from 3 of the 4 grandparents, Polish, Bohemian, and German.) I have never understood what the phrase bohemian was supposed to mean, and if it is a slur or derogatory. After all, Bohemians made Mozart... Le Nozze di Figaro flopped in Vienna - but in Prague, it was a year of SRO and ovations and bravos! No matter how many times I watch La Boheme I cannot fathom what starving (and something self-absorbed) French people with t.b. have to do with Bohemians. And whatever it means in Rent is beyond me. Can anyone eludicate? > > > > > And finally, JulieZW wrote: > > >ps. One thing though, what's all this attention to penis size? Do > >"small-penis" men obsess about their penis size **all day long?** > > Steve thrusts back, "Clearly a subject I am unqualified to discuss." > Safe to say most men think/worry they are small. But I suspect very few obsess over it. Never a topic of conversation that I recall. And most men are - surprise - average. When my ex-wife and I were doing the fertility thing, it gave occasion for me to see an andrologist and I learned much from that. When I spoke of it to my friends, many kind of shyly asked what is average, I told them, and they all acted relieved... but to actually discuss it is not guy-like and to obsess is not likely. It is like when guys play basketball... we all know we are not big guys like Shaq O'Neill but we think we have clever moves that overcome what size disadvantage we may have. And it is the moves... not size... that men obsess about. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:18:15 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Chuck/Boho/Kelly/er...etc.... Definitely (NJC) On Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:51 AM, Steve Dulson [SMTP:steve@psitech.com] wrote: > And finally, JulieZW wrote: > >ps. One thing though, what's all this attention to penis size? Do > >"small-penis" men obsess about their penis size **all day long?** > > Clearly a subject I am unqualified to discuss. As I'm sure is true for _every_ other male on this list. Right lads? :-) (Hey! How much longer can we spin this thread out with crap humour like I've just used?) - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:27:44 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 9/17/1999 4:47:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << Do you think she would have made a different plan for a baby?" I would say so. I believe this was a very difficult decision for her to make. She had no money and no prospects at the time - and, of course, having a child out of wedlock was still such a taboo thing back then >> Though it's ludicrous of me to assume that I would have any idea what she would have done given different circumstances, my guess would be that she possibly would have still gone ahead with her adoption plan anyway. Joni is/was a free spirit- a brilliant and creative person- who would have found it very difficult to be tied down raising a child, regardless of her financial situation. No judgment here, just my take on it. She could have chosen ( I'm guessing here too) to have had a child when she was financially secure, but didn't. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:30:30 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess In a message dated 9/17/1999 5:20:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << While frantically trying to clean the house before their arrival, I must admit that I listened to "Fame" and an old Fred Astaire album. >> Well, that explains the broken foot! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:39:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: was joni adopted? someone today wrote that joni was an adopted child. have i been missing something? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:39:58 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Re: First 45 and Take a Free Ride (NJC) Yes, Yes............that's the one............. Rubber Ball will come bouncing back to you Laura RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/99 4:20:41 PM US Central Standard Time, > mann@chicagonet.net writes: > > << 2. Rubber Ball >> > > At first I thought you were talking about "Red Rubber Ball" by the Cyrkle, > but then I recalled the one you mean..."Like a rubber ball I'll come bouncing > back to you"...don't know who did it though - ya stumped me coupon queen! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:45:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) hilarious! great job, king bob!!! wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Viernes 17 de Septiembre de 1999 11:46 Asunto: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) > > >OK, this is dedicated to all of you who think it's embarrassing to have >these guys in your record collections... >(All intended in good fun, of course) > >Bob > >NP: The Boss, "Out In The Street" > >Raised on Snobbery (I won't insult you by telling you what this is to the >tune of) > >I was sittin in my room, in my private retreat, >I was playing Michael Jackson I was groovin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:57:59 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni quoted in Nickelodeon Cartoon!!!!! My five-year old was watching "Hey Arnold" Nicktoons on Nickelodeon. I was half-watching so I don't know the whole jist of this........but Arnold and his friend had played hookie at school and seems like everywhere they went they were running into someone they knew. I think (only half-watching while doing something else) it was when they decided to go back to school because it was too much stress trying to hide from adults that knew them that Arnold's Friend says "A free man in Paris unfettered and alive". Arnold says, "huh?" Then Arnold's friend says, "I heard it on a hippie record". I was so excited by this Joni quote!!!!! I'm going to have to hope they rerun this.........tape it........and send it in for the next Video Tree. Too cool! Anyone else catch this? Julie or Terry? Or any of you childless people who watch cartoons (I know you're out there!). Laura (WARNING: FREEBIE BELOW (NJC from this point on!!) Call 1-877-TRY-KSKP. I called expecting only a sample. Recorded message said to receive your sample, .55 cent coupon, and 10 MINUTE PHONE CARD. Automated system enter in only your Phone #. Hope this is still good. Could only call once from my home phone as it remembered I had already called. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:08:39 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 9/17/1999 9:18:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << You're quite right - I don't know how she could get through this without crying all the way through it - God, my eyes are misting over just thinking about it. How terribly sad it must be to have to give up your child, even if you know it's probably the best thing you could do for him or her. I can't even imagine having to part with one of my kids. And then, within a short while, to suddenly come into fortune and fame and to think if she had had that a year or so ago, she wouldn't have had to give up her daughter. It's too painful. >> ....and it goes beyond that. Didn't she have her daughter for almost a year befor giving her up for adoption? THAT would be next to impossible! No wonder she wrote such a cruel song about Chuck Mitchell...all those promises and then nothing! I had a king surely hits the head right on the nail! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:12:47 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 9/17/1999 10:07:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: << And now that they're reconnected, while there's the joy of that reunion, it's bittersweet because it's a constant reminder of the lost years of the relationship, like you said. >> Well you cannot take back the years but you shouldn't live with regret either. She has found her daughter and that is all that matters. She is a very happy and lucky mother! Cat..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:15:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Action"/penis size NJC I read somewhere that the penis is "in" > this year, launched by Ben Stiller in "Something About Mary." > Vanity Fair hypothesized that it was the Monica and Bill scandal that initiated the word's infiltration into the language of the media. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:21:38 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos In a message dated 9/17/1999 11:51:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << Ashara, I will send you copies of what i got. >Anyone else, I will get them scanned and send them to the >JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com. HOwever, if fear has suddenly taken over your >body (pics in wigs???) let me know and I won't share them with the world just >our little list! >Catgirl >> btw does anyone have a scanner that I may send these pics to for scanning? anyone, anyone?? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:21:24 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Photos - --part1_987e7ba9.25144314_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/17/1999 11:51:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << At 12:30 AM 9/17/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hello gang! >I have some pics that are very incriminating!!!! All those gorgeous Joni >wanna-be's parading around. Ashara, I will send you copies of what i got. >Anyone else, I will get them scanned and send them to the >JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com. HOwever, if fear has suddenly taken over your >body (pics in wigs???) let me know and I won't share them with the world just >our little list! >Catgirl >ps I also have a bunch of shots of Ashara's dog Pippin with all these Joni >item on her.....hmmmmmm...... >> - --part1_987e7ba9.25144314_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:51:58 -0400 Received: from doit.pgh.net (doit.pgh.net [209.166.191.134]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v61.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from itjfvkli (dap-209-114-167-81.pm4-1-s5.eth.pgh.pa.stargate.net [209.114.167.81]) by doit.pgh.net (8.9.0/8.8.7/PGH.NET-02) with SMTP id LAA25231 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990916234223.009fc360@doit.pgh.net> X-Sender: jzw@doit.pgh.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:42:23 -0400 To: CaTGirl627@aol.com From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Photos In-Reply-To: <3e9283c9.25131df8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 12:30 AM 9/17/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hello gang! >I have some pics that are very incriminating!!!! All those gorgeous Joni >wanna-be's parading around. Ashara, I will send you copies of what i got. >Anyone else, I will get them scanned and send them to the >JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com. HOwever, if fear has suddenly taken over your >body (pics in wigs???) let me know and I won't share them with the world just >our little list! >Catgirl >ps I also have a bunch of shots of Ashara's dog Pippin with all these Joni >item on her.....hmmmmmm...... Im sorry bout that Catgirl. I didn't realize that that was your camera. Would you let me know when you get the photos scanned. I love to see them. Thanks Julie - --part1_987e7ba9.25144314_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:34:05 -0400 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: little green... (and introduction) Hi folks, I'm new and a Joni fan since the late 60's. I've read the articles about Kilauren and still have some info fresh in my mind, so here goes: At 08:27 PM 9/17/99 -0400, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/17/1999 4:47:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >cateri@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Do you think she would have made a > different plan for a baby?" > > I would say so. I believe this was a very difficult decision for her to > make. She had no money and no prospects at the time - and, of course, > having a child out of wedlock was still such a taboo thing back then >> > >Though it's ludicrous of me to assume that I would have any idea what she >would have done given different circumstances, my guess would be that she >possibly would have still gone ahead with her adoption plan anyway. Joni >is/was a free spirit- a brilliant and creative person- who would have found >it very difficult to be tied down raising a child, regardless of her >financial situation. No judgment here, just my take on it. Joni talked about the paradox of being dirt poor and marrying Chuck Mitchell as a last ditch effort to keep "Kelly Dale Anderson, as she was named, while one year later having a record contract. She said, "How was I to know and to survive until that time?" in so many words. A friend of hers recalls when Joni met a couple with a four year old daughter. When they'd left, she said, "That could have been my daughter," so Kelly was forefront in her mind, even then. Joni talked about not having other children and that it had to do with the way that people were, I think she even said something along the lines of, "Everyone had that Peter Pan thing going." It seems clear that she would have kept Kelly had she been secure, but one or two months into the marriage with Mitchell, it became evident that it was not going to work. (What loveless marriage does?) At any rate, giving up her daughter seems to have perpetuated an incredible grief which likely contributed to her notable depth as a poet/songwriter. The woman is a genius, as far as I am concerned. Anyway, I am a parent, author, poet, editor and publisher and live in Upstate New York by way of New England. LL ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ http://www.angelfire.com/ny/DeMerle/index.html de_merle@iagora.com "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:31:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) In a message dated 9/17/1999 1:28:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluor.com writes: << OK, this is dedicated to all of you who think it's embarrassing to have these guys in your record collections... (All intended in good fun, of course) Bob NP: The Boss, "Out In The Street" Raised on Snobbery (I won't insult you by telling you what this is to the tune of) I was sittin in my room, in my private retreat, I was playing Michael Jackson I was groovin -------------------- ’ to the beat A little bit of "Beat It" and some PYT, Along comes a JMDLer and says to me, "Turn off that crap that you’re playing, you know, it’s a shame, it’s a shame, it’s a cryin’ shame" Look at that Joker, dude just has way too much fame Here’s some Joni , put it on now, Can’t you clearly see that I’m such a highbrow In case you couldn’t tell it I was raised on snobbery.... Well, I had a lot of records once, I used to play them all with glee, I remember those days, brings such happy recollections to me, First I bought the Carpenters, and then Charlie Rich But I can’t stand him now, the son of a bitch ‘Cause Joni’s all I’m playing I was raised on Snobbery So throw away America, your Barry White, The Monkees, Yaz, You can only spin your Joni, well maybe I’ll allow some Jazz Hey where ya going, why all the strife, You really think variety is still the spice of life? You need to be like I am, I was raised on snobbery... -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- That was EXCELLENT!!! and I just love the disclaimer! catgirl ps I guess I am almost a Joni snob..sorry..but she is great and not many people hold candles to her...however, I have over 600 CD's and that does NOT include Joni! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:39:33 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re[2]: Photos At 21:21 09/17/1999 EDT, Catgirl asked: >btw does anyone have a scanner that I may send these pics to for scanning? If there is a copy center (like Kinko's) near you, they usually have professional quality scanners (better than most home scanners, these produce very high quality scans) which you can use to make personal copies for little cost... especially if you bring your own diskettes. RAVEN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:57:58 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing and Sting's manager(SJC) In a message dated 9/17/1999 7:22:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Apparently having a tough, take no prisoners kind of manager can be very useful for an artist. It's a case of "well I'd love to have, but my manager just never passed it on" etc. Copeland has been Sting's manager for a thousand years so he knows exactly how he operates. My respect for his (Sting's) talent has certainly been diluted by the number of appalling sound tracks and duets with dubious talents that he has participated in. And now turning down our Joan - what more can I say! >> How DARE he turn her down?!?!?! Well, it make me question his intelligence that is for sure! She has had some very interesting guest stars on her lps from the better the Sting, Peter Gabriel to the weird croonings of Willy Nelson. I hope that Sting was not involved in that decsion or tsk tsk on him!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:18:37 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Welcome to the list In a message dated 9/17/99 3:31:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lmoneil@webtv.net writes: << she is in my heart cause she has made the most profound impact on my life. I see and feel the painting she sings. >> Hey! I'm so glad that you decided to jump in and post. I think that your last line is a real common demoninator for so many of us. I grew up and out of my teenaged angst listening to Joni. During my stint w/ the Moonies, I chose her songs as part of our after dinner circle sing, during the bleakest times of 1993 - 1994, her music was just about all that I listened to. Welcome to the list and keep posting! MG - floor avoidance, but hey I'm 1/2 way done. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:36:17 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... (and introduction) In a message dated 9/17/99 7:32:00 PM US Central Standard Time, de_merle@iagora.com writes: << Hi folks, I'm new and a Joni fan since the late 60's. >> Hi LL! Welcome to the group! Thanks for your contribution... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:13:13 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Joni quoted in Nickelodeon Cartoon!!!!! At 07:57 PM 9/17/99 -0500, mann@chicagonet.net wrote: >My five-year old was watching "Hey Arnold" Nicktoons >knew them that Arnold's Friend says "A free man in >Paris unfettered and alive". Arnold says, "huh?" >Then Arnold's friend says, "I heard it on a hippie record". >Anyone else catch this? Julie or Terry? Or any of you >childless people who watch cartoons (I know you're out there!). Laura, Yes yes, I saw that on "Hey Arnold" last year when we tried cable for a few months, and I wrote about it here. I couldn't believe it when I heard it! Like you, I was busy folding laundry and overheard it. If I recall, I think that this cartoon comment began a thread about where Joni's lyrics have appeared in surprising places. -Julie ps Laura, I have yet to get that "firetalk" gear (microphone etc,) so we can chat via our computers. Will work on it this weekend. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #416 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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