From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #415 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 415 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Country Yuk! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Sting's Snubbing (SJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Blow me! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: NJC first 45s [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] NJC Attn: Tape Traders [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] tribute Album ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: little green... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC: Jonifest movie [luvart@snet.net] Re: little green... [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: NJC: Jonifest movie ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: little green... ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC first 45s [Linda Worster ] RE: Joni on VH-1 ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: little green... [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Grace of my heart ["Catherine McKay" ] Chuck (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: little green... [Siresorrow@aol.com] Good vs. Evil (vljc) [Janene Otten ] RE: Joni movie cast [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Grace of my heart [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Grace of my heart [rachel kramer bussel ] NJC: "Action"/penis size ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Bounced Message ] Raised on Snobbery (Parody) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) [Anne Sandstrom ] RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) [Anne Sandstrom ] Raised on Snobbery (2nd Try) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc)NJC [catman ] Re: Raised on Snobbery (Parody)NJC [catman ] Re: Chuck (NJC) [Les Irvin ] NJC New address [catman ] Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size [jan gyn ] RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) [Heather Galli ] Re: Sting's Snubbing (SJC) [Don Rowe ] BOHO Dance ["David Greenspoon" ] Re: beginners dream njc [Heather Galli ] Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: BOHO Dance ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] RE: Good vs. Evil (vljc) [Louis Lynch ] Re: little green... [Marksa973@aol.com] Re: little green... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: little green... [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Raised on Snobbery (2nd Try) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Don Rowe ] Re: BOHO Dance ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Good vs. Evil NJC - Tattoos ["Catherine McKay" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:44:00 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Country Yuk! (NJC) Penny wrote: >puke....COUNTRY music What, you don't like COUNTRY? Then do I have the website for you!! Yee Haw! The Officicial 'I hate country' page http://members.tripod.com/~Kalamazoo/index.html What do you hate most about country music? It encourages the use of chewing tobacco It makes the effects of paint chips/living under power lines glamorous There are subliminal messages in each song saying "Go hunt deer". Millions of people die each year from line dancing accidents PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:22:31 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing (SJC) In a message dated 9/17/99 4:17:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vanpelt101@hotmail.com writes: << Wow. After reading Wally's update, I'm surprised. If you like someone's music as much as Sting says he likes Joni's, wouldn't you participate with no strings attached? That's kind of rude if you ask me. >> Is it really rude? Wally's update mentioned agents and "people." I would venture to guess that it is less a snub and more the artist as a person being more and more removed from the "dealings" and their collaboration time governed by elaborate and intricate contracts. Remember the Mingus story? How Mingus tried to reach Joni through "usual" channels, (what are those???), but the "people" he reached couldn't believe that she would be interested or that his request was genuine? I betcha that it is more along those lines than anything else. Art and business may pay the mortgage, but I'm sure that there are projects and collaborations that get lost in the sauce. MG - who knows less than doodlysquat about art but works with Profit Margins every single day...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:36:26 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Blow me! (NJC) Helen wrote (ages ago) > Is there always so much fuss whenever Bill Clinton goes anywhere? Randy wrote: >This is solely for the protection of the female inhabitants of >wherever the President happens to be visiting. I've just read that in a survey of 100 Kiwi women, when asked: Would you sleep with Bill Clinton? 50% said "Never again!". Looks like at least he had a good time in New Zealand, then? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:41:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC first 45s Linda Worster wrote: > I have great memories of singing that one and quite a few other Beatles > songs with my Mom and my brother as we did dishes at night. You jogged memories for me. Spending hours over the dishes as a family we passed the time singing songs at the top of our lungs. A family past time long gone. Was it really drudgery? np: Candide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:42:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Paint Your Wagon and West Side Story? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:01:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: NJC Attn: Tape Traders Morning all and Happy Friday! I am currently in the market for live stuff from the following artists: Husker Du, Replacements, Stones, Hendrix, Art of Noise, Who, Maybe a little Allman Bros...... I've got a pretty good bunch of Joni stuff for trade or if you want blanks & postage I'll be glad to do that too... Please respond privately... Since Evian now sits on the slut throne, I have to get busy...:~) Bob NP: Spin Doctors, "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong" (live) -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:05:16 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: tribute Album Dear Lonely Travellers I have just read the exciting news re tribute album. I think it's gonna be great. One thing that mead me laugh was Janet Jackson's choice of cover. I thought that she would go for something a little vocally easier and with a little more control like a ballad. Much as I like Janet, vocally she's quite meek. Can you imagine 'This is his story, it's a tough one for me to sing...' Bless. Anyway can't wait to hear the album. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:15:15 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: little green... You said: "It's just hit me how courageous and beautiful it was for Joni to include Little Green on the Blue album." You're quite right - I don't know how she could get through this without crying all the way through it - God, my eyes are misting over just thinking about it. How terribly sad it must be to have to give up your child, even if you know it's probably the best thing you could do for him or her. I can't even imagine having to part with one of my kids. And then, within a short while, to suddenly come into fortune and fame and to think if she had had that a year or so ago, she wouldn't have had to give up her daughter. It's too painful. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:16:46 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Hey, c'mon - the Sound of Music is a classic. I was raised on that stuff. I've got the soundtrack for Camelot (with Julie Andrews, Richard Burton and Robert Goulet!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:18:10 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: NJC: Jonifest movie At 06:14 PM 9/16/99 +0100, catman wrote: >> Julie stated: I >> think Cage's one unique characteristic which wins us over (again and >> again,) are his eyes--- > Then Colin stated: >It's always in the eyes. No matter how handsome a man might be, if he doesn't have 'eyes' it's a waste of >time. One reason why so many model types don't appeal, to me anyway. > Sean Connery! He has the most wonderful eyes! (just like Mark from Seattle!) Heather > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:31:22 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... In a message dated 9/17/99 9:18:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << I can't even imagine having to part with one of my kids. And then, within a short while, to suddenly come into fortune and fame and to think if she had had that a year or so ago, she wouldn't have had to give up her daughter. It's too painful. > i think that exact tension became the structural support upon which most of her art was built. we could call a tension like that a 'turbulent indigo'. more than the men that came and went, more than the record lables, i think you have identified her most defining quality as a person and as an artist. i personally think it broke her heart and it never has been right since. it was a death that can not be replaced. all those years. ss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:39:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC: Jonifest movie > > Julie stated: I > >> think Cage's one unique characteristic which wins us over (again and > >> again,) are his eyes--- > > > Then Colin stated: > >It's always in the eyes. No matter how handsome a man might be, if he > doesn't have 'eyes' it's a waste of > >time. One reason why so many model types don't appeal, to me anyway. > > > Sean Connery! He has the most wonderful eyes! (just like Mark from Seattle!) > > Heather Ok, people, this is starting to sound like an urban myth here. Thanks for the compliment (Sean Connery is one of those men that I think is still reaaly hot) but James Bond I ain't. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:43:26 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: little green... > i think that exact tension became the structural support upon which most of > her art was built. we could call a tension like that a 'turbulent indigo'. > more than the men that came and went, more than the record lables, i think > you have identified her most defining quality as a person and as an artist. > i personally think it broke her heart and it never has been right since. it > was a death that can not be replaced. all those years. ss I agree. Joni has often said that she was quite the good time gal in her teen years and a lot of the people she knew back then were puzzled by the confessional poet who seemed so serious and sad. Having to give up that child colored so much of what she created. But I still maintain that TTT shows a certain measure of peace at having reconnected. She's free of it to a large extent now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:39:12 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: NJC first 45s >Linda wrote: > >> I have great memories of singing that one and quite a few other Beatles >> songs with my Mom and my brother as we did dishes at night. > and Jerry remembered: > Spending hours over the dishes as a family we >passed the time singing songs at the top of our lungs. A family past time >long gone. Was it really drudgery? sounds just like what happened in our house. I know that is how I learned to sing harmony. Played some wicked air guitar too... Definitely learned how to make everyday tasks *not* be drugery. Linda np. Floyd's departing songs on the windows and roof. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:00:22 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Joni on VH-1 You asked: >Didn't Much Music do a prog called "The New Music"? Had a wonderful >Canadian bias, being Canadian, and we used to get it late nights >in the UK. Fabulous stuff. I'm sure I remember seeting Joni on there, >as well as The Tragically Hip. > >Or have I got it all wrong? > Yup, they did. I think they still do. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:58:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: little green... <> I would concur with this, there are the obvious breadcrumbs like "Green", "Chinese Cafe", even "Morning Morgantown", but I think too in a more subtle way so many of her references to her "search for love" have to do with her search for her daughter as well... And now that they're reconnected, while there's the joy of that reunion, it's bittersweet because it's a constant reminder of the lost years of the relationship, like you said. She's said in interviews that TTT didn't really deal with the reunion, I'm sure her next disc of original tunes will (whenever THAT comes to the surface, who knows?). Maybe she'll write "Another Song to Sharon" telling her of her joy of finally having a family too... Bob NP: Sponge, "Rotting Pinata" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:12:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Grace of my heart Jason said: "Grace Of My Heart (look...Joni Content!) still has not been released on home video in the UK (at least at retail, I know you can rent it in some bigger stores still)." I've never heard of this. Is it a music video? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:59:58 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck (NJC) Our list mom Les wrote: >Chuck Mitchell What did he record? I'm sure it's unavailable. Possible tree material? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:58:43 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... mark.travis@gte.net writes: << But I still maintain that TTT shows a certain measure of peace at having reconnected. She's free of it to a large extent now. >> and Bob writes: < Subject: Good vs. Evil (vljc) I first want to thank Craig and Cat for their posts. I really appreciated the words of wisdom. I had a disturbing conversation with a friend this morning on the train. I was so upset at myself for being disturbed. That happens to me sometimes. I was just frustrated inside. I tend to have a rather philosophical way of thinking while my friend was being a bit more scientific. The topic of conversation was why Jews do not approve of tattoos. This led us into to the realms of religion, politics and economics. Heavy duty for a morning train ride to work; I should have known better. Anyway, the point is that the Pete Seeger lyrics were appropriate because I feel like that today. I feel like there are people who go through life with blinders, some whose are wide open, some who take risks and some who don't, some who are leaders and other who follow. Where does all of this get us, humankind? Why don't people trust their hearts? Is there true evil in the hearts of evildoers or is it learned? The lyrics helped me to regain some strength of purpose. This leads me to Craig's post. I am touched so deeply by these acts of sacrifice and commitment in much of the same way I am disturbed by the realization of the heinous acts that have occurred throughout history. I want to thank Craig and all of those who are working together in love. I am also thankful that fear does not always overshadow love. I pray for all of us and for all of those who have endured such loss. Forgive, me, I don't always brood so publicly! I know I wrote some Joni content so here it is: When I heard about the Joni covers album, I called some people I know to try to get some inside info. on the project. This was about a year and half ago. I eventually spoke to some of the "puppetmasters" and I asked if I could record a song. Well, add me to the list of those who were turned away! *LOL* (Geez, if Morrissey was turned away, it's no wonder they wouldn't give me the time of day!)After reading the Labor Day posts, it seems a JMDL album is a great idea. Thanks for reading. Janene np: Tori Amos Crucify EP (I'm obviously still feelin' the strain!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:26:04 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Joni movie cast OH, OH !!! Can I change the casting of "me" in the JoniFest movie to Jodie Foster? Please? Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:32:31 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess I couldn't think of anything I own that I'd hide BUT my sister and I were remembering the two 45s we had (but didn't buy) at my grandparents' cottage in New Hampshire when we were growing up: "Big John" (sappy song about a guy who rescues some miners) "Hey Little Cobra" (a Beach Boys soundalike band crooning about a car) Speaking of which, I recall being dragged to a Beach Boys concert the day Miles of Aisles came out. What a horrible evening! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:08:34 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Grace of my heart In a message dated 9/17/99 10:15:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << ason said: "Grace Of My Heart (look...Joni Content!) still has not been released on home video in the UK (at least at retail, I know you can rent it in some bigger stores still)." I've never heard of this. Is it a music video? >> It is a feature-length movie about a songwriter who wants to be a singer, starring Illeana Douglas and John Torturro. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: rachel kramer bussel Subject: Re: Grace of my heart and at the very end you can see Shawn Colvin in it, playing her guitar in the woods... It's supposedly a fictionalized account of Carole King's life. I recommend it... rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:25:12 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: "Action"/penis size At 03:34 PM 9/16/99 -0700, jan gyn wrote: >re: alternative beauty >Wendie Malik's cool. So's Illeana Douglas. I cannot wait to share my excitement over the new sitcom, "Action" that premiered last night on FOX and stars Illeana Douglas as Jay Mohr's prostitute. Jay Mohr stars as an LA 'sell-your-soul' agent borrowed from his role in "Jerry Maguire." The writing in the diaglogue is sometimes so fast and 'inside-the-business' that it forced me to pay attention to every word, but I was not disappointed. It's sexy, very racy for tv--- but smart (not crass like the Bundy's), very irreverant and laughs at it's political inncorrect-ness. "Action" feels like what "Archie Bunker" must have felt like when it first landed in our laps. -JulieZW ps. One thing though, what's all this attention to penis size? Do "small-penis" men obsess about their penis size **all day long?** It seems to me that every comedy, be it TV or Film, make reference to some guy feeling inadequate. (Not that I'm asking all you 'small penis men' to come forward with candid comments...) I read somewhere that the penis is "in" this year, launched by Ben Stiller in "Something About Mary." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:39:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size I thought Action was a scream. It's like high octane Ally. Watch it. You won't believe how sharp and edgy the writing is. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:46:06 -0400 From: "Barbara Burst" Subject: throat singers from tuva NJC i know i'm a little behind the 8ball here, but anyone interested in this should try to see the documentary "genghis blues" (genghis kahn was a hero warrior for the tuvans). i saw it at sundance, and it was THE favorite film of the gang of people i went out there with. it's been playing in tons of film festivals, so lookout if you've got one in your town. i got to see the main character play in this little church out there, and then two days after i got back, i went to see Bela Fleck, and in the middle of the show, he pulled the same guy onstage! they did three songs together, which was really a trip. i can't say that i'd really enjoy listening to throat singing on a disc for an extended period of time, but seeing the performances live is amazing. the people of tuva have a really good vibe - their country was absorbed by the USSR, but they managed to keep their culture somewhat intact under soviet rule. barbara np: chaka - hits ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:14:28 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess From: PATRICIA HILLIS Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:37:11 -0400 Well, since my friend Catherine has fezzed up, I really must do the same. We are supposed to meet this weekend - but I must come clean first and hope that she won't change her mind. (Actually 3 of us Canadian JMDLer's are meeting on Sunday - myself, Catherine and Anne Madden). ...Something came over me this summer....I guess I really am a pop-lover at heart...I went out and bought some cds that could probably be found in Catherine's kids' collection....but you must understand that I only bought them for one song only...and that I do plan to sell them back to one of the cd stores that buy back cds... Britney Spears......love the song "baby one more time" especially the line "my loneliness is killing me" Jennifer Paige....love everything about the song "Crush" Back Street Boys (ouch).....really love "I want it that way" ...even though the words do not make sense to me.... I even worked out the chords for the guitar Robyn....."do you know what it takes" OK. Now I feel cleansed! Pat "life is for learning" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:23:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) - --0__=4PAom0scPK2AsV9eGweVmulF7W01jMTLGA0PmsKkQBdzZzsjG6fB6OUR Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline OK, this is dedicated to all of you who think it's embarrassing to have these guys in your record collections... (All intended in good fun, of course) Bob NP: The Boss, "Out In The Street" Raised on Snobbery (I won't insult you by telling you what this is to the tune of) I was sittin in my room, in my private retreat, I was playing Michael Jackson I was groovin - --0__=4PAom0scPK2AsV9eGweVmulF7W01jMTLGA0PmsKkQBdzZzsjG6fB6OUR Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =92 to the beat A little bit of "Beat It" and some PYT, Along comes a JMDLer and says to me, "Turn off that crap that you=92re playing, you know, it=92s a shame, i= t=92s a shame, it=92s a cryin=92 shame" Look at that Joker, dude just has way too much fame Here=92s some Joni , put it on now, Can=92t you clearly see that I=92m such a highbrow In case you couldn=92t tell it I was raised on snobbery.... Well, I had a lot of records once, I used to play them all with glee, I remember those days, brings such happy recollections to me, First I bought the Carpenters, and then Charlie Rich But I can=92t stand him now, the son of a bitch =91Cause Joni=92s all I=92m playing I was raised on Snobbery So throw away America, your Barry White, The Monkees, Yaz, You can only spin your Joni, well maybe I=92ll allow some Jazz Hey where ya going, why all the strife, You really think variety is still the spice of life? You need to be like I am, I was raised on snobbery... =20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or=20 entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential =20 and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended =20 recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any =20 use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, =20 reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message=20 is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact =20 the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any =20 views expressed in this message are those of the individual =20 sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the =20 company. =20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 =20 = - --0__=4PAom0scPK2AsV9eGweVmulF7W01jMTLGA0PmsKkQBdzZzsjG6fB6OUR-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:48:54 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) Bob? uh-oh. I think Bob was cut off mid-parody... - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:23 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) OK, this is dedicated to all of you who think it's embarrassing to have these guys in your record collections... (All intended in good fun, of course) Bob NP: The Boss, "Out In The Street" Raised on Snobbery (I won't insult you by telling you what this is to the tune of) I was sittin in my room, in my private retreat, I was playing Michael Jackson I was groovin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:52:22 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) oops - sorry if I panicked For some reason my mail server (or someone's) sent me the rest of this as an attachment. Bob - this is HILARIOUS!!! We HAVE to do this as a group at the next JoniFest (as a video, complete w/old records, etc.) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Raised on Snobbery (2nd Try) - --0__=y8PoqWeTvcHEeVY4JELtvXEubGTaEcQMTQA3nUDDkQHb87Zepdvg9h9R Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline We'll try this again... Raised on Snobbery I was sittin in my room, in my private retreat, I was playing Michael Jackson I was groovin - --0__=y8PoqWeTvcHEeVY4JELtvXEubGTaEcQMTQA3nUDDkQHb87Zepdvg9h9R Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =92 to the beat A Little bit of =93Beat It=94 and some PYT, Along comes a JMDLer and says to me, =93Turn off that crap that you=92re playing, you know, it=92s a shame,= it=92s a shame, it=92s a cryin=92 shame=94 Look at that Joker, dude just has way too much fame Here=92s some Joni =96 put it on now, Can=92t you clearly see that I=92m such a highbrow In case you couldn=92t tell it I was raised on snobbery=85 Well, I had a lot of records once, I used to play them all with glee, I remember those days, brings such happy recollections to me, First I bought the Carpenters, and then Charlie Rich But I can=92t stand him now, the son of a bitch =91Cause Joni=92s all I=92m playing I was raised on Snobbery So throw away America, Barry White, The Monkees, Yaz, You can only spin your Joni, well maybe I=92ll allow some Jazz Hey where ya going, why all the strife, You really think variety is still the spice of life? You need to be like I am, I was raised on snobbery=85 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or=20 entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential =20 and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended =20 recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any =20 use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, =20 reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message=20 is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact =20 the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any =20 views expressed in this message are those of the individual =20 sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the =20 company. =20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 =20 = - --0__=y8PoqWeTvcHEeVY4JELtvXEubGTaEcQMTQA3nUDDkQHb87Zepdvg9h9R-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:52:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc)NJC Janene-it is good to think and you have no need to apologise for it. To answer your question, imo people do not have evil hearts/souls. I think evil/fear is learned from experience and acted upon. I do not advoctae excusing people's bad behaviour because they had a hard time though. I also do not blame an evil force. We have responsibilty for our actions. There are those who are so badly damaged, they are not responsible, but I guess I believe no-one is beyond the reach of love. Unfortuantely, people's belief in evil and fear is far greater than their belief in love, hence evil/fear appears to be be real and stronger. The more love the less fear, the more fear the less love. In the end it is down to the choices we make-what we decide to believe is crucial to how we will experience life. We live out our thoughts and beliefs. we create our own world and everyone's world is different. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:55:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Raised on Snobbery (Parody)NJC Brilliant and to the point bob! thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:56:29 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Chuck (NJC) At 08:59 AM 9/17/1999 , Steve Dulson wrote: >Our list mom Les wrote: > >Chuck Mitchell >What did he record? I'm sure it's unavailable. Possible tree material? If there is a lot of interest - I can certainly find a way to circulate the music from this album. Email me privately if you'd like to hear it. Les PS - Have you cleaned your room today? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:01:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC New address Please note my new email address: catman@apso.screaming.net - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:15:58 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size (snip) > -JulieZW >ps. One thing though, what's all this attention to penis size? Do >"small-penis" men obsess about their penis size **all day long?** It seems >to me that every comedy, be it TV or Film, make reference to some guy >feeling inadequate. (Not that I'm asking all you 'small penis men' to come >forward with candid comments...) I read somewhere that the penis is "in" (SNIP!) I agree; 'Action' was funny with plenty of groan inducing moments. It was like a Fox version of that Altman movie 'The Player'. This'll be fun to watch with friends while drinking wine. - -jan on bookshelf, 'The Penile Colony'- Kafka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:06:54 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Raised on Snobbery (Parody) On Friday, September 17, 1999 6:52 PM, Anne Sandstrom [SMTP:asandstrom@allaire.com] wrote: > oops - sorry if I panicked > > For some reason my mail server (or someone's) sent me the rest of this as an > attachment. I'm afraid it's worse than that - it's Bob's mail *software* that does this. As to why... well that's a mystery. Bob: I guess you need to take a hard stare at your e-mail program. Sowweeee.... Good parody though :) - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:26:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo Zee gut doctor zed: <> Veddy eenteresting point, Herr Doctor... It koot be zey ver sinking about "Ve ah stahdust, ve ah GOLTEN"...? Und zey too are tryink to get back to zee gahden... Zinzerely, Your humble azzociate. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:40:31 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) >Heather, our resident Simon LeBon fan, wrote: > Evian speaks from the throne with his scepter in hand .... >Heather darling, if you only knew how compulsive I am about a clean >bathroom! I have annoyed my wife, my family, and every roomate I have >ever had with my bathroom cleaning. Do I do toilets..... give me a >brush and a can of comet, or some of that hideous smelling lysol in the >little brown bottle that smells like a hospital, and a 2000 Flushes blue >puck, and I am a happy pappy! I am also compulsive with doing laundry, >and Heaven help the person who tries to wash my clothes! I'm a Lysol girl myself .... linen scent.... gotta holster with two cans fully loaded. However, lest >I sound like Martha Stewart, I can't make a bed to save my life... a >blind three year old with no arms could make a better bed than me. >Believe me Heather, a quarter would bounce much better on Dyan Cannon's >cheek than it would on my bed. And if you want me to fix something or >do something simple like hang a picture, get ready to laugh. I just >pretend that I don't have a tool in the house and thus I can't do >anything. We need to get you hooked up to HGTV (the Home & Garden network). As far as making a bed .... I got those red cross corners down pat. I can also change the sheets while someone is still in the bed! I little something I learned doing volunteer work at the hospital as a young girl. I also iron the pillow cases. Nothing like a nice crisp linen! >Evian, a.k.a. the Tydee Bowl Man I remember the Tydee Bowl Man! He was shown in his boat right down in the bowl. I think his theme song should've been 'You Dropped A Bomb on Me' - disco tune ... can't remember who did it (Laura can you help?) Heather - who really liked those cute Taylor boys better .... who didn't! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Sting's Snubbing (SJC) I think it's kind of job requirement for artists' agents to be jerks -- I greatly admire anyone who can put up with them for any amount of time -- and though I love Joni and her music, I wouldn't touch trying to put together a tribute collection like this with a tem-foot pole. Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:53:27 PDT From: "David Greenspoon" Subject: BOHO Dance Hi!!! Does any one know what the word BOHO from BOHO Dance in HOSL means??? I have look in dictionaries, encyclopedias, all to no avail. the only thing I can think of is that the word Boho is an abbreviation of Bohemian, which would make sense. Any thoughts??? Yours David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:00:21 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: beginners dream njc >In a message dated 9/16/1999 3:06:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Chris.Marshall@secure-si.co.uk writes: > ><< David: while I was there I managed to find JTOJM. Congrats, it's > a fine piece of work. General note to all: if you liked the sound > of JTOJM, pick up "Tales from the Acoustic Planet" by Bela Fleck. > It's quirky, but completely wonderful with it. And there's a bit > of bowed double bass in there that'll shake your foundations if > your hi-fi is up to it. > >> >already got it! I love Bela Fleck and the Flecktones! >Catgirl Another Bela Fleck & the Flecktones here!! Also a Victor Wooton fan. E-mail privately if anyone cares to chat about them :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:05:12 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil (vljc) In a message dated 9/17/99 11:19:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JaneneO@mji.com writes: << The topic of conversation was why Jews do not approve of tattoos. >> My girlfriend is 26, not Jewish and has a tattoo or two. She was surprised to hear my explanation that Jews do not get tattoos because it reminds us of the numbers on the arms of our Holocaust victims and survivors. I don't know if there is another reason besides that, but that one has always been good enough for me. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: BOHO Dance It's Manhattan shorthand for Bohemian. Like SoHo, Tribeca,etc. Jerry On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, David Greenspoon wrote: > Hi!!! > > Does any one know what the word BOHO from BOHO Dance in HOSL means??? I > have look in dictionaries, encyclopedias, all to no avail. the only thing I > can think of is that the word Boho is an abbreviation of Bohemian, which > would make sense. Any thoughts??? > > Yours > David > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:22:21 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Good vs. Evil (vljc) About Jews and tattoos, I am sure tattoos are forbidden in the Old Testament. One of books of the Pentateuch condemns "marks on the skin." A dear Jewish friend of mine, a wise and wonderful lady, joked one time that the Holocaust tattoos are a good reason, that the Scripture is an even better reason, but the REAL reason Jewish women don't get tattoos is that it's too hard to find shoes to match. Harper Lou (Out of his Irish element, but hey -- Kind David was a harp player, too!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:26:24 EDT From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... I'm not sure if this has come up before, but.... I have a CD that includes Joni singing "Little Green" live. I believe it was from one of the appearances at the Second Fret coffeehouse in Philadelphia in the late 60s. At the very end of the song, she sings "Kelly Green, be a gypsy dancer." It was the first time I had heard her use "Kelly" in the song. It's not on the "Blue" album version. Was this short for Kilauren? Did she name the baby before she gave it up for adoption? I always loved the song and didn't even realize what it was about until I learned the whole story about Kilauren. Does anyone know? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:34:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: little green... You asked: "Do y'all think she has forgiven herself?" IMO, yes - because she now knows where her daughter is, knows she was cared for by a loving family and has turned out all right. I think it would be very difficult to imagine that your child may have ended up with people who had abused her or neglected her. And now Joni has this new relationship not just with her daughter, but with grandchildren as well. That has to be a balm to soothe her sorrows. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:44:52 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: NJC: "Action"/penis size I thought the first episode was fantastic, the second was good but lagged slightly behind the pace of the first. I adore Illeana Douglas, and also the Warren Zevon song used as the theme song, Even a Dog Can Shake Hands. Also interesting, and slightly joni content, is the character of the billionaire hollywood mogul who immediately brought David Geffen to mind. (also- Keanu Reeves appears in the episode and I was waiting for him to pop up in the party scene at the home of the gay mogul) this show is definitely the most promising of the season. Bill >I thought Action was a scream. It's like high octane Ally. Watch it. >You won't believe how sharp and edgy the writing is. > >Jerry > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:45:00 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: little green... You know me, whenever adoption is discussed I become a bit wild-eyed. Since my daughter reunited with her bio family, I've found that I cannot even listen to this song without crying. But I wonder what Joni would have done had she found herself pregnant AFTER Blue was recorded, and had found success. Do you think she would have made a different plan for a baby? Terry In a message dated 9/17/1999 9:18:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << You're quite right - I don't know how she could get through this without crying all the way through it - God, my eyes are misting over just thinking about it. How terribly sad it must be to have to give up your child, even if you know it's probably the best thing you could do for him or her. I can't even imagine having to part with one of my kids. And then, within a short while, to suddenly come into fortune and fame and to think if she had had that a year or so ago, she wouldn't have had to give up her daughter. It's too painful. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:36:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Raised on Snobbery (2nd Try) I am sputtering so hard I can barely type...I'm absolutely rolling. Thank you, King - all together now let's sing it loud and proud - LOL >Hey where ya going, why all the strife, >You really think variety is still the spice of life? >You need to be like I am, I was raised on snobbery. Kakki NP: Santana - Everybody's Everything "Dig this sound and spin around and round and round"...."Sing it loud time for you to all get down" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:07:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess My buddy Pat crawls out of the woodwork to say: "Something came over me this summer....I guess I really am a pop-lover at heart...I went out and bought some cds that could probably be found in Catherine's kids' collection....but you must understand that I only bought them for one song only...and that I do plan to sell them back to one of the cd stores that buy back cds... " Sure, Pat. P.S., If I'da known you wanted it, my kids DO have both the Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, so you could've saved yourself a few bucks. (So while I'm at it, I'll 'fess up to this - we've got the Brandy CD too, in which she thanks everyone, including God, for her talent and blah-blah-blah ad nauseum, where a simple "Thanks, Big G" would have been more effective. I refused to buy Acqua though (the Barbie girl song and so on. I've got my principles to uphold.) (See you on the weekend.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Poor Patricia confesses ... > Britney Spears......love the song "baby one more > time" especially the > line "my loneliness is killing me" I'm really surprised that our young Britney (or her handlers) haven't been hit with lawsuits from Janet Jackson for stealing "Rhythm Nation", Paula Abdul for stealing choreography for the video AND Toni Basil for stealing her "Hey Mickey" pigtails! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:17:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BOHO Dance You asked: "Does any one know what the word BOHO from BOHO Dance in HOSL means???" I'm pretty sure you're right - I believe it does mean "bohemian." If I'm not mistaken Joni said something about this being based on the writings of Tom Wolfe (Bonfire of the Vanities and other things.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:22:33 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Good vs. Evil NJC - Tattoos Quoting you, quoting Janene's: "The topic of conversation was why Jews do not approve of tattoos." And your response: "My girlfriend is 26, not Jewish and has a tattoo or two. She was surprised to hear my explanation that Jews do not get tattoos because it reminds us of the numbers on the arms of our Holocaust victims and survivors." You're right in that that should be a good enough reason for anyone, and forgive my butting in, as I'm not Jewish, but I'd be willing to bet a few bucks there's either something in the Bible (Old Testament/ Torah) about this and/or that it isn't Kosher. There may be a real explanation that may be as simple as the dye they use isn't recognized by the Council of Rabbis. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #415 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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