From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #412 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 412 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JoniFest The Movie njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [evian ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] NJC Music Sluts Must Confess ["Paul Castle" ] joni in a hurricane-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Pete Seeger's Verse ["Paul Castle" ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Jason Maloney ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] Re: JoniFest The Movie [catman ] NJC: Jonifest movie ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie [TerryM2442@aol.com] Do ye ken John Peel? (SJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Bowels! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Hello Folks I'm Back NJC ["Jamie Zubairi" ] MP3 Tool (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Joni on VH-1 ["Catherine McKay" ] NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Steve Dulson ] King Slut speaks! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Pete Seeger's Verse [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie ["Catherine McKay" ] A Joni discussion on another list [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Some updates please ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: NJC aging ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Do you remember? (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: A Joni discussion on another list [Don Rowe ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC first 45s ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: King Slut speaks! (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: beginners dream [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC: Jonifest movie ["Catherine McKay" ] Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo [Scott and Jody ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Don Rowe ] Re: First 45 (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni on VH-1 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC: Jonifest movie [catman ] Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie [catman ] back after a long absence ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) [catman ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] Re: NJC: Jonifest movie [Janet Hess ] NJC Re: back after a long absence [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: First 45 (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Buying on the net [Martin Giles ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [Martin Giles ] Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie [Martin Giles ] Attention Eurythmics fans NJC [Martin Giles ] Re: Buying on the net [catman ] Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess [catman ] Re: King Slut speaks! (NJC) [David Wright ] RE: beginners dream [Chris Marshall ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:20:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JoniFest The Movie njc lordy! i wish nicholas cage would do me ... wallyk, salacious again and again - -----Original Message----- De: Michael Paz Para: jzw@visint.com ; Joni Digest Fecha: Miércoles 15 de Septiembre de 1999 22:21 Asunto: JoniFest The Movie >Hey Julie- > Nicholas Cage?!?!?! That's strange! Do you think he can really do ME? >Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:43:50 -0600 From: evian Subject: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Vince suggested that we all come clean and post the stuff we keep hidden under the bed or in the crawl space in the garage or behind the furnace, or wherever: > Let's confess the music that we hide when the JMDLers come over to the > >house! > Well, since much of what I have on vinyl and cassette would make you all chuckle, I won't even include it, since it would take me days to type it all out. So, browsing over at my cds, I'll fess up with select ones that might make you barf: Mariah Carey -- ALL OF THEM, except the latest one. Both Wilson Phillips cds Vanessa Williams - The Comfort Zone WHAM! - Best Remixes a whole crapload of Luther Vandross Barbra Steisand -- Guilty Al Stewart -- Time Passages Ready For The World (remember "Oh Sheila"? LOVE IT!) The Simpsons -- Songs in the Key of Springfield (who can live without "who needs the Qwik-e-mart"?) Every Roxette cd Two Quarterflash cds (whatever happened to Rindy Ross anyway?) Blackbox the first Whitney cd a whole bunch of Heart cds the Paul Carrack Collection Cyndi Lauper Ashford and Simpson Berlin -- Love Life S'Express En Vogue's Funky Divas Van Halen's Women and Children First Deep Purple -- Perfect Strangers a whole bunch of Def Leppard ..... Just to name a few that I can see from my chair. But of course, the stuff I left out is stuff you all would probably roll the eyes at! And then there are all the greatest hits: Naked Eyes, Alabama, Flock of Seagulls, two Culture Club Greatest Hits, Duran Duran, Foreigner (I love em!), Soft Cell, Human League, Kool and the Gang (2 of em as well), ABC, ABBA, ELO, Howard Jones, Yoko Ono, Rita Coolidge, the Headpins and tons more, but I am too lazy to get up and look... and I am not even going to list any of the industrial or goth that I have. Nor my extensive new wave and greatest hits of the 80's... lets just say that "We Built this City" appears on more than one of these collections. Evian P.S. Bob may be the biggest Slut on the list, but I am his trashy little cousin... where oh where did our parents go wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 01:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess You know, kids can be a great way out of this whole subject! My kids have all the awful crap CD's! And I pray to God it's only a short term trial, but lately our 15 1/2 year old girl is into, gasp, gag, puke....COUNTRY music. I don't know where we went wrong with her.... The only embarrassing one that I see in my racks is the Batman Soundtrack that Prince did. But then I actually like the little weirdo! And evian asks: >>(whatever happened to Rindy Ross anyway?) The DJ on KINK Portland OR just mentioned her the other day. Geez, can remember who it was for, Beth Orton maybe?, that Rindy recently did some of the back-up vocals. Quarterflash, formerly Seafood Momma were from Portland. Penny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:24:45 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Cardinal Vince says "Confess!" "No one expects the Lavieri Inquisition". Strapped to my cumfy chair, pummelled by cushions on all sides I confess. "I Can't Come" by The Snivelling Shits I have just ordered it so I haven't actually got it yet. Is there still a chance for me to be spared? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:03:18 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: joni in a hurricane-njc i was part of the recent exodus from the south east coast because of floyd. unfortunately, over one million people evacuated between charleston and savannah at the same time on tuesday, on only three interstate highways. so we had a lot of time to play car games and listen to music. after 8 hours in the car, i realized that i had not listened to any jm all day, so i slipped in blue and my 7 year old daughters were in the back seat and said this to each other: "i think this is the one where the lady works in the video store all night and her boyfriend is a cowboy......no, i think this is the one where the lady talks about her mean daddy who won't let them go out on a date." so i told them that the second one was right, and i drifted off to their world where everything is an adventure while we all listened to 'the lady.' ss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:44:39 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Pete Seeger's Verse Catgirl at CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote:- >NP Both Sides Now with Pete Seeger doing his own verse! How interesting. Is this a recording with Joni? A while back I wrote to Pete Seeger via his 'Appleseeds' column in Sing Out! magazine sending him a copy of a book I was involved in publishing - Poems on the Underground - an anthology of poetry posters displayed in London Underground trains. By return he sent me a copy of his book 'Where Have All the Flowers Gone - A Musical Autobiography' and a lovely postcard with one of his little hand drawings of a banjo on it (I treasure it - and subsequent cards he has sent me). In this wonderful treasury he writes: "Here's another of my favourites from the '60's. Joni Mitchell has written a string of extraordinary melodies. I first heard Joni's song [Both Sides Now] on a car radio, added a fourth verse suitable for my age, and got a nice letter from Joni permitting me to sing it. [NEW VERSE FOR AN OLDER PERSON TO SING] 4. Daughter, Daughter, don't you know You're not the first to feel just so But let me say before I go It's worth it anyway Someday we may all be surprised We'll wake and open up our eyes And then we all will realize The whole world feels this way We've all been living upside down And turned around with love unfound Until we turn and face the sun; Yes, all of us, everyone. Pete Seeger (1975) There is one other mention of Joni in the book. "If human civilization (and the biosphere) survives I think it will be partly because the feminine tradition of nurturing takes precedence over the male tradition of adventure, achievement, of power and glory. The '70's and '80's were a big education for me. And as a songwriter I was - and am - fascinated by the wealth of of great songs being made up by women - by wifes and mothers - by independent types and lesbians. I've told you about Malvina Reynolds. In my own family I've seen examples of strong independent-thinking women in several generations. Through Sing Out! magazine, through the People's Music Network and Clearwater folks. I learned the songs of Holly Near, Bernice Reagon, Cris Williamson, Pat Humphries, Joni Mitchell, Ysaye Barnwell, Ruth Pelham, Sis Cunningham, Gretchen Reed, Luci Murphy, and many others. Not just writing new songs, but rewriting old ones. I've sung their songs, and occasionally tried adding my own words, as you know." Pete Seeger (who was 80 earlier this year). PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:57:44 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Evian must be wondering where his little kid bro Jason has gotten to now this thread has surfaced :-) Well, I am here! I can claim "ditto" to just about everything evian has listed, and like him, could also name quite a few others that would have you chuckling so hard you'd end up needing medication :o) Worse, I still actually listen to most of them! LOL Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: little green... It's just hit me how courageous and beautiful it was for Joni to include Little Green on the Blue album. After hearing Bryan and WallyK sing this song at JoniFest 99, I love it more than ever. And I wonder at it.... "Sometimes there'll be sorrow" - alas, often there is. Ach, what a wonderful piece of work Blue is - and how lucky we are that she gave it to us.... Roberto, in a sentimental mood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:42:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Vince-I have the soundtrack to The Sound Of Music. Does that make you feel better? And I play it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:50:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JoniFest The Movie Nicolas Cage is a compliment, I would think. A very sexy man. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:29:42 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: Jonifest movie Colin wrote: >Nicolas Cage is a compliment, I would think. A very sexy man. Colin, The way I see it, Nicolas Cage has somehow managed to accomplish the impossible with his career: he made the leap from a series of quirky character-acting roles like the stupid, greaser hounddog-types in "Raising Arizona" only to suddenly transform himself into landing radically cool, beefed-up, super-hero, heart-throb roles. (Maybe this is what Sean Penn meant when he complained to the press about Nick selling out.) I think Cage's one unique characteristic which wins us over (again and again,) are his eyes--- the way he is able to convey a sense of genuine soulfulness. This is what he has in common with the Paz man. -JulieZw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:28:49 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie In a message dated 9/15/1999 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << > Who would you want to play **you** in a movie? >> In my youth (ah, so faaar away), when my hair was long, I was told that I resembled Ali McGraw. But heaven help me if she were to play me. Wait, I can't act either! So, who's this Neve person I'm supposed to resemble? I asked my daughter and she said she's kinda mousy looking! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:40:36 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Do ye ken John Peel? (SJC) On BBC Radio 2 at the moment a well-known DJ over here, John Peel is currently doing a series on the 'History of Folk'. Last night's show mainly concentrated on Fairport Convention (from '68 up to Leige & Leif in '69). Mentioning Joni Mitchell's influence on the band with covers like 'Chelsea Morning' etc, he also included an interview with Nanci Griffith talking about the extraordinary effect for her, growing up way out on the plains of Texas, hearing Sandy Denny's voice for the first time. She said, "I think I was maybe 12 or 13 years old and I was out in West Texas on my Grandparent's farm, listening to FM radio, late at night. It was a voice that of course was very 'foreign' for me - it was so dark and just so incredible and totally unlike everything that had influenced me, from Buddy Holly and the Crickets to Woodie Guthrie. I mean it was 'totally' different and has just a special part in my heart. I think that's why, when I first turned onto Dolores Keane's music, it made such an impact on me because it reminded me of that moment of first hearing Sandy Denny's voice." As someone raised on a farm in a small Oxfordshire village, I just love it that this has been such a strong mutual experience - not only for Nanci from the plains of Texas, but for Ashara from the top fields of New England, John (from the libary in the mountains of Australia), Philip from the bay in Ireland and Catgirl from the wilds of Pensylvania , to name but a few. Based on what has been discussed on here recently, I was amused to hear Joe Boyd, their producer, say that he was rather alarmed when he first heard Sandy was joining the group. He said: "I knew Sandy and thought she would probably break them in half - she was a much stronger personality - they were all rather well-behaved, soft- spoken, polite suburban kids, and Sandy, although she was from a similar background, was a hard drinking, f-ing and blinding, loud voiced, rather 'outgoing' personality, to say the least. I had the feeling that I'd come into the dressing room and find them all cowering in the corner while Sandy threw beer bottles at them - or alarmed them with her scatalogical repartee. There 'was' an element of that in her relationship with them but what immediately 'cowed' her and turned her into a very docile and very co-operative and malleable person within the group, in my opinion, was Richard's [Thompson] talent - her realization that here was a guy who really was 'her' equal, if not more so!" PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:41:19 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Bowels! (NJC) Looking up the correct spelling of 'malleable' in the dictionary (OED) for that last post, I noted the following entry:- 'major-domo' n., pl. -mos 1. the chief steward or butler of a great household Puts a whole new meaning on Bob's wonderful song, eh? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:09 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Hello Folks I'm Back NJC Dear Joni Folks Just a quick note to let you know that I am finally back online and back on the list. I hope that you are all well and can't wait to get back into the list as I remember it. Warm regards to all my regular email friends Catman Colin, RobJordan, Mark Domyancich and of course to Wally. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:26:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: MP3 Tool (NJC) I don't dabble with MP3's, but for those of you that do, this may be of interest. And it looks like it's a freebie! Bob NP: Soundgarden, "Mailman" MUSICAL ATTRACTION If you've ever spent hours online looking for the latest MP3 track, you'll wonder how you ever managed without MP3 Mag-Net. This program eliminates the need to visit many MP3 sites, sporting the ability to simultaneously query popular MP3 search engines such as Lycos, Kermit, AudioFind, Look4MP3, AstraWeb, and MusicSeek and return results on a single page. MP3 Mag-Net also gives you the option of selecting only those engines that return satisfactory results. With one click, you can even instruct MP3 Mag-Net to launch repeated download attempts for a file, and you can easily copy the target's server, port, and login details to the clipboard for ready pasting into your favorite FTP client. FACT FILE: Program name: MP3 Mag-Net Version: 1.0 Size: 1,540K Developed by: Imad Ahmed License: Freeware Requirements: Windows 95/98 Find the files: http://www.shareware.com/DD/sw/0,156,0915-1-002,00.html -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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I have a postcard autographed by all of them, and I saw them in '66 on tour with the Animals (My 2nd show, after the Association, Kakki!). Great stuff. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:56:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: King Slut speaks! (NJC) Kakki asks forgiveness for: <> And then "Li'l Ho-boy" in-training Evian tells all: <> People, people, this madness must stop!! Let us cease and desist from our musical snobbery! These are all WONDERFUL records! Barry White? How could anyone not be proud of having the king of pillow-talk seventies soul in their collection? Paul Carrack? The voice behind the brilliant "Tempted" and the stick-in-your-craw Ace recording of "How Long (Has This Been Going on?)"? If you've never slow-danced to a Johnny Mathis record, you haven't lived! Ashford & Simpson wrote and recorded some of the best R&B of the 60's & 70's... And Van Halen!! Evian, be PROUD to STAND UP and sing "Everybody wants some - - I want some too! I could go on and on, but you get my point. These are the kind of records (along with the Carpenters) that can make a nothing party become a "Party Out of Bounds"! Does the Slut himself have anything to hide? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I wave my "KC and the Sunshine Band" banner high!! :~) I love all of my babies!! (now that I've purged the PJ Harvey, that is; but just because it sucks to me doesn't mean it's not a gem - it found a happy home with another JMDL'er!) Matter of fact, I'm in the process of updating my inventory of music - anyone who wants to see all, let me know and I'll send you my big-ass "Table of Tunes"... Bob NP: Soundgarden, "Spoonman" -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:07:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Pete Seeger's Verse Paul asked: <> Yes it is Paul, from "Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 2", which is full of cool stuff like the Johnny Cash songs, a duet with Fred Neil, and ALL of the "Last Waltz" songs including a full band version of "Shadows & Light" (!) And the verse Pete sings is the same one you referenced...it's very touching to hear his voice harmonizing with Joni's, you can hear the respect she has for his talent... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:25:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) Evian, so you "can't make a bed to save [your] life." There's no point in making a bed. You're just going to get back in there tonight and mess it up. But bathrooms have GERMS and need to be cleaned. Often. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:30:41 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie Helen, you said, "I'll be honest, it's probably more of a young Kathy Bates!" If Kathy Bates is the one that was in Misery, that's kind of me too (not quite as psycho!) Or maybe Phyllis Diller. Or Moms Mabley. You also said, "Please don't mention Pokemon!" but I must, I must, I really must. The whole phenomenon is veddy veddy scary. My own 2 kids (9 and 12) are so into that too. My 9-year old spent his birthday money - $18!!! - on ONE stinkin' card that he then traded to someone else within 3 days. I should NOT have let him go to the comic book store with just his sister, or it would never have happened. On the other hand, he needs to learn... You realize of course, that someday in the not-too-distant future, people will be saying;" If you can remember Pokemon, then you are a child of the '90s. If you can remember Pokemen, then you are OOOOLLDD! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:42:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: A Joni discussion on another list I responded to a guy on another list (XTC "Chalkhills") when he asked about recommendations for Joni (He had just bought & loved Hejira) My advice was to pick up DJRD as it was in the same vein as Hejira, but that IMO he couldn't go wrong with Joni. This was his response, WHICH HE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO POST HERE... *************************************************************************** *** "Thanks very much for the reply! Good to hear from you; actually, I have been pleasantly surprised, I got quite a few responses to that "Hilferuf" (= call for help); Chalkhills really is a great place. I will look into your recommendations! I probably should mention that Joni Mitchell and the Residents are the only bands that have drawn multiple responses thus far. I was hoping that a Joni Mitchell fan would reply, since "Hejira" is really excellent, one of the best 3-4 on my list. I (the ignorant) always thought Joni would be beyond me (she seems so cerebral)! Another recommendation that arrived here suggested: "Court & Spark"; "Blue" from the early period; "Summer Lawns" as the transitional album; decried her entire 80s output as mostly lame MOR pop, one or two good songs and a bunch of filler; "Night Ride Home" as her best album since the 70s What do you think of this list? (Interestingly, "Don Juan" was not mentioned.) The only Joni I had had so far was the CSNY cover of "Woodstock" and the (excellent, if you like that sort of thing) sampled bit on Janet Jackson's "Got Till It's Gone" (from that song about paving over paradise and putting in a parking lot). But now, with "Hejira", I definitely want more.>> *************************************************************************** ******* I thought it would be of interest to see what non-JMDLer's recommend in the way of Joni acquisitions; fairly predictable I suppose, but I DID get a laugh over the "80's output" line! :~D Bob, who stealthily tries to squeeze Joni into other lists whenever he can... NP: The Swampcats, "In A Little Gypsy Tea Room" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:54:34 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Some updates please Dear Folks Please update me as to what Joni is up to at the moment. I know that she's doing a new album (hurrah) and came to London last month (which I wish I knew about. I would have camped out at heathrow airport.) Is she still seeing Donald? Do i really care? Not sure about that. I just want to know if she's happy with someone. I thought the video of Painting W Words was wonderful tho' the quality on VHS in the UK was slightly dodgy. I'm waiting for the DTS DVD version to come out so I can play it at my brother's place. An update of A Case OF You??? Amazing. I can't wait. Hope everyone is well. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi Scales To Feathers Man To Woman You And I ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:05:07 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC aging You said: "One of the most beautiful photos of a human being I've ever seen was of Georgia O'Keefe in old age with such fabulous lines on her face!" I couldn't agree more - to begin with, what a cool old dame that Georgia O'Keefe is. I DO think the lines of age are wonderful. I had an aunt named Helen who had a face that looked like a topographical map, all crevices and dry river-beds - and two dark eyes that sparkled forth like wonderful mountain lakes. I always thought she had one of the most marvellous faces I've ever seen and still remember her even though she died at least ten years ago. It's not just the fact of a face's being wrinkled or not - it's the character that shows through, and this woman had such character. When I was a kid, I used to love just sitting there listening to her and looking at her. I have no idea how old she was at this time, she may have been someone who aged quickly, maybe because she smoked A LOT and she probably did a lot of sunbathing as well, but what a lovely face. She always reminded me of an elf, or something, an aged elf - she even had a kind of pointy chin and so on. I don't totally understand why people want to get rid of the wrinkles. But I'll have to review this in another 5-10 years or so. People in my family tend not to get too wrinkly until they get REALLY old, so I probably don't totally look my age (who ever really sees themself?) It's just the grey hair - if it was a nice whitey grey that would be fine, but mine is more of the colour of the mice that live in the subway tunnels brownish-grey. Thank God for Clairol! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:11:40 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Do you remember? (NJC) Jason sez: "Michael, maybe that's because you've magically transported yourself back 95 years!!!!! Check the date function on your PC....your post was sent on Jan 17th 1904." Y2K strikes early. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: A Joni discussion on another list > decried her entire 80s output as mostly lame MOR > pop, one or two good songs > and > a bunch of filler; Look ... there's really only so much up with which I can put! "...lame MOR"?? What in the hell is MOR about "The Three Great Stimulants", "Tax Free" or "Lakota"? You want to know what's MOR ... I'll tell ya' ... tinkly solo guitars a la STAS and younger-than-thou helium inflected vocals a la "Blue". It wan't MY idea for Joni not to do those songs live any more. If the "entire 80s output" is so bad -- then somebody please tell me why "Moon At The Window" makes the 90s setlist. God bless America, but I am tired of wearing this goofy Satan outfit! Larry Klein (aka Don Rowe) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:18:37 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Vince (are you REALLY a Rev? Are you with the Church of What's Happening Now by any chance?): Anyhow, if you take confessions, here's mine: I've got a few Streisands, a couple of America albums (as in Horse with no name - OK, so their lyrics sucked/didn't make sense, but I stand by their harmonies as being pretty darn good); Pablo Cruz (or Cruise?) of "I go to Rio" fame (actually a Peter Allen song); the Average White Band (remember them? "Pick up the pieces!") AND a Nana Mouskouri (but that was a gift given to me by someone that thought I liked Nana - OK, she's allright as long as she's not singing in English.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:20:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC first 45s So, you "once accidentally walked into a concert of NKOTB (New Kids on the block) at the Ionia County Fair." If they were doing county fairs, were they by then the Old Kids on the Block? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:22:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: King Slut speaks! (NJC) King Slut Bob writes: << People, people, this madness must stop!! Let us cease and desist from our musical snobbery! >> Some of you have mentioned some great musical artists from the past and present which I still listen to all of the time. I was just playing "Debarge's Greatest Hits" a couple of days ago, and I'm proud to admit it. The only CD I'm ashamed to admitting that I own is Milli Vanilli's "You Know it's True Girl", but I still hold on to it for historical reasons. I've never purged any CD's from my collection, but if there is one that I would gladly give away...................and I can't believe Bob M. brought this up.............anyone who wants my copy of PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me", I would be more than happy to send it to you. The album title speaks for itself :-) Jimmy np: The soundtrack to "South Pacific"......and listening to it proudly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:26:16 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: beginners dream If I understand you rightly, you'd be comfortable with songs where the guitar part is all chords, no single note lines. How about COYOTE or DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER? If you could get the rhythmic groove right on those, you'll really have achieved something. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:33:12 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: Jonifest movie Julie, you said: "Nicolas Cage is a compliment, I would think. A very sexy man... The way I see it, Nicolas Cage has somehow managed to accomplish the impossible with his career... Cage's one unique characteristic which wins us over (again and again,) are his eyes--- the way he is able to convey a sense of genuine soulfulness." You're right - the eyes have it, because basically, when you look at him, Cage really isn't good-looking at all (not by the regular standards anywya.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:31:47 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo Kakki wrote: > y the way, I'm organizing several piles of photos from the Fest to sent out > to some of you partygoers. If anyone was cameraless there and wants any > photos, please let me know. I have lots of extras to share. > Kakki - I would love a copy of the Blues Bro. photo:-) Everyone - I also have some photos I'd like to send. Just let me know! When I returned home Sunday night from Jonifest, there was a belated B-Day gift waiting for me. Extremely belated as I was born in January. At any rate, my brother and sister - in - law gave me an 8 by 10 photo of Joni wrapped up in this gold scarf. Have any of you ever seen this particular photo? When and where was it taken? They also left a copy of PWWAM video. Just when you think family members think you are nuts for traveling cross country to meet up with JMDL folk, they go and do something like this! I'm feeling extremely lucky and grateful right now! Take Care everyone, jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess > Let's confess the music that we hide when the > JMDLers come over to the > > >house! It'll be like I don't even have these records ... love them though I do! "Made In Japan" -- Deep Purple "Music For The Masses" -- Depeche Mode "Vienna" -- Ultravox "Upstairs At Eric's" -- Yaz "Yentil" -- Baraba Streisand "The Friends of Mr. Cairo" -- Jon & Vangelis "Slave To The Rhythm" -- Grace Jones "The Catherine Wheel" -- David Byrne "Another Green World" -- Brian Eno "Like A Prayer" -- Madonna "Nursery Crimes" -- Genesis "Thriller" -- Michael Jackson "Fresh Horses" -- Garth Brooks "Keys To Imagination" -- Yanni "Dog Eat Dog" -- Larry Klein & Thomas Dolby (with Joni Mitchell) :-) Don Rowe (bucking for his "Under Secretary to The Little Ho' In Training" title) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:37:45 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: First 45 (NJC) "Lovin' you by Minnie Riperton"!!! Jeez, I hated that song. Another one of those babes who was supposed to be able to sing 3 octaves or 4, or however many. To which I say, just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD! Anyone on this list could hit those high notes if they got a kick in the appropriate body part. Isn't Minnie another one of those babes that choked on a sandwich or something? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:45:22 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on VH-1 In a message dated 9/16/99 11:00:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << Can someone enlighten me as to what VH-1 is? >> It is a cable music channel for older folks like me who cannot watch MTV without their doctor's permission. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:14:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Jonifest movie > I > think Cage's one unique characteristic which wins us over (again and > again,) are his eyes--- It's always in the eyes. No matter how handsome a man might be, if he doesn't have 'eyes' it's a waste of time. One reason why so many model types don't appeal, to me anyway. > the way he is able to convey a sense of genuine > soulfulness. This is what he has in common with the Paz man. -JulieZw - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:16:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie I can't remember her last name-oh yes I can-it's Campbell and mousy looking she isn't! An attractive woman. TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/15/1999 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: > > << > Who would you want to play **you** in a movie? >> > > In my youth (ah, so faaar away), when my hair was long, I was told that I > resembled Ali McGraw. But heaven help me if she were to play me. Wait, I > can't act either! > > So, who's this Neve person I'm supposed to resemble? I asked my daughter and > she said she's kinda mousy looking! > > Terry - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:24:43 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: back after a long absence hi fellow jmdlers i'm back after a long absence, and tho my hectic work schedule means i won't be able to post as prolifically as i did way back, im thrilled to be a part of this community again. bill dollinger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:22:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age Yet Again (njc) We use a duvet so never make the bed. As for the bathroom, it got it's first clean for the UK Joni meet. I'll do it again next year. And as this is the first time I have ever lived in home without central heating, it will be next spring before i have a bath again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:27:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess > AND a Nana Mouskouri (but that was a gift > given to me by someone that thought I liked Nana - OK, she's allright as > long as she's not singing in English.) Oh God! I'd forgotten about her! I liked her way back then. And those glasses. They are now fashionable!!!! (and still ugly-why don't posers see this?) > > > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:31:30 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: NJC: Jonifest movie Lookit, I've decided to cast *next year's* Jonifest movie, and the only person authorized to play me is Camryn Mannheim. Actually, I wouldn't mind Camryn Mannheim playing *with* me, but that would be a completely different movie. Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty has deigned to authorize Sissy Spacek to play her. Hugz, Janet & Deanna - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:45:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: back after a long absence <> Yay Bill - Wecome Back! Look forward to your comments...and maybe an occasional parody.....? Bob, thinking it's starting to look like "Homecoming Week" in JMDL-land NP: Holly Cole, "Dark, Dear Heart" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:53:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Pics/ Joni Photo Jody the belated-birhday girl said: <> Jody, here's my theory...even though family members/friends make fun of our Joni/JMDL passions (whether to our faces or behind our backs), I think DEEP DOWN they're a little jealous that their life is missing that same passion to connecting with a group of kindred spirits like this. By getting you this photo, or whatever Joni-gift we may get from them, they are saying to us in their own way, "I affirm what you've found and wish I had something like what you have"... Of course I could be wandering into Doc. Sigmondegreen turf here... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: First 45 (NJC) > "Lovin' you by Minnie Riperton"!!! > > Jeez, I hated that song. Amen! And Christ, they played it on the radio more than "Stairway To Heaven" when it came out! > just because > you CAN (sing those high notes), doesn't mean you SHOULD! In college we invented a drinking game called "High Note." It was played to Mariah Carey's debut album. Every time she hit that "Gee I wish I was Minnie Ripperton" shriek -- you took a shot. When playing the game with the album became a bit too dangerous, we substituted flipping back and forth between MTV and VH1 ... it made the bottle go a "little" further! Don Rowe (the good Don. There was another one, an evil Don ... I had to kill him) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:36:53 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Buying on the net I just had a rather depressing experience buying a Joni video from CD NOW. FeDex have sent me a bill for VAT, import duty and 'costs' about three weeks after I received the tape. The total came to over £14. I've bought CDs in the past like this and not had a problem. I know that in theory we have to always pay import duties etc., but it looks as if now customs are getting tough. Don't tell me Marcel - I should blame it on our socialist economy, right? ;-) Martin. P.S. The video was SOL and, of course, she's worth it!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:21 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess These confessions about what's in your music collections has me worried. I hope you all keep your Joni albums in a seperate room. Don't you know that uncool music vibrations have a damaging effect on the substrate of CDs. They will eventually cause the glue to decay and the silver layer will detach itself. Scientific experiments have proven that CDs last about 30% longer if not subjected to tasteless sound waves. No, no the best thing would be to carefully put all that cheesy stuff in the bin for safekeeping! Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:33:15 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie With all those fabulous movie stars hanging around the set. I'm gonna wangle a walk on part as myself!! Martin. > Starring: Ben Affleck as "BobM" Tom Hanks as "Les," Winona Ryder > (with long hair) as "CatGirl," Antonio Banderas as "Wally K," Janeanne > Garofolo as "JulieZW," Jennifer Anniston as "Kakki," Meg Ryan as "MG," > Sarah Michelle Geller as "Maggie," Kevin Spacey as "Mark/Travis," Neve > Campbell as "Terry," Peter Fonda as "ChuckE," Ashley Judd, as "Jody," > Mathew Broderick as "Patrick," Jody Foster as "Heather," Nicholas Cage as > "Paz," Ally Sheehy as "ZaPuppy," Mira Sorvino as "Marion," Will Smith as > "Bryan," Robert Downey Jr. as "BrianG" Steve Martin as "RickyLee," Sarah > Jessica Parker as "Kate from the Cape," Edward Norton as "KennyfromNY," > Benicio Del Toro as "Roberto" Minnie Driver as "Laura," Sean Penn as > "Bern," Kate Winslett as "Pearl" William Hurt as "JonVanTiel" Christina > Ricci as "Gina," JoAquin Phoenix as "Jeff," RinTinTin as "Pippin," and > Madonna as.... "Ashara" Coming to a theater near you... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:02:58 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Attention Eurythmics fans NJC I don't remember who posted recently about a Eurythmics reformation, but this might be of interest... >From (UK) Music Week Magazine. 18th September. 'Eurythmics guitarist Dave Stewert admits that the act's surprise performance at BMG chairman John Preston's leaving party in January 1998 was the catalyst for their permanent reunion. But it was only when the 80's hitmakers rehearsed for February's Brit awards last December, (after effectively writing 5 songs in 3 days), that Stewert and front-woman Annie Lennox realised they were Eurythmics again. The album 'Peace', released on October 18th (in the UK) will likely be seen as more than another 80s band reforming. Recorded at The Chuch Studios in Crouch End, London, the album is likely to re-establish the act as a considerable leading songwriting duo. The pensive first single, 'I Saved The World' (released October 4th) is a less bombastic affair than might be expected for their return, and will be followed by a second single, 'Seventeen Again' which will be released here in January and will be the first US single.' Sweet Dreams Eurythmics fans! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:51:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Buying on the net I had exactly the same thing when I oredered a vid from Tower in NY. I complained. When i ordered a second vid, nothing was charged by Fed ex. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:53:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Music Sluts Must Confess Ignorantly, i kept some cd's on the widow sill. Now they are buggered. The playing side went a funny colour. colin-off to get a dog's tum tum scanned ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: King Slut speaks! (NJC) On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > anyone who wants my copy of PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me", I > would be more than happy to send it to you. What on earth is wrong with you people? ;) I'd take your copy in a second, but I've already got Bob M.'s. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:54:06 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: beginners dream David Lahm writ the following in response to a question from Jess:- > If I understand you rightly, you'd be comfortable with songs where the guitar > part is all chords, no single note lines. How about COYOTE or DON JUAN'S > RECKLESS DAUGHTER? If you could get the rhythmic groove right on those, > you'll really have achieved something. Coyote is a nice one if you're after doing the bassline. Those double stopped harmonics really ring out, and I guarantee that it'll send a shiver up your spine when you play it. Oh, by the way, hi all, I'm back from Chicago. Which was wonderful. Can I have it please? Pretty please? :-) Failing that, if someone could just buy my an nice apartment by the river, say, 20th floor, that'd do me nicely. Thanks ever so much. :-) David: while I was there I managed to find JTOJM. Congrats, it's a fine piece of work. General note to all: if you liked the sound of JTOJM, pick up "Tales from the Acoustic Planet" by Bela Fleck. It's quirky, but completely wonderful with it. And there's a bit of bowed double bass in there that'll shake your foundations if your hi-fi is up to it. Er. Right. Time to go shop. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #412 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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