From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #409 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 409 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: First 45 and Take a Free Ride (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie [luvart@snet.net] Re: NJC Old age [luvart@snet.net] NJC The Hurricane of Old Age [Janet Hess ] Do you remember? [Michael Paz ] Bad Bob (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Old age, usual whining, NJC ["Kakki" ] Old Age Part Two... [Thunderthumbs ] Re: Do you remember? ["Kakki" ] Instrument Bashing... [Thunderthumbs ] Re: Atty May Setlist Info ["Kakki" ] 45 RPM records NJC [Casey Certis-Milby ] NJC: Relative age... [Kate Tarasenko ] RE: NJC The Jonifest Movie ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Bad Bob (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:07:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... > Don, that's interesting. I never saw it as the older woman/younger man > issue at all. I just thought the guy was really immature, but it was fun > while it lasted, or that she was talking about something from her younger > days (there is the boarding house to suggest that - I think Joni probably > could have afforded to stay somewhere a little more high class than that by > the time she wrote this song). I never thought much about the boarding house line but maybe it belonged to the guys family and that was where he lived. I always thought the 'strange boy' was younger than Joni but still an adult. Joni was around 31 or 32 when she wrote this, I believe. The song says 'even the war and the navy couldn't bring him to maturity.' The only war that was remotely close to the time that Hejira came out was Viet Nam. Not being up on my history I don't remember when the last American troups pulled out. I do remember that I was in the very last draft lottery. Fortunately they never got to my number. I just can't see myself in the military let alone in the middle of a war. Anyway, getting back to the song. The guy had to be in his 20's at least if he'd done a stint in the navy and gone to Viet Nam. So the age difference couldn't have been much more that 8 or so years. Not exactly robbing the cradle at 32. (Although I do remember being pursued by a 30 year old divorcee at that age and being warned about her wiles and seductive ways by a couple of female friends who were closer to my age. This woman did seem much more mature and sophisticated to me at the time & aside from my not-as-yet-fully-outed sexuality, I did feel just a bit intimidated by her attentions.) > How long have skateboards been around anyway? I could have sworn that the > ones that were around when this song came out were the old- fashioned kind - > basically just a piece of wood with roller skate wheels on the bottom, not > something you could "weave" on. I remember a renewed skateboard craze just about the time Hejira came out and that was when they started to have more sophisticated designs. The ones we had in my neighborhood as kids were mostly homemade. You took apart a rollerskate (the kind that required a skate key to tighten them on your feet) and nailed it to the bottom of a board. I remember the skates we had didn't have any holes to drive a nail through. So my mother, being the inventive, resourseful woman that she is, cut up one of my dad's old belts and made straps to drive nails through and strap the skates to the board. And omigod, have I digressed here or what! I remember the Jefferson Starship album 'Earth' (now that's an embarassing record) on which my beloved Grace Slick did a fairly insipid song about a guy on a skateboard. Needless to say, it doesn't come anywhere close to touching 'Strange Boy'. I believe 'Earth' came out in 1977 or 78. Grateful Dave, can you confirm that? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:06:32 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC aging and Einstein In a message dated 9/14/99 12:12:51 PM US Central Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << I never got to meet her, but I've always remembered that story about her. She must have been cool to have such a great sense of humor. Never fails to make me laugh whenever I think of it. >> Reminds me of a feisty woman, Fern Beigh, who I had the good fortune of meeting as she was shut-in and wheelchair bound. She was 94. She ran her own cateringbusiness, and she cracked me up when she told me she hated "The Christmas Song" because of the line 'to kids from 1 to 92'..."They left me out"! she would say...she passed from this life to the next a couple years ago. I miss her. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:08:56 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Old age/45s In a message dated 9/14/99 2:02:01 PM US Central Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Ah, the Zombies...I loved them! >> What's your name...who's your daddy? Is he rich like me? <> You get no argument from me on that one, K! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:08:26 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: Hurricane Floyd In a message dated 9/14/99 11:07:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WirlyPearl writes: > > In a message dated 9/14/99 3:51:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net > writes: > > > > > Nerd that I am, I've had the Weather Channel going since last night and > > have > > been very concerned about you all in Florida. It is very scary to see > that > > big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, Jerry and all - please let > us > > know how you are. They say S.C. is going to get it, too - Bob, have you > > battened down the hatches? My friend in N.C. lost her entire backyard > > during Fran in '96. Take care you guys. Kakki > > > Thank you all for your concern. > We have been very fortunate here in South Florida. > This huge hurricane is more or less missing us > It hasn't even rained here yet and the wind > is just a breeze. Everyone was preparing for the worst. > For two solid days the regular TV channels had nothing > but hurricane news. All schools, banks, the post office, malls and most > all businesses have been closed and most homes and stores are shuttered. > There was a huge evacuation of coastal areas. I live about a mile from > Hollywood beach. But better to be prepared and safe than sorry. > We were spared. I am praying for everyone else in the storm's path. > I hope that everyone is safe from this monster storm. > > Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:10:49 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Old age, usual whining, NJC In a message dated 9/14/99 3:51:50 PM US Central Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << I can't remember the name of the group, but the song was that obnoxious one >"They're coming to take me away ha ha". >Does anyone remember that one? By Napoleon XIV. >> And a cool bit of trivia about this 45 was that the B-side was the A-side played backwards...man, that was spooky stuff when I was a wee third grader! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:11:49 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Atty May Setlist Info Heather Galli wrote: > > Inquiring minds want to know...... when can we get this on tape? Will it > be included in a Tape Tree? > > Heather - who is bummed that Marian's performance of All Along The > Watchtower is incomplete :-( Heather- I still don't know how, but some or all of the material will be made available for all who want it. Some of this stuff is truly amazing. Marian had some moments that I am sure she had to be floating in mid air and translucent with a bright halo with stars circling round her head. WallyK had an amazing set that has turned out to be close to the top for me. What I have not found yet and I am freaking was Ashara's accapella piece. I am still logging Les's stuff and have not heard from Chuck yet on what all he has. Peace Michael NP-The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey-Marian (the friday night sessions) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:13:25 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: First 45 and Take a Free Ride (NJC) In a message dated 9/14/99 4:20:41 PM US Central Standard Time, mann@chicagonet.net writes: << 2. Rubber Ball >> At first I thought you were talking about "Red Rubber Ball" by the Cyrkle, but then I recalled the one you mean..."Like a rubber ball I'll come bouncing back to you"...don't know who did it though - ya stumped me coupon queen! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:13:03 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie At 07:44 PM 9/14/99 -0400, Julie Z. Webb wrote: " Jody Foster as "Heather," Hey, can't we get Tracy Ulman to play my part? ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:23:16 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: NJC Old age Many times at my previous jobs when things got crappy I would sing to myself: 'again and again the same situation for so many years' then I finally quit the rat race a little over a year aga :-) Heather At 07:45 PM 9/14/99 -0700, Mark or Travis wrote: > >This reminds me of a job I had during one of my summer breaks from >college. I worked in a foundry that made cast parts for tractors & >other machinery. My job was in what they called the cleaning room. >Basically I stood at an electric grinding wheel all during my shift >and ground the rough edges off of small steel cast parts. I also sang >to myself to pass the time. The noise level was such that no one >could possible hear me unless they stood right next to me and leaned >towards me. I don't think I'd discovered Joni yet, though. It was >Carly Simon that I was singing to myself in those days. No Secrets, >mostly. Are you out there, Colin? > >Mark in Seattle > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:25:57 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: NJC The Hurricane of Old Age Oh, my. Here I sit on the *other* side of 50, waiting for me and my remaining breast to officially become 51 on Saturday, and I'm peering into this here newfangled computer machine, and I'm pondering how... ...nearly 30 years ago... I lived in Beaufort, South Carolina, where I was a VISTA Volunteer, doing my best to end poverty as we know it . I thought that I was old then, because I'd made it past 20, which was a bigger accomplishment in the early 70s than you might imagine. Beaufort, South Carolina is about to get a touch of hurricane, according to all reports, and here I sit, meditating on my own recent hurricane, drawing disability retirement, and considering the comments of folks less than half my age who share an interest in someone who was part of my life then and now, that wondrously splendid old (yes, kiddies, *old* :-D) Joni Mitchell. Ah, don't it always seem to go.......... Hugs, Janet & Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:45:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Do you remember? Jerry wrote: " Do you remember . . . . . > > > 2. Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water > > > 3. Candy cigarettes Kakki and I stopped inside a candy store outside on Ogunquit, Maine (which has a fabulous night spot called "the Club" if anyone is ever in town with nowhere to go, but I digress) and I bought some was bottled sugar water (they use to be called Nips I think) and Kakki got us some candy cigarettes that we smoked in the airport (talk about FUNNY cigarettes huh Ashara). ....memories like the corners.... reds are sweet and greens are sour Michael NP-Chelsea Morning-Catgirl (the Friday night sessions) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:49:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bad Bob (njc) Bob wrote: " I suppose he'll want to sue the boat manufacturer...but he won't have a leg to stand on!!" Oh Bobby you are gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for that one!. Michael P.S. Hey everyone in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina, my thoughts and prayers are with you and my best advice is RUN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:26:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Old age, usual whining, NJC Steve and Bob wrote: > << I can't remember the name of the group, but the song was that obnoxious one > >"They're coming to take me away ha ha". > >Does anyone remember that one? > > By Napoleon XIV. >> > > And a cool bit of trivia about this 45 was that the B-side was the A-side > played backwards...man, that was spooky stuff when I was a wee third grader! What's even spookier is that I actually saw him at Disneyland around '65. He was giving out autographs afterward and I think my mom actually went and got one as I, in my pre-teen 'tude, rolling my eyes, was going "Oh, I'm like sooooo embarrassed." I was there to see the main act, The Association. Vaguely recall dancing to "Cherish" with a boy there visiting from Kansas and gave him the autograph. ;-) And Dulson, now I'm just waiting to tell me you were also at that concert ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:59:33 -0400 From: Thunderthumbs Subject: Old Age Part Two... A few other things relating to the older women scenario: It seems that most of the people who I have good current friendships with are mostly between 40-55. In that vein, finding older women attractive isn't quite so far out of place. I seem to relate well to older people. On the other hand (and one thing I forgot to mention last time) was that some of the people who I've found attractive could possibly be my MOM's friends, and/or in her peer group- or just as weird- my Dad (divorced) and I could find the same person attractive. These are most uncomforting thoughts. Oh, by the way, I meant no put-down when I used the term "pushing 50". I don't particularly think of 50 as "old". You're old as you feel. Tonight, lacking sleep at 25, I feel pretty old. -Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:35:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Do you remember? > Jerry wrote: > " > Do you remember . . . . . > > > > > 2. Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water > > > > 3. Candy cigarettes The synchro of this really cracked me up today! Michael wrote: >I bought some was bottled > sugar water (they use to be called Nips I think) I got some too and just chewed my way through half the box tonight and now have large wads of wax in my ashtray. All this talk about age regression ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:04:45 -0400 From: Thunderthumbs Subject: Instrument Bashing... The only instruments that should be bashed are the out of tune ones, and also the players that play them out of tune, much to the dismay of the rest of us... ;) -Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:53:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Atty May Setlist Info Michael escribe: > Chuck Rainy Night House > Chuck Wichita Lineman > Chuck These Four Walls And just where is our music Chairman of the Board and keyboardist extraordinaire? It's O.K. to turn in a late report, ChuckE. Hope you had a great time in Maine and thank you for all the great Jimmy songs. > Chuck, Kakki, Pearl, Paz Big Yellow Taxi (the first time today) Pearl, I'm so glad to hear the storm passed by you. Do you think we should let Paz circulate our portions of the tape to the list? Your great contralto was fine, but I'm afraid my contribution is going to end up sounding like Marianne Faithfull! Maybe Paz can work some track deletion magic in my case. If not, he'd be well advised that I do work for lawyers ;-D > Paz, Chuck Guajira (Santana) > Paz and Chuck Hejira I didn't know Carlos did a cover of Hejira. But seriously, Paz did a Gorgeous Guajira. > Chuck + Guest Singer > from Blue Heaven Band Under The Boardwalk Ah yes, that incredible band that swept the floor with us after we warmed up the audience for hours. It was truly an honor, though. Atty May, are you here yet? Waaaaaa, I wanna be there, waaaaaah! Kakki NP: Nicolette Larson - Rio De Janiero Blues ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:27:57 -0700 From: Casey Certis-Milby Subject: 45 RPM records NJC > Rubber Ball > I think it's going to be alright Yes, the worst is over now The morning sun is shining like a red rubber ball... Thanks for the memory. Casey - -- "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end." U.K.LeG. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:55:45 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Relative age... "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?" -- Satchel Paige ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:30:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC The Jonifest Movie hey! you know what? liv ullman should play pearl! and now i know who you remind me of julie: carly simon!!! wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: luvart@snet.net Para: Julie Z. Webb ; joni@smoe.org Fecha: Martes 14 de Septiembre de 1999 21:32 Asunto: Re: NJC The Jonifest Movie >At 07:44 PM 9/14/99 -0400, Julie Z. Webb wrote: >" Jody Foster as "Heather," > >Hey, can't we get Tracy Ulman to play my part? ;-) > >Heather > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:44:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Bad Bob (njc) now you tell me about funny cigarettes, miguelito wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: Michael Paz Para: Joni Digest ; Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Fecha: Martes 14 de Septiembre de 1999 22:06 Asunto: Bad Bob (njc) >Bob wrote: >" >I suppose he'll want to sue the boat manufacturer...but he won't have a leg >to stand on!!" > >Oh Bobby you are gonna smoke a turd in purgatory for that one!. > >Michael > >P.S. Hey everyone in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina, my thoughts >and prayers are with you and my best advice is RUN. > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #409 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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