From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #407 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 407 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Jonifest post whoops! [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: The geezers of jmdl ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Instrument Bash [Don Rowe ] Re: The five questions most feared by men -NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Old Age [Don Rowe ] Bill and Ben (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Instrument Bash (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Old Age [catman ] Re: Old Age ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Old Age [catman ] Re: Old Age [jan gyn ] Re: Old Age (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Bill and Ben (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Old Age (absolutely NJC, no kidding) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Old Age [catman ] Re: Bill and Ben (NJC) [catman ] Re: Old Age (NJC) [catman ] RE: Aging (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Aging (NJC) [catman ] Re: Aging (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] floyd [Jerry Notaro ] Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... [Don Rowe ] Re: NJC aging and Einstein [Linda Worster ] Joni moods [Martin Giles ] Re: floyd ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: floyd [catman ] Re: Joni moods [catman ] Re: NJC Old age [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Aging (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC Old age [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Old age [Don Rowe ] Re: floyd ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Old age/45s ["Kakki" ] Re: floyd [Jerry Notaro ] re:old age/45's (njc) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: NJC Old age ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Old age [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: floyd (It's a Big Un!) NJC ["Beverly" ] Re: NJC Old age ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: floyd - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Old age ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Instrument Bash(ing) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: floyd (It's a Big Un!) NJC ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: NJC Old age ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Aging (NJC) [catman ] Re: Instrument Bash(ing) ["Catherine McKay" ] Gym Joni [catman ] Re: Instrument Bash(ing) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC Old age [catman ] Re: Aging (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] NJCLost In Space/old Age [catman ] Re: floyd [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Instrument Bash(ing) [jan gyn ] Re: Instrument Bash(ing) [Don Rowe ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: NJC Jonifest post whoops! Kate of the North wrote: I've been reading the Jonifest reports with delight and envy of you all. And what a mutual admiration society you have formed. You mean, there wasn't one single, solitary asshole at the fest???   ( : Well Kate, I guess the answer to your question is "yes", and that be ME! Seems that caught in post fest emotion, I forgot to mention Gina in my Jonifest post and thank her for picking me up at the airport. (Sorry Gina and thanks!) And to add insult to injury after being picked up at the airport, it could have been misconstrued that Gina was portrayed a dingbat driver as we circled our motel unable to find the way to get across the highway system in the Danvers area. The 45 minute circle game we played was entirely my fault as, you see, I was the designated navigator. But I became negligent in my navigating duties because I was rolling around laughing in the passenger seat as I had become convinced we were witnessing the handy work of my famous road designing uncles Larry, Curly and Moe Zapuppy! ;~) (Side note, Do you think Joni wrote All I Want north of Boston? I am on a lonely road and I am traveling, traveling, traveling, traveling.....;-) And thanks too, Gina, for your company as you were the lister I most anticipated meeting! Smiles, blessings and peace ya'll Penny NP Down To You, (next comes Paprika Plains, then Stormy Weather as I'm getting psyched about Joni's orchestra backed next album!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:27:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The geezers of jmdl oh my! sorry colin, i didn't mean that! what's the right expression? come across? wallyK - -----Original Message----- De: catman Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Martes 14 de Septiembre de 1999 04:06 Asunto: Re: The geezers of jmdl >I didn't know I came on at all! I didn't mean to flirt > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Instrument Bash I wonder who they Think they are Smashing a perfectly Good guitar - -- John Hiatt I think that about covers it ... Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:57:51 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: The five questions most feared by men -NJC > The five questions most feared by men are: > 1. What are you thinking about? > 2. Do you love me? > 3. Do I look fat? > 4. Do you think she is prettier than me? > 5. What would you do if I died? > Well, shiver me timbers, I think I really coulda, shoulda, woulda been a man because, in our house, it's more likely to be my husband asking ME this type of question, especially 1, 2 and 5 and I gotta tell you, I really HATE people asking this kind of question - especially 1, and especially when the real answer is either of: a) I'm not thinking at all but just staring blankly into space - (you'd think the slack-jawed expression and the drooling would give that away! or b) when I'm wondering how things might have turned out if I'd married my ex-boyfriend, whats-his-name instead. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:02:29 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Instrument Bash (NJC) Bob and Don both sent >I wonder who they >Think they are >Smashing a perfectly >Good guitar > >-- John Hiatt "But what about 'performance art'?", says PaulC, ducking behind the Marshall stack. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Old Age Hi Brad Believe it or not, you're reliving my life. I met my wife when she was 30 ... I was 22. I'd just started my first "real" job a couple of months ago and found myself in much the same position as you vis a vis "dating women my age." We married 3 years later. Well today we've been married 11 years and still alternate between utter joy and sheer bliss. You have absolutely NOTHING to worry about ... fact is, you're headed in the right direction -- so GO FOR IT! Sure, there will be some issues to deal with, but I think you will find that the "age gap" closes once a relationship grows. Now that I'm 36 and my wife is 44, those 8 years seem like nothing at all. Or rather, certainly insignificant compared to those days when we used to foolishly worry about it for no reason. I only have three snippets of advice for you: 1. Always show up on time. 2. Open yourself to intimacy. 3. Be prepared to court her for the rest of your life. You'll do fine! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:11:37 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Bill and Ben (NJC) Catherine wrote: >What I want to know - and it may be that only Brits and a few Canadians will >remember this - does anyone remember Bill and Ben, the Flowerpot Men? Busted! This Brit remembers them. And I'll bet Paul Castle does, too, 'cause I know how old *he* is....hehehehehe....Heck, I remember "Listen With Mother" on BBC **RADIO**.... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Instrument Bash (NJC) To paraphrase the wickedly cynical Henry Rollins: "Okay so you're a performance artist. And you've assembled your 12 friends in some basement in Soho, and basically they're the only ones there because you SUCK! There's a ladder on the stage, which is littered with all kinds of shrapnel -- broken glass, clips of barbed wire, nails and spikes. They start playing Edie Brikell as you climb the ladder. You reach the top and shriek as you throw yourself off the ladder and bloody yourself in the shrapnel. Only to hear a booming recorded voice taunting you "BUT SHE STILL LIVES!" Don Rowe ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:11:08 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age I can see i was too subtle! My reply to the young man was supposed to be gently sarcastic. ie I laughed at his innocent insulting of women pushing 50! Catherine McKay wrote: > Watch it, Catman. It may be a long, long way from Canada, but here's one > woman almost pushing 50 who doesn't think it's too far to go to track you > down and take - you - out! > > >Brad wrote: > >I even find a few that are pushing > >50 are attractive. > > > >Quick, get the dcotor. Women pushing 50? You need help. > > > > > > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:16:10 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Old Age Oh, I knew that, Colin. I just couldn't resist the chance to get a few digs in! ;) >From: catman >To: Catherine McKay >CC: ddietz@erols.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Old Age >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:11:08 +0100 > >I can see i was too subtle! My reply to the young man was supposed to be >gently sarcastic. ie I laughed at his innocent insulting of women pushing >50! > >Catherine McKay wrote: > > > Watch it, Catman. It may be a long, long way from Canada, but here's one > > woman almost pushing 50 who doesn't think it's too far to go to track >you > > down and take - you - out! > > > > >Brad wrote: > > >I even find a few that are pushing > > >50 are attractive. > > > > > >Quick, get the dcotor. Women pushing 50? You need help. > > > > > > > > > > cateri@hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >-- >"It is better to be hated for what you are >than to be loved for what you are not." >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:15:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age I thought 'quick, get the doctor' would have given it away but then I forget i have to spell things out really well for tranatlantic translation! See my response to catherine. 'they don't tell, they don't swell, and they're grateful as hell!' and this of course is pc and polite? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:27:51 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Old Age >>Brad wrote: >>I even find a few that are pushing >>50 are attractive. Isn't Isabella Rossellini in this range? She's pretty haute. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Old Age (NJC) - --- Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > Colin said to Brad: > > < help.>> > > Colin, this wasn't directed to me but I find it very > offensive. Was it > intended as a joke? It didn't come off like one. > I am backing Bob up all the way on this one. Colin, I'm going to hope your comment was made in jest -- unless you're having one hell of a mid-life crisis yourself that involves not only red sports cars, but a taste for younger ... women?!?!? You could set the whole biological imperative arguments for sexual preference back quite a bit ... I make this comment in jest ... itsajoke-itsajoke-itsajoke! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:26:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Bill and Ben (NJC) Out of all the things one could remember from childhood, I have to wonder why I would remember Bill and Ben? Was there any point to that show? They didn't even speak - at least, not in intelligible English, it was more like Mr Bean's mumbling, and they never did very much either. But it did have a memorable theme song, with which, from time to time, my sister Arne and I will spontaneously burst into song: Bill and Ben Bill and Ben BillandBen, BillandBen Flower pot men. >From: Steve Dulson >Reply-To: Steve Dulson >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Bill and Ben (NJC) >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:11:37 -0700 > >Catherine wrote: > > >What I want to know - and it may be that only Brits and a few Canadians >will > >remember this - does anyone remember Bill and Ben, the Flowerpot Men? > >Busted! This Brit remembers them. And I'll bet Paul Castle does, too, >'cause I know how old *he* is....hehehehehe....Heck, I remember "Listen >With Mother" on BBC **RADIO**.... > > >############################################################## >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com >"The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: >http://www.tinkersown.com >"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" >http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ >"The Living Tradition Concert Series" >(Website soon!) > > > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:30:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Old Age (absolutely NJC, no kidding) Oh. I see. So, now you're saying we North Amerikanischers are all IDIOTS? Is that it? Huh? Huh? (or Eh? Eh? as we'd say in da Nort') ;] ;) :) !!!! and so on... >From: catman >Reply-To: catman >To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com >CC: Thunderthumbs , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Old Age >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:15:52 +0100 > >I thought 'quick, get the doctor' would have given it away but then I >forget i >have to spell things out really well for tranatlantic translation! >See my response to catherine. > >'they don't tell, they don't swell, and they're grateful as hell!' > >and this of course is pc and polite? ;-) > > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:32:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age I have always preferred the older man. And now that i qualify as an older man, i still do! I have found that men tend to look more attractive the older they they get. Not always of course. I sometimes find myself thinking an older man is attractive and then find out he isn't older! By attractive I am not usually talking about bodies. No it's in the eyes, the smile, the hands, the movement and the general demeanor. Of course if they have this and a great bod too..... Men who have it, imo: Kieth Carradine (no not the kung foo guy-his brother) Keanu Reeves(younger I know) Richard Geere(who i didn't think was till he went grey) Ed Harris George Clooney(although not at first cos I disliked his character in ER till they changed him) Jimmy Smits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:38:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age Catherine McKay wrote: > Oh, I knew that, Colin. I thought you would have, being Canadian. > I just couldn't resist the chance to get a few digs > in! > > > ;) > > >From: catman > >To: Catherine McKay > >CC: ddietz@erols.com, joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Old Age > >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:11:08 +0100 > > > >I can see i was too subtle! My reply to the young man was supposed to be > >gently sarcastic. ie I laughed at his innocent insulting of women pushing > >50! > > > >Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > Watch it, Catman. It may be a long, long way from Canada, but here's one > > > woman almost pushing 50 who doesn't think it's too far to go to track > >you > > > down and take - you - out! > > > > > > >Brad wrote: > > > >I even find a few that are pushing > > > >50 are attractive. > > > > > > > >Quick, get the dcotor. Women pushing 50? You need help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cateri@hotmail.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >-- > >"It is better to be hated for what you are > >than to be loved for what you are not." > >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > > > > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:41:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Bill and Ben (NJC) i remember well Bill& Ben and Little Weeeeeeed. And the Wooden Tops. John swears there was a kids program about Muffin the Mule but that sounds very suspect to me. I have a joke about Bill & Ben. They are sitting on their wall. Bill goes 'fldubbadubdodb' ben goes'if you loved me you'd swallow' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:43:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Old Age (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > --- Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > > > > Colin said to Brad: > > > > < > help.>> > > > > Colin, this wasn't directed to me but I find it very > > offensive. Was it > > intended as a joke? It didn't come off like one. > > > I am backing Bob up all the way on this one. Colin, > I'm going to hope your comment was made in jest -- > unless you're having one hell of a mid-life crisis > yourself that involves not only red sports cars, but a > taste for younger ... women?!?!? You could set the > whole biological imperative arguments for sexual > preference back quite a bit ... I make this comment in > jest ... thanks for spelling that out-I would never have guessed and might have flamed you. > itsajoke-itsajoke-itsajoke! > > Don Rowe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:45:17 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: RE: Aging (NJC) Hey gang, this is Jimmy and I've really enjoyed reading everyone's views on aging, so I had to add my personal experience. I recently turned 43, and I want you to know that I feel just as young as I did at 20. This is mostly due to my partner of 22 years. We enjoy life together, and share lots of wonderful experiences. My only problem is my better half's obsession with sex!!! I have been with a sex maniac for the past 22 years and I can't take it anymore. He makes love to me regardless of what I am doing; watching tv, washing dishes, reading, even doing E-Mail on AOL!!! I would like to know if there is anything that ucnn hlp m wth nd f unothel gothsl ehj fpslth fjsl;s;;o{O} .lp sld mpskdli dlks; a;ld ;;'cinsely ous mdyl isnt';dk............................... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:51:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Aging (NJC) LOL! Now, Jimmy are you the selfish kind or do you share? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:02:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Aging (NJC) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > This is mostly due to my partner of 22 years. We enjoy life together, and > share lots of wonderful experiences. My only problem is my better half's > obsession with sex!!! > I have been with a sex maniac for the past 22 years and I can't take it > anymore. He makes love to me regardless of what I am doing; watching tv, > washing dishes, reading, even doing E-Mail on AOL!!! > > I would like to know if there is anything that ucnn hlp m wth nd f unothel > gothsl ehj fpslth > fjsl;s;;o{O} .lp sld mpskdli dlks; a;ld ;;'cinsely ous mdyl > isnt';dk............................... yes. Send him up to St. Petersburg for a week to give yourself a rest. Jerry :o ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:24:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: floyd Well its hundreds of miles away and it is already storming here in St. Petersburg. I hope Pearl is ok. Jerry np: Rachmaninoff: A Window In Time ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... All this talk about dating around age differences has got me to thinking about "Strange Boy" -- which is Joni's take on the subject. So much in this song I have seen mirrored in my own life ... I can almost hear my wife thinking: Just when I think he's foolish and childish And I want him to be manly I catch my fool and my child Needing love and understanding Inside this section I think is revealed a younger person's easier "willingness to trust". As yet untouched, or not as badly damaged, by trial and tribulation, a younger person can show someone older an instinct they may have lost, or abandoned in favor of self-preservation brought on by life's inevitable heartbreaks and disappointments. At the very end, there's the seemingly literal: While the boarders were snoring Under crisp white sheets of curfew We were newly lovers then We were fire in the stiff-blue-haired-house-rules But Joni's long been bucking social trends and strictures ... could it be that this section is a metaphorical "so what" about moral prohibitions against dating outside one's age group? It sounds an awful lot like "same old sacred cow" to me, at least. If so, great! I think an older person's strength in a relationship with someone younger can go a long way to keeping both on a mutually supportive track. Just some chalkmarks in the rainstorm of a Tuesday! Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:02:11 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: NJC aging and Einstein At 02:04 PM 9/14/99 GMT, Catherine McKay wrote: >you said: > >>I have a friend whose 90 year old grandmother, commenting on how her >life >>was speeding up, said: "Every five minutes, I'm eating breakfast!" > >That sounds like one very cool old lady! Indeed! I never got to meet her, but I've always remembered that story about her. She must have been cool to have such a great sense of humor. Never fails to make me laugh whenever I think of it. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:33:07 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Joni moods Colin wrote a few days ago.. >The weather here is cool and misty after a hot day. you can't see very >far and the stars and moon are obscured by the mist. tho cool it is also >balmy. >Which joni album/tracks would best suit this ? > I'm a bit behind in my reading so this has probably already been suggested but it had to be a Night Ride Home evening no? Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:28:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: floyd That is one HELL of a big hurricane. And there's another one right behind it. Brace yourselves, all you east-coasters. Here in Toronto, the sun is shining, the sky is blue, and a gentle breeze is blowing - for now. The effects of hurricanes are usually felt here as well - - give us a day or two. >>Well its hundreds of miles away and it is already storming here in St. >Petersburg. I hope Pearl is ok. > >Jerry > >np: Rachmaninoff: A Window In Time > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:33:45 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Age Differences in "Strange Boy" ... Don, that's interesting. I never saw it as the older woman/younger man issue at all. I just thought the guy was really immature, but it was fun while it lasted, or that she was talking about something from her younger days (there is the boarding house to suggest that - I think Joni probably could have afforded to stay somewhere a little more high class than that by the time she wrote this song). How long have skateboards been around anyway? I could have sworn that the ones that were around when this song came out were the old- fashioned kind - basically just a piece of wood with roller skate wheels on the bottom, not something you could "weave" on. >All this talk about dating around age differences has >got me to thinking about "Strange Boy" -- which is >Joni's take on the subject. So much in this song I >have seen mirrored in my own life ... I can almost >hear my wife thinking: > >Just when I think he's foolish and childish >And I want him to be manly >I catch my fool and my child >Needing love and understanding > >Inside this section I think is revealed a younger >person's easier "willingness to trust". As yet >untouched, or not as badly damaged, by trial and >tribulation, a younger person can show someone older >an instinct they may have lost, or abandoned in favor >of self-preservation brought on by life's inevitable >heartbreaks and disappointments. > >At the very end, there's the seemingly literal: > >While the boarders were snoring >Under crisp white sheets of curfew >We were newly lovers then >We were fire in the stiff-blue-haired-house-rules > >But Joni's long been bucking social trends and >strictures ... could it be that this section is a >metaphorical "so what" about moral prohibitions >against dating outside one's age group? It sounds an >awful lot like "same old sacred cow" to me, at least. >If so, great! I think an older person's strength in a >relationship with someone younger can go a long way to >keeping both on a mutually supportive track. > >Just some chalkmarks in the rainstorm of a Tuesday! > >Don Rowe > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Joni In A Hurricane ... It's that time again, with Floyd looming massively just off the coast, to think of "Joni songs to play in a hurricane ..." My Secret Place Amelia Refuge of the Road Chelsea Morning Free Man In Paris Moon at the Window ... and of course, the songs NOT to play in a hurricane: Let The Wind Carry Me God Must Be A Boogie Man Beat Of Black Wings The Sire Of Sorrow Slouching Towards Bethlehem __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:15:29 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: floyd BA cancelled their flights to Florida today until further notice. Also flights from there to here. i do hop all our Florida residents are taking cover. Jerry Notaro wrote: > Well its hundreds of miles away and it is already storming here in St. > Petersburg. I hope Pearl is ok. > > Jerry > > np: Rachmaninoff: A Window In Time - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:16:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni moods i would agree. Martin Giles wrote: > Colin wrote a few days ago.. > > >The weather here is cool and misty after a hot day. you can't see very > >far and the stars and moon are obscured by the mist. tho cool it is also > >balmy. > >Which joni album/tracks would best suit this ? > > > > I'm a bit behind in my reading so this has probably already been > suggested but it had to be a Night Ride Home evening no? > > Martin. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:20:13 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC Old age <<4. Soda pop machines that dispensed bottles>> The barbershop I go to still has a coke machine that dispenses bottles of coke for a quarter. <<14. 45 RPM records >> The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by the Zombies & "Dizzy" by Tommy Roe. Anybody else remember their first 45 purchase? <<17. Metal ice trays with levers>> This is probably when I learned to cuss...whoever invented these contraptions should be beaten with one full of frozen water... <<25. Wash tub wringers (get serious! how 'bout a rock and a >mountain stream while you're at it!)>> We had one of these when I lived in the Marshall islands, circa 1962/3...right in the kitchen! Bob NP: "Summertime" from "Day In the Garden" mmmmmmmmmmm...so nice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:28:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Aging (NJC) Colin asks: << LOL! Now, Jimmy are you the selfish kind or do you share? >> And Jerry says: << Send him up to St. Petersburg for a week to give yourself a rest.>> Ok Ok guys settle down. I do have a leasing plan available with nothing down. (financial statements required) :-D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:31:49 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Old age Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > < > > <<14. 45 RPM records >> > > The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by the Zombies & "Dizzy" by > Tommy Roe. Anybody > else remember their first 45 purchase? It's In His Kiss (The Shoop Shoop Song) by Betty Everett Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC Old age > <<14. 45 RPM records >> > > The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by > the Zombies & "Dizzy" by > Tommy Roe. Anybody > else remember their first 45 purchase? > "Western Union" -- The Four Americans "Me and Bobby Magee" -- Janis Joplin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:21:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: floyd Nerd that I am, I've had the Weather Channel going since last night and have been very concerned about you all in Florida. It is very scary to see that big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, Jerry and all - please let us know how you are. They say S.C. is going to get it, too - Bob, have you battened down the hatches? My friend in N.C. lost her entire backyard during Fran in '96. Take care you guys. Kakki Jerry wrote: > Well its hundreds of miles away and it is already storming here in St. > Petersburg. I hope Pearl is ok. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:31:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Old age/45s Bob wrote: > > <<14. 45 RPM records >> > > > > The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by > > the Zombies & "Dizzy" by > > Tommy Roe. Anybody > > else remember their first 45 purchase? Ah, the Zombies...I loved them! Um, "Dizzy" by Tommy Roe?? Robert, you were a music slut even as a kid! ;-D Don wrote: > "Western Union" -- The Four Americans > "Me and Bobby Magee" -- Janis Joplin The memories are going into high gear. I remember as a kid riding the bus to school and the bus drivers (even for Catholic school) would blare all the top 40 for us on the radio. That was the main way I learned about the new songs coming out. Do bus drivers still do that for kids today? My first (and I still have them) were Chad & Jeremy - "Willow Weep For Me", a small assortment of Beatles, and Mamas and the Papas "Monday, Monday" Kakki NP: Beatles - Every Little Thing (my sentimental fave) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:02:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: floyd Kakki wrote: > Nerd that I am, I've had the Weather Channel going since last night and have > been very concerned about you all in Florida. It is very scary to see that > big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, Jerry and all - please let us > know how you are. They say S.C. is going to get it, too - Bob, have you > battened down the hatches? My friend in N.C. lost her entire backyard > during Fran in '96. Take care you guys. Kakki Just got word that the University will close at 5 tonight and remain closed tomorrow. That's good news. Jerry, heading home to batten the hatches. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:11:39 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: re:old age/45's (njc) the first 45 i bought was vicki sue robinson's 'turn the beat around' !!?? but my mom's 45's were a gold mine.. my favorites as a young tyke were day by day (from godspell) the rain the park and other things (the cowsills) to sir with love (lulu) doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:15:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Old age Beeboberino, talking of 45s said: <<14. 45 RPM records >> >The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by the Zombies & >"Dizzy" by >Tommy Roe. Anybodyelse remember their first 45 purchase? I don't remember my first 45. I used to buy mostly albums. But THE most important 45 I remember purchasing was none other than "Urge for going" by some chick whose name I can't remember, if only because it wasn't available on the LP. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:17:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Old age Bob writes: << <<14. 45 RPM records >> The first 2 I bought were "Time of The Season" by the Zombies & "Dizzy" by Tommy Roe. Anybody else remember their first 45 purchase? >> I can't remember the name of the group, but the song was that obnoxious one "They're coming to take me away ha ha". Does anyone remember that one? Jimmy, leaving work now to drag all of the plants in the house before the storm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:20:18 -0000 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: floyd (It's a Big Un!) NJC Kakki wrote: It is very scary to see that big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, Jerry and all - please let us >know how you are. Kakki and All, Floyd IS a big monster. It looks so scary on the Doppler. Nothing like it has brushed up against the Central Florida coast as long as I can remember. They are really worried about the Vehicle Assembly Building and several missiles that are still out on the launching pads at Cape Kennedy. We are expecting sustained winds, topping 80 mph by 10 pm tonight in Orlando - and we are 50 miles inland from the Cape! The folks in Daytona and Cocoa Beach are gonna be looking at 100-125 mph sustained winds. Yowzers! Jerry, across the state should be getting a blast of up to 40 mph from Floyd's outside bands. Paul, up in Jacksonville, will be hearing from Floyd by tomorrow. We've boarded up every window and the front door. It's spooky - like night at 4 pm. On the positive side; my husband had to finally clean out the garage in order to fit two cars in. There's also the steamed shrimp, dark beer and key lime pie we stocked up on. Bev (sound of cat trying to claw through plywood) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:19:22 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Old age >"Western Union" -- The Four Americans Oh yeah - Western Union-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na! >"Me and Bobby Magee" -- Janis Joplin Gordon Lightfoot did a version of this song too, wherein he pronounces the name of the town "Sa-LINE-us". It's really "Sa-LEEN-us" isn't it, or is that just me thinking that way because I took Spanish and Italian at school? Ciao. Adios. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:24:41 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: floyd - NJC >Nerd that I am, I've had the Weather Channel going since last night and >have >been very concerned about you all in Florida. You're not that much of a nerd. My husband, the unemployed graphic artist, has the TV on ALL day while he works and, if it's not tuned to CNN, then it's the weather channel. (We actually do get CNN up here in the true north strong and free, but most, if not all, of the American commercials are bleeped out in favour of Canadian ones.) He's scaring the crap out of the kids, especially my little 9-year old. They've seen pictures and heard stories about Hurricane Hazel which hit some time in the '50's and actually made it to Toronto. I must go home and smack him over the head (my husband, for being insensitive, not the kid!) >It is very scary to see that big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, >Jerry and all - please let us >know how you are. That's for sure - when I saw it on TV, and this was LAST NIGHT, so I'm sure it has grown since then, it must have been about 1/4 the size of the United States. They say S.C. is going to get it, too - Bob, have you >battened down the hatches? My friend in N.C. lost her entire backyard >during Fran in '96. Take care you guys. Amen to that, sister! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:27:55 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Old age >I can't remember the name of the group, but the song was that >obnoxious >one >"They're coming to take me away ha ha".Does anyone remember that one? Unfortunately yes. I do remember it but, like you, not the name of the song. Just more lines: "... to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time." cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:30:05 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Instrument Bash(ing) In 1968 the Who did a tour of the United States. Prior to the tour, in Mannys Guitar Store in New York, Peter Townshend purchased 147 brand new Gibson SG's. Not one guitar survived the tour. I got a piece of one of them. It was great. What is this nonsense about breaking guitars. They smash million dollar automobiles in Nascar. The NFL spends more money on smashed athletes in one weekeednd then musical instrument sales in the US (Im kidding) so whats the big deal. back to the Whos early career breaking of all their instruments including amps and drumkits, they did it to symbolize the ultimate finality of their act for that night. That no other band could follow their act. It worked. Just for fun in 1969 I was performing at a folk festival and I went out and bought an old beat up acoustic guitar for $10 and for my final song I played My Generation (as a ballad) and did the same.The song only had two chords so it was possible.The crowd at the festival went nuts laughing. It was great. Anyone who plays should try this one time and tell me it isnt one of the better gigs you've had. Musical instruments arent sacred on the whole. let the flames begin. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:36:32 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: floyd (It's a Big Un!) NJC At 04:20 PM 9/14/99 -0000, Beverly wrote: >Floyd IS a big monster. > The folks in Daytona and Cocoa Beach >are gonna be looking at 100-125 mph sustained winds. Yowzers! Oh gawd, my brother lives just north of Daytona in Ormond Beach..... Run for cover y'all, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:42:29 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Old age Quoting, hmm, let's see - myself! - I just said (re: they're...away) > >Unfortunately yes. I do remember it but, like you, not the name of the >song. Actually, I meant, "not the name of the group", not the song. Sheesh. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:45:47 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Aging (NJC) That counts me out. Having recently bought the house and just having paid out $1300 for three of my dogs to get shagged, I am all out! FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Colin asks: > > << LOL! Now, Jimmy are you the selfish kind or do you share? >> > > And Jerry says: > > << Send him up to St. Petersburg for a week to give yourself a rest.>> > > Ok Ok guys settle down. I do have a leasing plan available with nothing down. > (financial statements required) :-D - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:47:53 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Instrument Bash(ing) >In 1968 the Who did a tour of the United States. Prior to the tour, in >Mannys >Guitar Store in New York, Peter Townshend purchased 147 brand new Gibson >SG's. Not one guitar survived the tour. I got a piece of one of them. It >was >great. What is this nonsense about breaking guitars. They smash million >dollar automobiles in Nascar. The NFL spends more money on smashed athletes >in one weekeednd then musical instrument sales in the US (Im kidding) so >whats the big deal. back to the Whos early career breaking of all their >instruments including amps and drumkits, they did it to symbolize the >ultimate finality of their act for that night. That no other band could >follow their act. It worked. Just for fun in 1969 I was performing at a >folk >festival and I went out and bought an old beat up acoustic guitar for $10 >and >for my final song I played My Generation (as a ballad) and did the same.The >song only had two chords so it was possible.The crowd at the festival went >nuts laughing. It was great. Anyone who plays should try this one time and >tell me it isnt one of the better gigs you've had. Musical instruments >arent >sacred on the whole. let the flames begin. marcel deste. Of course, you're right - singling out musical instruments doesn't make much sense in comparison with so much other waste that goes on, and not every fiddle is a Stradivarius. Still, some of us have to work by the sweat of our befuddled brows just to be able to afford to buy even a half-decent musical instrument <>. And then, there's the fact that I came from a family that didn't like to waste anything, so the deliberate destruction of anything sends a shive (but not a delighted one) down my spine. On the other hand, I personally don't give a rat's ass about cars or athletes anyhow, so call me biased! Hahaha etc. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:50:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Gym Joni Just got back from the Gym. As I was programming the runner, BYT started coming over the loudspeakers. A version I had not heard before.(I have only heard Joni's and Jackson's). I asked david the guy on tonight to look up the track listing for me. It was Amy grant circa 94. It wasn't bad and the second best verion I have heard. Joni's being no 1 of course. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:48:50 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Instrument Bash(ing) In a message dated 9/14/99 4:33:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << back to the Whos early career breaking of all their instruments including amps and drumkits, they did it to symbolize the ultimate finality of their act for that night. That no other band could follow their act. It worked. Just for fun in 1969 I was performing at a folk festival and I went out and bought an old beat up acoustic guitar for $10 and for my final song I played My Generation (as a ballad) and did the same. >> I guess the Who and you didn't have to worry about being called back for another encore either! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:51:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Old age I don't remember this song but it bropught to mind The Laughing Policeman Song which for some reason use to make me cry when i was akid. it scared me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:53:41 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Aging (NJC) >That counts me out. Having recently bought the house and just having >paid >out $1300 for three of my dogs to get shagged, I am all out! > Sweet Jesus - now, even DOGS have to PAY??? :D cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:54:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJCLost In Space/old Age Yesterday whilst channel flucking, I cam across Lost In Space on the SciFi Channel. What a shock i got! It was in COLOUR! I only ever saw it b/w. In the late 60's, Singapore didn't have colour and niether did Aussi till 75. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:53:41 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: floyd In a message dated 9/14/99 3:51:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Nerd that I am, I've had the Weather Channel going since last night and have been very concerned about you all in Florida. It is very scary to see that big monster right off the coast. Pearl, Bev, Jerry and all - please let us know how you are. >> Schools here in Jacksonville were closed today and tomorrow. Looks now like Floyd is headed right for us, but these storms always turn to the north and miss us, giving us the weaker back of their hand. Besides, if you live 8 miles inland and on what little high ground there is in Northeast Florida, you needn't worry about the storm surge, which is the biggest danger. The only thing to worry about, instead, is the occasional strong wind or hurricane-spawned tornado, but I ain't skeered of 'em. Let 'em just try and .... WHA? AAHH... AAAHHHHHHHH........ AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........ Hi, folks, I've always wanted to visit Kansas again! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:55:17 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Instrument Bash(ing) re: smashing guitars That Antonioni movie, 'Blow Up', featured a live sequence of a Yardbirds performance, with Jeff Beck playing his vintage Les Paul. Antonioni wanted him to smash it up, but Beck said no way. So Antonioni had Beck smash up an obviously different, cheap copy guitar at the end of the sequence. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Instrument Bash(ing) > In 1968 the Who did a tour of the United States. > Prior to the tour, in Mannys > Guitar Store in New York, Peter Townshend purchased > 147 brand new Gibson > SG's. Oh Marcel ... all I can say is, next time you have an urge to smash a Gibson SG, or any other of your instruments -- don't. Instead, send them to me COD -- you'll be just as rid of them! You have my address ... Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #407 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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