From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #394 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 394 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Yay! ROTR bass tab ["Paul Castle" ] Fw: She's a mean old mama! (really she's far from it!) ["Mark or Travis"] he sings 'through' his throat - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] new LP update [Bounced Message ] Re: What A Country! (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] phobias (it began with ssssssssssssnakes) NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: NJC Re: Jonifest [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Withdrawal symptoms [John van Tiel ] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Klaus who??? [Steve Dulson ] Judee, Judee, Judee ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Unwelcome guests at the party? - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni's music in movies ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Unwelcome guests at the party? - NJC [Ashara@aol.com] Smoe downtime ahead [Les Irvin ] Joni's Court and Spark [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni in Movies [CaTGirl627@aol.com] A Visit to the Dentist - Long [Leslie Mixon ] Re: NJC Bob's lying! [Vince Lavieri ] Bob, show thyself (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Joni's Court and Spark [Scott Price ] Re: Soundtracks (sjc) [suemc16@webtv.net (Susan McNamara)] RE: Joni's Court and Spark ["Wally Kairuz" ] Talented JMDLers at Asharas [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Court and Spark [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Soundtracks (sjc) [Janet Hess ] Re: Smoe downtime ahead ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Talented JMDLers at Asharas ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] RE: Withdrawal symptoms ["patrick leader" ] set lists, pictures, recording njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:25:03 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Yay! ROTR bass tab I just have to get in on all this post-Jonifest/list euphoria. Here I sit in my little room looking out over the afternoon rooftops of North London and I read this, a glimpse of life on the way to Chicago, offering bass tabs for Hejira! Eeh - all is well with the world! PaulC Chris Marshall at chris@secure-si.co.uk wrote: >Recently, though, I resolved to learn a few of the basslines >from Hejira properly. So, this evening, instead of getting >to bed early in preparation for my flight to Chicago tomorrow, >I sat down for half an hour and ploughed through the first >verse of Refuge of the Roads >>>snip>>>> >(How many bass players _are_ there on the list >anyway? Guitar players we seem to have in spades, I >don't recall hearing from many bassists though!) Another acoustic spade, Chris, but really keen to play more bass. Been wandering round the guitar shops in Denmark Street looking at what's available - fretless always look so lovely but probably not the best choice for a 'second' instrument, just yet, anyway! I know that it's all down to personal feel but are there any bargain/mid-price range "fret - full" makes I should be looking out for if I'm aiming for that sound? I would love the tabs, though, thinking they're bound to inspire me to start playing in that style. You are too kind!! PaulC pdcmusic@freeuk.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:24:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: She's a mean old mama! (really she's far from it!) Ashara said I have to send this to the entire JMDL. So here it is. My parody tribute to Jonifest 99. > The shrimp were in from New Orleans > But Paz was in it deep > He said 'We sure want an annual Jonifest > But it's really Ashara's home' > She said 'They called the law out. > Where are they all gonna sleep? > Now I've got this crazy J-M-D-L-er > Pushin' me like he's Sly Stallone!' > > Ashara, get out your cane > Paz get some shrimp a-cookin' > Oh you're a mean old mama > But he likes it > > Maybe he'll go to Italy > Or maybe he'll go to L A > And hang out with that Kakki gal > Get Ken, Clark & Dulson on the phone > But when it comes to Labor Day > There's only one place he wants to be > It can only be at Ashara's > He can cure his Jonifest jones > > Ashara, get out your cane > Paz get that shrimp a-cookin' > Oh you're a mean old mama > But he likes it > He likes it, he likes it, he likes it! > > The shrimp were in from New Orleans > Paz was sure in it deep > He said 'We sure want an annual Jonifest > But it's really Ashara's home! > Maybe she'll have us back next year > If I kneel down at her feet > Now she's got me beggin' and now she's sayin' > That I'm some kinda Sly Stallone!' > > Ashara, get out your cane > Paz put on your finest shrimpies > Go up to Atty May's > Have fun tonight > He says 'Oh you're a mean old mama > But you're outasite!' > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:25:33 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: he sings 'through' his throat - NJC The Inuit have something called "throat-singing", but I've never heard it and wonder whether it might be the same thing? ('tho somehow I doubt it!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Soundtracks (sjc) Janene lists her 'turkeys with great soundtracks' ... > "Striptease" - (Demi Moore) That movie had a soundtrack? ;-) To which list I shall add ... "9 1/2 Weeks" -- Just like Baywatch only semi-sinister, this cheesy softcore has a GREAT soundtrack including numbers from Bryan Ferry, Sade, Joe Cocker "You Can Keep You Hat On" (this scene might be the best music video EVER) ... "With Honors" -- a Joe Pesci bow-wow with a simmering little soundtrack including Lindsey Buckingham, Madonna, Christin Hersh, Duran Duran, Belly, Pretenders and others ... "American Gigolo" -- Just as cheesy, if not more so, than 9 1/2 Weeks, it's got a great score from Giorgio Moroder in addition to the classic Blondie tracks. "A Thousand Acres" -- a morbid little dysfunctional farm family tale with a completely predictable script, the original Mark Knopfler soundtrack is way cool. "Scarface" -- A campy cross between Miami Vice and Platoon, another Moroder soundtrack gem I think of as "my leedle fren'" ... And last, but not least -- all the Bond movies. The good, bad and ugly all share that great theme music. Just try and convince me that music isn't what you want to play every time you walk into a room ... :-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:12:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: new LP update From: "Tortorici, Frank" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:44:50 -0400 I spoke to Joni's PR rep and management company. They both say the story is correct. The new LP, with standards (I think jazz/soul/pop, probably "Comes Love" and "Trouble Man") and a few re-recordings of Joni songs is slated for early 2000. No track listing yet. They'll let me know in late Oct. Warner Bros./Reprise is also releasing the tribute album, including the artists SonicNet (the magazine I write for) mentioned, maybe by the end of 1999. More Joni than we ever expected so soon! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:35:44 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) catman wrote: > > I strongly disagree with you. This story is about child abuse. It is clear cut. Whether or not the child > was 'willing', it was up to the adult to decline. So many men who have sex with children, mainly their > fathers, blame the child-say the child was flirtatious and willing. This is bollocks. It is always up to > the adult to say no. The power differential is just one reason why it is abusive. I see where you're coming from on this, Colin, and I expect your own personal experiences from childhood probably give you more reason to feel able to speak authoritively on this subject. I have never been party to, or witnessed, any kind of child "abuse" (nor did any of my friends, unless they did and never spoke of it, which could be possible), so my opinions must sound uninformed and naiive. I appreciate the "power" aspect of an adult taking advantage, though you could argue that nowadays some children over the age of 11 or 12 are significantly sexually developed and aware to be beyond a certain "innocence". I believe in judging each "case" on its merits. It really annoys and infuriates me when the media gets all high and mighty over anything to do with sexual relationships, teenage pregnanicies etc etc. The majority of the stories you hear about DO merit this outrage, but taking this "blanket" stance over ALL of them isn't taking into account all the myriad causes and background to whatever has happened. Not every 12, 13 or 14 year old girl is the same. That is surely obvious, and therefore there WILL be some teenage girls who are not at harm IF it is they who have initiated that level of relationship. Take for instance the recent outcry over that 15 yr old schoolgirl moving in with her 32 yr-old teacher. Too much is made of the pupil/teacher aspect, and also the age gap as well. Colin, I am in a way rather surprised by your attitude to adult/teenager relationships, because in my opinion it is another form of discrimination. Age and/or position in society should no more be a reason to forbid contact between two people who are attracted to (or in love with) each other, than if they were of the same sex or different ethnicity. I am veering away from the original point about the Lolita syndrome, but I think it is a valid point. Maybe you should try and see the Jeremy Irons version of Lolita, if only so you can fully understand why this particular story is not so very "appallling" and "perverted", but simply a tragic tale of what happens when a dysfunctional adult (I'm risking wrath here by claiming "through no real fault of his own", but that's what I honestly believe) is emotionally and sexually "trapped" by the calculated advances and temptation proffered by a sexually precocious teenage girl. Neither are blameless, yes, but then neither completely escapes "punishment" by the film's (and story's) close. As ever, no offence intended or taken :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:30:41 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) Catherine at cateri@hotmail.com asked >Any idea where the word "quid" came from? Not sure but I'll do what all us Brits do, doncha know. Ask Jeeves! http://www.askjeeves.com/ Typing in:- The origin of the word 'quid' and clicking 'ask!' gets me to: 1. Where can I find out the origins of a certain word or phrase? Clicking on Ask! again gets me to: The Archives of The Logical World of Etymology Selecting 'Q-S' gets me to: quart | quash | quest | quick | quiz | rage | raining cats and dogs| etc No 'quid' - 'raining cats and dogs' looks interesting though. Well you learn something new every day. Apparently in Northern European mythology, it is believed that cats influence the weather and dogs represent wind. Ooh, I could spend days in this archive - sorry, giving up on 'quid'. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:37:10 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: phobias (it began with ssssssssssssnakes) NJC You've made a good point - about having no fear (of some things) when you're a kid, but developing them later on. I used to love climbing and jumping when I was a kid, but now I get vertigo (not to mention that the ol' bones just ain't what they used to be, so the fear of breaking them is very real!) I can't even go on a swing anymore without either feeling queasy or getting dizzy. Likewise, I think I have a kind of agoraphobia, which I call mall-phobia. I absolutely cannot go into a shopping mall of any kind without becoming completely disoriented even though I normally have a great sense of direction. If I'm driving somewhere, I never have any problems reaching my destination. There are perhaps 2 or 3 days a year when, for reasons unknown to me, I feel I can safely manoeuvre a shopping mall, but I still have to know exactly what I'm looking for and where to go to get it. Needless to say, internet shopping and catalogue shopping hold great appeal for me. I also have a great fear of being any place where there's a lot of people, whether this is being caught up in a crowd of people in the subway, taking my kids to the Santa Claus parade, or going to a party of any kind (including family ones). On the other hand, I used to be afraid of snakes under the bed, robbers in the closet and thunderstorms. Now I'm reasonably certain there are no snakes under the bed (99 per cent of the time!), probably no robbers in the closet (but sometimes I look anyway just to make sure) and I enjoy a good thunderstorm (but sometimes wish I could turn the volume down.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 99 12:07:53 PDT From: Frances Liccione Subject: Sorry I missed the Fest! I am so happy to be reading of the wonderful times everyone had this past weekend. Myself, I spent the three days in Montreal and Quebec City. I would have loved to have attended the fest, but this was planned so way in advance. I had a wonderful, magical time up there, as I always do. I stocked up on cassettes of my favorite Quebecoise band, "La Bottine Souriante". I recommend you guys checking out any of their cd's. I even bought authentic Quebecoise "wooden spoons" so that I can play along with the cd's! They have such a wonderful sound and you can make great accompanying rhythms with 'em! Let me know if you guys can't find their music in the US, I will forward the information on ordering them. Ciao for now, Frances ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: NJC Re: Jonifest Bob wrote: The Martini women recollect: I know you jest here, but for the public record, I only had one martini. > -Julie And believe it or not, so did I!> Kakki Maybe so Kakki, but Julie's was in a glass, yours was in a 55-gallon drum! :~) Bob, who had his fair share of Tequiza's... For the record, the reason I surmised Julie must have finished off my martini, that Kakki made for me, was because Julie made reference to Kakki's martinis in one of her Jonifest posts as being "kick ass" and that maybe it all boils down to Kakki's martinis. If I would have finished it off, it surely would have kicked *my* ass, as I rarely drink. Although I have no idea why the 5 or 6 margaritas I consumed at Atty Mae's had zero effect on me Sunday! ;-) I saw nothing that indicated that Julie wasn't always in complete control, nor did I ever see any alcohol effect on Kakki. Nor did I ever witness what must have been a very long straw attaching Kakki to a 55 gal drum. ;-D >>Kakki, feeling guilty for being a bad influence this weekend ;-D And Kakki, if being classy, interesting and fun is considered a "bad influence", influence me all the more! ***To add a religious side note, may I offer that Jesus began His ministry at a party (a wedding reception, to be exact) and performed His first public miracle there when He changed the water into wine for the guests to enjoy. Miles of smiles, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:22:36 +0200 From: John van Tiel Subject: Withdrawal symptoms Somewhere near a dike on the coast of Holland... Some moments in your life willingly or unwillingly become permanent slides in your mind. Then: one note, one word or phrase and the slide lights up. Last weekend at Ashara's place produced some of these slides. They will stay in my head for a long time. Kakki told me that I would suffer from withdrawal symptoms ("We all do."). Well, Kakki, once again you are so right. I had organised my stay in Boston so that I could stay in the US for an extra few days before I went back to Holland. But once I had said goodbye to the last of the festers, all I could do was sit in the sun on the graas in Boston Common and let the wonderful Joni weekend go through my head again and again -- the powerful guitar playing of Michael Paz, Marian's wonderful voice, Ashara's energy, the magic moments when Chuck played out on the porch the night before the fest, Maggie's inspiring enthusiasm, a taxi ride with Penny back from Atty May's with scenes and characters straight from the Jerry Springer Show, Roberto who managed to get the piano part of my Dutch ballad (Dutch, MC Bob, NOT German!) spot-on and brilliant, and the many many wonderful little talks with many many people who felt like old friends from the first second... Someone called it the Mutual Admiration Society -- believe me, I did a lot of admiring in the 72 hours I was in Topsfield (and not just Jody's eyes). It was really great to be in the company of fellow Joni-lovers, a breed so rare on this side of the ocean. Like Marian, I came home (last night) without the dreaded jetlag. The 'all the way from Holland' had been worth every mile. One thing, however, needs to be set straight for once and for all. I travel something like 4,000 miles to meet fellow listers whose posts I have been enjoying for the past three years, being the devoted lurker I am. I even get stuck in Iceland. I try to have these nice, intelligent conversations, throw in as much old-world charm as I can, sing to you in Dutch, put on a British accent... and what do you remember me by? A box of bleeding Belgian chocolates! It even becomes a small thread on the list! Talk about a personality boost. ;-) But seriously, once again Joni's music has brought me into contact with a bunch of wonderful people and it gave me a weekend I wouldn't want to have missed for my life. Everything that was so beautiful about the weekend has already been said -- at great length and very eloquently. I agree with everyone, even with the once I don't agree with. Now, strains of the Jonifest are still going through my head -- the soundtrack to the slides. And they are copy-protected. Oh yes, Kate, I missed you. John van Tiel P.S. Yes, Marian, I won the Joni cookbook. It's beautiful. I'm going to cook from it next weekend. Also, I promised several people at Ashara's to send them my concert list and/or CDs. I've written everything down (I hope). Please give me a few days to settle down again and burn everything to CD. I'll contact you all off-list. Ashara, thanks again. Bob, forsooth, thou didst a wond'rous job. Michael, I need that shrimp recipe. Les, you have created something you should be very proud of, not just a little bit. In Nederland noemen we zo iemand een 'kanjer'! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:41:42 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) > Bounced Message wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 luvart@snet.net wrote: > > > Now here's a thread ... how many movies have you viewed that sucked but the > > > sound track was really good? > > One that comes to mind is Zero Patience. Great music, very edgy, especially > Michael Callan. But the movie was pretty bad, though its subject matter noble. > > Jerry > > np: Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table > The ultimate example of the movie *and* the soundtrack both being great has to be 'The Graduate'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:49:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: bass and fest > Hi Gang > > I've been reading the Jonifest reports with delight and envy of you all. > And what a mutual admiration society you have formed. You mean, there > wasn't one single, solitary asshole at the fest??? ( : No, not a single one! (And please don't start with the 'Uh, Mark, we didn't want to tell you this but you're a real.....') Seriously, though, everyone was wonderful. All warm, funny, intelligent people. All a pleasure to be around. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) Mark steps into his Wayback machine ... > The ultimate example of the movie *and* the > soundtrack both being > great has to be 'The Graduate'. > No arguments there ... "Harry and Tonto" was pretty tasty too ... Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:02:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) > > > I appreciate the "power" aspect of an adult taking advantage, though you > could argue that nowadays some children over the age of 11 or 12 are > significantly sexually developed and aware to be beyond a certain > "innocence". I believe in judging each "case" on its merits. It really > annoys and infuriates me when the media gets all high and mighty over > anything to do with sexual relationships, teenage pregnanicies etc etc. > The majority of the stories you hear about DO merit this outrage, but > taking this "blanket" stance over ALL of them isn't taking into account > all the myriad causes and background to whatever has happened. Not every > 12, 13 or 14 year old girl is the same. That is surely obvious, and > therefore there WILL be some teenage girls who are not at harm IF it is > they who have initiated that level of relationship. I am staggered by this. This is exactly what peodophiles argue!!!!!!!(do not misunderstand me I am not accusing you.) I do find this line of thinking very offensive, the level of ignorance is frightening. It is this kind of thinking that allows so much abuse to go on and why many who have been abused do not come forward and do not seek the help they need. It seems that too many people feel that only the very small who are raped are real victims and the others asked for it. This is exactly how I felt for many years which left me unable to function because of the effects but too ashamed to tell because 'i asked for it'. let me explain: I discovered that it is not 'normal' for very young kids to be sexually aware. yes it is normal to play drs and nurses but many young kids go way beyond that and want to penetrate etc. This, in the very young, does not come naturally-it is taught to them by experience. Later as an 11 year olf, 12 yearold or teen, this sexualising of relationships continues. In my case, once I was first abused, it was very easy for that abuse to continue. You could say I invited it. I had found a way of being trreated nicely! As long as I did what i was told and I pleased, I would not get hurt and I would get attention and 'love'. According to your defininition, the child pornographer whom i was pleasing was not doing anything wrong, I was and he was merely unable to resist my advances!!! Or what about Mrs Herderson and her advances, her caresses, her nakedness. I didn't run away. I let her do what she wanted to do, despite my inner feeling. It might even be said I was willing because I didn't resist. Of course I didn't she was an adult. I obeyed adults. Due to the abuse, I was left unable to relate to people except sexually. This had a devastating affect on my life. What you and many others fail to understand, is that children who become that sexually aware do so as a result of some form of abuse, neglect, emotional deprivation etc. It does not happen by accident. As for innocence, I was innocent. i had no idea of what was being done, it's ramifications etc. I was a child and quite unalbe to have the wherewithal to understand what was going on. I was caught in adult sickness and doing the best i could to survive. being touched and excited and 'oved' was much better than being beaten. Only the damage was same. Fortunately, for me it is over and done with. I have sorted it out and live very well. unfortunately, many others have not sorted it. They are addicted or dead or miserable or in jail or prostitutes. This sort of abuse, and attitude to it, still exists, hence I do not flinch from being candid. perhaps what i have to say will prevent someone having to go thru it or will educate someone into a better understanding. You know, if a 13 year old girl, strips herself naked and lap dances for you, YOU are the one who must say NO. If you do not, then you will have committed child abuse. A few years ago I was in a situation where someone waaaay underage made a very obvious and graphic pass at me. I walked away. I was scared by it and very angry. Angry because I knew that boy would NOT have done what he had done had some bastard not already taught him.( i d not mean taught him to be gay here, but taught him that his sexuality was something with which to gain attention) and scared because it made me see just how vulnerable I had been at his age. Scared too because I bet the next person took him up on it. > Take for instance > the recent outcry over that 15 yr old schoolgirl moving in with her 32 > yr-old teacher. This case caused so much upraor because most people can SEE that it is an abuse of power. There is no way the 15 year old has the same knowledge, experience etc of the 32 year old. The teacher peupil relaionship should not be abused in this way. The teacher broke the trust put in him. Full stop. > Too much is made of the pupil/teacher aspect, and also > the age gap as well. Colin, I am in a way rather surprised by your > attitude to adult/teenager relationships, because in my opinion it is > another form of discrimination. Peadophiles argue along the same lines. The point is, age gaps between ADULTS is not a problem. I am almost 12 years younger than my partner.I was once 25 years younger than my partner, however in that situation he was abusive and I was naive but old enough to walk away. Jason, I strongly disagree with your stance on this. I think it is because you do not understand. This does not mean that I now think less of you! Perhaps you might want to read some books on the subject which will help you see why I disagree so strongly. Alice Miller is a good start. Be warned tho,she doesn't just cover sexual abuse and it might be a painfull read. bw colin - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:19:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Klaus who??? The reportedly good-looking Bob Muller wrote: >Unfortunately, Hollywood wants to "niche" actors so they get stuck playing >the same characters over & over...he also played Klaus Barbi in "Reversal >of Fortune" Klaus von Bulow, maybe? Barbi was somebody else very unpleasant... Don't feel bad - some people on the dulcimer list started talking about Spike Lee when they meant Spike Jones.... :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:12:51 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Judee, Judee, Judee >Sitting in front of me was a woman who looked like a 40-something >Judee >Sill. I never got up the nerve to speak to her, but I posted >to the FOLKDJ-L, asking for current info on her - those DJs >know EVERYTHING! I got several responses - some months later, >but was crushed to hear that Judee died in 1974 at the age of 25. Whoa, Steve, maybe she's not really dead. Maybe it was all just a nasty rumour and she's out there... with Elvis! (Sorry, I must confess to having never heard of JS, but I couldn't resist.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:25:55 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) Quid - wonder if it comes from quid pro quo? (I'll give you a quid for that quo over there!) Naaahh. Cockney rhyming slang maybe? Naaah. Moving right along... >'raining cats and dogs' looks interesting though (says Paul) > >Well you learn something new every day. Apparently in Northern >European mythology, it is believed that cats influence the weather >and dogs represent wind. > I had always envisioned one of those weather quirks where it has (supposedly!) happened that tornadoes pick up frogs and rain them down elsewhere. I just figured it had happened with the cats and dogs that time. It's raining cats and dogs - I just stepped in a poodle! (groan) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:34:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Mishegas - NJC Mishoogena or mishugenuh (however you spell it!) is one of my favourite words. Yiddish is such an amazing language. I almost signed up for a course in it in University - it was a psycholinguist study thing, not a learn-to-speak course. But I chickened out because enrolment was quite limited and I figured you probably had to be Yiddish-speaking to get in. My mother-in-law, who was actually Italian and Catholic, but who married a German Jewish man and so learned to speak German before learning to speak English (after they moved to Canada), used to come out with the occasional Yiddish word. It always sounded so funny coming out with this Italian/German accent. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:38:29 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Unwelcome guests at the party? - NJC Kate J, echoing the sentiments of my own evil twin/doppelganger (from another dimension) pipes up with: >And what a mutual admiration society you have formed. You mean, there >wasn't one single, solitary asshole at the fest??? ( : I love it!!! Ashara, you must have a flaw. Somewhere? Please don't be like one of my classmates who was: an A student, good-looking, a singer/dancer, and a one-time candidate for Miss Canada. I really wanted to hate her but I couldn't because, in addition to all that, she was also (dammit!!!) nice!!! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:44:31 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: chawclit - NJC Janene starts off: >One last comment about chocolate: Cara mia, there is NEVER a LAST comment about chocolate! and then says: >I was in Belgium and couldn't eat any other chocolate for about 5 >years >after that. Although I do like Hershey's >chocolate, eating Hershey's after eating fresh Belgian chocolate is >like >eating McDonald's after filet mignon. =) You got that right, sister! I agree with you and with Colin who said you could actually be satisfied with only one or two Belgians and not a whole box. You eat up the cheap stuff like that because you're trying to get the same high you'd get from one or two (Homer-Simpson-type-drool) Belgian choggies. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:01:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Joni's music in movies Here's one for you with Joni's music in the movies - the very quirky Scorsese film "After Hours" with Griffin Dunne playing an accountant-type guy who has just recently moved to New York City and, being very bored, accepts some kind of blind date and ends up in a hellish nightmare where people may or may not be getting murdered or committing suicide, and the guy just wants to get home. In one scene, he meets a waitress, played by Teri Garr, who seems stuck in some kind of '60's time warp and takes him to her place, where she has the incense going and plays Joni Mitchell's Clouds album for him. I guess you had to be there, but I wasn't sure how to react to that - was Scorsese making fun of Joni lovers or was it some kind of weird tribute? Definitely a weird film. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 'Quid' aka "A bit of bob" (NJC) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I had always envisioned one of those weather quirks > where it has > (supposedly!) happened that tornadoes pick up frogs > and rain them down > elsewhere. I just figured it had happened with the > cats and dogs that time. > It's raining cats and dogs - I just stepped in a > poodle! (groan) > Desmond Morris, in his book "Cat Watching" attributes the origins of "raining cats and dogs" to a time before the advent of modern sewer systems. In the absence of sufficient drainage, heavy rains would flood the streets, drowning large numbers of stray animals -- the majority of which were dogs and cats. Sad, if true. Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:32:38 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Unwelcome guests at the party? - NJC Catherine queries: << I love it!!! Ashara, you must have a flaw. Somewhere? >> Paaaaaaaaaleeeeeeeeeze!!!!!!!!!!!!! Catherine, Dahlink!!!!!!!!!! I have LOADS, and LOADS of them! (just ask my kids!!!) LOL!!!! Where, oh where, do you want me to start, and how much time do you have to listen? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:49:20 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Smoe downtime ahead Joniphiles - Our gracious list provider has run into a few problems, causing 12 hours of upcoming downtime. Les >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:18:47 -0400 >From: Jeff Wasilko > >Due to a minor fire a few weeks ago at the location where smoe.org is >located, the building will be without power from 06:00 until >18:00 EDT on Saturday 8/11 so that repairs can be made to the >power distribution system. > >This means smoe.org will be down during that time. NP - Beth Orton - "Central Reservation" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:04:05 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni's Court and Spark Hello Listers, Quick question for the audiophiles here. I was wondering if the original Court and Spark LP was glossy or matted? I just won an "original" CAS LP and was told it is an original pressing which is why I bidded on it in the first place. My CAS is matted and has raised letters on the front cover. This one that I won is glossy. PLEASE HELP! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:06:42 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Movies In a message dated 9/8/1999 8:41:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << At 6:50 PM -0400 9/8/99, Julie Z. Webb wrote: >Film: >1. A Walk On The Moon >2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" >Television: >1. thirtysomething "River" >2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" >3. Chicago Hope "A Case of You" >4. Ally McBeal "Both Sides Now" NP-Banquet >> I think Circle Game- Wonder years ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:46:02 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: A Visit to the Dentist - Long Why I chose to go to the dentist on my first day among the ranks of the unemployed I don't know - I probably should have had my head examined rather than my teeth and gums. The appointment was for a cleaning and then an exam. As the dental hygienist from Texas led me to the chair, she noticed the inscription above the pocket of my shirt, "the Joni Mitchell internet community." "Oh, I love Joni Mitchell," she exclaimed. In goes the saliva suction device and then she starts poking around. "Are you flossing daily?" "Um hum" I try to answer. "Well, after I had my baby I suffered from post-partum depression and I would play the 'Blue' album over and over. Now I'm going to start with the ultrasonic cleaner and water will spray everywhere so don't be alarmed." "Um hum" I try to answer. "Did you notice that a piece of your left rear molar is missing? Have you been experiencing any pain?" "Um hum" I try to answer. "Well, I want the doctor to see this, I'll be right back." "Here we go, I think - I've had too many good check-ups. Now that I'm unemployed in my early forties - it's going to start...." My jazz loving dentist, Dr. Bock comes into the room, expresses pleasantries and the metal instrument in gloved hand dives into my mouth. "Well Leslie, I see another problem besides the chipped tooth. Blah blah blah SURGERY blah blah blah MICRO-ORGANISMS GET INTO THE TISSUE Blah blah blah MAJOR CAUSE OF ADULT TOOTH LOSS blah blah blah we'll just numb you up and you'll feel pain for the rest of the day blah blah blah. "Well, Dr. Bock, I'm really not in the mood today for a procedure like that, besides I'm going to see Emmylou and Linda tonight." My face turns several sheets of white and I curse myself for keeping this appointment. He asks the hygienist to take some x.-rays. She replies that she's not quite through as she hasn't polished my teeth yet. She puts on the acrylic face shield and begins to brighten up my pearly whites. "You know, while I was suffering from post-partum depression, my father was diagnosed with cancer. One day I was driving and 'River' came on the radio, I had to pull off the road and just ball my eyes out," she said with that Dallas drawl. "I can relate," I tried to reply with the saliva suction device still firmly in place. All of a sudden, as the spray was soaking my face she breaks into song from behind that acrylic face shied, "I could drink a case of you oo oo oo oo oo oo oo..." Well, you can imagine that I just about slithered out of that chair. Leslie (with the shining teeth) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:34:53 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NJC Bob's lying! > Catman asks: > > <> > > Bob responds, > uhhhhh.........when you become an ordained priest, I'll come to your > ordination! :~) > Ok, Bob, this Saturday is the 22nd anniversary of my ordination; what time shall I pick you up from the airport? (the Rev) Vince, wondering why Bob threw that particular challenge ("when you become an ordained priest...") out... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:26:22 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Bob, show thyself (NJC) Catherine wrote: > I might be able to manage a type of stick-drawing > using | \ and -, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. If you look carefully, this is me (having a bad hair day!) /////// \\\\\\\ / - - \ < @ @ > ( () ) (----) ``` PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:44:17 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni's Court and Spark At 06:04 PM 9/9/99 EDT, CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >I was wondering if the original >Court and Spark LP was glossy or matted? My "original" copy has a matte finish. The letters "Court and Spark" are embossed (raised) but not colored at all. I also have another C&S (LP) album that has black "Court and Spark" letters, still embossed, and with a matte cardboard cover. I haven't seen the glossy album you describe, so apparently there are a few different versions circulating but I don't know which came first. Scott, thinking that regardless the edition, what a masterpiece C&S really is, even after all these years. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: suemc16@webtv.net (Susan McNamara) Subject: Re: Soundtracks (sjc) Hi Folks: I bought my daughter WebTV for her birthday and it had extra email slots so I thought, maybe I can actually start participating on the Joni list again instead of painfully skimming digests at work!! I haven't had time yet to read all the wonderful reports of Ashara's Laborless day party Jonistyle. I'm jealous of all you music makers out there but I'm very happy you had such a rockin good time. Did anyone type up a set list? I would love to see that. I did check out the pictures and saw some familiar faces from 8/15/98 (a day that is seared in my memory banks). Talking about soundtracks, has anyone told the story yet about Alice's Restaurant and how they got the Joni-look-alike to sing Songs To Aging Children Come? I can't remember which interview it was where Joni laid that one out in detail but it showed her very good business sense in the early days but deprived us of seeing her lovliness perform her own song on camera in a feature film. enough said, this is me sans etch a sketch! Take care, Sue NP: Tape Tree #8: Trouble Man ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:51:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Court and Spark catgirl, i'm sure the original was matted with raised letters. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:53:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Talented JMDLers at Asharas After reading and thoroughly enjoying all of the reports at Jonifest '99, I'm almost afraid to attend Jonifest 2000. It seems like everyone there played some kind of instrument or sang beautifully!!! I love music (especially Joni's), but I can't play any instruments or sing. Am I the only JMDLer that doesn't have any musical talents? Can I still show up next year? I do know how to applaud!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:05:17 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Court and Spark Hey Catgirl, I bought C&S when it first came out. It was my first Joni album, and it is matted with the raised letters. If the glossy one is an original, maybe it was some kind of special edition. I know when the Talking Heads came out with "Speaking in Tongues", they also produced 500 albums that the cover was designed by the artist Robert Rauschenberg (which I was fortunate enough to get signed by the artist and David Byrne). So maybe you win on something that is rare. I hope so!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:27:47 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Soundtracks (sjc) When I think of soundtracks, I think of Mark Isham. He's a terrific musician, of course, but he's not bad as a composer, thankyouverymuch. I've mentioned before how much I like "Trouble In Mind" (with Marianne Faithful), and his "Film Music" on Windham Hill is nice, too. (I especially like his work on "The Times of Harvey Milk," which is included on "Film Music.") Just did a quick sweep through my apartment and spotted these Isham soundtrack CDs: "Afterglow," "The Browning Version," "Billy Bathgate," "Quiz Show," and "The Public Eye." I'd highly recommend "Afterglow," which features a humble little band made up of Charles Lloyd, Gary Burton, Mark Isham, Sid Page, Geri Allen, Billy Higgins, and Jeff Littleton. - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:04:08 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Smoe downtime ahead I guess this means 9/11? - -Jenny from CT > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:18:47 -0400 > >From: Jeff Wasilko > > > >Due to a minor fire a few weeks ago at the location where smoe.org is > >located, the building will be without power from 06:00 until > >18:00 EDT on Saturday 8/11 so that repairs can be made to the > >power distribution system. > > > >This means smoe.org will be down during that time. > > NP - Beth Orton - "Central Reservation" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:16:33 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Talented JMDLers at Asharas Jimmy wrote: > > Am I the only JMDLer that doesn't have any musical talents? > Can I still show up next year? > I do know how to applaud!!! > > Jimmy I am a fellow talentless JMDLer. Well, I have talents, they just don't include playing a musical instrument, except maybe a tamburine! I'll be clapping right along with you next year, Jimmy! - -Jenny from CT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:26:52 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Withdrawal symptoms In Nederland noemen we zo iemand een 'kanjer'! i'm guessing, "in the netherlands, we'd call you a magician (a conjurer)" well spoken, if i've translated it correctly john! hell it was probably well spoken whatever it means. patrick np - ladysmith black mambazo - two worlds one heart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:34:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: set lists, pictures, recording njc that's a good idea! i remember most of the sets, but the idea of letting anything that happened at ashara's escape my memory terrifies me. will there be any tapes and videos too? i'm willing to buy the whole box set! wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: Susan McNamara Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Jueves 9 de Septiembre de 1999 17:11 Asunto: Re: Soundtracks (sjc) Did anyone type up a set list? I would love to see that. I did check out the pictures and saw some familiar faces from 8/15/98 (a day that is seared in my memory banks). Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Talented JMDLers at Asharas > Jimmy wrote: > > > > Am I the only JMDLer that doesn't have any musical talents? > > Can I still show up next year? > > I do know how to applaud!!! > > > > Jimmy > > I am a fellow talentless JMDLer. Well, I have talents, they just don't > include playing a musical instrument, except maybe a tamburine! > I'll be clapping right along with you next year, Jimmy! > -Jenny from CT I don't play an instrument & I'm certainly no Sinatra but I sure had fun singing along. After all, Ashara's philosophy is if you can talk, you can sing! This a Michael Timmins line that has been going through my head today: Do you remember when you'd pray to never see the day When someone would make you feel this way 'Cause you knew they would cut right through you And once inside, you were afraid they'd find Nothing to hold on to. I was scared to death to attend one of these gatherings of JMDLers. I have come to think so highly of so many people on this list, to respect their talent and intelligence and knowledge that I was afraid to meet them. I was afraid they would think me rather dull, ignorant and unsophisticated. All I can say is that if any of the people at Ashara's felt that way I certainly didn't sense or see it. All I felt was warmth and acceptance and a feeling of kinship. Don't ever feel hesitancy to join in one of these gatherings. You will feel that you belong whether you're musical or not. These are a great bunch of people. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:41:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Withdrawal symptoms john, you're right! it seems like the only thing that we noticed about you was the chocolate, but nothing could be further from the truth. i loved your accent [did you really fake it?], your old-world ways [you'd love my town!], your musicianship and your chocolate, of course. besides, now that our two countries will be so closely related [you know what i mean] i'd better start singing your praises. i say, here's to the netherland's gentlest giant! wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: John van Tiel Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Jueves 9 de Septiembre de 1999 13:40 Asunto: Withdrawal symptoms >One thing, however, needs to be set straight for once and for all. I >travel something like 4,000 miles to meet fellow listers whose posts I >have been enjoying for the past three years, being the devoted lurker I >am. I even get stuck in Iceland. I try to have these nice, intelligent >conversations, throw in as much old-world charm as I can, sing to you in >Dutch, put on a British accent... and what do you remember me by? A box >of bleeding Belgian chocolates! It even becomes a small thread on the >list! Talk about a personality boost. ;-) > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #394 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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