From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #393 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 393 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bad movie, great sound track (NJC) [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) [catman ] Re: What A Country! (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Trees [TheHotelNH@aol.com] Jonifest (long) [M.Russell@iaea.org] NJC Re: Joni Gathering at Ashara's [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Jonifest - things I forgot to say [M.Russell@iaea.org] Mishegas (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] bass and fest [Kate ] Re: Kids' songs, NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Hissing Demos Digitally Remastered ... [Don Rowe ] Re: Bob, show thyself NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] this subject is addictive (njc) [Janene Otten ] Dr. Siggy Analyzes JoniFest [TerryM2442@aol.com] NJC Re: Jonifest [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC Re: bass and fest [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: What A Country! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Part 2: Thanks, Maria Callas [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Dr. Siggy Analyzes JoniFest (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] RE: Joni in Movies [Anne Sandstrom ] Songs to Aging Children Come [Steve Dulson ] Movie music (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Egg on my face! (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] RE: Egg on my face! (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: JoniFest '99 ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Fundraiser update!!!! [Ashara@aol.com] Re: What A Country! (NJC) [catman ] Re: NJC Bob's lying! [catman ] High school popular choices - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Soundtracks (sjc) [Janene Otten ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:00:23 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Bad movie, great sound track (NJC) One of my favorite scores ever is for WATER WORLD. I highly reccommend this CD! I was up in Toronto for three weeks doing post-production on this film and saw it as many as 30 or 40 times. It was always a pleasure, because as silly as the movie was (a blatant rip-off of the brilliant ROAD WARRIOR) it had some gorgeous music. The composer made brilliant use of a Japanese bamboo flute -- I think they are called hichirikis, which have a deep and melancholy tone. Otherwise, score had some gorgeous melodies and made excellent use of some kind of water filled instrument as well, like hitting your milk glass with a spoon. np: Mark Isham - Miles Remembered ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:46 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) A sound track that is better than the movie IMHO: Alive (starring Ethan Hawke) The Last Seduction (Linda Fiorentino) - okay, okay, I also liked this neo-noir of Dahl and much as the movie is good, the soundtrack is even better (very West Coast jazz). Love Affair (musical scorer: Ennio Morricone) Soundtracks on already good films: The Prince of Tides The Mission The Fabulous Baker Boys Joseph np: Mathilde Santing's "Love of a Common Man" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 99 01:49:45 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #391 >f.tortorici@conference-board.org well, it seems that Joni's management has directly quoted me. Didn't they mention where the info came from? I've had that report up on JM.COM for over a week. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:53:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) The only one that comes to mind is 1492, music by Vangelis. I enjoyed the film tho. The only vangelis I enjoy too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:06:06 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) catman wrote: > > Don Rowe wrote: > > The most recent film version of Nabokov's "Lolita" was > > deemed "pornographic" and kept from wide commercial > > release in theatres > > This film presents a difficult problem, for me anyway. I don't know if > it is pornographic as I haven't seen it. I don't believe in censorship. > However, the story is appalling. Not only is it about child abuse i.e. > an adult man having sex with a child, but the story blames the child for > the man's behaviour.I am assuming this is the same film that jeremy > irons recently starred in? He has suspicious views too. he stated in a > high brow magazine that he caned his boys naked behinds when they did > not please him. Woah.....that does sound mightily "suspect", but who knows if it's true? Anyhow, regarding the latest version of Lolita....Colin, the Jeremy Irons remake does NOT blame the child. Apparently, Adrian Lynne (the director) reinstated what must be the crucial aspect of the story - the tragic events of Humbert's childhood which caused his weakness and why Lolita ignited the longing for his lost adolescent love. I loved this film...I'd rate it as one of the finest I've ever seen. It's visually stunning, emotionally and dramtically potent, and at no point did I think it was "appalling" or "perverted". There was no nudity (save for a brief - and non-sexual - scene with one of the other leading adult roles). The air of helpless, overwhelming passion, longing and lust was almost palpable at times. Without wishing to start a heated NJC debate, I don't agree with the "child abuse" tag in the case of Lolita. IMO, this phrase is used far too often and liberally in society these days. "Abuse" suggests involuntary sexual activity or assault, which can hardly describe her flagrant and wilful flirting and seduction of Humbert. Perhaps "sex with a minor" might be a better term for what you mean, and I would accept and understand your discomfort with that in most cases, but Lolita was not forced upon against her wishes, and as such - and despite the age gap - the relationship with Humbert does not qualify as "chld abuse". It's a very murky moral area, I admit, and I'm sure there are those who disagree with my opinion. The girl playing Lolita was, I think, about 15 when the film was made (which was 3 years ago), but a body double was used for all of the "sexual" scenes, to avert any claims of using a minor in such scenes. The film didn't glorify, condone or celebrate the behaviour of any character, and consequently was a terribly sad and poignant tale. Jason. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:06:06 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) catman wrote: > > Don Rowe wrote: > > The most recent film version of Nabokov's "Lolita" was > > deemed "pornographic" and kept from wide commercial > > release in theatres > > This film presents a difficult problem, for me anyway. I don't know if > it is pornographic as I haven't seen it. I don't believe in censorship. > However, the story is appalling. Not only is it about child abuse i.e. > an adult man having sex with a child, but the story blames the child for > the man's behaviour.I am assuming this is the same film that jeremy > irons recently starred in? He has suspicious views too. he stated in a > high brow magazine that he caned his boys naked behinds when they did > not please him. Woah.....that does sound mightily "suspect", but who knows if it's true? Anyhow, regarding the latest version of Lolita....Colin, the Jeremy Irons remake does NOT blame the child. Apparently, Adrian Lynne (the director) reinstated what must be the crucial aspect of the story - the tragic events of Humbert's childhood which caused his weakness and why Lolita ignited the longing for his lost adolescent love. I loved this film...I'd rate it as one of the finest I've ever seen. It's visually stunning, emotionally and dramtically potent, and at no point did I think it was "appalling" or "perverted". There was no nudity (save for a brief - and non-sexual - scene with one of the other leading adult roles). The air of helpless, overwhelming passion, longing and lust was almost palpable at times. Without wishing to start a heated NJC debate, I don't agree with the "child abuse" tag in the case of Lolita. IMO, this phrase is used far too often and liberally in society these days. "Abuse" suggests involuntary sexual activity or assault, which can hardly describe her flagrant and wilful flirting and seduction of Humbert. Perhaps "sex with a minor" might be a better term for what you mean, and I would accept and understand your discomfort with that in most cases, but Lolita was not forced upon against her wishes, and as such - and despite the age gap - the relationship with Humbert does not qualify as "chld abuse". It's a very murky moral area, I admit, and I'm sure there are those who disagree with my opinion. The girl playing Lolita was, I think, about 15 when the film was made (which was 3 years ago), but a body double was used for all of the "sexual" scenes, to avert any claims of using a minor in such scenes. The film didn't glorify, condone or celebrate the behaviour of any character, and consequently was a terribly sad and poignant tale. Jason. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:08:49 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: Trees Hi... I know there's another list for trees, and I have misplaced the address to get in touch with the list. I am on one of the branches, and have been offline, and very busy with a new teaching job, so I'm kind of late getting into the branches. So, if you could remind me of the address, I'll post to the list and get the name of the branch that I'm on so I'll be able to send in my blank cds. (I've started a new job teaching English, and I've worked some Joni into the curriculum...I'll try to post soon telling you all about that. I had kind of joked with some of you earlier about "teaching Joni," but now I've really done it!) Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:02:03 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Jonifest (long) I am so happy that I could attend this year's Boston Jonifest. I don't think I've ever smiled so much except maybe after giving birth to each of my daughters. Others have talked about the feeling of family/more than family and I share that feeling completely - I felt very much at home physically because of the beauty and comfort of the surroundings provided so generously and graciously by dear Ashara, and emotionally/intellectually/essentially because of being in the company of so many others who love Joni's music as much or more than I do. I think my level of social comfort was increased by already having met at the two previous fests more than half of the people who attended so that I didn't feel overwhelmed by a sea of completely new faces. It also helped that I arrived early so that I could, like Bob, meet the new people a few at a time. I tried to talk a little bit to everyone, but in such a large group with so much going on, I didn't manage to talk to everyone as much as I would have liked and other people hardly at all. Hopefully I'll get another chance in the future. The return trip to Vienna was very pleasant. I had no problems with my guitars - checked the Ovation with my suitcase into regular luggage and it arrived without any scratches or damage to the case and it was even in tune when I opened the case so they must have treated it gently (like an idiot, I forgot to detune the strings before I checked it!). I brought the new one on the plane without any problems or questions - it fit right in the overhead compartment - but I had to leave it at the Vienna airport until I got a customs declaration which I got yesterday. It is now hiding safely under the bed in the guest bedroom until I figure out how to tell my husband about it. :^D I feel really good physically - no jet lag - managed to sleep a bit on the plane and had a good night's sleep before coming in to work on Tuesday. Boston was like a total vacation - no kids, no job, no spouse, no demands - and it was also deeply comforting on some essential level to be around so many kindred spirits. Because of this it's an emotional/mental adjustment to come back to the realities of my life. But life could be much harder and I'm not so much complaining as just explaining why, like WallyK, I feel a little down at the moment. Where to begin? Thank you, Les, for JMDL - the alpha and omega - without which none of this would ever have come to pass! I'm so glad that I finally got to meet you and hope we will see each other again someday. Thank you, Julie, for taking that first leap of faith in hosting Jonifest #1 - - making it easier for Ashara. I'm so glad you were there again this year and I especially enjoyed singing with you in the F-troop! Thank you, Ashara, for generously opening your home to us a second time - for the time and effort you spent to make things go so smoothly - for your graciousness and warmth and enthusiasm. Thank you for sharing so much of yourself with us in your songs. You are a powerful force for good in the world and I'm sure you have many treasures in heaven (and lots more chocolate at the moment than any of us have ever had at one time!). Thank you, Chuck, for lugging all that sound equipment to the fest again and for all the time you spent repeatedly setting it all up and making sure that it worked right and for taking it all down again and shifting it first to the living room and then to Atty Mays and then home. You must have some new muscles after all that! Thank you for your beautiful songs and for playing the dulcimer on the stage. Thank you, Heather, for another beautiful name tag! Thank you, Maggie, for organizing the food! Thank you, Katie, for the Joni games! Thank you, Ric, for being there! Michael Paz! You are such a sweetheart! You look like a mean ol' Daddy, but you're a marshmallow and I love ya! Your voice is so soothing and beautiful and I will forever remember listening to your beautiful Hejira while watching the trees dancing against the blue sky above us all there - I was deeply moved and could not hold back the tears. Thank you for bringing and cleaning and marinating and grilling the shrimp once more for our pleasure! And thank you for bringing all the VG-8 stuff and so generously letting us all have fun with it! MG! I'm so glad that we got a chance to talk this time. You are always saying things in JMDL that I totally relate to or that make me laugh and I feel like you are one of my sisters - love you that much! I'm so happy for you and B!!! WallyK!!! What a delightful person! I really love you so much and you were so *good* on the stage. The reason it was so quiet during your performance was because your performance was breathtaking - so pure and magical - so totally poetry!!! I *loved* you!!! And, like Michael's Hejira, your The Last Time I Saw Richard moved me to tears. I sure hope somebody got you on tape!!! Dear WallyK, I miss you so much and wish we lived closer so that we could see each other now and then. I understand how sad you feel now, because that's how I felt last year and how I feel now. It's such a high to connect with everyone and so sad to have to say goodbye. Roberto! Roberto! Roberto! Hands alike, magnet and iron.... You are for sure an old friend from some lifetimes ago. It's probably a good thing that we don't live in the same town! You are an incredible pianist, but I guess you know that already. I was totally amazed that you could learn Two Grey Rooms in half an hour so that you could accompany Ashara, and I absolutely loved your beautiful accompaniment of John's Dutch song. I hope someday in some life I can learn to play piano as well as you do and I hope next year I can sing something while you play and also that you will deign to bless us with a solo performance! John! What a pleasure to finally meet you in person! Thank you for the Belgian chocolates! I must say, I have never experienced such a chocolate pleasure as that, and I have eaten more than my fair share of chocolate in my lifetime. I totally loved your Dutch song - such a beautiful melody and sung with so much heart and emotion - and the small fruit song was precious - - very cute! Cat, you are beautiful to look at and your voice is like silver! I loved your energy and uninhibited self-expression - you are a lovely person inside and out! I really enjoyed your musical contributions and I hope to have the pleasure of hearing you again next year! Bob Muller! What an energetic and present person (like Joni!) and you are so funny!!! I *loved* your "kazoo" on Dreamland and all your little jokes during various conversations. I'm so glad I got to meet you! Dear Anne! I loved your Chelsea Morning backwards song!!! You play guitar and sing so well. Sorry we didn't get to talk - hope we'll get a chance next year. Terry! When you started playing your guitar, I found myself still in awe of your ability - you do things that I have never seen anyone do before and things that I have never imagined doing. Next year you have to show me some of your tricks! I loved your performance and especially enjoyed your pure sweet voice. You've got a great voice, Terry! No reason to be shy! Jody! Thank you for smiling so much! Being an anxious person myself, I find it very comforting to be around such a positive and gentle person as you. I hope your foot is doing better and I hope next year we'll get to that guitar lesson. Dear Kenny! So good to see you again! Thank you so much for your encouragement and for helping me with God Must Be A Boogie Man! Give yourself a big hug from me! Mark - such a deep, intense person in person. I'm sure you are part Indian, if not by blood, than in spirit. Like MG, you often say things that I feel too - like what you said about the blue sky at the fest. You are like a brother that I always wished for but never had (didn't Julie say that about somebody?). It was great to meet you in person. Laura and Gina, I'm sorry I didn't get to talk to you very much. Hopefully we'll have another chance next year. Bryan, you are just wonderful and so totally original - I'm sure you are going to be famous one day. I'm so glad I got your autograph while I still had the chance! Dear Brian - so good to see you again! Thanks for taking such good care of M! I just think you two are so cute together and I am very happy for you both! Bern - your walnut pie was wickedly good and I can't wait to try your other recipes. I enjoyed talking with you. Have fun in Paris! Jeff - good luck with your guitar playing! Maybe you can get on the stage next year? Dear Kakki! I think it's amazing that you only drank one martini the whole weekend! What self-restraint! But do you really think it was necessary? I think you should try to be a bit more relaxed next year and allow yourself a few more. I mean, you're among friends, you know? You are so much fun to be around - so glamorous and so sweet and you're still holding out on us your secret musical talents! Next year, I hope to see you up on the stage singing some of your originals! Patrick, it was good to see you again. Thank you so much for your encouragement - it is very meaningful coming from you and very much appreciated. Penny! ZaPuppy is so *CUTE*!!! I'm really glad we got the chance to talk a little bit at Atty Mays. Despite what you say, if you love Joni's music, I'm sure there must be a musician hiding in your soul and I hope to prove it to you next year. Dear Pearl. It was so good to see you again and to meet your sweet husband, Steve. He really seemed to fit right in with everyone. It was nice that you understood about my 2nd guitar quandary and I enjoyed laughing about it with you. I hope to see all of you beautiful people again, hopefully next year at another Jonifest. It is really a very special experience and worth the expense and the travelling to get there (hope you Aussies down under are listening!). Love, Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:42:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni Gathering at Ashara's Gina stated it so succintly with: <> Absolutely Gina! But how can you explain to folks back home when they say "You flew all the way to BOSTON for an INTERNET party?!?" BUT, when I tell them there are party pics and details on the WWW, they are suitably impressed... Bob PS: Thanx for the tape..."Zuma" is great and Dinosaur Jr. rocks! NP: Chris Isaak, "In the Heat of the Jungle" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:49:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (NJC) Bounced Message wrote: > On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 luvart@snet.net wrote: > > Now here's a thread ... how many movies have you viewed that sucked but the > > sound track was really good? One that comes to mind is Zero Patience. Great music, very edgy, especially Michael Callan. But the movie was pretty bad, though its subject matter noble. Jerry np: Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:05:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC Bob's lying! Catman asks: <> uhhhhh.........when you become an ordained priest, I'll come to your ordination! :~) Bob NP: Son Volt, "Ten Second News" (from Trace, definitely one of my "Essential records of the 90's" picks!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:18:16 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Jonifest at Ashara's..."You just have to Go There". I've been trying to get some pictures in order and make copies for people before I lose the negatives, hence my lack of reporting. Unfortunately, I'm in the food biz as well and with Rosh Hashanah so near, I've been working like mad. Rosh Hashanah to me is what tax season is to a tax accountant. I just want to say a few things for now before work. I know that there are some of you on list right now that are faced with much, much more than a sprained ankle. My thoughts and prayers go out to you every day! Please know that!! A Sprained ankle is nothing in comparison. Speaking of sprained ankles, I want to thank my # One Angel Overseer, Laura. I could never have made it intact without her. We did have some close calls at the airport. A Special thanks to Brian Gross and John - You guys were my Angel overseer assistants :~) Big Time! MG, Julie, Terry, Wally K., Roberto,Chuck E. and the list goes on..... To everyone there, I just want to say thank you for being so thoughtful and helpful!! Ashara, I don't know what mishegas means, so I also have to say what a wonderful person you are for hosting Jonifest :~D. What a treat it was to be in your presence! Ok, Ok , I'll stop! I'll have to continue later. Rush hour has been horrific lately. Bye for now, jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:17:02 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Bob's lying! Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Catman asks: > > <> > > uhhhhh.........when you become an ordained priest, I'll come to your > ordination! :~) An ordained priest? Bob! Don't you read the newspapers??!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:24:31 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Jonifest - things I forgot to say Watching the videos of Ashara and her children bungee jumping over and over was a hoot!!! In addition to all her many other virtues, she is one very brave woman! John, it's nice to know what you look like now (a bit like Jerry Garcia!). Thanks for the greetings from Australia and I'll try to write soon! Michael, I am forever in your debt for showing me how to wind my guitar cable so it won't tangle anymore! Ashara has a cookbook, Bern has a cookbook, but who has the third cookbook? Cat? John van Tiel? Who? I need to send you some updates. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:30:05 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Mishegas (NJC) In a message dated 9/9/99 9:22:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << Ashara, I don't know what mishegas means, >> mishegaas or mishegoss Pronounced mish-eh-goss, to rhyme with "dish o' Joss" Hebrew: meshuga: "insane" Literally: insanity, madness. But mishegoss is more often used in a lighter vein to describe not mental disease, but a wacky, irrational, absurd belief; nonsense; hallucinations. "Did you ever hear such a piece of mishegoss?" From The Joys of Yiddish by Leo Rosten Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:44:02 -0600 From: Kate Subject: bass and fest Hi Gang I've been reading the Jonifest reports with delight and envy of you all. And what a mutual admiration society you have formed. You mean, there wasn't one single, solitary asshole at the fest??? ( : Seriously, I'll get to one, one of these years. It sounds like it was really great, and it is good of you guys to share so much detail with the rest of us poor sops who couldn't be there. Chris was asking about bass players. Well, I'm a fledgling bass player. Been at it consistently for four months now. Am interested in everything you say, Chris, that is bass related. And now, I'm going to go put Hejira on and see what it is you've been talking about. Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:49:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Kids' songs, NJC My Dad, in addition to reliving WWII every Sunday by playing military marches, was likewise a Herb Alpert fan. I remember "Whipped cream" very well! >From: Don Rowe >To: Catherine McKay >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Kids' songs, NJC >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't know ... I grew up on some pretty salacious >stuff ... "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" by Herb >Alpert and the Tijuana Brass (salacious album cover >anyhow), The Clancy Brothers Live At Carnegie Hall, >Elvis, Three Dog Night, Peter, Paul and Mary, Arlo >Guthrie, Pete Seger, Janis Joplin, and I also remember >some Canadienne songbird's first album, the name of >which escapes me at the moment ... ;-) > >Don Rowe >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Hissing Demos Digitally Remastered ... Well folks, it's done! And what a beautiful thing it is ... we've taken the liberty of calling it "The Seeding of Summer Lawns" -- and in many ways it is far superior to the commercial release. Anyone interested in the "HDCD" issue, please e-mail me privately. Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:52:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Bob, show thyself NJC For my part, in addition to pleading ugliness, I confess to being a neo-Luddite. I wouldn't have a clue how to get a photo onto a computer anyway, so my brown paper bag is on hold for now. I might be able to manage a type of stick-drawing using | \ and -, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. Someone, and I don't remember if it was someone on this list (if so, my guess is Colin the Catman), or one of my co-workers, sent out an e-mail recently saying that if you put your face up close enough to your computer, you can end up with your own image on the screen. Sort of a techy shroud of Turin. >From: CaTGirl627@aol.com >To: cateri@hotmail.com, johnlow40@hotmail.com >CC: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bob, show thyself >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:50:54 EDT > >In a message dated 9/8/1999 12:14:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >cateri@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I'm with you, John! If there's one person I'd really like to know what >he > looks like (I recognize that was really bad English, but I can't think of > the proper way to say that just now!) it's Bob Muller of Fluoride (or > whatever the hell the rest of that address is!) > > Not that you're ever going to catch my ugly mug anywhere! > >> >It sounds to me Les that you need to get that Pic of Bob with Joni holding >his hand out there in the Gallery!!! Or Bob send me a scan and I will put >it >on JoniMitchellFans@Onelist! >Catgirl boy I love that picture!! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:01:39 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: this subject is addictive (njc) One last comment about chocolate: I was in Belgium and couldn't eat any other chocolate for about 5 years after that. Although I do like Hershey's chocolate, eating Hershey's after eating fresh Belgian chocolate is like eating McDonald's after filet mignon. =) J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:18:37 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Dr. Siggy Analyzes JoniFest Hi, Real life slapped me in the face when I got home from AsharaFest, thus my delay in posting to the group. Since so many have talked about the experience before me, I just want to slip in with some quick observations: Ashara. Finally. It took me a year to meet this incredible woman, but it was worth the wait. She doesn't have to say a word, but you can "feel" her soul. The most gracious of hosts, she belted out a song from the gut that I'm sure, made even the squirrels, birds and butterflies take notice. Thank you, Ashara, for making this happen and for your openeness of spirit and generousity. Les, the mystery man, as Julie refers to him. I feel like I know you so well, though I don't really know you at all! I go waaay back to almost the beginning of this list. Your quiet humbleness and intuitiveness made me realize that you have some kind of understanding of the world that few people possess. Thank you for being here, overlooking the life of the list. I truly think that the personality of this list does reflect it's owner. Paz. Another person I'd been wanting to meet. A man as kind and sensitive in real life as he is on the list. You said something so sweet to me after my set that made me feel wonderful. Michael, I'll tell you off list in case you forgot, but I was so bummed after my set, you really did bail me out of those awful feelings. Everyone's mentioned your Hejira, but it was Song To Sharon that made my mouth drop. ChuckE. Another soul mate whom I've been wanting to meet. You have always been a source of musical support for me and you didn't let JoniFest down with your setup of instruments, sound system and making sure that everything was in balance. I almost died and went to heaven when you performed Rainy Night House. Julie, the mother of JoniFests, who made me laugh all night with her keen observations, spirited jokes, all mixed together with intelligence, beauty and sensitivity. This list connected us and enabled us to enjoy a special relationship; I am so grateful for that. Marian, my musical soul mate. Your set made me freeze as I forced myself to NOT study your fingers and concentrate instead on the beautiful sound that came out of you. I say, drop the Vienna band and go solo! I was hypnotized. Did you truly play Hissing? Or am I hallucinating in my memory of some song you played that had leaping changes in tempo that few would attempt to play. Wish we had more time to jam. Now I will get myself into trouble because I'm terrified of leaving everyone else out. I was upset that I didn't have the chance to talk to each person at length and there were some whom I never got to really talk to at all! So... Laura and Jody- you guys are a gas. Finally we get to meet! I will have to write you offlist to talk more about how it felt to see you two in the "real" world. I'm still waiting to win an online contest... Bob, the emcee with the gorgeous accent. You were perfect! Classy guy with a huge heart. Wish I could have talked with you more. No, wish I could have LISTENED to you more. Sigh. John- someone said it before. A classy guy who fascinated me with information on guitars and strings and various stories of your homeland. Plus, thanks for sharing a wonderful way to respond to drivers who give you the finger. Note to readers: ask him- it's great. Kakki- my old friend who brings so much spark to the list. Another person whom I felt badly about not having a chance to yap with. Get those martini glasses in a gallery to sell! Patrick, Heather- SO good to see you again. Heather with your quiet sensitivity who clearly enjoys watching and studying things from afar, yet makes her presence known. And Patrick, who always fascinates me with his plethora of knowledge on...everything, it seems! You always make me want to move back to the city. MG and Brian- shiny faces, full of warmth. Again, could kick myself for not having more time with you. Brian is the king of hugs! Mark- another person I've wanted to meet. Who was it, who said you have the eyes of a young Sean Connery. YES! A quiet, kind man with a great sense of humor. Another one whom I wanted to talk to but couldn't. (I think JoniFest needs to be a week long). Don't faint, Ashara. KIDDING. Kenny, whom I got to hang with on the ride from the airport, is so funny, and who's laugh is so infectious. Next time I sit in the middle row of that van! WaaalyK! Again, Julie sums it up. The man who isn't afraid to let go of his innocence. A man who isn't afraid to show his vulnerabilities. As proof of that, you came on right after Bryan, you brave soul. When you started singing, my husband had just pulled up after a day of fishing and I was forced to hear his tales of the sea, so I missed your entire set! You must sing first next time. I still can't believe that English isn't your native language... Pearl, whose rendition of Marcie was sorely missed. Were you playing in another part of the house? I never got to hear you sing! Maggie, somehow I feel like I've known you my whole life. The culinary queen is also a woman of heart and mind- so sweet and warm. ...and speaking of Woman of Heart and Mind...*thanks* to Catgirl for taking over my lead vocals when I became rather stage fright. Or is it stage frightened? Stage frought? Stage frozen...oh never mind. Singing in front of THE Joni experts is rather unnerving. And since I only sing at home in the basement, when there's no one around, well...this was one hell of a scary experience. Thanks to all for being supportive when I took the stage. And special thanks to Chuck and my lovely Joni choir who backed me. Finally, and unfortunately, a note to Bern, Roberto, Anne, Katie, Penny, Gina and whomever I'm missing (please PLEASE forgive me)- if only there was more time. Next time, ok? To all, thanks for an incredible weekend. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:18:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Re: Jonifest The Martini women recollect: I know you jest here, but for the public record, I only had one martini. > - -Julie And believe it or not, so did I!>> Maybe so Kakki, but Julie's was in a glass, yours was in a 55-gallon drum! :~) Bob, who had his fair share of Tequiza's... NP: Black Flag, "T.V. Party" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:20:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Re: bass and fest Kate wonders: <> Just the neighbor that called the cops... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:30:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) Heather said: <> Unfortunately, Hollywood wants to "niche" actors so they get stuck playing the same characters over & over...he also played Klaus Barbi in "Reversal of Fortune", the voice of the evil Scar in "Lion King", and twins in a David Cronenberg film that was pretty creepy. He's a good actor, I suppose he's content to perpetuate this dark, brooding, "man with a dark secret" character. Wasn't his big break in "French Lieutenant's Woman"? Anyway, I saw "Lolita" and thought it was very well done, certainly not pornographic by any standards...the only thing I had a hard time believing was that he was totally repulsed by Melanie Griffith, I thought she was mighty fine myself! I mean, she's no curvaceous Heather or anything, but she still had it goin' on...:~) Bob, proud member of the JMDL mutual admiration society... NP: Son Volt, "Medicine Hat" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Part 2: Thanks, Maria Callas WallyK says: <> Well, Wally, Marian touched on it but I feel I have to expand on her statement. Ashara had talked earlier about "singing in the spirit", when you're totally grounded and what's coming out of you is not notes from a page but ENERGY from your very SOUL. THAT'S where you were, my friend! And when an artist enters that moment, the audience HAS to become spellbound because they realize they're in the presence of something REAL...and so we were! I have seen it a couple of times before, I think Joni was there when she sang BSN in Atlanta, I have felt it a couple of times myself performing on stage, when I was so emotionally in the moment, I ceased to think about "notes" and "lyrics" in my cerebral mind, I just relaxed and let the truth come out! I'm sure Ashara can address this as a professional much better than I. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:54:26 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Dr. Siggy Analyzes JoniFest (NJC) Dr. Sig wrote: << (I think JoniFest needs to be a week long). >> And the hostess from "Pleasantville says: OK!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:06:16 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Joni in Movies Also, "A Case of You" was in the movie "Truly, Madly, Deeply" - -----Original Message----- From: Julie Z. Webb [mailto:jzw@visint.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:51 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni in Movies Heather's question about movie sound tracks got me thinking about how often Joni's music has been used in movies. Do we have a list of all the movies/tv episodes ever made which feature the work of Joni Mitchell? If not I'll start the list: Film: 1. A Walk On The Moon 2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" Television: 1. thirtysomething "River" 2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:12:50 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Songs to Aging Children Come Paul I wrote: > 3. Alice's Restaurant "Songs to Aging Children Come" covered by Buffy St. >Marie (I think) Wasn't Buffy. I don't know who it *was*, but I don't think it was anybody we would know...not a name that stuck with me. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:15:34 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Movie music (NJC) David Wright wrote: >All I can think of is a lot of cases of the reverse >(movie ruined or undercut by intrusive or un.suitable soundtrack....recent >examples being "Trick" and "Rushmore"). As I wrote recently I LOVED the music in "Rushmore", although I admit, I'm not sure how it "fit" with the movie. >One movie with the best, most musical use of sound I've ever >heard/seen (but it didn't suck, it's a very good movie -- one of my >all-time favorites) is "Stormy Monday," I'll agree with you on that. Great movie! Loved the Polish (?) jazz band. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:07:35 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Egg on my face! (NJC) Well......speaking of cops and jerky neighbors.....I was retelling the "cop" tale to a good friend of mine, and how I said to "Jerry" LeBel (the cop that was called to Jonifest) "What the hell are you doing here?" etc., and she said, "Ashara, his name isn't "Jerry" it's "Rick!" Ohmygod!!!!!! Did I feel totally stupid, or what??? So....I called up the Topsfield Police Station yesterday, and had an embarrassing chat with "Rick" (btw.....there is another of Topsfield's finest that IS named Jerry) to aplogize for calling him the wrong name. We had a great chat, and he told me that he wrote in his report about my jerky neighbor, "Tolerance goes a long way!" I also asked him how to go about getting a permit for the PA system for next year! ;-) Hugs, Ashara {giggle} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:28:07 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Egg on my face! (NJC) YAY!!!!! Only 360 days 'til next year's JoniFest???? I can't wait! I'm going to go start marking my calendar now. And practicing! Anne I also asked him how to go about getting a permit for the PA system for next year! ;-) Hugs, Ashara {giggle} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:39:46 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: JoniFest '99 At 08:12 PM 9/8/99 -0400, Sue Cam, our favorite el.ed. computer science teacher wrote: >Reading with delight all of the details of the New England bash. How great >to see old and new faces (hi Julie!) enjoying the Joni vibe. Long live the >list! >Green with envy in Northern Michigan where the leaves are electric.... Hey Suz, And we missed you too. I was just thinking that the only thing that kept Jonifest99 from being perfect was that we were missing folks and their funny and talented contributions who had attended the Jonifest at my home in Pittsburgh. The first jmdlers who come to mind is Bill Dollinger and Sherrie Good who were goofing around and singing "Free Man in Paris" like the "New Christy Minstrels" giving it a real 60's "groovy-baby" spin. Heck they were giving the songs a little "Austin Powers" kick before "behave" became a household word. In place of the guitars sounds were: "Do do daaaaaaaah"'s/ "Do do do do doooooooo"'s JMDL legend has it that Joni heard through FOJ about Michael Yarborough and others singing "Free Man" as Dylan might, so siquomd stole their idea and used it on tour. Sherelle Smith we needed you at Ashara's to wow us with your AnitaBaker voice applied to Joni's songs. Marsha your Dollyshit from Dollywood was sorely missed at this year's raffle. Mendi, "Dreamland" wasn't the same without you on congas. PaulI, I was all up for your "Edith and the Kingpin" choral operetta and I tried to pull it off again this year, but there wasn't enough time. Doug Wolfebite Stapleton we needed your "Bobby McFerrin" trumpet sounds when singing "Centerpiece." And David Wright, can you believe that this past weekend we didn't even get to "Shadows and Light" and "River?" (I know I still owe you a tape...Im so sorry.) Bob Hannah, well, no party is the same without our Kingpin on his VG 8..... There's a lot of people I hadn't mentioned but I missed seeing you too, -Julie Jonifest 99: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/jfne9909.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:28:57 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Fundraiser update!!!! FINALLY, finally, I have been able to dig out from under and total all the checks that I have received so far for the fundraiser for Wally. The Grand Total so far.....(drum roll, please.....) is $2908.99, which represents 80 listers, which is about 14% of the JMDL community!!!!!!! I still have over $200 in pledges still to come in, so we have gone over the $3,000 mark. I "know" this money is so greatly appreciated by Wally, and is sorely needed to keep up the web page, and help with his expenses. All I can say is....WOW!!!!!!!!!! We are INCREDIBLE!!!!! We are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!! We are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! Thank you all for your VERY generous contributions and support! Yesterday, I mailed out the first batch of raffle items to the winners that weren't at Jonifest, and I will get to the others soon, I promise. If you didn't win something, I'm sorry. :-( But...if you come to Jonifest next year, you will have an even better chance of winning more giveaways! ;-) On another note.....Wally had a fundraiser quite a while ago, offering a beautiful booklet of "A Tape of You" which accompanies Tape Tree #4. I have offered to take over this project for him, to try to ease some of the burdens he has to deal with right now, and I am offering this booklet on Wally's behalf for a minimum donation to Wally of $5. Of course, you can always send more if you can. As before, the check can be made payable to Wally Breese, and sent to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Please include where the booklet can be sent, and your e-mail address. Wally's description of this booklet: "The tribute tape booklet has a full-color, glossy cover designed by Jim Johanson and myself and includes a beautiful photograph of Joni taken by Leslie Mixon. Inside are 24 pages which, along with a few lovely and appropriate drawings, contain 34 paragraphs, one from each participant about the particular JM song they contributed to the tapes. This is the same booklet which Joni held in her hands and liked so much that she sent a second set to her mother for archiving. This version will be slightly expanded by submissions from the 2 or 3 people who missed the first print deadline." You can view the booklet cover at: Tribute tape booklet That's it for now! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:02:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: What A Country! (NJC) I strongly disagree with you. This story is about child abuse. It is clear cut. Whether or not the child was 'willing', it was up to the adult to decline. So many men who have sex with children, mainly their fasthers, blame the child-say the child was flirtatious and willing. This is bollocks. It is always up to the adult to say no. The power differential is just one reason why it is abusive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:03:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Bob's lying! So next week? Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Catman asks: > > <> > > uhhhhh.........when you become an ordained priest, I'll come to your > ordination! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Son Volt, "Ten Second News" (from Trace, definitely one of my > "Essential records of the 90's" picks!) - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:15:59 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: High school popular choices - NJC >Have had Ani DeFranco ("Not a pretty girl"), Billie Holiday, >Cantonese >pop, >formulaic Mariah Carey but chosen because the student adores the >Willy >Wonka theme that she incorporates ("I still believe" - it's a duet >with >some rapper or other), Dr John, early REM, a Cuban song, Goo Goo >Dolls >("Iris", of course - they all melt at this one!), Carole King and >Metallica. Not too bad - we have MTV (cable) and one commercial radio >station here so it's not like they have the world of aural riches to > >choose I would say that's a pretty eclectic group, especially considering these kids' youth. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:22:38 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Soundtracks (sjc) Bad Filcks spawning some fine Audio Picks I'll start off with a soundtrack to a pretty bad movie (yawn) that has a GREAT song on it, as well as some other good songs: "Practical Magic" (Sandra Bullock, Nicole Kidman) includes Joni's A Case Of You, Nick Drake/Black Eyed Dog, Bran Van 3000 (hip band out of Canada), Harry Nilsson's Coconut and some new Sheryl Crow-produced Stevie Nicks songs (well, new master of the song Crystal) "The Matrix" (Keanu Reeves) includes some primo techno music, if you like that kind of thing (and I do) but I think it is a poor excuse for a movie meant *solely* to rake in the bucks. "Batman and Robin" (George Clooney, Aaaaahnold as Mr. Freeze) - probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen but the soundtrack contains a great R.E.M. track called Revolution, Foolish Games, the only Jewel song that I like, plus some other worth-while tracks from Me'shell Ndegeocello and Soul Coughing. "The Bodyguard" - I apologize if anyone likes Kevin Costner but I find him unbearably boring. This film was made...why?? Oh, yeah, Whitney, Whitney and more Whitney; would be more tolerable if the radio stations, elevators, super markets, etc., etc., didn't play I Will Always Love You billions of times. Also includes a great Joe Cocker/Sass Jordan gem called Trust In Me, Even If My Heart Would Break with Kenny G & Aaron Neville, Lisa Stansfield & a surprisingly fine version of (What's so Funny `Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding done by Curtis Stigers. "The Pallbearer" - (David Schwimmer, Gwyneth Paltrow) OUCH! Bad choice Gwyneth but luckily it didn't hurt her chances at last year's Oscars. Soundtrack is fantastic: Al Green/Love Is A Beautiful Thing, Les McCann & Eddie Harris/You Got It In Your Soulness, Stan Getz & Luiz Bonfa/Sambolero. Curtis Mayfield, Herbie Hancock, Django Reinhardt and Richie Havens are included as well as a few compositions from Stewart Copeland. Can't get enough of this soundtrack. "Striptease" - (Demi Moore) Maybe I just didn't sympathize with the mommy-strips-down-to-her-skivvies-to-support-family theme...=) Soundtrack has a couple of clunkers (Billy Ocean/Get Outta My Dreams, Get Into My Car, Chynna Phillips/I Live For You) but the rest of it is just slammin'. Strange mix but slammin'. Includes Spencer Davis/Gimme Some Lovin', Blondie/Tide Is High, Soul Survivors/Expressway to You Heart (I love that one!!!!), Prince/I Was Your Girlfriend, Eurythmics/Sweet Dreams... & Dean Martin/Return To Me "Graffiti Bridge" - (Prince) This film has a few okay scenes but for the most part it was a stinker. The music by the artist is creative and energetic, as always. A personal favorite that may not suit everyone's tastes. That's all for now. I try not to see too many movies I know will be flops. I can't honestly admit to some of the others I could have included based on the soundtrack alone. Any more soundtracks that have Joni songs on them? Janene "two thumbs down" Otten np: soundtrack: The End of Violence ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #393 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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