From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #390 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 390 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Jonifest Magic ["Kakki" ] Part 1: On mustaches and faces ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jonifest Magic [MGVal@aol.com] Converting the young ["Janet Field" ] Re: Converting the young [MGVal@aol.com] Re: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) ["P. Henry" ] Re: The musical taste of kids these days [MDESTE1@aol.com] Judee Sill (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) ["P. Henry" ] marcel's comment [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) [Anne Rickaby ] Re: "Most" Use of Force Banned ... (NJC) [Heather Galli ] Fave bass albums (SJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: The musical taste of kids these days ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni New LP News! [Les Irvin ] "Israeli High Court Bans Most Use of Force inInterrogations" NJC ["Cather] The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! ["Catherine McKay" ] Kids' songs, NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Silk stockings - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] JoniFest ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: The musical taste of kids these days (now NJC) [Don Rowe ] What A Country! (NJC) [Don Rowe ] re: Ashara's ["Ray & Cathy" ] Re: Kids' songs, NJC [Don Rowe ] RE: What A Country! (NJC) [Bounced Message ] NJC Re: Joni New LP News! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Chocolate (njc?) [Janene Otten ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:15:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Jonifest Magic Because the party never ends until a few days later for people like Mr. Paz and myself, I have just arrived home and finished reading the Fest posts ;-D It is never easy to put it all into words, but many of you have described very eloquently the impressions, feelings and emotional high that characterizes these truly magical gatherings of friends and soulmates of spirit. I'm very blissful from our incredeible time but the pang of missing you all is already setting in, too. I must thank Ashara for her generosity and that Leo courage to take this on once again! It is just a marvel to me. Thank you endlessly for doing so much to offering up your beautiful home, time and caring for this event. (The "lost" gold ball earring is mine and was originally lost in the backyard - somehow your angels carried it into the house where you found it!) It was so wonderful to see Maggie, Chuck, Katie, Ric and Heather again - you guys are so great and such stellar human beings. Thank you for your sweetness. One of my main motivations for wanting to travel to the Jonifests is the chance to reunite with so many old friends and also the thrill of meeting up real time with those who I've not yet met. I get my hug fix with my dear buddies Patrick, Julie, Mark, Terry, Kenny, Pearl and get to finally connect with everyone else who I've wanted to meet for so long. I'm still too high to be in anyway eloquent but did want to ramble a bit impressionistic-ly of the reverie of images repeating in my head. I forced Mr. Paz to stop for awhile in Maine yesterday so I could run all my film through one-hour photo because I missed everyone already and had to have your images before me right away. I can't scan and send them right away but will snail mail some to Les. - Everytime I saw Les I kept thinking how none of this would have ever happened without him. It is amazing to think that his original concept and creation has evolved into so much more than anyone could ever imagine. - - Walking into Ashara's backyard Saturday afternoon, hearing the beautiful music and seeing this huge sea of jmdl'ers all with beatific smiles on their faces - hugging all my long lost brothers and sisters as Mr. Gross proffered endless rounds of Paz shrimpies. Dreamland, indeed. - - Meeting new people like the very kind, fascinating and classy John Van Tiel who serenaded me with beautiful flamenco guitar and proffered endless sizes and shapes of top-drawer cigars and chocolates. - - Being totally blown away by Catgirl's gorgeous singing voice - Wow!! - - So happy to see our sweet Marian and experiencing her interpretation of Joni's music. How many times so many expressed over the weekend "She does that one even better than Joni!" Thank you so much Marian, for making the trek once again and joining us at Atty May's. - - Finally meeting the very delightful Roberto, who I'd always imagined as somewhat conservative but who is really a magic elf who certainly earns a Kakki award for party stamina ;-D - - Missing Evian, but getting to laugh myself to tears with his submission of the absolutely hysterical Top Ten lists so perfectly read by our peerless emcee Bob. - - Hanging at the Super 8 Motel (which, in spite of the moniker, was surprisingly a very nice colonial-style inn) with Penny and Gina. I'm so glad they decided to come to the Fest at the last minute. Thanks Penny for being a trouper caravaning and hanging with us till we closed it down at Atty Mays. - - Passing through the kitchen very late Saturday night (Sunday morning) to see Julie dressing up the sleeping dog Pippin in a Siquomb T-shirt and posing him with a surrounding arrangement of Joni items. - - Finally meeting fun and sweet Laura and Jody from Chicago. Laura, the Queen Supreme of the Deal should have been my mother's daughter and Jody also wins a Kakki party stamina certificate for hanging cheerfully on crutches till the wee hours of the morning. I treasure our "Blues Brothers" photo with Wally K and Roberto outside Atty Mays! - - Watching Atty May in a complete trance with tears in her eyes at Michael's performance of Hejira - - So glad I let Brian and MG take that blackmail photo of me holding up the gallon bottle of Tangueray Sunday afternoon. I swear it looks exactly like one of those typical British humour Tangueray ads with me smiling ethereally and Les standing with a very dignified and proper frown behind me! *(The car attendants at Hertz Rent A Car were the happy recipients of the three remaining Tangueray, Bombay and Gordon's bottles this morning, by the way). - - And always, the music, non-stop. To hear all you singing and playing. So grateful for all the efforts of those who work so devotedly at learning the music, hauling the guitars, equipment, wires, mics and songbooks. It's late and I'm already turning back into a pumpkin. Thank you all so much for everything - love you guys! Kakki NP: Bryan Thomas - Radio Plastic Jennifer on the 3rd replay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 05:53:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Part 1: On mustaches and faces I've been waiting for the post-Jonifest blues to wear off to sit down and write a few lines about our weekend at Ashara's. Well, that may never happen, so I'll sit and write now. I arrived at Ashara's, after three days of moveable feasts in New York City, Saturday noon. I was met at the airport by gloriously moustachioed Jim, a most distracting sight. On the rare occasions that I managed to look away from Jim's mustache, I noticed by the aspect of the houses and the stone commemorating the death of a few witches at the stake that I was in New England at long last! I could never have imagined, though, that the real feast of feasts was just about to begin. In no time, I was saying hello to a flurry of faces that I was desperately trying to match to names that were escaping my mind as soon as I heard them. If you're seeking the most mind-boggling experience this side of hallucinogens, try the first few minutes at a Jonifest. Folks were already having lunch out in the fragrant, breezy garden in the back. Until quite some time later I went on losing track of who was who -- despite the beautiful name tags that we all wore but that I for some reason kept forgetting to look at. I knew only that sometime during those few minutes I met dear, dear Mary Grace, whom I couldn't refrain from hugging continually; Michael Paz, whom I immediately felt like asking if I could be his best friend; Ashara, warm and welcoming and gorgeous in her Mother Earth jewelry; Marian, whom I've loved passionately ever since I can remember; Brian Gross, Wotan-voiced and wolf-eyed; Bob, a cross between Robert De Niro and James Caan, saying, "I have something for you, Wally"; Mark from Seattle, mysterious and breathtakingly beautiful; folks, folks and more folks [don't worry, I got to know who you were eventually -- these are just the first few minutes]; and Roberto, about whom I may write a song someday. Gradually, I could focus enough to take in Terry, Gina, Bryan, KENNY!, PATRICK!, HEATHER!, CHUCK! Fearing imminent brain damage, I took time out to drink some ginger ale and try to begin assimilating the experience. People kept coming in and out of sight; Pearl and husband Steve, John Van Tiel, Bern, Kate, Anne, famous Kakki, the one and only JULIE!!!, and yes, that guy in the denim shorts is ... LES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Later, I would meet sweet, dear pal Jody and more and more jmdlers. And more adventures than I could fathom at that point too ... Hmmm, I wonder if you would like to know more... Wally\K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:42:19 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Jonifest at Ashara's Dear Jonifesters, lots of good Jonivibes coming through the wires and popping up on my computer screen ... thank you so much for enabling us to participate. I don't have time at the moment to read all your wonderful reports, so it's especially nice to have so many pictures to look at! I'm organizing a conference and learning a lot about hosting and catering for a bunch of diverse people -- I'd be more than happy to make this experience available for holding a Jonifest-Europe in a (hopefully) not too distant future. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:58:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Magic In a message dated 9/8/99 1:46:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << So glad I let Brian and MG take that blackmail photo of me holding up the gallon bottle of Tangueray Sunday afternoon. I swear it looks exactly like one of those typical British humour Tangueray ads with me smiling ethereally and Les standing with a very dignified and proper frown behind me! A picture that we are all expecting to see up on the website soon! Right under the "MG caught napping" photo!!!! MG - up early because I had my nap.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:54:08 +0700 From: "Janet Field" Subject: Converting the young Catherine asked: <<...for a kid who listens to this kind of music, if you were going to introduce her properly to Joni Mitchell, what would you play first? >> I'm a couple of digests behind so hope this isn't a dead issue already. I teach music in school and know the syndrome you describe well! One song that has never failed me - whether with keyboards & guitars or a choral arrangement - is Circle Game. Kids can empathise with the words and the music is very accessible. I tried Chelsea Morning once and that went down well too. If kids have access to keyboards or music software/soundcards they can create their own rhythm track and maybe come up with a 'remix' all of their own! Obviously, making the music is going to be more engaging than just listening at that age but it might be worth a try. As for inroads from the hip-hop world (which I feel has scales of quality like every other music type), I've read some good suggestions already. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is also rich in possibilities and connections. This morning my 10th graders brought their own choice of songs (had to be 'good' songs) for seminars on analysis & critique. Be assured that those 12 year olds develop pretty diverse tastes and are delighted to share them if the climate is right! Janet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:22:58 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Converting the young In a message dated 9/8/99 4:08:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, janetf@bigpond.com.kh writes: << This morning my 10th graders brought their own choice of songs (had to be 'good' songs) for seminars on analysis & critique. Be assured that those 12 year olds develop pretty diverse tastes and are delighted to share them if the climate is right! >> I remember those high school daze! This was a project in 9th grade English back in 1973 and I chose Joni's "River." As the song came on with the "jingle bells" intro, everyone started to snicker that I was bringing in Christmas songs in the middle of October, but I was encouraged by Mr. Guinta who seemed to be appreciative of listening to something other than "Stairway to Heaven" or "Goodby Yellowbrick Road" for the umpteenth time. As I type this out and think about what I had to say about the song, it's interesting that it appealed to me back in '73 when I was 14 but at that age, I could not begin to fathom the full emotional scope of the song. When I look at it now that I'm 40, with my own memories of heartbreak and pain to call my very own, I know the song even better because of my own trips down the River. One of the best things about Joni's songs is that a lot of the upbeat and a lot of the pain themes work well with teenaged angst, but they are not superficial and as the listener continues to mature and experience, the songs seem to grow right along with you. Which makes me think that for converting the younger set, the Circle Game and Chelsea Morning and Night in the City sort of songs are a good start as people have pointed out. For the more mature, but not yet driving age, I see starting w/ something like "Court and Spark." So many of the songs have good beats and a lot of them have the emotional pitch that dovetails well w/ teenaged emotions, such as "Trouble Child." What kid HASN'T felt that: "they open and close you, they act like they know you, they don't know you.....?" MG - off to bake an onion tart and anticipating "Ma! The house stinks this morning!" from the rest of the gang..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:29:37 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) catherine wrote: < Just to be a total pain maybe because I'm having a hard time adjusting to being back at work after three weeks off, so I'm acting out my childishness, where my choices were, kick the cat, or send a negative e-mail - I've never liked Yes. No, I don't like Yes. Yes, I don't like Yes. Whatever. In particular John (or Jon?) Andersons's voice always annoyed the hell out of me. Just my opinion (of course!) You can flame me if you want. I'm a big girl - I can take it.> yes dear, you're a big girl... and brave too. ...and I'm a big boy and I have to tell you: you're not the only one who found the shrill choirgirl bleating of Yes rating right up there with fingernails on a chalkboard. pat NP: Summertime - JJ http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:48:38 +0700 From: "Janet Field" Subject: Re. Converting the young (NJC) I was talking about my 10th graders bringing their song choices to class and Chris asked: "But what did they bring? It'd be interesting to know just how diverse tastes are." Well, we just got started today and I will forget some, of course! The brief was popular song - we're studying structure. (And going onto lieder next week, just in case anyone out there is worried about the dumbing down of schools these days...I'm just sucking them in!). Have had Ani DeFranco ("Not a pretty girl"), Billie Holiday, Cantonese pop, formulaic Mariah Carey but chosen because the student adores the Willy Wonka theme that she incorporates ("I still believe" - it's a duet with some rapper or other), Dr John, early REM, a Cuban song, Goo Goo Dolls ("Iris", of course - they all melt at this one!), Carole King and Metallica. Not too bad - we have MTV (cable) and one commercial radio station here so it's not like they have the world of aural riches to choose from. Glad to get the opportunity to post again because I forgot to say before how much I have enjoyed reading the accounts of the Asharafest. Thanks for posting them, everyone. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:07:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days I agree with Bob. Kids today have very little regard for "music" and "melody". Although I will hasten to add that any "kid" will soon be into Joni when they start to have real relationships particularly with a serious boy or girl friend. Joni is about relationships between people and those songs of hers will hit their buttons at some point. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:14:29 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judee Sill (NJC) Does anyone on the list remember (and still really like) Judee Sill. She had a minor hit in the UK back in the early seventies with a song called 'Jesus Was a Crossmaker', a track produced by Graham Nash. She made a follow-up album, 'Heart Food' (from which Shawn Colvin covered 'There's a Ragged Road' on Cover Girl a while back), and is rumoured to have made a third unreleased album, 'Tulips from Amsterdam' before she died in mysterious circumstances (I've heard a couple of different sad stories but I've no desire to perpetuate any false myths). I just really love her music and lyrics and hate to think that these have been lost to the world. I bought her first 'Judee Sill' album back in 1971 and had been searching in vain for many years for 'Heart Food', which is very rare over here in the UK (saw one going for Sixty quid once but I just couldn't afford it). However, I was thrilled to stumble across a really scratchy old vinyl copy for a fiver recently (neither album has been reissued on CD). I recently cut both albums on to one CD-R (scratches and all) and joyfully play this whenever I'm in the mood, thinking I'm probably the only person in the world who likes this. Not so, it would appear. The BBC DJ, Bob Harris, who once had Judee on his 'Old Grey Whistle Test' TV programme back then, and is still one of the few consistently good DJs on British radio, plays 'Crossmaker' from time to time and I've noticed recently that Judee's name has started coming up regularly on his 'Whispers' bulletin board http://bob.networks.co.uk/chat/index.nclk So much so that one of the regular contributors has started a Judee Sill site at:- http://www.kneeling.force9.co.uk/judeesill.htm (which includes the lyrics to all the songs on the first album) and a message board at:- http://www.onelist.com/messages/JudeeSill If anyone out there in Joniland knows anyone who has scratch- free copies of 'Judee Sill or 'Heart Food' or even (Please God!) a copy of 'Tulips from Amsterdam', or just shares my enthusiasm, I would love to hear from you. PaulC "May you savor each word like a raspberry" Judee Sill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 05:54:04 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) Chris wrote: - --> ummm, yeah... come to think of it, Squire was pretty good... oh, what's the use... - --> pat NP: Walk Away - James Gang http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:09:11 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Ashara's Thanks to everyone for their renditions and pictures of the weekend at ashara's. Now I don't feel left out as much. I feel like I know each of you alot better than before, even though we haven't met yet. I know I'm still some faceless JMDL'er to all of you, though, so I MUST get to the next one! So when and where is it???? ;-) - -Jenny from CT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:19:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: marcel's comment marcel writes: <> Uh-oh, now I'm worried...According to the Book of Revelation, when the angel of the Seventh Seal blows upon the seventh golden trumpet and swings his seven candlesticks, Marcel will agree with Bob and the beginning of the Apocalypse will be ushered in... "Surely some revelation is at hand Surely it's the second coming And wrath has finally taken form For what is this rough beast Its hour come at last..." So maybe there IS some truth to this Y2K end of the world stuff! Ashara, I hope you realize that if the world does start to end, all JMDLer's will sojourn to Topsfield to spend the final days together...:~) PS: I forgot to mention in my report (can you believe I forgot to mention ANYTHING in my report?) about marcel calling in to Jonifest and that I had the pleasure of talking to him. Interesting footnote: He even SPEAKS in lower case! :~) Bob NP: "Marcie" from Second Fret, 10-12-67 (TT #3) -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:46:57 -0400 From: Anne Rickaby Subject: RE: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) Hi Catherine and Pat. I actually really like Yes (well, Fragile & close to the Edge), but I understand not liking Jon Anderson's voice. He does something you're not supposed to do - he sings 'through' his throat. (Hard to describe...) But he doesn't use his lungs enough, so you may actually be sensing how physically difficult (and actually uncomfortable) it is to sing like that. It helps if you thing of his voice as another instrument. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:57:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC For The Benefit of Mr. Gross Mary Grace aka Wrangler Jane says of Brian Gross: <> Allow me to also sing the praises of my JMDL brother a little. Way back when, when Brian found out that I had NONE of the Tape Trees, he coordinated with me to get me ALL of the tapes, which at the time was TT 1-7. It was a lot of work for Brian and I have had countless hours of pleasure enjoying them and sharing them since (I'm enjoying TT #3 now!). He put the flame in this eskimo concerning Joni's unreleased stuff and now with the help of others out there I'm accumulating quite a collection! Any and all of you out there who I've made Tape Tree tapes for, I couldn't have done them without the initial generosity of the "Wolf that lives in Deptford"... Further, when I was stationed in Philly this summer, Brian took time out of his VERY BUSY schedule to meet me on lots of occassions for dinner and hanging out. Brian's got a real job, not like me where I just come into work and post all day long, so his time is a rare commodity. Many was the time I could see how weary Brian was in the middle of the week, heck, once he fell asleep in the hotel lobby waiting for me, but he was always there for me - a mark of a true friend!! I only wish there were 144 more just like him...get it? A GROSS!? (Of course, Catgirl also has given me tons of Joni music and even had me in her home for dinner and Joni sinalong but I'll gush about her in another post - I don't want my boyhood crush to appear too obvious! ) Bob NP: The Smithereens, "Afternoon Tea" (TT3 ended before I was done composing) -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:12:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Converting the young Janet said: <> Janet, your comment made me think of something else that would be fun with young kids, and that would doing "Dreamland" like we did it at the fest - with lots of fun percussion instruments, drums, shakers, kazoos, etc. Even the words are full of images that kids can picture and are fun too: "Donkey vendors slicing coconut" "Walter Raleigh & Chris Columbus come marching out of the waves" "Mary in a feather hula hoop" Unfortunately, it may be controversial in a school setting because of the "Marlboro" reference, but it sure was fun doing it on Ashara's deck! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:43:56 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: IF there's a next year. Ashara, After reading all of the messages about all of the fun, good times, comraderie, stories, music, friendship, fellowship, and seeing the pictures, I would like to place a reservation for next years' event (IF there is one) for my wife and me. When I ordered the caramel popcorn for delivery to your house, the popcorn folks goofed up my credit card number. They called my house to get a good number so that they could complete the order. Well, my wife wanted to know who I was sending caramel popcorn to, and who was "Sharon" in Massachusetts. After the swelling went down ( ;-O ), I explained to her about the event, and how you all helped me get her the Joni lithograph, and get through the MS disgnosis times. I still have trouble sometimes talking about it, but typing is much easier. You all have been a great big shoulder for me to lean on, and I wanted to "repay" the debt in some little manner, so I offered to send popcorn up your way. Then I screwed that up too. Anyway, she said that it sounded like a great time, when I mentioned that we coud arrange to go next year (assuming there is one). So, if there is to be one, can we come? Loren.... PS....with Hurricane Dennis hitting the eastern shore of Maryland this past weekend, I don't know if the popcorn got out in time, but it should be on the way. Next year, I'll bring it with me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:28:09 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: "Most" Use of Force Banned ... (NJC) >Okay, so just because I'm feeling a little perverse, >I'm wondering what's "in" and what's "out" ... > >Chinese water torture -- IN >Lit bamboo shoots under the fingernails -- OUT >The rack -- IN >Car battery genital electroshock -- OUT >"McArthur Park" tape loop played at high volume -- IN >Brass knuckles -- IN (except blows below the belt -- >those are OUT) >Leg breaking (right leg) -- OUT >Leg breaking (left leg) -- IN >Arm twisting -- (see leg breaking) > Gosh ... I almost started dancing! LOL, Don! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:35:46 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Fave bass albums (SJC) I just picked up the September issue of "Bassist" today, and one of the items was Nick Quinn, the bass player from Supergrass, (do you have them in the USA?) listing his top three bass albums. They were:- 1) The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus (1977) For "sheer f***ing style and agression" 2) Can - Eye Bamyas (1972) For "...very avant garde bass, some very odd sounds and stuff." And :) 3) Joni Mitchell - Shadows and Light (1980) "And, er, I can't think of anther... OK, without getting musu, Jaco Pastorius- that's just outrageous bass playing. When I was 15 I was quite a Joni Mitchell fan and I managed to get hold of this live album, a double live album, and some of the bass playing on that is bordering on not being bass playing at all. He shows you what you can actually do on bass. In a lot of ways it's not to aspire to, 'cos if you go that route then you're compromising songs, really. You've got to fit in with the other musicians and it can get pretty self-indulgent when you're off on that one. But just for pure listening to bass, that's the one to go for." Given that S&L came at Joni's most jazzy period, I think his comments are a little unfair: most of the time Jaco fit in pretty well with what the rest of the band were doing. Perhaps Mr. Quinn isn't that keen on Jazz. Who knows, or, for that matter, cares. Regards, - --Chris NP: Lots of trashy UK/euro pop chart music, while I pack for my little trip to Chicago. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:05:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days Well, didn't your parents also think you had no taste? After the soda-pop music they're listening to now they will, one would hope, move on to something with "deeper meaning" - although not necessarily to our taste. My mother never did get Joni Mitchell, but my Dad was [almost] always open to new things. One of my mother's passive-agressive, and only occasionally amusing, ways of conveying her disapproval of anything (i.e., anything that wasn't from an Anglo- or Irish-Catholic background - or as my Italian-Canadian brother-in-law would say - "white"!) was to deliberately mispronounce or screw up names. For example, in high school, my best friend's surname was Mezzavilla. My mother would always call her Matchabelli. And even though Mitchell is about as "white" a name as you could get, my mother always called her Joni James. For God's sake, mama. Wasn't there some singer by the name of Joni James at some point during the '60's or '70's? I have an image of a Joey Hetherington type, the kind of chick lounge-singer with bleached-blonde hair. Whatever. As for the kids getting into relationships, God help us! I'm not ready, so they better not be! My daugher at 12 still hates boys (and at that age, I don't blame her!) but my son, just gone 9, already knows who he's going to marry, but has a couple on the backburner just in case his true love, Robin, turns him down. I hasten to add that he has hardly even spoken to his goddess, much less popped the question, but every time he talks about her, his lovely eyes light up. The kid never ceases to amaze me. >From: MDESTE1@aol.com >To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com, cateri@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:07:06 EDT > >I agree with Bob. Kids today have very little regard for "music" and >"melody". Although I will hasten to add that any "kid" will soon be into >Joni >when they start to have real relationships particularly with a serious boy >or >girl friend. Joni is about relationships between people and those songs of >hers will hit their buttons at some point. marcel deste. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:10:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Bob, show thyself I'm with you, John! If there's one person I'd really like to know what he looks like (I recognize that was really bad English, but I can't think of the proper way to say that just now!) it's Bob Muller of Fluoride (or whatever the hell the rest of that address is!) Not that you're ever going to catch my ugly mug anywhere! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:22:41 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni New LP News! From: "Tortorici, Frank" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:26:16 -0400 From today's SonicNet/Addicted to Noise!!! Joni Mitchell Recording Vocals In L.A. Veteran singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell began recording vocal tracks in Los Angeles last week for her next album, tentatively titled Both Sides Now. Expected in early 2000, the LP includes Mitchell's favorite standards as well as re-recorded versions of her own songs, including "Both Sides Now" and "A Case of You." Mitchell has been invited to debut the album with a full orchestra at La Scala, the birthplace of opera, in Milan, Italy. Meanwhile, The Joni Mitchell Tribute Album, featuring Chaka Khan, Elvis Costello, Björk and Janet Jackson performing their favorite Joni Mitchell songs, will hit stores late this year. [Wed., Sep 8, 1999 12:22 AM EDT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:30:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: "Israeli High Court Bans Most Use of Force inInterrogations" NJC Re: "Israeli High Court Bans Most Use of Force in Interrogations" I gotta presume they're saying it's OK to use force, as long as it doesn't leave any visible bruises or marks on the body. Internal injuries are probably fine as long as you can't see anything that might present a photo op for Amnesty International. Photos of people with no bruises or scars just doesn't have that same, I dunno. Emotional and mental abuse are just hunky-dory; stun guns and any kind of electro-shock, probably OK, as long as you can't see any burn marks; bashing people in the gut with bags of oranges to the beat of Tiny Tim singing "Tiptoe through the tulips" is border-line. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:43:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! When I first heard about the Snake Room, I thought that maybe Ashara's place was actually Graceland and am so glad we've been enlightened on that. Colin, you'd love this... NOT! A month or so ago, they had a streetfair in my neighbourhood that all the local businesstypes were sponsoring. There was a travelling reptile show, which included a humungous PYTHON, with which you could have your picture taken for $5. My son and his best friend just had to have a picture with the snake, so I forked out five bucks and got a polaroid of Matthew and Stephen and THE BIG SNAKE. I was chatting with the reptile guy and asked him, "how much do those things weigh anyway?" and he asked me if I would like to try it. So I got to hold the python, and man, are those suckers heavy! I used to be afraid of snakes (even now, they're not one of my favourite things), but after I touched this python, and then got to hold it, it wasn't bad at all. They're not scaly - they have nice smooth skins, like leather. Unfortunately, I didn't have another 5 on me, so I didn't get my picture with it, and anyway, have sworn not to have another picture taken until I've lost 50 pounds (in other words, it'll never happen!) Hope I haven't grossed you out too much, but snakes are actually kind of cool, an a weird sort of way. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:55:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Kids' songs, NJC Well, I confess to being Canadian, but I don't know what this guy's talking about either. Maybe it's a west coast kind of thing. Or maybe he's just weird. Or trying to find lines that rhyme and scan properly. To me, palm fronds are just palm fronds. There could be some hidden drug thing in there, you never know, just like Puff the Magic Dragon;) Depending on the age of the kids, if you're looking for kids' artists or music to buy, there's Raffi, Jack Grunsky, Fred Penner and Eric Nagler that I know of. They're all Canadian - there are probably others in the US (actually, I think Eric Nagler is a VietNam draft dodger, so he's actually from the US to begin with.) Raffi, Jack and Fred tend to the "nice" kind of music, whereas Eric tends to get a little gross at times, but kids' humour gross (you know, farting and boogers and so on) and my kids always got a good laugh at some of his songs. They've all got nice voices and as an adult, you can tolerate them as well (in other words, it's not like listening to Barney all day). Most of these guys started out as folkies in the '60's and '70s, then went into kids' music, so you get a lot of the old folk songs mixed in with some newer stuff. There's also Sharon, Lois and Bram - a lot of kids like them, but they can be annoying sometimes. Of the three, Bram IMO has the best voice - the two women can be kinda shrill, although they do some find harmonies sometimes. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:58:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Silk stockings - NJC So, Colin, when you say "I know her husband," are we talking "know" in the biblical sense? ;) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:17:22 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: JoniFest Aww, jeez, I really wish I could have made it. It sounded like so much fun! I am amazed at the fact you can pull this off - getting a bunch of basically strangers to show up from all over the world, putting them up in your house, feeding them and organising the whole thing. I get totally stressed out if I even have my parents over for dinner, (and they're not difficult people!) and the very thought of organising a birthday party for one of my kids means I have to put a brown paper bag over my head and practice deep breathing exercises, so I really have to hand it to people like you. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days (now NJC) > but has a couple on the backburner just in > case his true love, Robin, > turns him down. I hasten to add that he has hardly > even spoken to his > goddess, much less popped the question, but every > time he talks about her, > his lovely eyes light up. The kid never ceases to > amaze me. > Oh brother, does this ever take me back. Seventh grade biology class in the Texas Public Schools, in the day when corporal punishment was every bit as common as pop quizzes, and taking "swats" from Mr. Richardson's paddle over the love of Kathy Sparr -- with whom I was rather shamelessly flirting. Yep, we all had it pretty bad at one point or another! ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:25:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Re: Bob, show thyself Catherine, fantasizing of a cross between Fabio & Brad Pitt says: <> OK, I'll try again to send a picture to the JMDL Gallery. But I warn you, don't expect much! I learned early on that I was never gonna win anybody over with my looks so I've spent years attempting to hone my sense of humor to a sharp edge... Bob NP: The Smiths, "The Boy With the Thorn in His Side" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:31:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni New LP News! - --0__=m0YV0bdKMZJPegRisKijl1WtPa4LjDJHmJ8z1E51crGZR19PjhOuzMZf Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The Man Himself shared: <> Les, you need to do some digging and tell us who all = is on this thing! I'm dying to know! Surely if this proj= ect is safely in the can, we can get a track listing... This looks like a job for......SUPER LES! :~D Bob, music (and especially tribute album) slut = - --0__=m0YV0bdKMZJPegRisKijl1WtPa4LjDJHmJ8z1E51crGZR19PjhOuzMZf-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:01:36 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni New LP News! At 11:31 AM 9/8/1999 , you wrote: >Les, you need to do some digging and tell us who all is >on this thing! I'm dying to know! Surely if this project >is safely in the can, we can get a track listing... Actually, it was Frank Tortorici that sent this message. It bounced and I sent it through under the wrong cover. So, this looks like a job for SUPER FRANK! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: What A Country! (NJC) In this great melting pot of contradiction these United States have truly become, consider briefly the following item: The most recent film version of Nabokov's "Lolita" was deemed "pornographic" and kept from wide commercial release in theatres -- but Brittney Spears "Baby One More Time" is nominated for Best Music Video ... Laughing and crying you know it's the same release ... Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:42:41 -0700 From: "Ray & Cathy" Subject: re: Ashara's I couldn't put it any better, Jennifer. Thank you, everyone, for thinking of us and keeping us posted. My husband and I watched "Celebration at Big Sur" saturday morning...oh, what a treat that was! Then we hiked up to a lookout peak where its like you're on the edge of the world..brilliant blue sky and ocean as far as the eye can see..grazing elk, seagulls circling endlessly. Then, on the next mountain 2 hikers popped into view, then "retreated" as my husband said. Without even thinking, I said, "Like troops, to fall on other fields & streets..." and he laughed so hard, saying..."She's ON!!!!" (he's used to these spontaneous lyric outbursts) Then passing some poppies, I burst out with "Poppy poison....poppy tourniquet", but he hasn't heard HOSL enouph, so he suddenly became concerned that I'd been bitten by something........it was too funny! We Joniphiles certainly put our partners through the paces sometimes...LOL Have a great day, all..... Cathy in Oregon - -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer L. Nodine To: joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:18 AM Subject: Ashara's >Thanks to everyone for their renditions and pictures of the weekend at >ashara's. Now I don't feel left out as much. I feel like I know each >of you alot better than before, even though we haven't met yet. I know >I'm still some faceless JMDL'er to all of you, though, so I MUST get to >the next one! So when and where is it???? ;-) >-Jenny from CT > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Kids' songs, NJC I don't know ... I grew up on some pretty salacious stuff ... "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass (salacious album cover anyhow), The Clancy Brothers Live At Carnegie Hall, Elvis, Three Dog Night, Peter, Paul and Mary, Arlo Guthrie, Pete Seger, Janis Joplin, and I also remember some Canadienne songbird's first album, the name of which escapes me at the moment ... ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:32:41 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: What A Country! (NJC) From: Chris Marshall Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:18:10 +0100 On Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:05 PM, Don Rowe [SMTP:dgrowe227@yahoo.com] wrote: > In this great melting pot of contradiction these > United States have truly become, consider briefly the > following item: > > The most recent film version of Nabokov's "Lolita" was > deemed "pornographic" and kept from wide commercial > release in theatres -- but Brittney Spears "Baby One > More Time" is nominated for Best Music Video ... What's more "amusing" is that violence is pretty much OK, but people being really nice to each other (i.e. sex) is much less so. (I haven't seen Lolita, so can't specifically comment on that particular film.) Anyway, Britney's video for "Sometimes" is, IMHO, nearer the knuckle, with her going all gooey-eyed over some mid-late 20's hunk. Or am I missing something? :) - --Chris (last Joni, er, NJC post before Chicago. Probably.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:39:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni New LP News! <> I saw that (Frank Tortorici) on the original message & mistakenly thought it was some kind of hot-dog & Pasta dish! :~) Frank, if you're out there and can get the goods on the tribute album, you will forever be known as SUPER FRANK! And if you come to the next Jonifest, I'll have Bern the chef cook you up a big bowl of Frank Tortorici! :~) Bob Muller, who come to think of it has kind of a pasta-ish last name himself... NP: Stan Ridgway, "I Wanna Be A Boss" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:11:08 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Chocolate (njc?) All of this talk of chocolate has got me jonesing for a Hershey's kiss. A friend just sent this to me and so it is most appropriate for the list at this time: THE RULES OF CHOCOLATE * If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. * Chocolate covered raisins, cherries, orange slices & strawberries all count as fruit, so eat as many as you want. * The problem: How to get 2 pounds of chocolate home from the store in hot car. The solution: Eat it in the parking lot. * Diet tip: Eat a chocolate bar before each meal. It'll take the edge off your appetite and you'll eat less. * A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake of calories in one place. Isn't that handy? * If you can't eat all your chocolate, it will keep in the freezer. * But if you can't eat all your chocolate, what's wrong with you? * If calories are an issue, store your chocolate on top of the fridge. Calories are afraid of heights, and they will jump out of the chocolate to protect themselves. * If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that a balanced diet? Don't they actually counteract each other? * Money talks. Chocolate sings. * Chocolate has many preservatives. Preservatives make you look younger. * Q. Why is there no such organization as Chocoholics Anonymous? A. Because no one wants to quit. * If not for chocolate, there would be no need for control top pantyhose. An entire garment industry would be devastated. * Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do today. That way, at least you'll get one thing done. hee hee xoxo Janene np: Nick Drake - Things Behind the Sun ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #390 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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