From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #383 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, September 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 383 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- have a great time ... [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: new album ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Re: Nina Simone ["P. Henry" ] Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: have a great time ... ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: have a great time ... [Ginamu@aol.com] A couple of questions - definitely NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: A couple of questions - definitely NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Cruelty Towards Others [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Greetings! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) ["Travis Moser" ] Re: Ashara's weekend bash [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Ashara's weekend bash (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni News ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Kevin back from the Greek Islands ["Hejira" ] Re: A couple of questions - definitely NJC [Randy Remote Subject: Re: new album I AM SO GOING TO EXPLODE-with joy of course!!! Joni is rerecording "A Case Of You" -my personal fave of the 'early' stuff. I am going to die slowly until the new album comes out. At least the tribute is going to tide me over. And if they come out at the same time, I will return to life quickly, listen to the albums and die happily in my sleep listening to the new "Both Sides, Now". Back to sleep now.... - -J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 02:07:50 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Nina Simone julius jumped in the deep end: " Just wanted to introduce myself to the list, which I have thoroughly enjoyed for the past few months. I am 24 yr, living in Toronto and have been a diehard Ms. Mitchell addict for a year or so... Growing up in Canada, where Joni helped define the musical airwaves (due obviously to her talent, but nevertheless aided by Canadian Content musical regulations) I had a great deal of exposure to her better known hits....however when I heard "A Case of You" played a year ago, I did not fully realize the torrent of feelings and curiousity, that were ignited by her opening dulcimer notes. Consequently, I have diligently and delightfully paced through her canon and am currently revelling in the poetic reverberations of Hejira, without only one non-sequential detour through NRH on account of "Come In From the Cold", which is especially poignant." *wondering how this post ever got thought of as non-Joni...* an interesting and beautiful approach to her art. glad you decided to join in, regardless of the question. Joni Mitchell's better on her worst day (track) than most are on their best! in some manner or form the listers here (and you) are alike in our sensibilities. some may not dig her style... for some reason we do! *S* " Perhaps, it is a less than fortuitous omen though, that my initial message will be to the board, as a respond to the Nina Simone query, rather than a straight Joni comment..." no... I can see the connection... there is a soulfulness that is difficult to put into words... a depth. Nina is a gorgeous place to come from. from; "Mark or Travis" Can anyone give me a little perspective on Nina "Simone? I'm intrigued but not sure I want to buy a lot more or her music." " Before listening to Joni, I was totally enraptured by the uncompromising nature and often gritty musical genius of Nina Simone (who incidentally appreciates being referred to as Dr. Simone). Owning some 15 of her albums and collections, the best introductory album to her oeuvre IMHO would be the Verve Jazz Masters edition simply called "Nina Simone". While it is usually wise to steer away from "Best Of" sets, The Verve compliation contains very helpful liner notes as well as a great sampling of her songs, some written by her...such as Mississippi Goddam is uproariously potent and threatening or Love Me or Leave Me (not written by her, but deliciously updated by her) which is a magical blend of Bach and the small band sound...the album is positively bewitching, even though it does not contain a better version of "My baby Just Cares for Me" and lacks her anthemic "Young Gifted and Black"...." thanks SO much for that guidance/nudge! what an album!!! no, you're right on... healthy doses of Joni and Nina will keep the heart and mind stoked. that album with MOA & S&L . I just finished listening to love me or leave me after most of MOA and it's got me floating so high I can't get traction! thanks again. *S* pat NP: Black Is The Color... Nina http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:16:46 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) Evian wrote: >Egads Bob, next >thing you know we will hear that you don't even own a copy of Thriller >or Rumours or Def Leppard's Hysteria Oh my God, I think I'm a slut (musical, of course)! I do own a copy of Rumours, and Hysteria (signed in silver ink by the lead guitarist - found it second hand for $2!). I don't have a copy of Thriller, but I can probably still qualify with the following: Abba - Arrival (the one where they're all in a helicopter wearing white jumpsuits) Beaches - Soundtrack Dire Straits - Love Over Gold Hootie & the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View / Fairweather Johnson Hanson - Middle of Nowhere (got to be honest, someone taped it for me as a joke!) Pretty Woman - Soundtrack Roxy Music - Avalon Starland Vocal Band - self-titled and many more too numerous (not to mention slightly embarassing) to mention! I do actually like all of these albums (bar the Hanson one) - as I've always said, there's no such thing as "bad" musical taste, just "different" musical taste, and boy, is mine different! But I still like Joni the best, so there's still hope, right?! RIGHT????!!!!!! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:19:22 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: have a great time ... Clark wrote: >Hey fellow Joni lovers - > >So sorry not to join you at Ashara's this weekend. But if you sing loud >enough, I am sure we can hear you in California. Have a great time for all >of those who can't come. Yeah, I'll be thinking of you guys too. Have a great time, and don't talk about us behind our backs! Sorry I couldn't make it, but at the rate I'm saving money, I'll be there in 2020, for sure! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:37:16 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: have a great time ... I told my boss (who is a fan of early Joni) that I was attending JoniFest this weekend and knowing hardly a thing about the list, etc, she replied: "Oh, I'm sure you'll have a great time! How can you go wrong with a whole group of Joni Mitchell fans!!" :} Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:38:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: A couple of questions - definitely NJC OK, forgive me for using up bandwidth on silly questions like these, but I'm curious. Firstly, there seems to be a lot of humour associated with the phrase "I'm going to Disneyland!!!" Usually preceded by someone saying "What are you going to do now?" It's cropped up on a few sitcoms recently (I don't remember the context) but it can't be coincidental - and it always gets a big laugh. Can someone please enlighten me? Sorry if it's really obvious, and I'm being really naive! My second question is: Is there always so much fuss whenever Bill Clinton goes anywhere? We've got the APEC conference here in Auckland next weekend, and they're closing all the roads in the city, and the motorways. My work building is on one of the streets they're closing, and we've basically been told to take leave, work at home, or work in one of the regional offices for three days, but don't come into Head Office. They've had special police squads checking the roof of every building around the main centre, etc., etc., etc. He has also expressed an interest in playing golf in Queenstown, and there was an article in the paper today saying that if he does, they're going to ask everyone living next to the golf course to get out of their houses for the day, which has not gone down well with the locals! I know he (arguably) holds the most powerful job in the world, but is it always like this? And if so, how does he stand it?! There's something like 1000 people accompanying him here, just for a two-three day conference. Makes us little Kiwis realise how insignificant we are in the general scheme of things. Our Prime Minister could drive her own car to the dairy (sorry, corner store, 7-11?) if she wanted, without an armed escort! Mind you, after some of her recent efforts in the press, I'd be advising her to stay at home, behind thick glass and locked doors! Sorry again for wasting space, but it's been a bit quiet lately! At least I might get some flames going! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:34:33 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Ashara's Hey all! I've been listening (reading) to all the hubbub about Ashara's this weekend and still have heard no mention as to where in the world she lives! I'm in Connecticut-am I anywhere close? Feeling silly for asking, Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:41:58 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A couple of questions - definitely NJC "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > OK, forgive me for using up bandwidth on silly questions like these, but I'm > curious. > > Firstly, there seems to be a lot of humour associated with the phrase "I'm > going to Disneyland!!!" Usually preceded by someone saying "What are you > going to do now?" It's a marketing hook for PR. Whenever there is a big sports event on television, such as the World Series or Super Bowl. An announcer asks the winner or winners the stupid question and they yell "We're going to Disneyworld." Of course, on Disney > > > My second question is: Is there always so much fuss whenever Bill Clinton > goes anywhere? We've got the APEC conference here in Auckland next weekend, > and they're closing all the roads in the city, and the motorways. I don't think there is much argument that he is the most powerful man in the world. If anything were to happen to him in a sudden manner the affect could be world-wide. So security measures are always extraordinary when he travels. Besides, he creates a lot of media interest. He's been anything but boring personally. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:44:25 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Need some help for Ashara's event All, My office moved last week and weekend, and I've lost all of my saved up e-mail and been off the wire for a while. Well, now I'm back and I see that Ashara's event is coming REAL soon, and I promised to send caramel popcorn to help feed everyone. Well, Ashara sent me her street address before, but it got clobbered in the move, so, if anyone has her street address, please send it to me so that I can get some popcorn delivered to her home to feed the celebrants. thanks, scatterbrained, Loren.... PS....Ashara, sorry to subject you to multiple cries for help. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:18:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: the book Lindsay Moon wrote: > So, Jerry, as I recall you are the librarian (or one of them) on the list? Yes, a University Librarian. Deb M. is also a librarian. > In librarian-speak, what does this mean? Is it > available to the general public at Borders and we should make all haste to bug them ceaselessly about whether it's in yet? Will be in bookstores for Christmas. Maybe Wally will have a link on the JM site and we can order it online, with a little helping Wally out > > Thank you for helping. Sounds interesting. (By the way, isn't the author the person who wrote in to the list requesting > ideas for sources of info.? I seem to recall it a while back.) Good memory (better than mine.) Stacy has posted to the list before. I haven't read the galley, but she did go to the right sources, the sign of a good product. And a great cover. Jerry np: Linda R. and Emmy Lou on The Today Show ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:48:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) Helen my slutty twin sister replied: <> An interesting list Helen... Are these supposed to show variety or are they supposed to be examples of discs one would be embarrassed to own? Avalon is a really nice record...Bryan Ferry is one of those guys that could sing the phone book and make it interesting as far as I'm concerned. Hootie's First record was great - I have it and still enjoy it. Of course, they were the "Hometown Boys Make Good" syndrome here in South Carolina. I saw them live at a little club in town and they put on a super show...unfortunately, it became fashionable to hate them soon after their first record and their popularity turned quicker than you can say "Give us Barrabas". Abba & Hanson are state of the art pop music - no crime in that... Dire Straits "Love Over Gold" - The folks that dislike this are from the "land of short attention spans" I'm afraid. I love it, especially the line from "Industrial Disease"..."two men sayin' they're Jesus, One of 'em must be wrong" :~) Now I will award you bravery points for admitting to Starland Vocal Band - they are really sucky yuck!! Bob, putting in his half day before packing for the Fest! NP: Joni, "Amelia" from Kanata Ontario 10/30/98 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:54:36 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Cruelty Towards Others In a message dated 9/2/99 10:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << I did not say I did not like Alanis I even bought the first lp JLP but she can't and never will compare with Joni and either will any other female up to the present moment of the world. Joni is in a class all her own and she well deserves it. >> i saw alanis in columbia sc a few years ago. she had really great energy and was fun to watch. she had only come out with pill at that point so the set list was a little limited. but the way i would phrase the difference you sight between her and joni is that alanis' music does not have the longevity and sustenance of joni's. i have not listened to jlp for at least a year. i don't think I could listen to jlp for years and years. conversly, i may put blue in my cd player at work and listen to it every day for months on end, year after year after year. joni's music continues to evolve and make the listening experience new each time its heard. it goes with real time and grows as we do. and i do think that makes her music unique and rare.ss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:04:37 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) i think bob has coined the pharase of the month on the list by referring to himself as a music slut. very poignant and descriptive. love it. you slut. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:28:09 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Greetings! Don tests his memory skills... <> Don, thanks to you I dreamt last night that Joni releases a brilliant poetic, jazz-infused yet genre-bending record in 2001, then several years later hooks up with Beck who convinces her to put out a sample-ridden, electronic piece of twaddle with good songs that get lost in the production. Needless to say, I woke in a pool of sweat! Bob, who REALLY needs to turn off this computer, go home and pack! :~) NP: Moon at the Window from Canata ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:59:55 -0700 From: "Travis Moser" Subject: Re: Bob, the music slut (NJC) > Oh my God, I think I'm a slut (musical, of course)! I do own a copy of > Rumours, and Hysteria (signed in silver ink by the lead guitarist - found it > second hand for $2!). I don't have a copy of Thriller, but I can probably > still qualify with the following: > > Abba - Arrival (the one where they're all in a helicopter wearing white > jumpsuits) > Beaches - Soundtrack Hey Helen, Beaches has some great cuts on it! Bette does a great 'Under the Boardwalk' and also sings Randy Newman's 'I Think It's Gonna Rain Today' plus great covers of 'The Glory of Love', 'Baby Mine' (from Dumbo) and Cole Porter's 'I've Still Got My Health'. I admit I have some embarrassing items in my music collection but this ain't one of 'em! (And let's leave 'Wind Beneath My Wings' out of this, please!) Mark (Skywalker) in Seattle gearing up to fly out of here in a few hours to finally meet my long lost twin sister, Princess Ashara. (Ashara please, please say that Darth Vader isn't our father, please!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:25:12 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Ashara's weekend bash All, Thanks to everyone who sent me Ashara's street address. She happened to be on-line and sent it to me herself. But, now the sad news.....pardon me while I get down on my knees in an act of submission and sorrow....when I received the first message with her address, I called the popcorn folks to arrange a delivery. They reported that their preferred shipper (UPS) does not do overnight deliveries for them, and cannot quarantee overnight delivery, so they (Fisher's popcorn of Ocean City, MD) do not and will not make that promise. Ashara mentioned to me that unless I could get it there by tomorrow not to bother since she's chasing all of you outta her house on Sunday. So, Viginia, there will be no caramel popcorn from Loren at Ashara's celebration this year, the mighty Casey has struck out. However, a promise is a promise. Ashara, you cna expect a large tub of caramel popcorn to be delivered to your house for you and the boys to chomp and chew on. Sadly it won't arrive until after all of the party animals have departed (unless some of them hide and stay). So, to the rest of you, I humbly offer my heartfelt apologies for making a promise I couldn't keep. Usually, for me, a promise is a promise, and I don't like it when I break them. I'll be angry at myself all weekend for this goof up. I DO hate it when work interferes with life. I felt that I "owed" this to you all for helping me get through the days recently. I am fine, and getting on with life. humbly, filled with sorrow, and deeply annoyed at himself, Loren..... NP....not a damm thing. too made at myself to allow myself to enjoy music right now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Ashara's weekend bash That's OK Loren....Caramel popcorn doesn't go that great with margaritas or martinis anyway! ;-) Don't punish yourself....go put on TTT ;-) Penny (who's packing to leave for Ashara's at 1:00 AM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:24:55 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Ashara's weekend bash (NJC) Loren, Thanks for the sweet thoughts; we'll miss you! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:29:07 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Joni News Rolling Stone Online : The Italians know what makes a real diva. While VH1 overlooked JONI MITCHELL for both of their diva TV specials, Milan's La Scala, the birthplace of opera, has tapped the seminal folkie for a performance this fall. Mitchell will be backed by a full orchestra to test drive some of the songs she's recorded in London for an album of standards. If all goes well, the show will be taped for Mitchell's own TV special. Mitchell fans JANET JACKSON, BJORK, ETTA JAMES, ELVIS COSTELLO and CHAKA KHAN have all recorded songs from Mitchell's songbook for an upcoming tribute album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:02:03 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Kevin back from the Greek Islands Hi I'm back and I sure did miss my clean white linen. Just to say I am sorry if I have not responded to requests fror tape or thanked any one who sent me things THANKYOU BOB !!!!! I am going to sign off the list for a while as I have lots of work to do but please email me if I still have to send you anything ect. Love Kevin HEJIRA28@MSN.COM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:54:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A couple of questions - definitely NJC > My second question is: Is there always so much fuss whenever > Bill Clinton goes anywhere? We've got the APEC conference > here in Auckland next weekend, and they're closing all the roads > in the city, and the motorways. This is solely for the protection of the female inhabitants of wherever the President happens to be visiting. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:50:42 EDT From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #382 Regarding The Joni Mitchell Companion: < for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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