From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #381 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 381 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: From the depths (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Mondegreens (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: A Canadian Joke NJC [Don Rowe ] new email address NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= ] There's a Joni Fan at CDNow [Janet Hess ] Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow ["Kakki" ] new book [Jerry Notaro ] Speechless [Jerry Notaro ] Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Missing Joni-fest "One big Boo-hoo" NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Tolkien - Tull NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] For those still on the fence about Ashara's Fwd: US Airways E-Savers for Travel Beginning on September 04, 1999 [] Re: Cruelty Towards Others [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: (NJC) pronouncing ndegewhatthef**k [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: pronouncing ndegewhatthef**k (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Genesis (NJC) and Dr. Suess [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: new book [Dflahm@aol.com] JC: Joni is a Grand Spirit [Kate Tarasenko ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:31:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: From the depths (NJC) Michael Paz wrote: > NP-La Milonga de Ricardo en Cha-cha-cha-Ricardo Lemvo y Makina Loca > (A Putomayo Blend- Music From The Coffee Lands) Is that a Ricky Ricardo/ Ricky Martin duet??? Jerry :^) np: Troubadour 1972 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:09:23 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Mondegreens (NJC) I know it's been mentioned before, but I wanted to share this with some of the newer listers. Besides, it's Dr. SigMondegreen's favorite place on the web. http://www.kissthisguy.com/ Dr. Siggy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: A Canadian Joke NJC > How's this for a fantasy--great seats for a game > between Leafs and > Canadiens, with "O, Canada" sung beforehand by > you-know-whom. Actually, I think you-know-whom should sing "Raised On Robbery" beforehand, in place of "O, Canada." Now that would be fantastic ... ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:42:57 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: new email address NJC Chello my friends, as I'm leaving university, I can no longer use its internet service. My new eMail address is: winni@addcom.de Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:53:25 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: test -- sorry (NJC) dear friends, sorry to abuse the list for testing purposes. In the last message I sent from my new address, my last name did not get through correctly. Hope it's fixed now. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:00:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow I sent a bit of a complaint (text is included below)to CD Now about their omission of Joni in the Artist of the Millennium Poll. So help me, I got a terrific response from a fellow Joni fan at CD Now...who even includes a snip from "Dog Eat Dog" in her e-mail. Wonderful, no? Hugz (gentle ones still, but I'm getting there), Janet - ------------------------ Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:56:06 -0400 To: "hessj@ix.netcom.com" Subject: Re: Promotion Questions From: CDNOW Promotions Reply-To: CDNOW Promotions Dear Janet, Thank you for shopping at CDNOW. Please accept my apologies regarding the pics for Artist of the Millennium Poll. I too am a huge Joni Mitchell fan and was equally as upset to find that her name was not on the list. Please be assured that I have forwarded your concerns as well as my own to the promotions department. Janet, please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on this matter. "Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away / Dog eat dog..." Dog Eat Dog- JONI MITCHELL 1985 Crazy Crow Music BMI Regards, Sharon Customer Service CDNOW, Inc. Your Music. Your Store. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- http://cdnow.com AOL Keyword: CDNOW Together with Music Boulevard we've built a better music store! www.cdnow.com/bettermusicstore For best service, please include this note with your reply. Original message follows: - ------------------------- JANET HESS SID: 719212071 SHAME ON YOU, CD Now! Not including Joni Mitchell as a choice in your Artist of the Millenium Poll is incredible. Just yesterday my copy of the "Joni Mitchell: Painting With Words and Music" video arrived from CD Now. It may well be my last purchase from you. - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:53:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow Janet wrote: > I sent a bit of a complaint (text is included below)to CD Now about their > omission of Joni in the Artist of the Millennium Poll. So help me, I got a > terrific response from a fellow Joni fan at CD Now...who even includes a > snip from "Dog Eat Dog" in her e-mail. Wonderful, no? What a classic reply! That is so cool. There's hope in this world, yet ;-D Kakki NP: Just in Time by ?? (My clock radio is stuck on a Big Band format AM station) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:54:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: new book Just got my Schirmer Books catalog and in full color on the back cover is Joni. The new book is The Joni Mitchell Companion: Four Decades of Commentary. Here are the details: The Companion Series - 6" x 9" - 300 pp - Index, Chronology, Discography, Bibliography - $15.00 Each volume in the series assembles articles, reviews, interviews, essays, photographs, and other documents by and about legendary performers. They are current, accessible, and full of new and newly covered information. For fans, or anyone curious about what makes a legend in rock, jazz, and popular music. NEW The Joni Mitchell Companion by Stacy Luftig For the past 30 years, Joni Mitchell has been world famous. The singer, guitarist, and songwriter composed and performed hits like Big Yellow Taxi, Both Sides Now, and Help Me. In addition to her contributions to pop and folk music, she has also written and recorded jazz with Charlie Mingus. Today, her songs have emerged in the work of other recording artists, from a Janet Jackson remix to the nouveau folk celebrated at the Lilith Fair. Her own career continues to grow and expand with renewed interest in her music. Jerry np: The Demo Tape ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 16:19:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Speechless Does anyone know which interview and on which tape tree Joni discusses the first time she recorded "Speechless?" Thanks in advance. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:16:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow Janet said: <> Wow, that was really cool Janet! And a neat quote to boot...kinda proof that a real fan was at work there by use of the obscure lyric. It's funny how many people out there are Joni fans, but they don't talk about it unless somebody else brings it up first... Bob, happy to be back in the land of the healthy today NP: Seal, "State of Grace" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:17:02 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: There's a Joni Fan at CDNow I used that to voice my opinion about leaving Joni off the list too. Maybe they'll add her, after all, we ALL know she IS the Artist of the Millenium ;-) - -Jenny CT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:50:31 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Missing Joni-fest "One big Boo-hoo" NJC For those of you who are lucky enough to attend Ashara's second annual Joni-fest, I know you are busy packing your guitars, dulcimers, keyboards and Joni memorabilia. Some of you are gargling and clearing your throats so you can belt out all of the Joni tunes. I only wish I could attend and meet some of the wonderful people who I've enjoyed corresponding with this past year. Of course I have no musical talents to offer unlike quite a few of you. I can't play any musical instruments, and my voice is something to be desired. (although I do a mean "Circle Game" on the kazoo). I'm definitely going to be there next year so Ashara, start building the Mother-in Laws quarters. We have been able to see Pamela and Tommy Lee, the reattachment of a man's hand, Carnie Wilson's gastric bypass surgery, and who knows what else all on the internet. Well, I think us poor JMDLer's who have to stay at home on Labor Day weekend should be able to see "Live-Cam at Ashara's" !!! I don't want to have to wait until the still pics are posted to the website :--) Have a great time!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:28:10 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Tolkien - Tull NJC All this Lord of the Rings stuff has messed me up with nostalgia. And, with the help of my son, has turned something inside out from years back. Maybe worked out a splinter. My son's musical tastes are different than mine. In fact, I used to be concerned for his musical tastes. He is very pop oriented. He has the catalogue of the Spice Girls. That in itself concerned me. Then he has all the late model rockers. Semisonic, Sugar Ray, Third Eye Blind, Match Box 20, and so on. I've played Jethro Tull for him. He likes them, but still, he seemed to have felt more deeply about the Spice Girls' split than M. Barr's guitar riffs. I guess I wanted him to have heavier tastes. He has played for me some of the songs he likes. I have heard them before, in between changing cd's in my car while the radio played. Sometimes I run in the mornings with a radio walkman and then I hear the same stuff off the pop charts. Just the other morning I heard a decent song from one of these late model pop rockers. Turns out it was Third Eye Blind. I had heard the song before, on a trip with my son and his friends from school. They knew all the words. I tuned them out, focused on the road. Thought about work, the house, bills. But the other morning, while running with headphones, I noticed in the middle of this song by Third Eye Blind, there is a simple little guitar solo. And then the chord structure comes back in and builds and then, for a fleeting moment, there is some genuine feedback ringing, which I really liked. The kind of feedback Hendrix and Page used to get. Real, unintended, heart piercing, feedback. The kind of feedback that stopped you dead in your tracks. It was a sound a 10 year old would not recognize, but a 40 year old knows like the back of his hand. So I borrowed my son's Third Eye Blind cd. Then, I listened to the song over and over. Then I read the lyrics over and over. Then, I thought about when I was 10. Junior High School. Jethro Tull. The Hobbit. The Lord of the Rings. And my best friend Marcus. We spent every day together both in school and at home. We read Tolkien together. We listened to Ian Anderson. We tried to figure out the words on the back of the Aqualung album. We had matching hockey jerseys. We went ice skating together. We rode bikes everywhere. We were best friends. I remember Christmas holidays one year. We spend every day together. Talked about girls. Dreamt of far off places. Once in 8th grade we had an argument. How things escalated, I can't remember. I don't know whose idea it was, but Marcus and I were to have a fight that day at the trolley station, after school. I loathe now to think it was my idea. That day, I walked down to the station and there were over 20 kids there waiting for us. Then, Marcus, my best friend, came around and we stood there staring at each other. Minutes passed, neither of us moved. Finally, some jerk bully stepped in and said, 'so, is there a fight here or not?' I just looked down at the ground. Marcus was half my size. We were friends. I had never been in a fight before. I didn't have the rage. Neither did Marcus. There was no fight to be had there that day. But the bully walked past me and went over to Marcus and pushed him. Then, he hit him in the face and Marcus fell down to the ground. Then everyone walked away. True story. I walked home alone. Marcus and I never discussed that. Our friendship continued, but was never the same. At the end of that year, we parted and never saw each other again. We went to different high schools. Then, to college. He was very bright. He went on to Harvard. I flunked out of the local school. Maybe ten years ago, I ran into another friend of that time. Part of the Tull/ Tolkein click too. We talked for an hour or so. I asked about someone we both knew. This guy said, 'gee, I haven't seen him since the funeral. By the way, why weren't you there?' I said, 'what funeral?' The silence was deafening. " Geez, I thought you new. Marcus in his second year at Harvard over Christmas, ….he hung himself in his room. He was really struggling with the pressure. His father was sick. It just all came down at once." 'No, I hadn't heard about that. I haven't seen Marcus since jr. high.' Jumper - Third Eye Blind I wish you could step back from that ledge my friend, You could cut ties with all the lies, that you've been living in, And if you do not want to see me again, I would understand. I would understand. The angry boy, a bit too insane, icing over a secret pain, You know you don't belong, you're the first to fight, You're way too loud, You're the flash of light on a burial shroud, I know something's wrong, Well everyone I know has got a reason, To put the past away,…. And I want you to know, Everyone's got to face down the demons, Maybe today, we can put the past away. Today, I'm pleased with my son's taste in music. A 10 year old ought not to know about feedback the way a 40 year old does. A 10 year old has not past to put away. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: For those still on the fence about Ashara's Fwd: US Airways E-Savers for Travel Beginning on September 04, 1999 === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right - ---ESaver@USAirways.com wrote: > > This is a post-only mailing. > ***************************************************************************** > > US Airways' E-SAVERS fares offer dramatic discounts for travel on the > weekend following this note, with bargains to different destinations > each week. 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And I can't explain why I still listen to Ethel Waters even if she said negative things to both Billie and Lena Horne. >>Joni may have said something not very nice about Alanis but lets face it..Alanis is almost like a one hit wonder in my opinion. Shea had one ablum where she is just pissed at the world and then it sells millions. She can't even hold a candle to Joni so who cares really what she said about Alanis anyway. Joni is Goddess..Alanis...not worthy to any stretch of the imagination! Catgirl aka Joni freak..sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:20:03 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) pronouncing ndegewhatthef**k In a message dated 8/27/1999 8:01:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@hotmail.com writes: << Lisa D. asked: >please forward complete phonetic instructions on how to pronounce her >name.thanks. (ps I enjoyed the review) The last name is n-duh-GAY-o-chel-o. >> Thanks so much! I have never ever been able to pronounce that name right! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:31:20 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: pronouncing ndegewhatthef**k (NJC) In a message dated 8/28/1999 5:00:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bolvangar@aol.com writes: << Michael Y. wrote: <> When I look at her albums in the store, there's a sticker on them from the record company saying "pronounce: n-DAY-gay-o-chello." Is this just wrong? (It wouldn't surprise me!) --David >> This pronounciation does sound more familiar to me so I will keep this one and toss out the other! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:03:23 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Genesis (NJC) and Dr. Suess In a message dated 8/31/1999 9:41:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << but the bands of genesis are two different entities with and without peter gabrial. and i dont think it is as simple as peter had that affect. i think it is equally that phil was able to be his full self without peter's presence. but wasn't trick of the tale absolutely to die for?ss >> trick of the tail selling England by the pound the lamb lies down on broadway...all these LP's are classic. I do not like Duke, Sam I am and I do not like Abacab either Sam I am and I would not listen to them hear or there and I would not listen to them anywhere I do not like new genesis Sam I am... Catgirl trying to compine topics ps The Lorax is the best book he ever wrote! Dr. Suess of course! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:46:00 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: new book It would really be interesting to see reviews of the old recordings. I hope to check this out soon. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:37:09 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC: Joni is a Grand Spirit I was just thinking about all the list-people I actually KNOW now (thanks to Wally and Les and the JMDL) whom I'm going to miss at Ashara's crazy Let-In-Every-Maniac-Who-Claims-to-Love-Joni-Mitchell Party this weekend -- I wouldn't trade the downright magical real-life encounters I've had with some of you folks, not for all the restraining orders in the world! (Ashara -- it's CYBER-HUMOR. If you can bungee-jump in Australia and post about it to the JMDL, then I think you've pretty well kicked all the preemptory party-guest-ass that you need to. Don't overdo it, hon!^) I was forced by will of love to put on "Blue" tonight, which led me to "Miles of Aisles," the two first albums of Joni's I ever bought, played for weeks on end on a cheap, used $20-dollar hi-fi. (But I can never remember which album came first -- they fight so fiercely for prominence in my developing memory.) I just want to wish all of you LaborDayFesters a wonderful weekend. I had so much fun at last year's JoniStock -- I know what you're in for. It's love vindicated -- what can be better? Joni is a Grand Spirit -- she teaches us about this, and that's what I love about her. Sloppily sentimental -- What gives? !^) Kate in CO !^) NP: MoA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #381 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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