From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #380 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 380 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dr. Seuss NJC [evian ] Genesis (NJC) [evian ] all ready!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Dr. Seuss NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Dr. Seuss NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: NJC a good cause [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: The Lord of the Rings (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: NJC Dr. Seuss (long) [Siresorrow@aol.com] RE: Dr. Seuss NJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: Genesis (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Genesis (NJC) [Don Rowe ] JMDLers revealed [Janene Otten ] A Canadian Joke [Janet Hess ] Re: A Canadian Joke ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: NJC a good cause [catman ] Re: A Canadian JokeNJC [catman ] RE: A Canadian Joke ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re : Carole King (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Genesis & Yes (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: A Canadian Joke NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= ] Re: YES - NJC [Martin Giles ] RE: relayer after mass NJC [Martin Giles ] Re: Rick Wakeman/Bill bruford - NJC [Martin Giles ] Re: Yes (NJC) [Martin Giles ] Re: YES njc [Martin Giles ] RE: relayer after mass NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: YES - NJC [Bounced Message ] RE: The Lord of the Rings (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: LotR Movie (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: LotR Movie correction [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Where I was when... ["P. Henry" ] Re: A Canadian Joke NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: all ready!!! NJC [Michael Paz ] From the depths (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: all ready!!! NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:20:30 -0600 From: evian Subject: Dr. Seuss NJC Speaking of Dr. Seuss, does anyone know if Dr. Seuss wrote *Sam and the Firefly*? This was my favorite book as a kid, and I have no clue who wrote it... somehow I don't think it was Seuss, but at the same time, it looked like a Seuss book, if that makes any sense. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:31:41 -0600 From: evian Subject: Genesis (NJC) Catgirl wrote: > With > Genesis after then there were 3 then really got crappy as well meaning they > should have just called themselves the Phil Collins band. > You know, Phil Collins really, really annoys me for some reason, but I do think that Face Value is one of the best albums I own. As well, I really like the Genesis after Peter Gabriel left, specifically ABACAB and Duke, and in particular, the self titled album.. The self titled album is one of my desert island picks, I never grow tired of it, especially "Home By the Sea". True, the self-titled album and Face Value DO sound alike in a way, but I do think that the band retained a distinctive sound apart from Phil's solo work. After Face Value, Phil's solo stuff lost whatever originality it had, and he became, to me, another Lionel Ritchie, while the band kept an inkling of their former sound (ok, ok, Invisible Touch excluded!) Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:34:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: all ready!!! NJC Well, I've finished packing and in about 12 hours I'll be taking a plane to New York. Next thing I know, I'll be roaming the streets of my beloved Manhattan.... and shopping shopping shopping!!! I want to wish everybody a safe trip to Boston. I'm so much looking forward to meeting you all in Topsfield. And I hope that someday I'll meet all the rest that couldn't make it. Hugs, Wally\K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:36:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dr. Seuss NJC evian wrote: > Speaking of Dr. Seuss, does anyone know if Dr. Seuss wrote *Sam and the > Firefly*? This was my favorite book as a kid, and I have no clue who > wrote it... somehow I don't think it was Seuss, but at the same time, it > looked like a Seuss book, if that makes any sense. That was P. D. Eastman. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:48:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Dr. Seuss NJC <> And like his other popular book "Are You My Mother", it was distributed through the Dr. Seuss bookclub, that's probably the reason you associate it with Seuss, Evian. PS: I can make you a copy of that World Party record you're looking for...as you know, I have EVERY record ever made! LOL! Bob NP: Saffire, "Schoolteacher Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:07:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC a good cause Gina said: <> There was a blurb in the Greenville News this morning about the event, saying it raised $250,000. Also said that Sharon Stone was working the crowd, sitting on laps and being very flirtacious. That would certainly raise the, uh...bidding...:~) Bob NP: The Swampcats, "Chasing Shadows" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:37 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings (NJC) In a message dated 8/30/99 8:36:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << Does anyone think they might have been referring to Galadriel? Arwen, maybe??? >> i can't begin to guess that one. but do y'all remember the first movie cartoon that was made of the lord of the rings. it was only the first half of the story and to my memory was never ever finished. just left us all hanging for decades. so maybe this one will bring us some "closure" to the thing, even with a recently added queen. ss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:20:24 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Dr. Seuss (long) yes, that was the cat in the hat who brought in thing one and thing two to play on the cold cold wet day then cleaned up the mess before the mother got home and left the kids wondering if they should tell their mom what went on there that day. ss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:25:57 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Dr. Seuss NJC Evian, "Sam and the Firefly" was written by Philip D. Eastman. It was published by the "Beginner Books" series that brought much of early Dr. Seuss to print. Seuss's cat in the hat was part of the logo for the series. Great stuff. P.D. Eastman also wrote "Are You My Mother?", my and my daughter's personal favorite. Even though she's nine now, we will still sit and read it together sometimes. Because they came from the same publisher, the books had very similar styles and color treatment. Both books are available from amazon.com and others. Hey, treat yourself! Regards, Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: evian [mailto:evian@sk.sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 3:21 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Dr. Seuss NJC Speaking of Dr. Seuss, does anyone know if Dr. Seuss wrote *Sam and the Firefly*? This was my favorite book as a kid, and I have no clue who wrote it... somehow I don't think it was Seuss, but at the same time, it looked like a Seuss book, if that makes any sense. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:34:40 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Genesis (NJC) In a message dated 8/31/99 3:33:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympaticoca writes: << Catgirl wrote: > With > Genesis after then there were 3 then really got crappy as well meaning they > should have just called themselves the Phil Collins band. > You know, Phil Collins really, really annoys me for some reason, but I do think that Face Value is one of the best albums I own. As well, I really like the Genesis after Peter Gabriel left, specifically ABACAB and Duke, and in particular, the self titled album.. >> i was amazed how differently genesis evolved without peter gabrial. i did like some of the new genesis songs, but for the most part, for me, they became a pop band while they were once a heavy weight progressive band. with that said, phil collins really has the talent. he was born with tons of talent and i can see why he has succeeded. at the same time, peter gabrial seemed to get darker and darker without the full band. but then he passed that stage and moved a little more main stream with so and i thought that was a wonderful album. but the bands of genesis are two different entities with and without peter gabrial. and i dont think it is as simple as peter had that affect. i think it is equally that phil was able to be his full self without peter's presence. but wasn't trick of the tale absolutely to die for?ss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Genesis (NJC) A few random thoughts ... since I've been gently nudging a friend in the direction of Peter Gabriel's incarnation of Genesis. We've been through the famous "Nursery Crymes", "Selling England By the Pound", "Foxtrot" and "Lamb Lies Down ...". One more envelope-stretching that the next ... and while I'm on the subject, why did Keith Moon get all the kudos for being the "god of the drums?" He ain't got nothing on Phil behind the kit IMO. And if you don't believe me, check out "The Fountain At Salmacis" ... jesus, that's some frighteningly wicked playing. And to think these guys were able to rehearse, record and TOUR material like this is one of the great overlooked achievements in the anals of rock and roll, really. When Gabriel left, his complaint was that the band was "getting too normal" -- by which I suppose he meant they were wanting to play at least four bars in the same time signature on a few songs here and there. Who knew just what kind of harbinger THAT would turn out to be ... for all of them. Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:40:49 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: JMDLers revealed Hey, everyone. I know you are all gearing up for the big Labor Day Joni-fest. If I remember correctly, Ashara, you have moved from New England, right? I always go to Mass. for Labor Day & I thought it would be perfect to be able to come and join in the festivities if you were still there. I am spending the weekend with a bunch of people who used to be part of LRY (Liberal Religious Youth), which turned into COG (Community of Growth) all of which stemmed from Unitarian Youth Organization. I myself do not attend a Unitarian church but we're all brothers and sisters so that's what counts. Anyway, if someone can enlighten me on the location again maybe my friend, another big Joni fan, and I can swing it. I surfed into the picture gallery and the pictures from the `98 joni-fests are really nice. What great parties! Seeing pictures of everybody is cool but there is also something cool about not having a face to put with the name. Ultimately, of course, it will be great to meet more of you in the future. It seems that I would have a great time with you all. I know that the friends that I get together with on long weekends end up playing music most of the time and not much of anything else, which is fine by me. Anyway, my friend that I mentioned previously in this post, just got a new computer and I've been promising some Day In The Garden pics. Hopefully I can get them onto a web-page soon. It's kind of odd that I don't have my own site but music and photography take a toll on the wallet if you've not yet begun to receive a steady paycheck from either one so adding a computer into that just complicates the equation. I know that I must make the investment because in the long run, the computer will positively add to the equation so I am working on that. In the meantime, a big thank you goes out to all of you and especially Wally for keeping me abreast of all things Joni. Oh, Bryan, you're web-site is excellent and I like your music. I am in NYC so keep me posted on upcoming gigs. I'll definitely come out. I am a professional concert goer! Peace, Janene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:21:45 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: A Canadian Joke In honor of a certain diva, I thought I'd pass this along. Enjoy! - -------------------------------- TEMPERATURE (Degrees are in Fahrenheit) 50 above - New Yorkers try to turn on the heat. Canadians plant gardens. 40 above - Californians shiver uncontrollably. Canadians sunbathe. 35 above - Italian cars won't start. Canadians drive with the windows down. 32 above - Distilled water freezes. Canadian water gets thicker. 20 above - Floridians wear coats, gloves & wool hats. Canadians throw on a t-shirt. 15 above - Californians begin to evacuate the state. Canadians go swimming. Zero - New York landlords finally turn up the heat. Canadians have the last cook-out before it gets cold. 10 below - People in Miami cease to exist. Canadians lick flag poles to see if their tongue will stick. 20 below - Californians fly away to Mexico. Canadians throw on a light jacket. 40 below - Hollywood disintegrates. Canadians rent some videos. 60 below - Mt. St. Helens freezes. Canadian Girl Guides begin selling cookies door to door. 80 below - Polar bears begin to evacuate Antarctica. Canadian Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until it gets cold enough. 100 below - Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Canadians pull down their ear flaps. 173 below - Ethyl alcohol freezes. Canadians get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg. 297 below - Microbial life survives on dairy products. Canadian cows complain of farmers with cold hands. 460 below - ALL atomic motion stops. Canadians start saying "Cold 'nuff for ya?" 500 below - Hell freezes over. The Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup. - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:37:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: A Canadian Joke This is especially true here in FL. The only people who swim in the winter are the Canadians. No Floridian would go near the water until it hits about 85 degrees. We used to swim on the canadian side of Lake Erie while ice was still floating in April. No more! Jerry On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Janet Hess wrote: > In honor of a certain diva, I thought I'd pass this along. Enjoy! > > -------------------------------- > > TEMPERATURE > > (Degrees are in Fahrenheit) > > 50 above - New Yorkers try to turn on the heat. Canadians > plant gardens. > > 40 above - Californians shiver uncontrollably. Canadians > sunbathe. > > 35 above - Italian cars won't start. Canadians drive with > the windows down. > > 32 above - Distilled water freezes. Canadian water gets > thicker. > > 20 above - Floridians wear coats, gloves & wool hats. > Canadians throw on a t-shirt. > > 15 above - Californians begin to evacuate the state. > Canadians go swimming. > > Zero - New York landlords finally turn up the heat. > Canadians have the last cook-out before it gets cold. > > 10 below - People in Miami cease to exist. Canadians lick > flag poles to see if their tongue will stick. > > 20 below - Californians fly away to Mexico. Canadians throw > on a light jacket. > > 40 below - Hollywood disintegrates. Canadians rent some > videos. > > 60 below - Mt. St. Helens freezes. Canadian Girl Guides > begin selling cookies door to door. > > 80 below - Polar bears begin to evacuate Antarctica. > Canadian Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until it gets cold > enough. > > 100 below - Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Canadians > pull down their ear flaps. > > 173 below - Ethyl alcohol freezes. Canadians get frustrated > when they can't thaw the keg. > > 297 below - Microbial life survives on dairy products. > Canadian cows complain of farmers with cold hands. > > 460 below - ALL atomic motion stops. Canadians start saying > "Cold 'nuff for ya?" > > 500 below - Hell freezes over. The Toronto Maple Leafs win > the Stanley Cup. > > > ----------------- > So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. > And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms > 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. > Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:31:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC a good cause Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Gina said: > > < hear about people doing things that really matter.>> > > There was a blurb in the Greenville News this morning about the event, > saying it raised $250,000. Also said that Sharon Stone was working the > crowd, sitting on laps and being very flirtacious. That would certainly > raise the, uh...bidding...:~) And that would be all for me! > > > Bob > > NP: The Swampcats, "Chasing Shadows" - -- TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:04 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: A Canadian JokeNJC My friends here in Uk thought I was nuts to take a holiday in Canada/New England when it was so cold. personally i loved it tho being caught in a blizzrd in the Green Mountains of vermont and on the road between Qubec City and Montreal was a bit hairy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:45:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: A Canadian Joke The more I think about it, the more convinced I am: I must be a Canadian. Wally\K 15 above - Canadians go swimming. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:55 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re : Carole King (NJC) I'd like to thank everyone for picking up on my Carole King post a week or so ago. The many private and public replies, with their insights and "futher listening..." information, is very much appreciated. It was wonderful to see the Carole thread begin and evolve into a very interesting discussion. I suppose it must seem amazing that I have only just discovered Tapestry 28 years after the event, but I knew I could count on the JMDL for understanding and feedback. Cheers! :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:11:26 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Genesis & Yes (NJC) I'm a child of the 80s, and for me the defining albums for each of these two bands are Invisible Touch and 90125 :o) Don, you are so right in likening 90125 to DED ...I can well imagine the horror of Yes die-hards to your confession! :-) BTW, has anyone else heard the latest (post-Phil Collins) Genesis album - - Calling All Stations - from 1997, which features a new vocalist? It's more like a Mike & the Mechanic release, which blurrs the boundaries between group and solo projects even further.... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:40:47 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: Re: A Canadian Joke NJC > 80 below - Polar bears begin to evacuate Antarctica. ...And penguins fly away from the North Pole! Winfried (sorry, I know I'm the biggest smartass in the world ...just couldn't resist...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:57:48 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Trevor Rabin/Steve Howe - NJC Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > i had the exact same impression of trevor rabin when i saw him play...that he > lacked the spirit of yes in his playing and had a lot of smoke and mirrors > going. eddie vanhalen stuff. where steve howe had the spirit of yes deep in > his bones. Smoke and mirrors!! I love that - perfect description. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:53:53 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: YES - NJC Louis Lynch wrote: > It's uncool to like Yes in the United Kingdom? (This from the country that > gave us Cornish pasties and blood pudding!) > Well, if that's the case, then we Americans should retaliate. How about it > guys, should we all declare Jethro Tull uncool over here? We are ahead of you here. Jethro Tull - seriously uncool! > Second only to Joni, I love to cover Yes songs, rearranged for the harp, of > course. I would love to hear some of your covers. Anything released commercially? All the best Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:22:33 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: RE: relayer after mass NJC Wally said... >though they said that the keyboard parts had >already been written by wakeman, moraz gave the album such a distinctive >touch. Wow, this is news to me! I never knew Wakeman did any writing for that album - he didn't get any credits as far as I remember, I'll have to get my old vinyl copy out of the vault! It does account for the way the new player seemed to fit into the mould so well, but I guess he must have written his own solos huh? >i still think that moraz' solo after the cha cha cha cha cha on sound >chaser >is the coolest solo ever played on a synth.> Its a close thing, but I think the coolest ever synth solo, occurs just a few minutes later on the same album. On 'To Be Over' just before the "After All.." verse. I love Steve Howe's sparse little guitar figures on that passage also. All the best, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:56:58 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Rick Wakeman/Bill bruford - NJC Heather Galli wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, Rick Wakeman is a classical trained pianist. Six > Wives of Henry the 8th comes to mind as an example of his fluidness on the > keyboards. I loved the description of him working his hand before playing. > As I was reading your description, I was thinking "ah ... he's building up > to playing the next part I've always been amazed at how Wakeman can do such completely different things simultaneously with his hands. It's not only a case of being able to play different things, but he seems to be able to divide his brain in two sometimes! I once saw some live footage of YES shot probably around 1973. This was back in the days when if you wanted to change the sound on your synthesiser, you had to adjust lots of different controls to specific settings. You couldn't just press one button toautomatically recall a sound. I saw Rick playing a fairly demanding piano part with his left hand, and at the same time, he was adjusting his Minimoog for a new sound, before lauching into a breif solo on the synth. He must have been thinking simultaneously about the two completely different tasks! > PS - I highly reccomend anything by Bill Bruford's Earthworks. I agree. My favourite track of Earthworks' is the title track from 'All Heaven Broke Loose' I also really like a 1970s Bruford album called 'One Of A Kind'. Bruford played with Allen Holdsworth (guitar), Jeff Berlin (bass), and Dave Stewart (Keyboards). All the best Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:08:15 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Yes (NJC) Hi Michael I count myself as a Yes fan, but when it comes down to it, it really is only for their work on Fragile through Relayer, (I even like Tales..but I've made myself an edited version). The albums that I do like, I would put on my all time favorite list though. It was a time when they seemed 'touched by God', they were so inspired and so original. My absolute favorites, (in no particular order).. Heart Of The Sunrise To Be Over And You And I Gates Of Delirium Close To The Edge Long Distance Runaround Many years ago I worked out Steve Howe's 'Mood For A Day' and about the same time, Steve Hacketts' 'Horizons'. (Both solo guitar pieces). It was interesting to compare the styles, by learning how to play them. I found 'MFAD' a real handful and required me to really attack the guitar in order to play it at all. Hacketts' piece is completely different. It falls under the fingers in a very sensual way and requires that you caress your way through it! All the best Martin. Michael Paz wrote: > I am a huge Yes fan as well. I love Going for the One AND Tormato. Both > albums had some questionable production flaws, BUT the music is > fantastic. Onward and On the Silent Wings of Freedom are a couple of my > faves as well as Circus of Heaven which I play and Release Release. I > prefer live recordings I have of alot of the songs. They have a new > album called The Ladder out on Sept. 28. I have advance copy on the way > to me now. I also found out they are playing the House of Blues here in > October. > I understand what you are saying about buying new albums, but I am such > an addict that I get them anyway and even if I don't get it at first I > try again. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:42 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: YES njc CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Hey I love old YES! Like genesis they were really awesom in the beginning > and then after or befor tormatoe (meaning tormatoe is almost good). With > Genesis after then there were 3 then really got crappy as well meaning they > should have just called themselves the Phil Collins band. I must have seen > YES about 20 times especially in the late 70's. They once played outdoors at > JFK and they were amazing! I have always loved YES opps...don't say that > too loud! > Catgirl...thinking about OLD yes! Amazing!! I feel exactly the same way about Genesis too. I've always said that the only difference between later Genesis and the Phil Collins band was the brass section. Genesis' early stuff was incredible though. Although a big difference came when Peter Gabriel left, I've always felt that the real musical change came when Steve Hackett left. I've never been too enthusiastic about his solo albums, but when he was in Genesis, he managed to balance their sound and writing. After he left, Collins just took over. I have only seen Yes once, at the Union gig I mentioned. (Rick Wakeman doesn't like the album - apparently they changed all his keyboard parts after he played them. He says that he always calls it "Onion", because every time he hears it, it bring tears to his eyes!) I went to see Genesis I think about 1988, when they got Gabriel back for a one off concert at the Milton Keynes Bowl here in the UK. It is an outdoor grass amphetheatre, and it rained from the early morning all day. By mid afternoon, the ground was three inches of mud. I got myself a place dead centre about 50 feet from the stage just before they came on. They did a long gig, played loads of great stuff, including Supper's Ready, and I was literally transfixed. It was brilliant. Came the end of the show and I went to move for the first time in 2 hours, and I fell forward, straight into the mud. My knees had been locked for the duration and just collapsed on me, also my feet had sunk a couple of inches down and were stuck. I came up plastered from head to foot in mud! Great gig though!! All the best. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:13:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: relayer after mass NJC i know and i love it too. but the other solo does something to me that i can't explain! remember that little wheel moogs used to have so that you could *stretch* notes up and down? this solo has such a roller coaster feeling to it. wallyk >Its a close thing, but I think the coolest ever synth solo, occurs just >a few minutes later on the same album. On 'To Be Over' just before the >"After All.." verse. I love Steve Howe's sparse little guitar figures on >that passage also. > >All the best, >Martin. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:52 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: YES - NJC From: Chris Marshall Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:39:22 +0100 On Tuesday, August 31, 1999 5:54 PM, Martin Giles [SMTP:mlg@ukonline.co.uk] wrote: > We are ahead of you here. Jethro Tull - seriously uncool! Nooooo. Tull are marve :) Saw them a couple of years ago here in Cambridge, and was seriously impressed. Ian Anderson looks like he's seriously barking though. :) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:22 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: The Lord of the Rings (NJC) From: Chris Marshall Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:37:32 +0100 On Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:18 PM, Siresorrow@aol.com [SMTP:Siresorrow@aol.com] wrote: > but do y'all remember the first movie > cartoon that was made of the lord of the rings. it was only the first half > of the story and to my memory was never ever finished. Yep - directed by Ralph Bakshi as I recall. Ran out of money as I understand it. Seem to recall that there were some famous voices in that too. That version was semi-live-action too - lots of cartoon renderings over real human figures. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: LotR Movie (NJC) >Does anyone think they might have been >referring to Galadriel? Arwen, maybe??? These movies are being discussed ad-nauseum for almost two years now on the two Tolkien newsgroups in Usenet. There are also links to websites devoted to news about the films. They will be a trillogy ala Star Wars, at least as of last time I checked in quite some time ago. Assuming the "faeries" refer to the "elves" of Middle Earth, then they are most likely refering to Galadriel (ga-LAD-ree-el) who, being the grand-daughter of Feanor (FA-a-nor), would have been the highest ranking of the exiled "elves" in ME and, in effect, the queen of the exiles or "High-elves" ( insert drug joke here), but not of the "native" elves per se. Once Galadriel departed ME at the end of the Third Age, Arwen (who will probably be cut from the movies I'd guess), having married Aragorn (the "King" in Return of the King"), in effect becomes Queen of all ME's free peoples including Men, Hobbits, Dwarves, and remaining Elves (exiled and native alike). gdave NP: NRPS: 8/31/96 Huntsburg, OH (video) - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: LotR Movie correction before I'm caught in my error... make that grand-daughter of Finwe, neice of Feanor. gdave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:12:05 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Where I was when... (repost) - Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:42:22 " you like stories? well here's one for ya: I started out at the tender age of 15 playing dylan, paxton and a lot of trad stuff every night in a small detroit area coffeehouse in 1964... did that for about a year or so and then our family moved "up the thumb" toward the port huron area... got my first "real" job washing dishes for a hotel restaurant which I soon traded in for a better job delivering appliances and furniture for a hardware store. the guy I worked with on the truck was named brian and was really into folk music too so we hit it off pretty good, considering he was 19 and I was 16... well, after working together almost a year one day he invited me to a party up near the college in port huron and so I rode along with him... when we got there, it turned out that this 'party' was actually a meeting of college students who were determined to re-open a local coffeehouse (for the third time) called "The Cellar". (it was during it's prior incarnation that is was used as a meeting place for the SDS) it was somewhat curious to me why I had been invited seeing as I was so much younger... (QUITE unlike college students) but, as it turned out, though they desperately wanted their old coffehouse back, they really had no resources in the entertainment area and, I think at brian's prompting, they were hoping I'd be able to help them since I'd been a performer and, they thought, might know the ropes, so to speak... (and also perform myself) so what happened was that they ended up forming up a non-profit org. constitution that night and electing officers to run the thing and they elected me, a barely 17 yr old kid, to act as the entertainment mgr! (now, hang in there... all this is background leading up to what ! I really wanted to tell you about...) so, while discussing with me their thoughts about performers, right away someone chimed "...and you have to get Chuck and Joni!" and someone else said "yeah! Chuck and Joni!" and, not having a clue who 'Chuck and Joni' were and feeling a bit intimidated by the fact that all these people were at least a couple years older than myself and as I was, unaccustomed to being in a 'position', and elected, no less, of course my youthful pride reared up and I said: "well, I'm going to have to audition them first"! LoL!!!! ...still makes me laugh (& blush) when I think of it! can you imagine?!? *L* the real kicker, though, came when I finally did get them booked in to play for the weekend... and it was SRO! their routine was to do 3 sets... one each alone and one together... well, first Chuck played his set (and , in case you're wondering, he was good... really good! ballads mostly... a real pro performer! wow, there are SO many lyrics on the first album I could tell you stuff about!) and then, after the break, there she was mounting the stage with her martin... never before (or since) have I experienced such beauty as Joni live onstage... her voice was superb and her charm irresistable! I had to do the reostats for the colored lights... and, from the first song, I was floating! and between songs she talked and joked and flirted and laughed... (had to change the tunings, ya know...) and her laughter was like sunshine goin' right through ya! ...but when it really, really hit home... (the 'audition' thing?) was at the end of her set... "yesterday a child came out..." sing! along... circle game... and when she got to the chorus, the WHOLE PLACE joined in!!! and it was deafening... and it was like coming home... 'kindred spirits' indeed... *S*" pat NP: "...and I'm sending you this signal here... I hope you can pick it up loud and clear," http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:16:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: A Canadian Joke NJC Re the Toronto Maple Leafs (this is my 51st year as a Rangers fan...duh!!): At least they have stayed in Canada, unlike the franchises in Winnipeg & Quebec City. When I was a sub-teen in Brewster, NY (about 60 miles north of Manhattan) my radio could pick up could hockey games on Saturday nights from Montreal and Toronto, so I grew an irrational soft spot in the heart for those teams. How's this for a fantasy--great seats for a game between Leafs and Canadiens, with "O, Canada" sung beforehand by you-know-whom. D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:52:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: all ready!!! NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > > Well, I've finished packing and in about 12 hours I'll be taking a plane to > New York. Next thing I know, I'll be roaming the streets of my beloved > Manhattan.... and shopping shopping shopping!!! I want to wish everybody a > safe trip to Boston. I'm so much looking forward to meeting you all in > Topsfield. And I hope that someday I'll meet all the rest that couldn't make > it. > Hugs, > Wally\K Wally- Gods speed and safe trip in His hands. See you in the arms of Ashara... Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:00:40 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: From the depths (NJC) Clark wrote: "They were about as far away as you could get from my favorite English bands who were serious and mystic and lost in the darkest depths of Mordor. The second fave moment was already mentioned: Linda Ronstadt in a duet with Aaron Neville singing "But I Know I Love You" . The visual was fantastic -- tiny Linda with giant Neville. He was dressed as quite the tough guy, looking like he was on his way to a street fight, but he sang like an unsexed angel. Linda has a gorgeous voice, but Aaron was such a vocal acrobat, his elaborate improvs like some instant embroidery over the canvas of her melody. I have never forgotten that song or their performance " Hi Clark- ...I met a girl so fair......Great post. WOW! Ian, Jethro Yes, ELP, Take a Pebble, Aaron, Linda. How diverse can we get? Sorry you are not going to be with us this weekend. Be well. Michael NP-La Milonga de Ricardo en Cha-cha-cha-Ricardo Lemvo y Makina Loca (A Putomayo Blend- Music From The Coffee Lands) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:30:11 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: all ready!!! NJC In a message dated 8/31/1999 9:52:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << See you in the arms of Ashara... >> Hmmm....did I miss something here? Spill it, Ashara. LOL! Terry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #380 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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