From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #377 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, August 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 377 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michael Franks Gig ["Kakki" ] Under The Covers DVD ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: The bowels of... NJC [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Where I was when ... ["John Low" ] All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) [Michael Paz ] More Yes (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Michael the Writer Right! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] New England coming down......... (VLJC) ["Steve Harper" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:05:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Michael Franks Gig Gush on, Michael! That's what we are here (hear;-) for! I was vicariously living your magical night with Franks and Egan >If I only would have had the guts to invite him to Joni Fest > to play bass. Oh well there is still a week left and I have his email > address etc. so maybe I'll get up the nerve. Ooohoo get yourself nervy! Kakki NP: Sheryl Crow - Anything But Down (with Greg Liesz on pedal steel) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:46:03 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Under The Covers DVD We finally finished our film "Under The Covers." Thanks to The Cameraguys Bill Day and Terry Schwartz for their film talents. We are very happy with the results. The film covers Gary Burden and Henry Diltz's story of album cover design from the mid '60s through the '70s featuring CSN, Eagles, Doors, Jackson Browne, David Cassidy, Jimmy Webb, America, Joni Mitchell, Steppenwolf, Mama Cass, CSNY and more. The program will release this fall only in the new JVC DVD machines. The quality is superb on DVD which includes a new digitally mixed audio track. It includes 16 chapters running 90 minutes. The retail availability on DVD will not happen until March of 2000. There will also be a TLC broadcast at the beginning of next year. We will also offer it on our site in the future. Henry's Gallery http://www.henrysgallery.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:45:24 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: The bowels of... NJC In a message dated 8/28/99 3:01:20 PM US Central Standard Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << Jeez, Bob, that was effin' brilliant, as usual.>> Thanks Catherine, very kind of you to say so... << Do you ever actually perform this stuff? Have you ever recorded it? >> I hadn't prior to this one; I got so much good feedback on this one I decided to bring my "Mr. Microphone" to work with me, stand up on my desk and sing it accapella. I thought I was really doing it well, unfortunately I didn't get past the fourth line before some lady in accounting called security and I was escorted to my car. They were a little rough with me, but hey, I DID get half a day off! :~) Bob PS: I made all of this up... NP: Guided by Voices, "Strawdogs" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:15:25 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Re: Where I was when ... Marcel wrote: >This is an interesting thread. The question is why has Joni’s music >created> the effect of remembering where it was first heard. I believe it >is because> it is impressionistic. .....(snip)...Hence we remember vividly >what we were doing and where> we were when we FIRST heard the album. Then Mark in Seattle replied: >I find these comments interesting in light of the information that was >provided at the exhibit I saw of Impressionist painting recently. Part of >what the impressionists were trying to achieve was a more candid quality to >their work. Apparently they sought to capture the moment as it happens >instead of producing a more posed or composed picture. So maybe in the >process of painting her aural pictures, Joni manages to work some strange >magic and somehow she also captures the moments in our lives as we listen >to her. As a result, those moments are forever interwoven with her music.< And I would like to add: I, too, have found this thread very interesting and I agree with Marcel and Mark. JM's lyrics have always been very strong visually (“painting with words and music”) and her imagery, as the recent “one-liners” thread demonstrated, is often striking, dramatic and memorable. I remember reading some comments by the poet Allen Ginsberg about how he had studied the way Cezanne used colour to juxtapose two disparate images and how this technique could induce in the observer quick, haiku-like flashes of illumination – or, as Ginsberg called them, “eyeball kicks”. Ginsberg attempted to apply this technique to his writing and, while I have not really thought the whole comparison through, I think that JM is probably doing much the same thing in her song writing. The “eyeball kicks” she can achieve can be so vivid that, when they happen, they imprint not only the song’s moment on our memory but, as Marks says, “the moments in our own lives as we listen to her”. For example, I think I had some such experience as this with “Carey” and the ‘picture’ she ‘painted’ in that song of the Mermaid Café. Juxtaposing the very earthy café scene with its noisy crowd of freaks and soldiers dancing and enjoying themselves to a soundtrack of “scratchy rock and roll” with the almost sublime image of the night sky’s “starry dome” and “Matalla Moon”, stirred my imagination in such a strong way. And, that scene in the song has remained forever linked to the quite different memory of the place where I first heard it. Listening to a small radio in the warm kitchen of an old house in Scotland in 1971, I experienced my first Joni “eyeball [eardrum] kick”! John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:41:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: All this talk about YesNess Now (NJC) It seems we have gotten off and a big old Yes thread. For those of you interested their partial Tour schedule is up at http://yesworld.com. They are doing Latin America in Sept. Then small venues in North America. They are playing all of the House of Blues Locations except Boston. But heads up South Carolina, Orlando, Chicago, New Orleans, La., L.A. 3 nights (the other LA) etc. I have seen them better than 20 times now. Last time was in a small place last Nov. with the ever popular Kevin and it was a great show in a small theatre. The Union tour that everyone has been commenting on was a dream come true for me. I had actually had a conversation with Bruford about this during a ABWH tour, when I remarked to him that it would be a totally amazing experience to have all the incarnations of Yes in one show. Moraz was absent as was the original guitar player, Peter Banks and of course the Buggles Horn and Downes did not make it to this Union, but hey how close can you get. They rehearsed the tour in Pensacola Florida for weeks and played the opening night there. I caught the sound check that afternoon and got to hear them just on the stage monitor system (which consisted of 36 Clair Brothers monitor wedges for eight guys for you tech heads). It was really loud. I have got a video (pretty shaky quality) and a dat of that show. I also have a ton of Yes bootlegs, my own live recordings including one of the Tormato tour with an absolutely bitchin' version of Awaken from GFTO on it. Maybe we should get a Yes CD Tree going off line kids. Anyways, Don Rowe, I feel pretty strongly about Mr. Cairo as well, as I do about most of Mr. Anderson's solo stuff. I was out in LA at a NAMM convention with my friend guitarist Brian Stoltz (the Funky Meters), and we spent some time with Jon who gave us copies of the newly released Toltec. We also got to see him play live in a room with about 50 people for a 30 minute jam set. Song of Seven, City of Angels, and Olias of Sunhillow stand out for me. He also recently did some cool Celtic stuff Live in a place near San Luis Obispo where he is currently residing. Oh gawd I am still in gush mode. I'll ramble on later. Michael NP-Eastern Window-Mark Egan (A Touch of Light on GRP) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:47:38 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Richard Thopson (NJC) Well, Don, despite our recent ‘disagreement’ over Tiny Tim, I find we do agree on some things. :~) Many thanks for the informative review of Richard Thompson’s “Mock Tudor”. I’ve liked Thompson since his Fairport days and have a number of his albums. I'd recommend his first solo "Henry the Human Fly" to anyone who hasn't heard it. You’ve convinced me that this new one should be checked out when it is released in Australia. Coincidentally, I was listening to a folk music program on the radio this morning and they played a track called “Uninhabited (?) Man” which I think the presenter said was from the new album. I understand, too, that in his liner notes Thompson acknowledges the memory of Nick Drake and Sandy Denny (and you mention that there is a song dedictated to the latter on the CD). His beautiful, understated electric guitar contributed greatly to the solo work of both. Regards, John (in Sydney) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:55:03 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: More Yes (NJC) Gina wrote: "I had to jump in about the band Yes. I don't have to compose anything really good in the way of a post but I did want to say that I saw them in 1978. I was 19 and my boyfriend at the time was a huge Yes fan so we attended a show. Donovan opened up for them and while I expected I would not like Yes, I was in for a huge treat! " Gina- I saw this same tour in 77 with Donovan at the Municipal Aud. in N.O. It was the Going For The One Tour. There is a page dedicated to yes shows with dates and places that is fairly complete. There is also a Yes digest called Notes From The Edge, which was my first online newsletter, Joni came a little later and was my first list. Michael NP-Onward-Yes Tormato(the Japanese Remastered version) Sticking my nose up at Jim who I am never gonna sleep with again Ashara and he's off my Christmas card list as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:08:08 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Michael the Writer Right! (NJC) Kakki wrote: "Michael, I wish you the best in Chicago and hoped you will be hooking back up to the list after you get settled." Michael Y.- I also wish you very well back in Chicago and enjoyed your music reviews here on the list. You inspired me to pick up the Lauren Hill record and even though I still "don't get it" with Lauren, I never would have bought that album. I would like to hear your take on Macy Gray. Have you heard it? It has totally flipped me out. Hear voice is really delicious. Let me know what you think. Michael (considering adding some Yes to my non-Joni set if there is one. Maybe Circus of Heaven for Jim, and Your Move for Mark, Long Distance Runaround/I Get Up I Get Down) NP-On The Silent Wings of Freedom-Yes (what a guitar player Steve!) I will relate my Steve Howe story later in the thread. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:14:29 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Yes Tour Latin America (NJC) Hey WallyK- Heads up! Here is the Yes Latin America tour schedule for September. If I am not mistaken you will be at Joni fest when they are in Argentina. Maybe you can route yourself home thru Rio or something. Good luck. Michael NP-Future Times-Yes (Tormato) September 2 Santiago, Chile Estadio Nacional 3 Buenos Aires, Argentina Obras Sanitarias 4 Buenos Aires, Argentina Obras Sanitarias 6 Porto Alegre, Brazil Ominiao 8 Sao Paulo, Brazil Via Funchal 9 Sao Paulo, Brazil Via Funchal 10 Rio De Janeiro, Brazil Metropolitan 11 Belo Horizonte, Brazil Seraria ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:36:54 PDT From: "Steve Harper" Subject: New England coming down......... (VLJC) Ange wrote (and I hope she won't mind my sharing): "Hey there Steve Harper, So glad you decided to 'ooze' out of 'anonimity'.....really loved your post - - it was fresh and new and jumped right out at me!! So thanks...wish I could say that I was a travelling your way to Provincetown..but alas I live far far away over huge blue seas. Hope u have fun meeting up with some fellow listers! <> this made me :-) smile my little work day away...luv James Taylor, what a gorgeous song! - thanks for reminding me of it. I hope you have a ball at the carnival and that u keep on posting.... <> - please do and while your at it..I'd love to know your fav joni album? For me, it's a toss up between C&S and Hejira..but then I do luv FTR, and then there's Blue..... Catch ya later Steve - - Ange From across the sea" TO WHICH I REPLY....... Hey there, Angela-- thanks for the feedback! Glad my lil' post touched on something for you that day. That's one of the neat things about communicating with so many people at once--we all are going to have our own varying emotional reactions to the ways we put words together--and there are quite a few folks on this list who have a way with their words! New and creative turns of phrase have a way of really sticking with me (not suggesting necessarily that I made any great contribution with MY post : ) ) Sorry it took me a few days to reply--I've been away and disconnected, which has been kind of nice, really. I just returned to Atlanta from New England this evening. What a beautiful place! Now tell me if you think this is corny-- Thursday evening after dinner I walked down to Camden harbor in Maine (where I was staying and where my brother now lives, though not actually in the water, per se). I brought my portable CD player and Barry Manilow's "Weekend in New England" and listened and sang that song, and kind of had what I might call my "New England memory moment." That song (sappy and bombastic as it is) happens to be one of my favorites of that kind of music, and has been since I was, I don't know, eight years old. I remember singing the bridge in the shower: "I feel the change comin' I feel the wind blow! I feel brave and daring, I feel my blood flow!" - --and it did! I'm such a sucker for big feelings and letting it all hang out! (On later contemplation, I really should have been able to figure out I was gay long before I did. Slow learner, I guess! (Not that all men who would like a song like that have to be gay. Right? OOOH, I'm opening a can of worms with that......stay with me, folks.....)) Anyway, back to New England, what struck me about my first visit to the area was that my "vision" of what New England must be like (home of so much wonderful folk music, poetry (Emily Dickinson), subject of that almost mythical song for me) was really no different and no stronger to me from actually being there in the flesh. Not that I didn't feel the wonderful Summertime chill in the air (so different from the South) and see the beauty of the country and get some sense of the spirit of the people, but that a New England exists for me that is only mine; it is a memory of "memories" that I constructed when songs like "Weekend in New England" were so new and revelatory and moving to me, and life seemed to truly FLOW. And I wonder if the most poignant feelings we have as adults are the ones that refer us back to more innocent, childlike times? And on this trip I wondered most specifically when I will find the person with whom to share moments like that one. And, where are you, Angela, so "far, far away across the sea?" Steve Harper of Atlanta, Georgia, USA and recently of Provincetown, Massachusetts and Camden, Maine P.S. As to your request for my Joni favorite, if MAJORDOMO were after me, threatening to reproduce my note a hundred some odd times, I would fend him off with sweet and stout renditions of the tunes from "For the Roses," hoping their organic beauty would somehow sooth the savage CPU! ("I said, send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere!" Damn! that's Court and Spark, isn't it.....see, just goes to show you can't pick just one..... ; ) P.P.S. Thanks for reading, friends! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:44:32 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: Yes, Joni & CDNow (Long) A couple of years ago CD Now use to have a list called "People who bought this artist" and then it would list a bunch of other groups. When Joni came up you would see the typicals, like Dylan, Young, Cohen, CSN, but one that always stood out was YES. Just sort of stood out as different compared to those listed. It didn't seem weird to me it was just the people it stood with and how their styles were a little different. I got into Joni about the same time I got into Yes. She made me lust they made me sweat. She drew pictures and visions they took me on trips. Joni made me understand, Yes made me dream. Oh those were great days. Yes has always been a group I went overboard. In 77 I saw them at the Forum, then the Long Beach arena and drove to see then in Vegas all in about 4 days. Hey, I had a job! Tormato I could stomach, Drama made me wence and I thought I was a Camera. But Union made me vomit, not only the Album but the concert. It was violent, two groups on the same stage that obviously had more tension then musical sense. Anderson's "Olias of Sunhillow" was a cool album, as was Squires "Fish out of Water" Brufords "One of a Kind" and "Feels Good to Me" still ranks as some of my all time favorites. My favorite was seeing the Tales tour: That and Genesis, Lamb Lies Down tour have to rank close to the best "I" have seen. Anderson's voice is awesome, what he does live just blows me away. Most Unhealded Yes albums: "Going for the ONe" Turn of the Century and Awaken are awesome, Seeing Steve Howe playing pedal steel during "Going for the ONe" was a sight to behold. "Talk" Though overall the album was week, Endless Dream ranks amoung some of the best 15 minute songs. I had it cranked once on a lonely stretch of highway only to find out the road wasn't that lonely and a ticket for flying down the road. I sent a letter to their management but they wouldn't pay for the ticket. "Anderson, Wakemen, Bruford and Howe" is not considered a Yes album because Squire bitched about it. To me it was better then anything that was being done without Wakemen, Bruford and Howe. the concert was great, and one of the highlights of the summer for me. Great album that I wish had gotten more support. Lastly, I saw them I think last summer, I see so many concerts now that they run together. they played at the Backyard in Austin, good concert but I was sick. Yes, rocks. and I can proudly say, "I am a Yes Fan!" Peace, Craig NP: Switchfoot ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #377 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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