From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #373 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 373 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- World Party (NJC) [evian ] Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! [Don Sloan ] re: SNL (NJC) [Robert Holliston ] Shared Stages (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] NJC: SNL/Beck ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Chris BOttl mentions Joni ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Joni in the studio ["Paul Castle" ] Evolution - It makes you think! (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: SNL (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Nina Simone (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Nina Simone (SJC) ["Michael Yarbrough" ] Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ [mann@chicagonet.net] Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: "Coyote" availability [Bounced Message ] musak joni [Heather Galli ] Re: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! [Heather Galli ] SNL compilation track listing (NJC) ["Michael Yarbrough" ] Re: Hejira trivia [Don Rowe ] Re: Where I was when... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Evolution - It makes you think! (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] a renegade Joni fan says high [Bounced Message ] Rushmore Music (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Scaredy Cat - NJC [Martin Giles ] RE: Scaredy Cat - NJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: Scaredy Cat - NJC [Heather Galli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:20:16 -0600 From: evian Subject: World Party (NJC) I don't suppose any listers would happen to remember the name of the World Party album with "Ship of Fools" on it? This is one of my favorite songs, and apparently, according to cdnow, every World Party album must be deleted. I had the cassette that has gone missing, but I have a friend who is going to Vancouver, and I want to tell him to search for the cd in used shops, but I can't for the life of me remember the name of the darn thing. If anyone knows, please let me know :) Evian np: "This Corrosion" -- Sisters of Mercy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:00:34 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! As some of you know, I work as a probation officer. This evening I had a couple of 16 year-old Crip gangsters in my office doing casework. While I was looking through their files, they were checking out some stuff on the walls which includes a pic of Joni. One of the guys says, "I know Joni Mitchell, she's cool." To which I responded, "What have you ever heard Joni Mitchell do?" He said, "Nothing, but I know about her." The other kid chimed in, "Me, too." I asked what they knew about her and in unison, almost as if it was planned, they both said, "Joni Mitchell doesn't lie!" Okay, maybe you had to be there, but to hear two otherwise often nasty kids acknowlege Joni like that - well, I laughed my arse off and, needless to say, they both got on my good side. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: SNL (NJC) Jerry offered: "Bernadette Peters singing the infamous touching oneself song" I never saw her do it on SNL, but she reprises the experience for one and all on her live-from-Carnegie Hall CD, Sondheim, Etc. All I can say is yes, Yes, YESSS! ("Oh the sweet, sweet sound of your own breathing as the sky turns pale pink to hot.....") Bob also: "Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during 'Shattered' (I think)" I remember seeing that show, and I'm sure you're right, Bob, but all these years I've thought the song was "Beast of Burden"... Another good number was a duet featuring Linda Ronstadt and Phoebe Snow. Damned if I can remember what the song was, though.... It's always somethin' Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:47:54 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Shared Stages (NJC) Reading the biography of South Carolina s/s Carla Kay Ulbrich on her website I noticed that she had shared the stage with, amongst others, 'Twiggy the water skiing squirrel'. It reminded me of when Shawn Colvin came over here to the UK and at one shopping centre promotional gig, ended up as support act to Mr Blobby - a horrendous pink plastic blow-up man who had a No 1 in the charts that Christmas. Anyone know of any other magical pairings? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:44:08 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: SNL/Beck For many of us thirty/fortysomethings, SNL was the rare opportunity to be exposed to new up and coming musicians. I have followed SNL from the beginning and have to say that the performance that made me want to immediately rush out and buy a cd was Beck singing "Nobody's Fault But My Own," a dreamy song traced by sitars and string arrangements. The music reminds me somewhat of the Doors' "The End." The lyrics are pretty haunting too. "When the moon is a counterfeit," sings Beck, "better find the one that fits, better find the one that lights the way for you." Oh heck, here are the lyrics to the song: "Nobodys Fault But My Own" treated you like a rusty blade a throwaway from an open grave cut you loose from a chain gang and let you go and on the day you said it's true some love holds, some gets used tried to tell you i never knew it could be so sweet who could ever be so cruel, blame the devil for the things you do its such a selfish way to lose the way you lose these wasted Blues these wasted Blues tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own when the moon is a counterfeit better find the one that fits better find the one that lights The way for you when the road is full of nails, garbage pails and darkened jails and their tongues are full of heartless tales that drain on you who would ever notice you you fade into a shaded room it's such a selfish lose the way you lose these wasted blues, these wasted blues tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own tell me that it's nobody's fault nobody's fault but my own... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:53:42 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Chris BOttl mentions Joni Borders is currently carrying a jazz magazine, (Sorry but the name escapes me,) with Chris Botti on the cover. He mentions briefly touring with Joni. -Julie Z. Webb, who is up at 4 AM with the family's new Jack Russell Terrier puppy, who is to die for....he is so cuuuuuuttttteeee. Gotta go, as his teeth are clenched at the hem of my nightgown. He's pulling me to come play. Gotta get him back in that crate asap... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:58 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni in the studio Don Sloan donbvs@lightspeed.net wrote > Vocalizing, *scatting*, picking riffs out on the guitar - >and she said these guys were always amazed at what >Joni came up with. I think probably very little improv > work is done on Joni's recordings - except maybe by > Joni herself :-> And thanks, Mark, via John, for the 'Rhythms' article. I really enjoyed this thread. For me, this has been the revelation of The Hissing Demos - I've always loved those vocal overdubs on her albums, but hearing them in the raw with little instrumentation other than guitar or piano, you realize how mind-blowingly inventive she is. What she calls the 'horn stack' vocal arrangements on this version of 'Edith & the Kingpin' are, well, what can I say? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:52:57 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Evolution - It makes you think! (NJC) Someone just posted this on a UK list I get - an extract (by Gene Weingarten in the Washington Post) of a memo from GOD to the Kansas Board of Education over their decision to eliminate the teaching of 'Evolution' as a 'Science', . - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Memo to: Members of the Kansas Board of Education From: God Re: Your decision to eliminate the teaching of evolution as science. ....You guys were supposed to figure it all out for yourselves, anyway. When you stumble over the truth, you are not supposed to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and proceed on as though nothing had happened. If you find a dinosaur's toe, you're not supposed to look for reasons to call it a croissant. You're not big, drooling idiots. For that, I made dogs. Why do you think there are no fossilized human toes dating from 100 million years ago? Think about it. It's OK if you think. In fact, I prefer it. That's why I like Charlie Darwin. He was always a thinker. Still is. He and I chat frequently. I know a lot of people figure that if man evolved from other organisms, it means I don't exist. I have to admit this is a reasonable assumption and a valid line of thought. I am in favor of thought. I encourage you to pursue this concept with an open mind, and see where it leads you. That's all I have to say right now, except that I'm really cheesed off at laugh tracks on sitcoms, and the NRA, and people who make simple declarative sentences sound like questions? Oh, wait. There's one more thing. Did you read in the newspapers how scientists in Australia dug up some rocks and found fossilized remains of life dating back further than ever before? Primitive, multi-celled animals on Earth nearly 3 billion years ago, when the planet was nothing but roiling muck and ice and fire. And inside those cells was . . . DNA. Incredibly complex strands of chemicals, laced together in a scheme so sophisticated no one yet understands exactly how it works. I wonder who could have thought of something like that, back then. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1999 Washington Post. All rights reserved. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:06:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Evolution - It makes you think! (NJC) Firsst off-dogs are not drooling idots! Unfortunately many owners are. Second-I don't see why evolution strikes God out. In fact it seems even more to imply a 'creator'. Anyone who believes man was created ala adam and eve a few thousand years ago is.... well...... Another point-evolution is still just a theory.....but it makes sense. Watching my puppies and kittens being born is awe inspring...that couldnt have happened by accident...i think something was behind the whole process even if that process started with sludge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:53:26 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: CD Now - Artist of the Millenium Poll and No Joni! Hello all, I just followed Kakki's direction and voted...you can't write in specifically who your "other" vote is for, but "other" is in third place! I hope that's because all of us are voting for Joni. - -Jenny CT Kakki wrote: > > Anyone checked out this new poll/contest from CDNow yet? They have the > temerity to not have listed Joni as a choice! There is, however, an "Other" > option and I suggest we flood their system with our write-in votes! Oh, and > by voting, you are automatically entered in a contest to win GAP jeans and > khakis for life. Here's the link: > > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=gap/from=rex:x:cdn:9825t > > Khaki ;-) > > NP: Country Joe & The Fish - Rock & Soul Music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Where I was when... Even though I've been a Joni fan since the Jurassic Age, Hejira did not bowl me over at first. It took time to grow on me. Of course, I am from the For the Roses camp :-> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:31:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SNL (NJC) > Another good number was a duet featuring Linda Ronstadt and Phoebe Snow. > Damned if I can remember what the song was, though.... Wasn't that 'It's in His Kiss' or 'The Shoop-Shoop Song'? I know I've seen Phoebe & Linda wail away on that one. It was pretty awesome, too! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:50:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nina Simone (SJC) Mark or Travis wrote: > > > I'm still not sure what I think about Nina Simone. Leslie Mixon sent > me a tape that had some selections from 'The Colpix Years' that I like > quite a lot. The arrangements are pretty jazzy and Nina's voice is > pretty smooth. So I bought a Verve disc called 'After Hours'. It's > mostly Nina accompanying herself on piano. There are some songs I > like. 'Images' is sung a cappella and is very powerful and striking. > But the vibrato she uses sometimes is so warbly that it's very hard to > get used to. She does connect emotionally, though, on a level that > very few singers manage to do.Can anyone give me a little perspective > on Nina Simone? I'm intrigued > but not sure I want to buy a lot more or her music. What follows is a very good bio of Nina. As I've told Leslie, I think To Be Young, Gifted, and Black is her best cd. It has 2 great covers of Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Black Is the Color. And the title song is quite rousing. Please remember the time in which Nina made her remark about Joni. It was a time of great radicalism and upheaval for African Americans, just following a period where white artists were making a lot of money off of Black musical backs. And it is still my opinion that anything Charlie Mingus does of his own work is better than any of Joni's interpretations of it. Eunice Kathleen Waymon was born on February 21, 1933 in Tryon, North Carolina, USA., the sixth of eight children, four boys and four girls. Early on in life she revealed a prodigious musical talent playing the piano and singing in the local church with her sisters in their mother's choir. At the age of six, in 1939, a benefactor paid for her first piano lessons. Eunice made so much progress that in 1943, when she was 10, she gave her first piano recital at the town library. There she not only experienced her first applause, but also had her first encounter with racism: during the recital her parents were removed from the first row to accommodate some whites. This episode was a traumatic experience for her and may be the origin of her commitment to the fight for freedom and civil rights. With the financial help of some local supporters, Eunice left North Carolina in 1950 to continue her musical education at the Juilliard School of Music in New York, the same school that Miles Davis attended. After New York her family moved to Philadelphia. She tested for a scholarship at the prestigious Curtis Institute in Philadelphia but was rejected, ostensibly for musical reasons, but probably for her color. Feeling discouraged, in order to support herself and pay for further lessons she became an accompanist for a singing teacher. Later, in 1954, she took a job as a singer-pianist in the Midtown Bar and Grill in Atlantic City, adopting the stage name of Nina Simone. Nina (niņa means "girl" in Spanish) from a pet name that a boyfriend gave her, and Simone (from the French actress Simone Signoret) for its dignified sound. It was at Midtown Bar, where Nina Simone sang, played and improvised, that her career took off. Subsequently she played in several Philadelphia clubs. Recognized as a talented pianist, she was given a recording session with Bethlehem Records in 1957; in this session she records 14 tracks. Simone's first album Jazz as played in an Exclusive Side Street Club (11 tracks), published in 1958 and by then also know as Little Girl Blue, was a great success, first in Philadelphia and New York and then in the whole US. The single released from that recording (featuring "I Loves You Porgy" and "He Needs Me") became a national rhythm & blues (placing 13th) hit in the summer of 1959, selling over a million copies. (Thirty years later, in 1987, "My Baby Just Cares for Me" another selection from the same album, was adopted as the theme for a British television advert for Chanel No 5 perfume, and reached the 5th place on the English pop charts.) Bethlehem make use of the remaining three tracks recorded by Nina for the collective album And Her Friends, published when Nina have already signed with Colpix. Thanks to the success of her first recordings, in 1959 Simone signed with Colpix (Columbia Pictures Records) a collaboration that lasted until 1964. Nina recorded 10 albums while signed to Colpix: six studio and four "live" albums. She recorded some songs of Columbia film soundtracks (including "Wild Is The Wind", "Sayonara", "Samson and Delilah") as well as a new version of the Bethlehem hit "I Loves You Porgy". In 1961 she recorded the traditional song "The House of the Rising Sun". The same song was recorded by Bob Dylan in his debut album, issued in March 1962 and subsequently by the Animals in 1963. In the summer of 1964, "The House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals was at the top of the American and English charts, on the eve of the band's US tour (part of the "British invasion"). In 1961 Nina marries Andy Stroud, a New York detective and in 1962 their daughter Lisa Celeste Stroud is born. In 1964, Nina Simone began her association with Philips, a Mercury subsidiary. This collaboration lasted for three years during which Nina recorded seven albums. One of the first songs recorded during the Philips period is "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood", from then associated with her name. The songs is covered by the Animals in 1965, the same year where Nina publish "I Put a Spell on You", a 1956's song by Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Also this song is immediately covered (August 1965) by the Alan Price Set, the group founded by organist Alan Price after his departures from Animals. During her association with Philips, Nina take the way to the protest song also (after the jazz and black periods) and wrote "Mississippi Goddam!". This is her first song of protest, written after the murders of Medgar Evers in Mississippi (June 1963) and four black schoolchildren in Alabama (September 1963). In 1966 Nina switches to RCA (she will stay until 1974: to date her last long-term affiliation with an American label) a deal negotiated by her husband who acts as her manager and to whom some compositions are credited. From the summer of 1968 through the end of 1969, "all of her recordings were produced by her husband-manager, although we can assume that it was really Nina who was making the final selections of repertoire and essentially masterminding the sessions" according David Nathan. While at RCA Nina records nine albums and some of her most popular songs. Her version of "Ain't Got No/I Got Life", a medley from the 60s musical Hair, gets N. 2 in UK and her soul version of "To Love Somebody" by the Bee Gees get in the Spring of 1969 in the Top 10 British hit. "To Be Young, Gifted And Black", inspired by a play of the same name by Lorraine Hansberry, a friend of Nina, is recorded by Aretha Franklin in 1972. Embittered by racism, Nina renounced her homeland in 1969 and became a wanderer, roaming the world. She lived in Liberia, in Barbados, Switzerland, France, Trinidad, the Netherlands, Belgium and UK at various times. In 1970 she and Stroud split up, and Nina attempt to manage herself and work with her brother Sam Waymon. In 1974 she leaves RCA. In 1978 Nina was arrested, and soon released, for withholding taxes in 1971-73 in protest at her government's undeclared war in Vietnam. The same year she make the LP Baltimore for the CTI label and in 1982 the LP Fodder on my Wings for a Swiss label. In 1985 she records Nina's back and Live and Kickin in US. In 1987 her previously-mentioned European success with "My Baby Just Cares For Me" brought Nina back into the public eye: her music was featured in 1992 movie Point Of No Return, with the lead character using Nina as inspiration. The same year she records Let It Be Me at The Vine Street Bar & Grill in Hollywood for Verve Records. She moved to the southern French town of Bouc-Bel- Air near Aix-en-Provence in 1993. A protest singer; a jazz singer; a pianist; an arranger and a composer, Nina Simone is a great artist who defies easy classification. She is all of these: a jazz-rock-pop-folk-black musician. In fact, we can find her biography in jazz, rock, pop, black and soul literature. Her style and her hits provided many singers and groups with material for hits of their own. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:46:50 PDT From: "Michael Yarbrough" Subject: Re: Nina Simone (SJC) Jerry wrote: <<>> The "remark" was about Dusty, not Joni, and if I remember correctly it involved punching her for "singing Black." Your historical context is appreciated, though, Jerry--white exploitation of black music was (or should I say, is) a very big problem. Nonetheless, I think Dusty was very respectful of the rich tradition on which she drew. I own Nina's _Blues_ CD and it's just wonderful. Includes her versions of "I Shall Be Released" and "Wild is the Wind" (though I slightly prefer Bowie's) and a phenomenal Langston Hughes piece set to her music entitled "Backlash Blues." - --Michael NP: Me'Shell NdegeOcello, _Bitter_, just possibly the album of the year _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:48:38 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ Hi All! The September issue of JAZZIZ magazine has a cover shot of Chris Botti with a 7-page interview inside complete with picutres. Chris was the horn player for Joni's concert here in Chicago. There were a couple of references to Joni in the article. Here's some excerpts: "This fall he'll tour with Sting, and last year, he played in a group backing up another favorite pop musician, Joni Mitchell. Natalie Merchant also hired him. It seems that singers have appreciated his warm, soothing sound and easy way with a phrase" "Jazz media and other outside observers might perceive Botti's solo career so far as another case of a jazzer "gone Hollywood". On 'Slowing Down the World', he uses players from the Los Angeles studio and jazz scenes, including Jeff Lorber, Peter Erskine, bassist-producer Larry Klein (with whom he had worked in Mitchell's band), members of Fourplay, including Bob James, and others." "With his current work, Botti is trafficking in a musical zone where the stylistic equation lens more toward the values of pop than jazz, and the jazz critical consensus isn't likely to be amuzed, or even tolerant. The same skepticism greeted jazz-tinged efforts by Joni Mitchell, reaching a fever pitch with 'Mingus', and also by Sting, whose first post-Police band featured then-rising jazzers like Kenny Kirklad and Branford Marsalis, and was met with critical volleys." "When I play with Joni or Sting or Paul Simon or Natalie Merchant, it's me being myself, and that's why they've developed a relationship with me, and that's what I'm able to do. It's flatering and it's fun and it opens your mind up to ways of writing songs and expressing yourself. Then, when I go to make my own record, it does have an impact." "I got a lot from my relationship with Joni. Even if I never work with her again, I learned a lot from working with her and also her ex-husband, Larry Klein, who produced some stuff on my record. Working with Joni also brought me back to the Harmon mute, which I hadn't used in years. I'd shied away from it because a lot of people put the Hamon mute in to cover up their not-real-sensual sound. And there's a lot more Harmon mute on 'Slowing Down the World, than on my other records, for that reason. " "I remember Joni does the song with the line "There's comfort in melancholy," he says, "When I was with her onstage, I was looking at her, in front of $10,000 people when she sang that line and I thought, "you're exactly right". When Peter Gabriel sings, "Don't Give Up" or when Paul sings, "the Boxer" it's reflective and melancholoy. It's kind of dark, but beautiful at the same time." Hey, Wally........how about an interview with Chris Botti??????? He has lots to say about Joni! For those of you who can't attend JoniFest but want to call in get yourself a free phonecard at: http://www.women-connect-asia.com/index.htm click at the top of the page If you're missing out on Michael's shrimp a can of soup will have to do: http://www.campbellsselect.com/about_you.html $8 off $15 purchase. Free Shipping! Expires 8/31 http://www.1bargainworld.com/ Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:49:06 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ Hi All! The September issue of JAZZIZ magazine has a cover shot of Chris Botti with a 7-page interview inside complete with picutres. Chris was the horn player for Joni's concert here in Chicago. There were a couple of references to Joni in the article. Here's some excerpts: "This fall he'll tour with Sting, and last year, he played in a group backing up another favorite pop musician, Joni Mitchell. Natalie Merchant also hired him. It seems that singers have appreciated his warm, soothing sound and easy way with a phrase" "Jazz media and other outside observers might perceive Botti's solo career so far as another case of a jazzer "gone Hollywood". On 'Slowing Down the World', he uses players from the Los Angeles studio and jazz scenes, including Jeff Lorber, Peter Erskine, bassist-producer Larry Klein (with whom he had worked in Mitchell's band), members of Fourplay, including Bob James, and others." "With his current work, Botti is trafficking in a musical zone where the stylistic equation lens more toward the values of pop than jazz, and the jazz critical consensus isn't likely to be amuzed, or even tolerant. The same skepticism greeted jazz-tinged efforts by Joni Mitchell, reaching a fever pitch with 'Mingus', and also by Sting, whose first post-Police band featured then-rising jazzers like Kenny Kirklad and Branford Marsalis, and was met with critical volleys." "When I play with Joni or Sting or Paul Simon or Natalie Merchant, it's me being myself, and that's why they've developed a relationship with me, and that's what I'm able to do. It's flatering and it's fun and it opens your mind up to ways of writing songs and expressing yourself. Then, when I go to make my own record, it does have an impact." "I got a lot from my relationship with Joni. Even if I never work with her again, I learned a lot from working with her and also her ex-husband, Larry Klein, who produced some stuff on my record. Working with Joni also brought me back to the Harmon mute, which I hadn't used in years. I'd shied away from it because a lot of people put the Hamon mute in to cover up their not-real-sensual sound. And there's a lot more Harmon mute on 'Slowing Down the World, than on my other records, for that reason. " "I remember Joni does the song with the line "There's comfort in melancholy," he says, "When I was with her onstage, I was looking at her, in front of $10,000 people when she sang that line and I thought, "you're exactly right". When Peter Gabriel sings, "Don't Give Up" or when Paul sings, "the Boxer" it's reflective and melancholoy. It's kind of dark, but beautiful at the same time." Hey, Wally........how about an interview with Chris Botti??????? He has lots to say about Joni! For those of you who can't attend JoniFest but want to call in get yourself a free phonecard at: http://www.women-connect-asia.com/index.htm click at the top of the page If you're missing out on Michael's shrimp a can of soup will have to do: http://www.campbellsselect.com/about_you.html $8 off $15 purchase. Free Shipping! Expires 8/31 800.com http://www.1bargainworld.com/ Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:35:42 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: "Coyote" availability From: "Chris Marshall" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:31 BST Jim L'Hommedieu wrote:- >"Coyote" is on the soundtrack "The Last Waltz", 'Hejira', the "Shadows >And Light" concert video, and on the "Shadows And Light" album. These 3 >versions are remarkably similar to each other. If I was being pedantic, I'd point out that Jaco uses many more harmonics on S&L than on the album, and that the cadence of the whole song feels different - more upbeat - on S&L. Not sure which I prefer... depends on my mood. I think I still lean towards the Hejira version. But I'm not a pedant, so I wouldn't have pointed any of that out. Honest :-) Cheers, - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 Roving e-mail: ssi_ltd@hotmail.com Usual e-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:13:59 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: musak joni I was watching a program on HGTV last night. In the background they were playing some 'musak' version of Marcie. Well ...... at least it was Joni's music :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:44:51 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! <> >One of the guys says, "I know Joni Mitchell, she's cool." To which I >responded, "What have you ever heard Joni Mitchell do?" He said, >"Nothing, but I know about her." The other kid chimed in, "Me, too." I >asked what they knew about her and in unison, almost as if it was >planned, they both said, "Joni Mitchell doesn't lie!" > >Okay, maybe you had to be there, but to hear two otherwise often nasty >kids acknowlege Joni like that - well, I laughed my arse off and, >needless to say, they both got on my good side. Hey Don, looks like you could get some converts to Joni here ;-) Make them purchase all Joni's CD's as punishment for any wrong doing ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:42:01 PDT From: "Michael Yarbrough" Subject: SNL compilation track listing (NJC) The full track list for the SNL compilation we've been discussing is at: http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/990827/story3.html Many of the performances mentioned in the thread will be included. My personal faves include Annie Lennox's "Why" and Madonna's wrenching "Bad Girl." - --Michael NP: Basement Jaxx, _Remedy_ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:40:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Hejira trivia Someone may have already mentioned this; in the film "Out of Sight" (G. Clooney, J. Lopez) there is a character named Hejira. He says his name derives from Mohammed's exodus. (It's an okay movie, though pretty forgettable) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Hejira trivia - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Someone may have already mentioned this; in the film > "Out of Sight" (G. Clooney, J. Lopez) there is a > character > named Hejira. He says his name derives from > Mohammed's > exodus. > (It's an okay movie, though pretty forgettable) > > Perhaps the movie would have been better, and much more memorable if the writer had the foresight to explain that the character of Hejira got his name from his mother, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ... I, at least, would have remembered it better that way. ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:15:59 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Where I was when... In a message dated 8/27/99 9:11:49 AM US Central Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Even though I've been a Joni fan since the Jurassic Age, >> Was that before or after the Just Ice Age? :~) Bob NP: Zachary Richard, "J'peux pas m'empecher" (Thanks to my JMDL buddy from the bayou country, Mr. Paz) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:19:28 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution - It makes you think! (NJC) In a message dated 8/27/99 8:09:58 AM US Central Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Second-I don't see why evolution strikes God out. >> I'm with you, Colin - I don't see them as mutually exclusive concepts at all... But I gotta be careful not to say that TOO loudly here in the Bible Belt! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:33:25 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: a renegade Joni fan says high Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:11:58 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Guess who! O.K., times up. It's Bard, 4444, Bradical, Brad. I'm at Jody and Scott's house in Chicago. Here to see the Tom Waits concert tonight. We weren,t able to get tix for the Minneapolis show but we were able to get tix for Chicago. Imagine that! Jody was a little more dilligent than we were. Are youse guys still at each others throats or have you learned to get along? ;-) I wish I was gonna be at Ashara's house. I'd give you all a big hug! Anyway, drinks for all my friends!! (Micky Rourke-'Barfly') And a special hello to my special Joni friends, you know how you are! Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:59:13 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Rushmore Music (NJC) Hello all! Recently rented the movie "Rushmore", which I enjoyed a lot. One of the (many) interesting things is the soundtrack, which is primarily British pop songs of the '60s (no connection to the setting of the movie). It includes some very obscure Kinks, Who and Donovan songs and **two** pre-Mona Bone Jakon Cat Stevens' gems, including "Here Comes My Baby" (1967?). The most well-known song in the whole movie is probably the Stones' "I Am Waiting". All the songs, most of which I'd only ever heard on AM radio or scratchy LPs must have been re- mastered for the movie - they sound gorgeous! Anyone know anything about the director, or why these songs are in the movie? Check it out. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:45:07 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] Message-ID: <37C556EB.3351@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:02:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase References: <2a3a1f84.24f60195@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Kim, I can agree with your fear of letting go of your old favorites to let more in. It's kinda like a fear I have of having any more babies. I have one now, and of course she's my favorite, and I sometimes feel ready, but I'm scared. Scared that there won't be enough time to enjoy them all equally, or enough time to enjoy her as much. Also scared that I won't love them as much as I love her, or that I might love them more. My favorite Joni songs are like kids, I can't imagine what my life was like before I had them. They've grown in depth and meaning to me over the years. But, strangely, the more favorites you add to your repoirtoire, the more your life is enhanced... as a mother of three I'm sure you are happy you didn't stop at one or two! Keep experiencing new Joni, and soon your choice of music while your doing your housework won't be between artists, it will be which Joni CD you want to hear that day. One more thing, I still have alot to experience myself (we're not all Joni EXPERTS, though we like to think so!!) I was stuck where you are not too long ago and have finally started buying new Joni stuff (new to me) and I'm sorry I didn't sooner! Beleive me, you've been depriving yourself-ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEJIRA!!!!Go get it now, I promise you will not be disappointed. Sincerely, Jenny CT RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > > Kim intros and says: > > << I guess I can trust this group. Can I get some suggestions as to what my > 1st > album > (post Court and Spark, I guess-not exactly sure of the chronology) should be > since I'm feeling ready to take the plunge. > Also what album is Coyote on? I heard her sing this in The Last Waltz and it > was awesome >> > > Well, Kim, no one is going to roll their eyes at you here...belated welcome! > > And as for your question - you answered it yourself..."Coyote" is on Hejira, > which is the greatest record of all time by anyone ever and should be your > next purchase! > > Bob, who'll turn 29 again in a month or so... > > NP: Sugarloaf, "I Don't Need You Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:45:40 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Coyote] Message-ID: <37C55D7B.39D2@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:30:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Coyote Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, does anyone remember me mentioning "Steve Hax", my Coyote? I think it was a thread about Amelia and the false alarm. I remember wondering if I would be 80 years old and still crying over him. Anyway, I was visited by him in a dream again last night. In my dream, he breaks into my house and will not leave until I agree to leave my husband and run off with him because he has finally discovered that I was THE GIRL for him and that he can't live without me anymore. As guilty as I felt when I woke up, I found myself wishing I could go back to sleep and keep that dream going. Dreams...and false alarms. - -Jenny CT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:46:09 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] Message-ID: <37C556EB.3351@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:02:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase References: <2a3a1f84.24f60195@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Kim, I can agree with your fear of letting go of your old favorites to let more in. It's kinda like a fear I have of having any more babies. I have one now, and of course she's my favorite, and I sometimes feel ready, but I'm scared. Scared that there won't be enough time to enjoy them all equally, or enough time to enjoy her as much. Also scared that I won't love them as much as I love her, or that I might love them more. My favorite Joni songs are like kids, I can't imagine what my life was like before I had them. They've grown in depth and meaning to me over the years. But, strangely, the more favorites you add to your repoirtoire, the more your life is enhanced... as a mother of three I'm sure you are happy you didn't stop at one or two! Keep experiencing new Joni, and soon your choice of music while your doing your housework won't be between artists, it will be which Joni CD you want to hear that day. One more thing, I still have alot to experience myself (we're not all Joni EXPERTS, though we like to think so!!) I was stuck where you are not too long ago and have finally started buying new Joni stuff (new to me) and I'm sorry I didn't sooner! Beleive me, you've been depriving yourself-ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEJIRA!!!!Go get it now, I promise you will not be disappointed. Sincerely, Jenny CT RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > > Kim intros and says: > > << I guess I can trust this group. Can I get some suggestions as to what my > 1st > album > (post Court and Spark, I guess-not exactly sure of the chronology) should be > since I'm feeling ready to take the plunge. > Also what album is Coyote on? I heard her sing this in The Last Waltz and it > was awesome >> > > Well, Kim, no one is going to roll their eyes at you here...belated welcome! > > And as for your question - you answered it yourself..."Coyote" is on Hejira, > which is the greatest record of all time by anyone ever and should be your > next purchase! > > Bob, who'll turn 29 again in a month or so... > > NP: Sugarloaf, "I Don't Need You Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:49:00 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Question about S&L Kate Tarasenko asked: < Are there two different videos for "Shadows and Light," one being a concert video, and another a "conceptual"/music-type video? Or is it one and the same?> My (very recent) copy of the video is all live music and nearly all live footage.With exceptions. The intro audio is a collage of the live band, the soundtrack from 'Rebel Without A Cause' and 'Juvenile Delinquent' and the picture is of the last two. Coyote cuts back and forth between live footage and 'conceptual'. As does Amelia and Dry Cleaner From Des Moines. Hejira is a conceptual video showing Joni and another skater/dancer on and ice rink. I have a similar question though. Is there another version of the video? It has a different running order than my HDCD version (which is the same as the original vinyl release). My video differs from the album in that it has lost Don's Solo, God Must Be A Boogie Man, Woodstock and I think something else that I can't remember off-hand. It has gained Jaco's solo (fabulous) and Raised On Robbery (very ropey). Any other versions out there? All the best, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:51 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Scaredy Cat - NJC You know, in this country, it's about the most uncool thing you can do to admit to liking Yes. It's gratifying to actually find a fellow fan!! I went to see Yes, probably on the same tour as you, where everyone (minus Patrick Moraz) was on stage. It was a great concert, mainly because of all the old stuff they played. I agree with you about Steve Howe's superiority to Trevor Rabin. Rabin did a guitar solo in the middle which consisted entirely of show-off technique demonstrations, tapping and pulling and widdly-widdling. It went on for about ten minutes and didn't have a single musical idea from beginning to end. What I love about Steve Howe, on the other hand, is he seems to be almost exploding with musical ideas, and sometimes can't get them out fast enough. I loved your story about Rick Wakeman. He is a fabulous player, and as you say, puts his whole being into his playing. He recently recorded his 'Return To The Centre Of The Earth' album at CTS where I work. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to work with him on that project, but have worked with him occasionally in the past. He is one of the funniest poeple I have ever met - it's actually hard to work with him because he is constantly cracking you up with the funniest stories. It's very easy to lose your concentration. Martin. Siresorrow wrote: >the last time i saw yes i saw a really cool thing. they were playing in > > cleveland in maybe 1989 or 90 in the round and i scored some second row > seats. they had the whole band on that tour including both steve howe and > trevor rabin. i have always liked steve howe more. anyway they played the > whole album of close to the edge in sequence. > > during close to the edge, there is a big time keyboard solo in the third part > of the song and rick wakeman was appropaching that solo and was playing with > his left hand. his right hand was dangling down at his side and it was > shaking back and forth. it looked like he was sick or something like having > a seizure. > > well, as the solo progressed he lifted his right hand still shaking > vigorously and started playing in exactly the same shake pattern on the > keyboards. > > so the shake was only his pre build up for the solo. and it was a long build > up. maybe 30 or 40 seconds. it was as if his whole being went into the > solo. a totally human experience. it was really cool to see. > > the other thing i remember was my chest shaking for like two days afterward > because of squire's bass. it went down deep into my chest cavity and stayed > there like a heart murmur. that was wild. > > yes had a very physical element to their sound. > ss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:17:18 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Scaredy Cat - NJC Martin, It's uncool to like Yes in the United Kingdom? (This from the country that gave us Cornish pasties and blood pudding!) Well, if that's the case, then we Americans should retaliate. How about it guys, should we all declare Jethro Tull uncool over here? Seriously, Rick Wakeman's "Six Wives of Henry VIII" is in my top ten albums of all time -- a beauty and an inspiration. Second only to Joni, I love to cover Yes songs, rearranged for the harp, of course. They always go over very well. And Jon Anderson has such a lovely voice -- something for the rest of us tenors of the world to emulate. Good to know there are other fans of both Yes and Joni out there. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:37:26 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Scaredy Cat - NJC I have to jump in here about YES. I've been a follower for years (me and the hubby) and we have every YES work on CD (plus individual works by Howe, Wakeman, Squire, Anderson, Bruford). Steve Howe is superb! I like Alan White as well as Bill Bruford. Each has an interesting style. And yes, Chris Squire's bass playing stays with one quite a while afterwards :-) I also saw the Union tour (in the round). It was the first concert my daughter and I went to together. What a cool Mom, eh? My daughter was impressed with the show. If I'm not mistaken, Rick Wakeman is a classical trained pianist. Six Wives of Henry the 8th comes to mind as an example of his fluidness on the keyboards. I loved the description of him working his hand before playing. As I was reading your description, I was thinking "ah ... he's building up to playing the next part! It is really neat that you got to witness that! Whenever I see a YES show, I can always expect perfection. I don't know how much longer Jon Anderson's voice will last tho ;-) I also like the lyrics to their songs. Talk about impressionistic! Maybe there is a common thread between folks who like Joni and YES. Good lyrics, professionalism .... just my 0.02 Heather PS - I highly reccomend anything by Bill Bruford's Earthworks. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #373 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?