From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #368 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 368 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fave Opening Tracks [Joseph Palis ] dolphins playing in a milk chocolate sea (SJC) [CarltonCT@aol.com] Sheep-Dip Diane from Dunedin (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: New Releases NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] RE: gurrrrrrrrits njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Blue (Heron) NJC (sort of long, sorry) [Ginamu@aol.com] Another new release NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC More Carole King ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Opening tracks ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Dar Williams (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: [Fwd: Re: New Releases] [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Fave Opening Tracks [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Dar Williams (njc) [Deb Messling ] RE: Comments on Lakota njc [Anne Rickaby ] RE: Opening tracks [Anne Rickaby ] (NJC) My head is swimming... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Bob.Muller@flu] Re: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] (NJC) SNL [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: (NJC) SNL ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] 8/25/69 [Steve Dulson ] Re: (NJC) SNL [lisa durfee ] Randy Newman NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: NJC More Carole King [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Dar Williams (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Newport Folk festival? [Steve Dulson ] Re: Newport Folk festival? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC [Heather Galli ] Joni dulcimer? [Steve Dulson ] RE: Virgos NJC [Heather Galli ] Re: Another new release NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: (NJC) SNL [Randy Remote ] Re: (NJC) My head is swimming... [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Martinis (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Martinis (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] A funny bit ... (NJC) [Don Rowe ] re: Opening tracks [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC RE: Opening tracks [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Opening tracks [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: 8/25/69 ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:38:19 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Fave Opening Tracks All of Joni's albums are cohesive that sometimes I'm a bit hesitant to give a selection of Joni songs to friends because some songs are so integrated towards the album it was included. Anyway, I just thought that opening songs in records usually set the tone of the whole album's concept. In my view, my favorite opening tracks are: Joni albums: (1) Coyote (2) In France They Kiss on Main Street non-Joni albums: (1) Talkin' `Bout a Revolution (Tracy Chapman's debut) (2) Have You Heard (Pat Metheny's "The Road To You") (3) Rollercoaster (Everything But The Girl's "Amplified Heart") Joseph np: June Tabor's "I Want to Vanish" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:42:18 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: dolphins playing in a milk chocolate sea (SJC) For all of those on their way to Joni-fest, you will discover that your hostess, Ashara, is as warm and sweet as Toll House cookies fresh from the oven. She's also got a creamy complexion, Bette Davis eyes, and like Kakki, my sister Jill, and many ladies of the JMDL, she has a great sense of style and is a wearer of interesting jewelry. Ashara has a gold dolphin wrapped around one finger, and dolphins made from milk chocolate in her purse. She also wears something like the Proctor and Gamble logo around her neck. We had a wonderful dinner with Steve D, Michelle, Ken C. and Kakki. We pondered, what does it say about a person if he eat's his chocolate dolphin's tail or head first? A good question for Dr. Mondegreen. Kakki, thanks for listening to my tape, and thank you for calling my songs excellent! Hoping to get to Joni-fest, Clark np: Pat Metheny, New Chautauqua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:36:32 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Sheep-Dip Diane from Dunedin (NJC) Janet Field at janetf@bigpond.com.kh wrote: > I'd say she would either be a bit of > a dag or else she'd be totally toxic. > One to give a wide berth to, I'd've > thought! (Keeping left at all times). 'Totally toxic' is spot on! I worked in an open-planned office with Sheep-Dip, a young Kiwi girl not long in London. She had many little kiwi colloquialisms that we found amusing but perhaps the most memorable, usually when someone (me) was mimicing her accent, she would point one of her fingers in the air and say "sit on it and rotate". A part of me still loves her. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:51:47 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: New Releases NJC In a message dated 8/25/99 1:26:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ddietz@erols.com writes: << Gina, I haven't aquired a taste for Randy Newman's pop music, but he has done two soundtracks (maybe more) that I really thing are on par with any other "serious composer"'s soundtracks- "Awakenings" from 1991 with Robert DeNiro, and Robin Williams- both who I think should have won Oscars for their performances... and "Avalon" from 1990 which I haven't seen, but have the soundtrack as well. Both are excellent. If you'd like a copy, I'd be happy to share the music. It is worth sharing. Ever lurking... Brad P.s If the pop music Randy Newman isn't the soundtrack composer Rany Newman, the joke's on me... Anyone? >> Hi Brad, Thanks for writing and for your generous offer to share the music. I'm glad to hear from you again after so long! Yes, Randy Newman does do a lot of movie scores so I think we're talking about the same one, though I'm not familiar with that facet of his career. Truthfully, I'm not very familiar with Randy Newman's work at all. I've had an interest in exploring it for some years but he remains on the list of many whose work I feel that way about. I'm always interested in new releases from established artists and this one by Randy Newman may very well be the incentive I've needed to get into his work more. Someone else emailed me about Newman's new release, which is called Bad Love, saying it's fantastic. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:06:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: gurrrrrrrrits njc wow! garlic plus grits? this is getting yummier all the time!!!! wally\k >Has anyone ever had garlic cheese grits? My mother used to make it all the >time and it was absolutely delicious. It had the best consistency gritwise. > >Victor > >NP: CLouds still... > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:22:06 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Blue (Heron) NJC (sort of long, sorry) Today I performed what my children consider to be a heroic act! While walking with my dog in the fields behind my house, I came upon an injured great blue heron near the pond (huge bird with at *least* a three foot wingspan and an eight inch bill). Charlie, my dog, lunged and barked once and then remained silent as if in awe, as I was. We were about 10 feet from it. It appeared to have an injured wing and leg and hobbled away a few feet. I returned to the house and with two girls and a plastic trash can and some gardening gloves in tow, we proceeded to rescue it. By the time we returned, it had hobbled a bit further and as I approached it, it fell into a small embankment and onto some thick briars. It was no small task to gently pick it up without hurting it. I put on a long sleeve shirt to protect my arms in case, but I wore shorts and scratched the hell out of my legs. We laid in on it's side in the trash can and lifted the can sideways, transporting it back to the house, about a 1/8 of a mile away. It's still sitting in the safety of the dog kennel in the back yard, which never gets used by our dog. And there it has remained all night and looking weak but alert. Marlin Perkins eat your heart out! My efforts to get someone to come and take this bird and care for it have so far been unsuccessful. The wildlife and fisheries people are terribly underfunded. Audabon Society was totally useless and actually gave me many false leads. My hope is that a local woman who cares for birds will call me back this morning. My girls and I were so sad to see such a large and majestic bird rendered so vulnerable by its injury and now captive in my back yard. But if we hadn't rescued it, the hawks and coyotes certainty would have preyed on it. Such are the laws of nature, I guess, but there are so few of these birds left around here. I had a dream last night about this experience which was partially inspired by the Marquez short story The Old Man With Enormous Wings. In my dream, the bird transformed into a very thin man in a blue spandex unitard. He sort of looked like a cross between Iggy Pop and Marilyn Manson (yuck!) and he played a harmonica, though I don't recall any familiar tunes. Do either Iggy Pop or Marylin Manson play harmonica??? The girls named the heron Big Blue. So, please send get well wishes, cards and gifts. Sorry for the indulgence. Gina NPIMH: Blue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:30:07 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Another new release NJC I heard a cut from a new compilation by David Byrne called Red Hot And Lisbon, which features music from Brasil, Portugal and other Portuguese speaking countries from around the globe. The cut I heard was a duet with David Byrne but I don't know who the other artist was. It sounded fabulous. I really loved DB's Brasil Classics compilation, which turned me into a Gilberto Gil fan. This is a "must have" for me and I'm really looking forward to it! Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:44:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC More Carole King Bob wrote: >"It's Too Late" was a HUGE hit for Carole. You couldn't turn the radio on >that summer without hearing it. Don't know who else recorded it as far as >the hit parade was concerned (and please no one mention the dreadful >tribute record of a couple years ago). I'll mention it if only to say "Oooh, yuck! Rod Stewart?!" >"I Feel the Earth Move" was also her hit. >"You've Got a Friend" was JT's hit, but her recording came first, and she >sings backup vocals on his recording... > >If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'! How are you feeling? I have a feeling you might be a bit poorly by now! Sorry to contradict you, but backup vocals on James Taylor's recording of "You've Got A Friend" were sung by the man himself, and the wonderful Joni (accordingly to my old vinyl copy - with the wonderful photo of James in "those" braces/suspenders)! Carole did a lot of work on his album (Mud Slide Slim & The Blue Horizon) - piano on 7 out of 13 tracks, and back-up vocals on one - "Mud Slide Slim" (as he did on "Tapestry"). Carole has said that she felt that the two albums were like one double-album - recorded at the same time, in the same street/block. Joni sang backup on 3 tracks - "Long Ago And Far Away" is one of the most beautiful songs you'll ever hear (IMHO)! I agree that "Tapestry" was definitely Carole's album. Others may have recorded a couple of songs prior to it's release, but my feeling is that "Tapestry" is where Carole stood up and said "Here you go - I wrote these songs (ie. they're MINE), and I can sing them just as well, if not better, than anyone else!" Helen - owner of 19 Carole King albums, and one video! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:46:50 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? Mark said: >Maybe our Joan saw this episode when writing Sex Kills??? Then Bob said: >And then she watched a rerun of same and wrote Fiction... >(Which way to go? Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief) I always thought this was a "bastardisation" (for want of a better word) of the old children's rhyme: Tinker, tailor, soldier, spy Rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief Helen NP - James Taylor - You Can Close Your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:56:48 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) WallyK wrote: >funny. i went along more or less the same path. classical music led me to >the carpenters. the carpenters to carole king. carole king to carly simon. >then i came to an impasse: i needed more music by women but less pop. and i >wanted words that i could relate to. >i could've dropped women songwriters at this point and taken up dylan. but i >came across the lyrics to the last time i saw richard and i was lost to >joni. until today, i haven't listened to bob dylan. joni took all the room. Same thing for me. Started with Carole (Xmas 1978 at age 12 - you don't need to work it out - I'm now 33!), then noticed this guy "James Taylor" sang/played on Tapestry. Then noticed that this "Joni Mitchell" woman played on both of them, and the rest is history! Picked up a few extras on the way like CSN (thank God!) Dylan, Doors, Bonnie Raitt, etc. but even through the worst times - and I'll be specific - in the early-mid 80's when I had a complete rebellion and bought (God help me!) top 20 crap (and believe me, the singles charts in NZ in the 80's were not pretty), I still went back to Joni time and time again. Case in point - I rid myself of all the rubbish at a second-hand record shop a few years later, and in exchange, walked away with 3 Joni, a CSN, and a Neil Young - all second-hand and still going strong 10 years later! Helen NP - the hum of the computer fan, and a police chase up my street! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:03:34 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) Catgirl wrote: >If you love Tapestry you will really love Rhymes and Reasons. It is my >favorite by her. She really shows her excellent song writing capabilities >there! Amen to that! "Rhymes and Reasons" is also my favourite Carole album. It's almost more laid-back - if that's possible! - than Tapestry (which I also love) but there are some wonderful tracks there - "Been To Canaan" will blow you away! And if you like Tapestry, you should also check out James Taylor's "Mud Slide Slim & The Blue Horizon". As I've said in another post, it was recorded at the same time as Tapestry, has a lot of the same musicians on it (including our beloved Joni) and does feel/sound (IMO) like an extension of the same album. It's well worth a listen! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:53:44 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Sheep-Dip Diane from Dunedin (NJC) Janet - LOL - after yesterday's 24-hour giggling fit I've reached the 'hysterical' phase today. I expect a total eclipse tomorrow at which point I'll probably self-combust!! I just know the other Brits here are just going to scream to hear that 'Sit on it and rotate' is the equivalent of saying 'Rule Britannia'. Thanks! I needed that. Another step closer to self-combustion! Love PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:56:46 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) > Howard Wright wrote: > > > Also, I think the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and Joni just > > did the words and melody, so there may not have been a "Joni guitar part" > > in the usual sense. Phyliss wrote: > Sorry Howard but after hearing the HOSL demo tape I can safely say you are > wrong. This tape is almost exclusively only Joni and her guitar and/or > piano. She even sings some of the riffs that are played by other musicians on > the actual released recordings. That album is totally Joni. I suspect that > she sang or played to the other musicians on the guitar what she wanted them > to do with their instruments. I say this because she has mentioned in > interviews that she has done this before. Just to clear up any confusion - in the quote above I was talking about the track HOSL, not the album. Thanks to Kakki for checking up - the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and James Taylor is the guitarist on this one. The rest of the album is, of course, 99% Joni! Phyliss' comments sparked off a few very interesting quotes and references to Joni's studio recording style. It was great to read these, and I think we're very lucky to be able to hear stuff like the HOSL demo which gives us an insight into her recording style, and really underlines just what a creative and experimental woman Joni was ... and is! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:19:04 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Opening tracks Takats, Angela wrote: > > Hey there Bob, thanks for your post... > > I never really liked TA that much, it didn't 'jump out' at me as a joni fav > ... but lately I've been looking closer at the poetry in Joni's work and I > really like some of the images that she paints so delicately for us in this > song... > > "varnished weeds in window jars > tarnished beads on tapestries > kept in satin boxes are > reflections of loves memories" (sorry if this isn't right word for word) > > I think this is pretty ... she sings it so sadly, she's lost so much..it's a > song of mourning to me. Isn't it great to "discover" one of her songs for the first time after hearing it over a hundred??? She does the same thing to me! - -Jenny CT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:52:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dar Williams (njc) Terri Forte wrote: > Hi. I recently discovered the Dar Williams cd "Mortal City" and I love > it. Any recommendations on a next cd of hers to buy? > > Thanks > Terri in SLC End of the Summer. And if you've got a few coins extra, Cry Cry Cry. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:04:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: New Releases] Thunderthumbs wrote: > Subject: Re: New Releases > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:15:07 -0400 > From: Thunderthumbs > To: Ginamu@aol.com > > Gina, > I haven't aquired a taste for Randy Newman's pop music, but he has > done two soundtracks (maybe more) that I really thing are on par with > any other "serious composer"'s soundtracks- "Awakenings" from 1991 with > Robert DeNiro, and Robin Williams- both who I think should have won > Oscars for their performances... and "Avalon" from 1990 which I haven't > seen, but have the soundtrack as well. Both are excellent. If you'd like > a copy, I'd be happy to share the music. It is worth sharing. > Ever lurking... > Brad > P.s If the pop music Randy Newman isn't the soundtrack composer Rany > Newman, the joke's on me... Anyone? Oh, yes. And with a pedigree. He is the nephew of Alfred and Lionel Newman the great movie composers and arrangers. And Randy did Toy Story. For a good sampling of Randy's talent check out his Faust. Has JT, Linda Ronstadt, Bonnie Raitt, Elton John, and others on it. Excellent. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:05:28 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Fave Opening Tracks My fave opening song was This Flight Tonight which she used to start her shows with in the early '70's but then decided not to include it on MOA, much to my disappointment.. philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:41:47 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Dar Williams (njc) I would vote for The Honesty Room. I would put the songs on that LP on the same plain as Joni's, in their directness and poignancy. At 06:52 PM 8/24/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hi. I recently discovered the Dar Williams cd "Mortal City" and I love >it. Any recommendations on a next cd of hers to buy? > >Thanks >Terri in SLC > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:50:26 -0400 From: Anne Rickaby Subject: RE: Comments on Lakota njc I've done a fair amount of reading about Lakota culture (but certainly don't claim to be an expert). So, I've always thought the line "pity me" was not directed at another human being, but rather at the four winds, mother earth and father sky. To me, it says "I am small in the vast scheme of things." Kind of like "chicken scratching for my immortality..." - -----Original Message----- From: CaTGirl627@aol.com [mailto:CaTGirl627@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:41 PM To: M.Russell@iaea.org; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Comments on Lakota njc In a message dated 8/23/1999 7:59:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << I have always felt uncomfortable with the words "pity me", I guess because I have trouble with the word "pity" - it has a negative connotation for me. I am wondering if anyone has thought much about this song. Does the Lakota language have a special word that translates to "pity" that is part of a religious ceremony or something? Because the song seems to be like a prayer to sun, moon, rocks, grass, etc. Is the meaning more like "have mercy on me" or "help me"? >> I am glad that you brought that up. I for one love the song but have a problem with Pity Me as well. Maybe it means that the natives people are so devasted with all their loss that they want all their surroundings to take pity on them for being so overwhelmed with pain from all the loss of relatives, loved ones and land. I have a map of the USA way befor the white man took it over and every part of that country had a tribe or nation living there and then the white man came and took it all away. They have alot to be pitied for and maybe that is the point of the song. When your whole way of life is ripped out of your heart their is not much left..... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:00:36 -0400 From: Anne Rickaby Subject: RE: Opening tracks I always thought "Tin Angel" (the title anyway) was sort of a play on "Teen Angel" - in which Joni refers to her teenage years, but here she is in New York, yeah she's found someone to love, but she's all too familiar with "love's illusions" - hence the sorrowful tone of the song... anne in cambridge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:00:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: (NJC) My head is swimming... David was spinning: <> Holy cow! I figured I was the only one who'd ever have a SPQ record as an NP!?! They used to always put on a great live show too! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:49:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Don shared: <> Thanks for sharing Don, and please share more!! Henry's name pops up as Engineer on all those Joni records, but he rarely gets mentioned here...surely there's a wealth of untapped information there. Bob NP: The Chesterfield Kings, "You Better Look Now" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:44:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) Mark said: <> It's interesting to hear the paths everyone took to get to Joni, and what their first "important" purchase was. I grew up with show tunes and big band, my first purchases were all "Greatest Hits" (I was convinced I had to know and like EVERY song on a record before I plunked down cash for it). After Jim Croce, American Graffiti soundtrack, and Elton's Greatest Hits, I bought the Doobies' "Vices & Habits" which was the first non-greatest album I bought. Now how that all eventually led me Joni I can only guess, I'm just glad that it did! Bob NP: Stones, "Something Happened to Me Yesterday" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:07:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: (NJC) SNL Attached is an article about an upcoming release of classic SNL music over the 25 years. My favorite SNL music memories: 1. Rickie Lee Jones doing "Coolsville" instead of "Danny's All Star Joint" 2. Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo 3. Patti Smith doing "Gloria" and my Dad watching it with me saying "what the hell is that?" 4. Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during "Shattered" (I think) Any others? Bob *************************************************************************** ***** 'SNL' CDs mix stars, obscurities By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY Live from New York, it's 30 pop music highlights from the stage of Saturday Night Live. In the past 25 years, the comedy-sketch show that spawned the Blues Brothers has played host to 600 musical acts, ranging from cutting-edge to avant-garde to old-school. On Sept. 21, 30 of those segments become available for the first time on two CDs, sold separately. While SNL milked music for laughs - remember Steve Martin's King Tut and Bill Murray's lounge-lizard shtick? - the show also spotlighted rising stars, legends and worthy obscurities. Volumes 1 and 2 of Saturday Night Live: The Musical Performances are split roughly between boomer favorites (Paul Simon, Sting, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Billy Joel, Randy Newman) and Gen-X heroes (Nirvana, Neil Young, R.E.M., Beck, TLC, Mary J. Blige, Green Day). Future volumes will present musical comedy and esoteric fare drawing from deep vaults containing jazz vocalist Betty Carter, punk poetess Patti Smith, rap act Public Enemy, country crooner Dwight Yoakam, tenor Luciano Pavarotti and saxophone great Ornette Coleman in his only network appearance. "To launch the franchise, we decided to go for the throat, to feature some of the most familiar performances," says Michael Ostin of DreamWorks Records. He co-produced the CDs with SNL music talent coordinator Ryan Shiraki. "These two albums and the ones to follow will capture the best of the last three decades. They're little slices of musical history." In SNL's early days, rock 'n' roll was considered inappropriate for television, and live pop was a boob-tube rarity. The show dared to deem rockers ready for prime time, with many acts enlisted at the urging of the cast. Al Franken persuaded dubious SNL producer Lorne Michaels to book the Grateful Dead, who submit Casey Jones on Volume 1. That collection also captures Elvis Costello, a last-minute replacement for the Sex Pistols, abruptly switching gears from the ballad Alison (sic), which was sanctioned by his label, to the rowdy Radio, Radio, a slap at the music industry. SNL celebrates its 25th anniversary Sept. 26 with a 21/2-hour prime-time retrospective on NBC. -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during "Shattered" (I > think) > > Any others? > > Bob > *************************************************************************** > ***** > > 'SNL' CDs mix stars, obscurities > > By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY > > Live from New York, it's 30 pop music highlights from the stage of Saturday > Night Live. > > > > In the past 25 years, the comedy-sketch show that spawned the Blues > Brothers has played host to 600 musical acts, ranging from cutting-edge > to avant-garde to > old-school. On Sept. 21, 30 of those segments become available for the > first time on two CDs, sold separately. > > While SNL milked music for laughs - remember Steve Martin's King Tut and > Bill Murray's lounge-lizard shtick? - the show also spotlighted rising > stars, legends and worthy obscurities. Volumes 1 and 2 of Saturday Night > Live: The Musical Performances are split roughly between boomer favorites > (Paul Simon, Sting, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Billy Joel, Randy Newman) and > Gen-X heroes (Nirvana, Neil Young, R.E.M., Beck, TLC, Mary J. Blige, Green > Day). > > Future volumes will present musical comedy and esoteric fare drawing from > deep vaults containing jazz vocalist Betty Carter, punk poetess Patti > Smith, rap act Public Enemy, country crooner Dwight Yoakam, tenor Luciano > Pavarotti and saxophone great Ornette Coleman in his only network > appearance. > > "To launch the franchise, we decided to go for the throat, to feature some > of the most familiar performances," says Michael Ostin of DreamWorks > Records. He co-produced the CDs with SNL music talent coordinator Ryan > Shiraki. "These two albums and the ones to follow will capture the best of > the last three decades. They're little slices of musical history." > > In SNL's early days, rock 'n' roll was considered inappropriate for > television, and live pop was a boob-tube rarity. The show dared to deem > rockers ready for prime time, with many acts enlisted at the urging of the > cast. Al Franken persuaded dubious SNL producer Lorne Michaels to book the > Grateful Dead, who submit Casey Jones on Volume 1. That collection also > captures Elvis Costello, a last-minute replacement for the Sex Pistols, > abruptly switching gears from the ballad Alison (sic), which was sanctioned > by his label, to the rowdy Radio, Radio, a slap at the music industry. > > SNL celebrates its 25th anniversary Sept. 26 with a 21/2-hour prime-time > retrospective on NBC. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. 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Having just received my first solicitation from AARP (a "senior citizens" organization for you non-USers) you have to allow me to gloat once in awhile...it's one of the few pleasures I have left!) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:09:41 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: Re: (NJC) SNL Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Attached is an article about an upcoming release of classic SNL music over > the 25 years. > My favorite SNL music memories: > > 1. Rickie Lee Jones doing "Coolsville" instead of "Danny's All Star Joint" > 2. Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo > 3. Patti Smith doing "Gloria" and my Dad watching it with me saying "what > the hell is that?" > 4. Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during "Shattered" (I > think) > > Any others? Stevie Wonder- Overjoyed liså D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:07:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Randy Newman NJC Gina said: <> Gina, Randy Newman is an immense talent. His voice is an acquired taste, but once you acquire it, it's worthwhile to be sure. 12 Songs, Sail Away, Good Old Boys are all classics and among his early works. I've always been a big fan of Little Criminals which featured his biggest hit to date "Short People". Born Again was another favorite of mine although it wasn't well-received. I also intend to pick up Bad Love, as a matter of fact I was going to get it last week but went for the Macy Gray and new Santana instead...all I've heard so far is "I'm Dead, but I don't know it" which is deliciously Newman-esque... Bob NP: Stones, "I Got the Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:15:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC More Carole King Nurse Helen asks: <> Are you kidding me? After all the praise tossed my way after the "bowels of majordomo", I'm floating on a cloud! Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no it's...PARODYMAN! :~) << Sorry to contradict you, but backup vocals on James Taylor's recording of "You've Got A Friend" were sung by the man himself, and the wonderful Joni (accordingly to my old vinyl copy - with the wonderful photo of James in "those" braces/suspenders)! Carole did a lot of work on his album (Mud Slide Slim & The Blue Horizon) - piano on 7 out of 13 tracks, and back-up vocals on one - "Mud Slide Slim" (as he did on "Tapestry"). >> Don't be sorry, thanks for the clarification...I knew Carole performed on the record, and guessed that she helped on "You've Got a Friend" - I didn't have access to the record at the time like some people I know! :~) And the Joni-James duet on "Long Ago & Far Away" is one of the prettiest duets ever recorded IMO...you can really tell those two were in love! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:26:53 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dar Williams (NJC) Terri in SLC wrote: >Hi. I recently discovered the Dar Williams cd "Mortal City" and I love >it. Any recommendations on a next cd of hers to buy? Try "Cry Cry Cry" the CD she did with Richard Shindell and Lucy Kaplansky, then "The Honesty Room". My $0.02. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:29:46 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Newport Folk festival? Marcel in SF wrote: >How did she get the gig at the Newport >Folk festival? I think that one was covered fairly recently...didn't Al Kooper introduce her to Judy Collins, who dragged her up to Newport *that day* and got her a performing slot? Judy was on the festival board, I think, and had some pull. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Newport Folk festival? On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Steve Dulson wrote: > >How did she get the gig at the Newport > >Folk festival? > > I think that one was covered fairly recently...didn't Al Kooper > introduce her to Judy Collins, who dragged her up to Newport *that > day* and got her a performing slot? Judy was on the festival board, > I think, and had some pull. Take that all you Judy bashers! Jerry :> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:33:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) SNL Bob writes: << My favorite SNL music memories: 1. Rickie Lee Jones doing "Coolsville" instead of "Danny's All Star Joint" 2. Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo 3. Patti Smith doing "Gloria" and my Dad watching it with me saying "what the hell is that?" 4. Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during "Shattered" (I think) Any others? Bob >> Well, besides one that Bob mentioned (Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo), another of my favorites (because they were one of my favorite groups back in the late 70's, early 80's) was during a Christmas show featuring The Roches singing Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:42:52 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: Re: (NJC)ME'SHELL mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > Me'Shell NdegeOcello--phunky bassist with a drizzly chocolate > voice that moves easily between spoken word, quasi-rap, and alto > singing. .......... > and sounds like a surefire bet for Joni fans. ...... > .... she will also be performing on the Tonight Show next Wednesday. hey, Thats tonight! I knew I saved this post for a good reason. liså D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:49:23 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC >What are grits? > >That's an easy one. Grits are hominy. Isn't that much clearer now! > gee, i can sing harmony sometimes but ....... oh! hominy ..... never mind :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:55:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni dulcimer? Pat Henry wrote: >I recall the first time I ever laid eyes on a dulcimer... rosewood, I >think it >was... sitting in Joni's lap. ...and man did it just sound as >sweet as honey >with my roadworn, battered old martin D28! Pat, can you take a guess as to when this was? Reason I ask, we have Joellen Lapidus's story of how she sold Joni her first dulcimer at the Big Sur Folk Festival in 1967. However...I heard a story some years ago of Joni demo-ing "Both Sides Now", on dulcimer, to some musicians in a club (who turned it down!) before Judy or Dave recorded it. So I'm wondering if she was fooling around with a dulcimer (maybe borrowed?) before she acquired an instrument from Joellen. Hmmm....then again, a woman I was at school with in 1969 bought a dulcimer from McCabes which was sold to her as "Joni Mitchell's old dulcimer", and I always figured Joni sold it when she got Joellen's beautiful creation. Anyway, I'd appreciate any input on Joni playing dulcimer before her move to the west coast. For the roses, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:53:02 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: RE: Virgos NJC >>Mary P. >> >>P.S. Just had to say: it's not only the Leos who are celebrating secret >>birthdays this week (smiling coyly ;-) ). Yes, it's time for Virgos to come out! Sept. 20th here. All Virgos unite .... and celebrate!!!! :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:59:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Another new release NJC Gina writes" << I heard a cut from a new compilation by David Byrne called Red Hot And Lisbon, which features music from Brasil, Portugal and other Portuguese speaking countries from around the globe. The cut I heard was a duet with David Byrne but I don't know who the other artist was. It sounded fabulous. >> Thanks for sharing Gina, I've always been a big David Byrne fan especially when the Talking Heads were still together. When he came out with "Rei Momo", I flipped out and got hooked on the Brazilian sound. I'm looking forward to hearing "Red Hot & Lisbon". Another must for me is the soundtrack to the movie "Next Stop - Wonderland". It was a horrible movie that I rented last night, but it was full of the basa nova type music my Dad played on the hi-fi when I was a bambino. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:09:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) SNL Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Attached is an article about an upcoming release of classic SNL music over > the 25 years. > My favorite SNL music memories: > > 1. Rickie Lee Jones doing "Coolsville" instead of "Danny's All Star Joint" > 2. Paul Simon & Ladysmith Black Mambazo > 3. Patti Smith doing "Gloria" and my Dad watching it with me saying "what > the hell is that?" > 4. Keith Richards semi-french-kissing with Mick during "Shattered" (I > think) > > Any others? > > Bob George Harrison and Paul Simon doing an acoustic duet of "Here Comes the Sun" Coolsville was awesome and my first exposure to both RLJ & SNL. Nirvana and a million more great live performances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:22:26 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (NJC) My head is swimming... I ran sound for the Swimming Pool Q's reunion show back in 1996 at the Red Light Cafe in Atlanta, Georgia. That was my first exposure to them but I was really impressed with their performance and have tried to catch them in Atlanta since then. I also really enjoy going to see Anne Richmond Boston peform who has recently been doing shows with the Q's again. For the past couple of years she was doing a lot of performances with Big Fish Ensemble who were serving as her back up band along with Rob Gal. I'm curious to know if anyone out there is familiar with Big Fish, who are one the more interesting bands to come out of Atlanta. Sheila, the violinist is expecting a baby very soon so they are taking a break from performing for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Martinis (NJC) The Hawkeye Pierce dry martini: Pour 3 parts gin Show the glass a picture of the man who invented vermouth ... Don Rowe (who's Dad made the best in the world by the pitcher, back when I was just a tike passing through the party with the tray of tidbits ... remember those?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:48:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Martinis (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > The Hawkeye Pierce dry martini: > > Pour 3 parts gin > > Show the glass a picture of the man who invented > vermouth ... My father's recipe was to wave the bottle of vermouth over the pitcher. Jerry np: Babs: I've Dreamed of You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A funny bit ... (NJC) This week's edition of The Onion includes the following news headline: Corey Hart Still Singing 'Sunglasses At Night' Somewhere Couldn't help but chuckle ... for more point your browser at www.theonion.com Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:40:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: re: Opening tracks Ange said: <> I double agree with Harlem being outstanding, my beef with it as an intro is that it seems to have so many interesting things going on it sets up a little disappointment when the rest of the tracks don't compare as favorably...To me it really showcases the variety of sounds she can get with the VG8 followed by a lot of sameness with the others. Kind of like seeing a book with a gorgeous cover, and it's a good book and all, but didn't seem to live up to the cover. And I'm not bashing TTT, far from it, it's a great record. But I think Crazy Cries or TTT works better as an opener, or even Lead Balloon for that matter. Kind of a tasty appetizer before the main course. And then of course she ends with the perfect dessert, My Best to You and Tiger Bones... <<..and while we are speaking of song order on albums.......I just love the way Blue ends on Richard, it's such a beautiful song and it really leaves sums up the "blueness" of the album, don't you think?>> Oh absolutely, but instead of being dessert, it leaves you hungry for more! :~) Namely the feast of FTR! Bob NP: Michael McDonald, "Losin' End" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:57:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC RE: Opening tracks Anne writes: <> Maybe so, but I sure am glad she didn't meet up with the same end as the femme fatale in THAT song...run over by a train clutching her boyfriend's high school ring! Some of the funniest "lyrics meant to be serious" in all creation come from this chestnut: "Just sweet sixteen, and now you're gone, They've taken you away, I'll never kiss your lips again, They buried you todayyyyyy" How Mark Dinning could sing that without cracking up is beyond me... Bob NP: Stones, "Just My Imagination" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:13:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Opening tracks Ange said: <> and Bob replied: <> and: <> IMO, TTT would be the best choice for the opener, but "Harlem in Havana" is still a great choice. I love the way the VG8 sounds at the very beginning, very mystical like. It makes you curious as to what lyrics will follow, and when she sings "Step right up, folks! The show is about to begin", it makes me feel like I'm being introduced to the album. Just my thoughts, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:53:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 8/25/69 Steve wrote: > Lindsay in San Diego wrote (Hi Lindsay!): > > >August 25, 1969: Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young make their first Los > >Angeles appearance at the Greek Theater. Opening act: Joni Mitchell. > > Yeah, I gave them a 5*, Joni a 4* (out of 5) that night. "Down By The River" > knocked my socks off. Oh Steve, you had to rub it in, you lucky guy. I'm always reminded on this day of a painful memory. A teenage boyfriend and I adored the first CSN "Couch" album and played and sang along to it constantly that summer. This was CSN's first concert, I believe, after the release of that album, and was it was *the* hottest event in town. A few days after giving me a wonderful surprise birthday party, he informed me that he had been invited to the concert by some "older women" (translation - could drive and had their own car, unlike him or myself ). I remember becoming somewhat catatonic and distant to him after that announcement. It marked the end of our summer romance. What we do for love........of music, that is. Kakki, still hurting ;-) > (Forgive me. Having just received my first solicitation from AARP (a > "senior citizens" organization for you non-USers) you have to allow > me to gloat once in awhile...it's one of the few pleasures I have left!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #368 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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