From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 366 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Poets NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Kiwi Cake (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Howard Wright ] NJC: Parody? [Kate Tarasenko ] NJC re: oz speak [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: todd rundgren (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Opening tracks [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Sheep-dip Diane from Dunedin (NJC) ["Janet Field" ] RE: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? [Mark Domyancich ] top 5 non-Joni (njc) [Anne Rickaby ] Gratitude for the Joni Welcoming crew! [Bounced Message ] Re: Mee.ting with Ashara in Syd.ney [Bounced Message ] New Releases (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Essra and Joni and Woodstock [Steve Dulson ] Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Phyliss Ward ] Early Years [Bounced Message ] Re: Kiwi Cake (NJC) [catman ] Re: The bowels of majordomo [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] [catman ] RE: The bowels of majordomo [Louis Lynch ] "Tin Angel", and Virgos [Mary Pitassi ] Re: The bowels of majordomo [Jason Maloney ] Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] [Jason Maloney ] Re OZ speak/US speak NJC [Martin Giles ] Comfort in melancholy -Reply [LOREN CARTER ] RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC [Louis Lynch ] RE: The bowels of majordomo [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] MAINLY MARQUETTE - BROWSING MUSIC BY LOCAL ARTISTS [Bounced Message ] Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] [catman ] Re: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC [catman ] Re: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC [catman ] re: Opening tracks ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: todd rundgren (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] [Jason Maloney ] RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:25:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Poets NJC kakki, no wonder you're so verbal and articulate!!! poetry is such a great way to educate a person's ear and mind. wally\k kakki told us: For some cosmic reason my own mama taught me >to speak, read and make words rhyme from immersing me in his poems from the >time I was an infant. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:53:36 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Kiwi Cake (NJC) Helen in NZ wrote: >>I've got friends who live in Wales - Adrian and Ruth. You >>live in the UK, you must know them!? Yep, lovely couple - they send their love. >>Helen - poking fun in NZ!>> PaulC (feeling suitably poked!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:32:08 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) > Carole King I've noticed the inclusion of Carole King on a fair few of these fave artist lists. In a classic case of "better late than never", I picked up a copy of Tapestry on CD at the weekend. It's just been re-issued here, and the music magazine I read (Q) gave it the full five-star treatment. If you can believe it, I hadn't ever heard the original versions of songs such as I Feel The Earth Move, It's Too Late, You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman, and You've Got A Friend. I'm still in my 20s, and don't listen to any radio stations. All I can say is I love this album. It's so emotionally potent, and beautifully crafted and recorded. Her "Natural Woman" had my jaw almost dropping to the floor, and "Earth Move" has an irresistible groove. I can see why this artsist - and this album especially - are held in such high regard. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:00:04 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Opening tracks I love the song Tin Angel. There is always that day when you meet the one you fall in love with. It always seems like a nothing day until that moment and then it becomes an unforgettable day in your life forever. The words she wrote may be among her very best poetry of all her songs and I also think that the chord structure is one of those early examples of how Joni was capable of going beyond the conventional. Its an underrated song in my opinion but those first four notes followed by the interesting chord and finger picking with its odd timing always gets my attention. I also flashed on the song when I was in New York and walking the streets of Greenwich Village. The narrow funky streets with club after club, the stores and the nooks and crannies of the area and I literally thought of how Joni was there one day long ago and this is where she must have met someone one day right there in one of those clubs. I couldnt find a place called the Tin Angel but I did find the Bitter End which was one of the old great places in the village. Thanks for bringing up this song. This album didnt do well in the poll some time ago but I love it. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:08:29 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: RE: poets (NJC) Great to get a response on the poetry front, Wally! >i've been re-reading robert frost a lot this week [we've been having a very >cold winter, and whenever i see the first flakes flurrying i think of >robert >frost -- not because of his last name but because of the hyperfamous "whose >woods these are i think i know...] Hyperfamous it might be but it is still a beautiful poem. >i have the impression that a lot of >people in the us don't seem to like r. frost very much. is it for any >political reason? I can't imagine why. Perhaps he's just 'unfashionable' at the moment. He always seems to me (a foreigner) to be quintessentially 'American'. >i LOVE ogden nash and hilaire belloc. >other frequent visitors include: >emily dickinson, fernando pessoa, edgar lee masters [GOD], tess gallagher, >jorge luis borges, edna st. vincent millay, the brownings [how old >maidenish >of me!!!], hundreds, hundreds. I had neglected Emily D. for years - until recently I read an article discussing her poetry in relation to Bob Dylan's work on "Time Out of Mind". I went back to the bookshelf and rediscovered poems I hadn't read since university days. You have some interesting other selections, though I am unfamiliar with a number of them. >and who wrote that one [i remember only bits]? >"...for i am homesick after mine own kind >and ordinary people touch me not >aye, i am wistful for my kin of spirit. >well then, so call they, the swirlers out of the mist of my soul >they that come mewards, bearing old magic. >but for all that, i am homesick after mine old kind..." >how i love this poem! I'm afraid I can't help you here. But I'd like to know. Regards, John. (in Sydney, and now undeservedly burdened with the title of JMDL 'spammer'!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:18:25 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Marian wrote: >Just a note to let guitarists know I've added tabs for HOSL and Lakota to >my guitar page. >I'm not really sure about the tuning for HOSL. It's really hard to hear >Joni's guitar for this one and the guitar chords I do hear in the >recording sound higher than the chords produced in this tuning. Maybe someone can confirm this, but I think the acoustic guitar on HOSL is played by James Taylor. I tried working this out a year or two ago, and I got something that seemed to work in standard tuning with a capo at about the 5th or 7th fret. They are quite tricky chords to work out, and the guitar gets a little buried in the mix at times which doesn't help! Also, I think the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and Joni just did the words and melody, so there may not have been a "Joni guitar part" in the usual sense. I'll be interested to try your chords though Marian to see how the song could be played in a more Joni-esque style! Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Every country has smart people in it. The trouble is : none of these smart people ever go into politics. - Frank Zappa ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:52:39 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Parody? '...the bowels of majordomo truncated my other down-loads clogged up my digest making refuse of my codes.' (I'll get out of the way for the real masters now!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:06:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC re: oz speak <> Boy,for a moment there I thought I was back in high school...:~) Bob, only partially dag these days NP: Robbie Robertson, "Resurrection" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:15:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: todd rundgren (NJC) Patrick de-lurks with: <> Which answers the musical question "Where's patrick been lately"? Definitely agree on the Todd opinion, "We Gotta Get You A Woman", "Bang The Drum All Day", "Hello It's Me", couldn't be more perfectly crafted pop songs. He also mastered the art of writing Beatles songs on 'Deface The Music' - very Rutle-esque stuff... A couple other perfectly crafted pop songs: "The Things We Do For Love" - 10CC "I Saw Her Standing There" - The Beatles "Surrender" - Cheap Trick "Tempted" - Squeeze "Goodbye Stranger" - Supertramp Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:31:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Opening tracks Paul said: <> Well Paul, we all know by now that you get many more songs and movies broadcast in your world than we do in ours ( ;~) ), so Tin Angel by Tom Rush may have gotten some airplay but I certainly don't remember it. <> And I agree whole-heartedly with this; I suggested that "Midway" or "Gallery" be the opener and I stand by that; I think Terry said it better... <> And while I LIKE TA, it doesn't draw me in lyrically the way the others do. Of course, my tastes are simply that, marcel thinks it works as an opener and it's always interesting to hear what everyone's take is...especially on the records we tend to avoid discussing like Clouds & Mingus. Bob NP: Elton John, "I Think I'm Going to Kill Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:22:54 +0700 From: "Janet Field" Subject: Sheep-dip Diane from Dunedin (NJC) I really enjoy receiving the digest and this was one of the eclectic best yet. Not only did I get mention (!) but that was a wonderful Ogden Nash poem (my Grade 8 English class *will* thank you!). Moreover, the explanation of open tunings really put it all into context nicely. Thanks, folks. Paul - I don't know of Sheep-dip Diane (even though I've spent a good amount of time in the Deep South) but I'd say she would either be a bit of a dag or else she'd be totally toxic. One to give a wide berth to, I'd've thought! (Keeping left at all times). Janet (who only ever eats her own cake) PS there are no Westies in the South of NZ; they are confined to Auckland which is the city most easily 'contaminated' by Sydney!!!! :) We have many, many Bogans however..... they just keep breeding! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:46:21 -0700 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) Jason Maloney wrote: <<>> Just picking a nit: these renditions are not technically "original" versions, as most (actually I think all) had previously been recorded by other artists, and were thus widely known. In fact, wasn't part of the marketing around this release centered around "songwriter singing her songs made famous by others" hype? - --Michael NP: Joan Armatrading, _Classic_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:58:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) <> A couple of years ago when I closed out my community theatre career with "Carole King's Tapestry Revue", I 'stole' this song from the performer who originally was going to do it. She had never HEARD the song before (!!!) and couldn't get the feel of it right. The director asked if anyone else wanted to give it a try, and in a nanosecond I was giving it my best shot. It has that great "Laura-Nyro-funky-piano thing" going for it, it was truly a blast to sing it with a live band... Bob PS: The singer I stole it from was black...score one for the white boys w/soul! :~D NP: Elton, "Mona Lisas & Mad Hatters" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:07:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? Last night I saw a rerun of M*A*S*H, and Hawkeye had a line that said something about "lawyers, doctors and indian chiefs." Maybe our Joan saw this episode when writing Sex Kills??? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:28:37 -0400 From: Anne Rickaby Subject: top 5 non-Joni (njc) It's hard to pick only 5, but here goes: Shawn Colvin Pierre Bensusan Michael Hedges Wendy Waldman Dave Matthews (although I thought about including Ellen McIlwaine as #5) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:27:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Gratitude for the Joni Welcoming crew! From: "Debby Magill" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:00:03 -0400 Hi again! I was very surprised and amazed by the e-mails I received in response to my very first post! It was great! I wasn't sure what I was in for but should have known that fellow Joni lovers would have a heart. Thank you for touching mine :~) Debby xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Mee.ting with Ashara in Syd.ney Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:29:49 -0700 From: "P. Henry" colin wrote: "I think I can safely conclude that John really enjoyed his meeting with Ashara. I got his message saying so 114 times!!!!!!!!" LoL! it's times like this I'm SO glad I get the digest! pat NP: I Had A King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:34:17 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: New Releases (NJC) Maria Muldaur has a new recording out called Meet Me Where They Play The Blues. I've heard a couple of cuts from it on my favorite radio station and she sounds just fabulous! Her voice has a little more grit to it now which suits the new songs rather well. Any MM fans out there care to post their reactions? Two other relatively obscure artists (in the larger scope of the music business) with new releases are Richard Thompson with Mock Tudor (thanks to Terry who posted about his interview on Fresh Air, I was able to tune in to hear him discuss his new record, Sandy Denny and hear a few cuts from it that my radio station hasn't played yet...one of the songs on the new album is about Sandy Denny). The other new release is from Randy Newman and I've forgotten its name but the cut I heard sounded worth checking out. If anyone has heard these releases, post about them. I think there's sufficient interest on the list in these artists. If you don't think there is, email me privately. Take care, Gina NP: Harvest (just picked this up on CD, along with Murmur by REM, for $6 each at a local "beautiful junk" shop...good scores, I thought!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:09:08 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Essra and Joni and Woodstock Randy quoted Essra: >I > related all that I felt about the whole thing to Joni. I believe I read her > a poem I wrote about my impressions of the event. Anyway she came back the > next day..played me "Woodstock" her new song that she just written and told > me she wrote it from my music...so it was influenced (according to her) by > my music as well as my ideas. Hasn't Joni said that she wrote, or at least started "Woodstock" while confined to a NY hotel room, watching TV news reports of the festival? In other words, it sounds like the song was in existence before she got back to LA to hang out with Essra. Just an observation. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:35:07 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Howard Wright wrote: > Also, I think the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and Joni just > did the words and melody, so there may not have been a "Joni guitar part" > in the usual sense. Sorry Howard but after hearing the HOSL demo tape I can safely say you are wrong. This tape is almost exclusively only Joni and her guitar and/or piano. She even sings some of the riffs that are played by other musicians on the actual released recordings. That album is totally Joni. I suspect that she sang or played to the other musicians on the guitar what she wanted them to do with their instruments. I say this because she has mentioned in interviews that she has done this before. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:12:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Early Years Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcel Deste I was reading the most interesting chronology of Jonis life on the Website (an absolutely fabulous creation by the way)and I was intrigued to learn more about Jonis earliest years. How did she come to play "music festivals" around Canada. How did she get the gig at the Newport Folk festival? Did she just gypsy around or was she part of a larger traveling group of players. How did she come to play in the clubs of Calgary? Was someone instrumental in prodding her to do it? My last question is that reference is made to the recording of her performance in Berkeley. Wow. Any idea when or whether that might see the light of day ? Anyone from north of the Border care to share what they know or have a good source. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:20:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Kiwi Cake (NJC) Paul Castle wrote: > Helen in NZ wrote: > > >>I've got friends who live in Wales - Adrian and Ruth. You > >>live in the UK, you must know them!? > > Yep, lovely couple - they send their love. > > >>Helen - poking fun in NZ!>> > > PaulC (feeling suitably poked!) Lucky for you! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo << > sorry, couldn't resist :-) > Jimmy LOL, Jimmy......this is a wonderful idea...hahahaha....now, maybe our resident merchants of parody could conjure up something for us? hmmm?>>> Well, never let it be said that I backed down from a challenge! :~) The Bowels of Majordomo (with apologies to Joni & Magdalene Laundries): I was a computer geek, I'd just turned forty-something When I joined up with some listers Where Joni was our home, oh Branded as a parodist With no hope of publication I'd be stuck for good Deep in the bowels of Majordomo Most folks start out lurking; Then join in discussions, Bridget spoke of Belly, Elliot Smith and Judas Priest We're trying to stay on topic here, But we're not overly successful We're a mix you see, Of Joni-only and NJC-ists Humorists and Guitarists and idiots like me All us posters, trapped in jobs of drudgery Maybe in all this discussion there's room for hilarity, Oh, hilarity.... And all the abbreviations, Jesus! If they'd just spell it out, Then we'd know, and no longer would "Siquomb" be such a mystery I want the grass they're puffing on, I want the brilliance of their speech, Guess I'll have to drive on down To Ashara's Jonifest Party! Bob Muller un.subscribed today He was a smart-ass guy A jerk Decided he'd rather talk about Hole Surely to God you'd think the JMDL best, So maybe he'll sub.scribe again and pass the time at work Maybe he's a dim bulb Inspired by almost anything... Yes, anything Yes, anything.... Whew! This one was NOT easy...but it WAS fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:25:08 +0100 From: catman Subject: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------464A3D56D3ADB95E42D3DF49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - --------------464A3D56D3ADB95E42D3DF49 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <37C2B935.ADD0F22C@ethericcats.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:24:37 +0100 From: catman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Re: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC) References: <240899236.24367@143.231.101.155> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well to pick a further nit-they are technically the originals as surely carole was the first to play and sing them, regardless of whether or not we heard them! ;-) mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > Jason Maloney wrote: > > << of songs such as I Feel The Earth Move, It's Too Late, You Make > Me Feel Like A Natural Woman, and You've Got A Friend.>>> > > Just picking a nit: these renditions are not technically "original" > versions, as most (actually I think all) had previously been > recorded by other artists, and were thus widely known. In fact, > wasn't part of the marketing around this release centered around > "songwriter singing her songs made famous by others" hype? > > --Michael > > NP: Joan Armatrading, _Classic_ > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - --------------464A3D56D3ADB95E42D3DF49-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:39:04 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Kiwi Cake (NJC) LOL - Can't seem to stop laughing today My friend Karen sent me this from the Churchdown Parish Magazine: "Would the Congregation please note that the bowl at the back of the Church, labelled For The Sick", is for monetary donations only.' PaulC PS. A 'sic' joke? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:31 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: The bowels of majordomo Kudos Bob! You are the parody-est! Who'd have ever thought of using that song for a humor send-off? Now that's talent! You should get an award, or at least some bells should ring. Regards from his drudgery, Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 11:21 AM To: Jason Maloney Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo << > sorry, couldn't resist :-) > Jimmy LOL, Jimmy......this is a wonderful idea...hahahaha....now, maybe our resident merchants of parody could conjure up something for us? hmmm?>>> Well, never let it be said that I backed down from a challenge! :~) The Bowels of Majordomo (with apologies to Joni & Magdalene Laundries): I was a computer geek, I'd just turned forty-something When I joined up with some listers Where Joni was our home, oh Branded as a parodist With no hope of publication I'd be stuck for good Deep in the bowels of Majordomo Most folks start out lurking; Then join in discussions, Bridget spoke of Belly, Elliot Smith and Judas Priest We're trying to stay on topic here, But we're not overly successful We're a mix you see, Of Joni-only and NJC-ists Humorists and Guitarists and idiots like me All us posters, trapped in jobs of drudgery Maybe in all this discussion there's room for hilarity, Oh, hilarity.... And all the abbreviations, Jesus! If they'd just spell it out, Then we'd know, and no longer would "Siquomb" be such a mystery I want the grass they're puffing on, I want the brilliance of their speech, Guess I'll have to drive on down To Ashara's Jonifest Party! Bob Muller un.subscribed today He was a smart-ass guy A jerk Decided he'd rather talk about Hole Surely to God you'd think the JMDL best, So maybe he'll sub.scribe again and pass the time at work Maybe he's a dim bulb Inspired by almost anything... Yes, anything Yes, anything.... Whew! This one was NOT easy...but it WAS fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:01:46 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: "Tin Angel", and Virgos I agree with Victor and Paul I: I love "Tin Angel" as the opener to "Clouds," and would be hard-pressed to imagine any other song on the album in its place. Although the "pro-Angel" position has already been very well articulated, for me, this song invites the listener to stop, think, listen, and take risks in the musical experience he or she is about to have. Who knows, s/he may just "find someone to love today": namely, Joni! Mary P. P.S. Just had to say: it's not only the Leos who are celebrating secret birthdays this week (smiling coyly ;-) ). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:16:15 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo Bob, Your "Bowels of majordomo" was hilariously brilliant! It has to be my favourite of all the parodies so far.....a big thank you :-) It verges on genius.... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:09:03 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] catman wrote: > Well to pick a further nit-they are technically the originals as surely > carole was the first to play and sing them, regardless of whether or not > we heard them! ;-) Thanks Colin.....that was what I was getting at. She wrote and demoed the songs first, obviously, so they are the "originals" in a sense. Michael is, as ever, technically correct :-) I am comparitively ignorant and uneducated when it comes to 60s and 70s music. Maybe I should stick to talking about newer stuff that I actually know a bit about! ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:11:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo (NJC) Mr. Muller cleverly wrote: << Well, never let it be said that I backed down from a challenge! :~) The Bowels of Majordomo (with apologies to Joni & Magdalene Laundries): >> WAY TO GO BOB!!!! LOL LOL LOL I knew if someone could come up with a parody, it would be you! You're better than Oscar Hammerstein. I'll keep coming up with the titles and you can do all of the hard work. Jimmy drying the tears of laughter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:53:21 -0700 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Comfort in melancholy As many of you know, I am moving to Chicago in a few days. I'll be returning to school, but I plan on settling there even after I graduate. I've been waiting for this move for almost the entire three years that I have been in DC, and I am thrilled to be heading back to a city that has felt like home since the day I first saw its skyline. Change is never easy, however, and as my last days tick by my emotions have begun to volley back and forth. It's a crazy feeling realizing that there are things and people of whom you have to let go, painful though it may be, because to change course and stay is in every way an unhealthy and impossible decision. In this state I have rediscovered (again) a song that lit up the beginning of my summer: "Stay in Touch." A couple of you may remember my story of meeting Oscar in Florida, and the instant connection we made which was described so well in that song: "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," etc. Our Lady of Duality struck again (even still on TTT, despite recent threads to the contrary), capturing so well that unique mixture of excitement and dread, infatuation and caution that typifies meeting someone for the first time. Now I am finding the song relevant in a slightly different way. "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," now in my life seems to refer not to the hours spent getting to know someone, but to the years I have spent here preparing for the next stage of my life. The lessons I have learned, strength I have built and friends I have made remain with me, but in an esoteric, less palpable sense that feels less secure, if no less real. I now feel a real desire to "stay in touch" with the things about DC that have meant a lot to me, not just in the traditional sense, but in the sense Bob M. described way back when. He talked about "touch" as a state of intimacy or understanding, and Joni's desire to "stay in touch" as a desire to remain in that state. So as I wrestle with my regrets at leaving DC and excitement at arriving in Chicago, I too find myself wanting to stay in touch in a very immediate way with the people and things I am leaving behind. I find myself ritualizing my departure--running through Rock Creek Park one last time, walking the runway a final night with voguers at the club, etching those Monet churches in the National Gallery permanently onto my brain--with a desire to attain that immediacy, that "touch," in my experiences. It's an emotional process, and boy has that song brought some tears to my eyes, but it is of course a comforting one. Thanks to Joni for writing and recording what has turned out to be my song of Summer '99. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:11:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC More Carole King Michael said: <> 'Taint so, Miguelito... It IS true that Carole King and Gerry Goffin spent the early part of their career holed up in the Brill building writing "hits" for others, but Tapestry was King's songs for herself. ONE NOTABLE EXCEPTION: "Natural Woman" was commissioned by Arif Mardin who wanted a standout song for Aretha. He sure got one! "It's Too Late" was a HUGE hit for Carole. You couldn't turn the radio on that summer without hearing it. Don't know who else recorded it as far as the hit parade was concerned (and please no one mention the dreadful tribute record of a couple years ago). "I Feel the Earth Move" was also her hit. "You've Got a Friend" was JT's hit, but her recording came first, and she sings backup vocals on his recording... If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'! Bob NP: The Stones, "Worried About You" So just put that nit back where it came from...:~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:28:44 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: What? (NJC) Mima just said "Can one colonically irrigate at home?" Its just been one of those days! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:42:41 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC Is the expression "Flat out like a lizard drinking" real OZ speak? I think it comes from Barrie Humphreys. And one for you USers... What on Earth are grits? Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:45:30 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Comfort in melancholy -Reply Michael, As a long time resident of the DC area, let me (as newly self-proclaimed Metro spokesperson) say that the city of DC will be a little worse off with your departure. We wish you well and Godspeed in the great midwest. But, remember that United Airlines has daily, hourly flights between O'Hare and Ronald Reagen National Airport, so don't be a stranger. Enjoy the Frank L. Wright buildings around Chicago, the Navy pier, and the "taste of Chicago" event along Lake Michigan, oh and Lake Michigan. Loren....(at work in SW DC, but moving to the Ronald Reagan building on Thursday....NP....Midnight Train to Georgia...Gladys and the Pips >>> 08/24/99 12:53pm >>> As many of you know, I am moving to Chicago in a few days. I'll be returning to school, but I plan on settling there even after I graduate. I've been waiting for this move for almost the entire three years that I have been in DC, and I am thrilled to be heading back to a city that has felt like home since the day I first saw its skyline. Change is never easy, however, and as my last days tick by my emotions have begun to volley back and forth. It's a crazy feeling realizing that there are things and people of whom you have to let go, painful though it may be, because to change course and stay is in every way an unhealthy and impossible decision. In this state I have rediscovered (again) a song that lit up the beginning of my summer: "Stay in Touch." A couple of you may remember my story of meeting Oscar in Florida, and the instant connection we made which was described so well in that song: "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," etc. Our Lady of Duality struck again (even still on TTT, despite recent threads to the contrary), capturing so well that unique mixture of excitement and dread, infatuation and caution that typifies meeting someone for the first time. Now I am finding the song relevant in a slightly different way. "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," now in my life seems to refer not to the hours spent getting to know someone, but to the years I have spent here preparing for the next stage of my life. The lessons I have learned, strength I have built and friends I have made remain with me, but in an esoteric, less palpable sense that feels less secure, if no less real. I now feel a real desire to "stay in touch" with the things about DC that have meant a lot to me, not just in the traditional sense, but in the sense Bob M. described way back when. He talked about "touch" as a state of intimacy or understanding, and Joni's desire to "stay in touch" as a desire to remain in that state. So as I wrestle with my regrets at leaving DC and excitement at arriving in Chicago, I too find myself wanting to stay in touch in a very immediate way with the people and things I am leaving behind. I find myself ritualizing my departure--running through Rock Creek Park one last time, walking the runway a final night with voguers at the club, etching those Monet churches in the National Gallery permanently onto my brain--with a desire to attain that immediacy, that "touch," in my experiences. It's an emotional process, and boy has that song brought some tears to my eyes, but it is of course a comforting one. Thanks to Joni for writing and recording what has turned out to be my song of Summer '99. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:26:04 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC What are grits? That's an easy one. Grits are hominy. Isn't that much clearer now! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:47:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: RE: The bowels of majordomo <> Thanks, but I'm looking forward to seeing the REAL talent at Ashara's... <> So I'll stand up here at work and shake my ding-a-ling! :~D Bob NP: Steel Pulse, "Chant A Psalm" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:50:39 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: MAINLY MARQUETTE - BROWSING MUSIC BY LOCAL ARTISTS Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:42:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro A nice version of Electricity: http://www.mainlymqt.com/music.htm Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:31:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? Mark said: <> And then she watched a rerun of same and wrote Fiction... (Which way to go? Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief) Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Twisting By the Pool" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:49:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Kiwi Cake (NJC) Oh well anyone can make a mistake said the Dalek as he climbed off the dustbin. Paul Castle wrote: > LOL - Can't seem to stop laughing today > > My friend Karen sent me this from the > Churchdown Parish Magazine: > > "Would the Congregation please note that the > bowl at the back of the Church, labelled > For The Sick", is for monetary donations > only.' > > PaulC > > PS. A 'sic' joke? - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:51:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] I disagree jason! TECHNICALLY Carole was the first to sing them! It's just that we heard the songs from others. although, i guess because of my age, I actually heard carole's first, in 75. I don't recall hearing any of them before that. Jason Maloney wrote: > catman wrote: > > > Well to pick a further nit-they are technically the originals as surely > > carole was the first to play and sing them, regardless of whether or not > > we heard them! ;-) > > Thanks Colin.....that was what I was getting at. She wrote and demoed > the songs first, obviously, so they are the "originals" in a sense. > Michael is, as ever, technically correct :-) I am comparitively ignorant > and uneducated when it comes to 60s and 70s music. Maybe I should stick > to talking about newer stuff that I actually know a bit about! ;-) > > Jason. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:56:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: What? (NJC) YES! And you can buy the equipment from adverts in certain magazines..... But I wouldn't know which magazines.... Paul Castle wrote: > Mima just said "Can one colonically irrigate at home?" > > Its just been one of those days! > > PaulC - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:58:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC Two OZ expressions I remember from my tenn years(spent in OZ) are: Jerkin the Gherkin and Whipping The Dripping I never could figure what they meant.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:01:09 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC And as I discovered on my trip, home made chips(not those Mcdonalds thoings) are called homefries. And the local store is called a Mom and Pop store. I also discovered that when you order a burger the list of questions about how'd like it done is so long I learnt to say 'surprise me'! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:24:01 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: Opening tracks Hey there Bob, thanks for your post... I never really liked TA that much, it didn't 'jump out' at me as a joni fav ... but lately I've been looking closer at the poetry in Joni's work and I really like some of the images that she paints so delicately for us in this song... "varnished weeds in window jars tarnished beads on tapestries kept in satin boxes are reflections of loves memories" (sorry if this isn't right word for word) I think this is pretty ... she sings it so sadly, she's lost so much..it's a song of mourning to me. I love the way she rhyms the words, the use of rhym within, as well as at the end of sentences....it's makes this song easy to listen to. I agree that it is an interesting choice for the first song on this album, but I do think it "works" in this place. I like the choice of Harlem to lead TTT......when I first heard the album it was this song that kept me interested and made me keep playing the whole album again and again (cos I loved that song so much) I find a lot of the other slower songs quite hard to "get into" ... and I really think that if "Man from Mars" or something lead the album I might have been turned off straight away. I agree that NRH and IHAK were great songs to lead NRH and STAS.....and while we are speaking of song order on albums.......I just love the way Blue ends on Richard, it's such a beautiful song and it really leaves sums up the "blueness" of the album, don't you think? My thoughts Ange Sydney <> <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:51:33 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: todd rundgren (NJC) At 09:19 PM 8/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >i read an interview with todd where he talked about the process of writing >s/a. he said it was scary, it was becoming way too easy to write perfect, >short pop songs, (and s/a is full of them) so that after that album he wrote >a completely different album, a wizard/a true star, that is all over the >map, with zappa-esque experiments and psychedelia, low humor and a cover of >'never never land' of all things. still brilliant, just completely >different. S/A is when I started listening to Todd. When Wizard a True Star came out I thought 'this guy can do anything!' It IS different and I that is why I still like it. I love listening to Wizard/ A True Star really loud .... altho my neighbors don't ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:10:40 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] catman wrote: > > I disagree jason! TECHNICALLY Carole was the first to sing them! > It's just that we heard the songs from others. although, i guess because of my > age, I actually heard carole's first, in 75. I don't recall hearing any of > them before that. Okay, okay....whatever! :-) As I said, all this historical stuff is out of my league...I just heard the album and absolutely loved it. Apparently, the album was recorded and initially released in 1971, but hung around the charts for 6 yrs (it says here on the CD sleeve notes). I seem to be on a retro-trip at the moment. Just watched The Thomas Crown Affair (1968 original) on DVD.....you gotta dig that 60s style! Very snazzy indeed. Maybe I was born in the wrong generation :o) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:47:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Virgos NJC Happy Birthday, Mary! Are you going to Ashara's? WAlly\k >Mary P. > >P.S. Just had to say: it's not only the Leos who are celebrating secret >birthdays this week (smiling coyly ;-) ). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:33:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC i'm equally mystified when i go to a coffee house in the us and discover that the choices for your coffee are almost a factorial number!!! grande? this? that? how many shots? wally\k ----Original Message----- De: catman Para: Louis Lynch CC: 'Martin Giles' ; JONI DIGEST Fecha: Martes 24 de Agosto de 1999 16:13 Asunto: Re: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC >I also discovered that when you order a burger the list of questions >about how'd like it done is so long I learnt to say 'surprise me'! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:36:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC yummy! grits is delicious! i ate it in southern usa for breakfast. it's ground grain [corn?]. wally\k - -----Original Message----- De: Martin Giles Para: JONI DIGEST Fecha: Martes 24 de Agosto de 1999 11:59 Asunto: Re OZ speak/US speak NJC >And one for you USers... What on Earth are grits? > >Martin. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:39:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: US speak NJC now my question is: when americans say "P-U!" [two separate letters, as in an abbreviation] when something stinks, what do those letters stand for? wally\k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] > > > Okay, okay....whatever! :-) As I said, all this historical stuff is out > of my league... Are you trying to say i am old? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: [Fwd: favourite non-joni musicians (NJC)] The Dark Side Of The Moon was also in the charts for years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:16:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: US speak NJC I always thought they were saying PHEW but hadn't learnt to speak properly! Wally Kairuz wrote: > now my question is: when americans say "P-U!" [two separate letters, as in > an abbreviation] when something stinks, what do those letters stand for? > wally\k - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #366 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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