From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #350 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, August 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 350 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Resist the Eclipse Hype Part II (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Sandy Denny-NJC [MP123A321@aol.com] NJC Re: "The Arrangement" [RMuRocks@aol.com] NJC Re: Resist the Eclipse Hype Part II [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joshua Redman in town... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Fwd: Get $10 OFF Your Next Purchase at CDNOW! (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Larry the Riveter - Janitors ["Catherine McKay" ] Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (VLJC) [Steve Dulson ] Eclipse madness (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Who knows.../ (NJC) -> Favourite causes of death amongst celebrities (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Eclipse/McDonald's (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Blue collar stuff ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni, cactus tree ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) [Scott and Jody ] RE: Blue collar stuff ["Brett Code" ] RE: vh1 woodstock show njc [Don Rowe ] [Fwd: Re: Falling in love...] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: vh1 woodstock show njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] RE: Blue collar stuff (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: Urge for Going - Tony Rice [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) [Scott and Jody ] The Unsettled Joni [Scott Price ] Re: Resist the Eclipse Hype Part II (NJC) [Scott and Jody cold), you can see the thousands of different angles at which meteors hit the > Earth's atmosphere -- from those that barely skim the highest layers and seem > to bounce off to the ones that look like they are bearing right down on you > before (hopefully!) flaming out. > Sigh... Sounds wonderful!!!!! We just had the pleasure watching them from a field in IL. You were so lucky to experience the Perseus showers in the mountains. A good friend of mine was backpacking in CO during that time. She remembered some madman screaming from across the ridge, that Nixon had resigned. Could that have been you Paul? jody >> ;>) Would you be surprised if it was? Paul I Who usually watched the Perseids from a field in Illinois during his youth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:04:35 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Sandy Denny-NJC a recent post about Sandy Denny <> I believe this is the subject of a song on the great LP "Shoot Out The Lights" by Richard and Linda Thompson. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:15:21 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: "The Arrangement" In a message dated 8/11/99 11:38:29 PM Central Daylight Time, Bolvangar@aol.com writes: << Can anyone give more info? >> David, there's a big article on Kazan in the new Vanity Fair which arrived yesterday. I'll see if it mentions anything about that flick... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:13:50 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Resist the Eclipse Hype Part II In a message dated 8/11/99 10:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << I love this ... <<< and McDonalds would be the official sponsor of the 1999 solar eclipse, etc, etc, etc RR >> And ripped from today's headlines comes the headline "Eclipse inspires new pizza". Only it's NOT in the US, believe it or don't...from Naples, Italy comes "Eclipse Pizza", with a ring of bright red sauce representing the sun's corona. Tube, you had any of that yet? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:20:15 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) Michael mentions: << and he sang the theme from the Mickey Mouse club. >> I had mentioned last week about Hal Willner's tribute projects; Aaron recorded this song on the "Stay Awake" album which was a Disney Tribute. The album also featured James Taylor(Second Star to the Right), Bonnie Raitt (Baby Mine), & Suzanne Vega(Stay Awake). My personal favorite was The Replacements (Cruella DeVille). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:26:42 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Joshua Redman in town... Today's Greenville News has an article about Joshua Redman playing Friday/Saturday at the Brevard, NC Jazz Festival. Of course I searched for the Joni mention and hit paydirt: "On 'Timeless Tales', Redman interprets a Joni Mitchell song, "I Had A King." Mitchell's work appeals to Redman for its sense of lyricism in the melodies and airiness and openness. That openness fits well into the constructs of jazz, he added." And of course, this cover of "I Had a King" is on TT#8... Bob, playing hookey from work to go play golf with my son on his last day before school bells ring...shhhh, don't tell, they'll never miss me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Fwd: Get $10 OFF Your Next Purchase at CDNOW! (NJC) - ---CDNOW wrote: > Wednesday August 11, 1999 > There's never been a better time to buy music. We're giving you > $10 off your next purchase over $19.99 ! That's on > top of any other sales going on at the store. Save on music by > chart-topping artists, build your collection of movies on VHS or > DVD, and browse our special offers going on now at: > > http://p01.com/r.d?MB0Eky_Xg=cdnow/from=red:x:cdn:810m > > Hurry. This coupon expires on August 24, 1999 at 11:59 PM EDT. > Limit one per customer. Brian nw: CNN === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:53:40 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: Joni - live at the Carnegie Hall - Feb 23 72 Greetings from Roma! I am Francesco Lucarelli and I'm currently working on a book about Crosby Stills Nash & Young with Herman Verbeke. The book will also feature a (large) section dedicated to concert dates, so here's a question for all of you Joni experts... *** Feb 23, 1972 *** Joni at Carnegie Hall has Stills ? Nash ? + ??? on Circle Game - last encore - any ideas?? I'm also looking for details of any other show when they shared the bill together (but not the 1974 CSNY tour) or did guest appearances at each others' concerts. Also much appreciated any article, paper, memory re: Joni and Crosby in the late 60's. Thanks, Francesco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:21:54 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull (long) I have alwasy seen this album as the first written by a young woman who came from the Canadian heartland to the east coast of america. Of course the two things that would blow her mind would be the streets of New York and the harbor seaport itself. And Dawntreader is an incredible song. I can imagine her walking alone at night or at dawn along the New York harbor somewhere perhaps at battery park. I enjoyed your post it still is my favorite of all joni albums. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Tiny Tim (NJC) - --- John Low wrote: >I really > must take issue with Don Rowe when I saw his list of > "please feel free to > bash-at-will" (Digest 345) and noticed the name of > Tiny Tim thereon. How > could you Don? Well this came as something of a surprise ... I had fully expected a skewering for including the likes of The Velvet Underground, Yoko, Laurie Andersen and Bernadette Peters. Two of those four have been defended ... but none so passionately as your taking up the cause of Tiny Tim. I am sorry if I have caused offense, but I'd be less than honest if I said I didn't find phrases like "master of the popular song" and "living work of art" a little over-the-top. But of course, Tiny Tim himself was over-the-top, in a snapshot novelty sort of a way that could only have happened in the '60s. And that, I'm afraid, is about as far as I'm willing to go ... guess I'll have to live with my shame. :-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:18:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) Michael Paz wrote: > Azeem halts the Aaron-bashing: > > << Aaron Neville may have made a few bad choices of song and producer, but > the man has the voice of an angel, and not just when he's doing that > fluttery falsetto>> > > Hi Azeem- > I too love Aaron's voice and he is a wonderful person as well. One of my best friends, who was also at Joni's Jazz, won a catered cajun dinner for 20, tickets to a Neville Brothers Concert, and a meeting with them backstage. He's always entering those damned contests. Well he gave the dinner party to me as a birthday present and then took me to see the concert. Aaron was a true angel. He wished me a heartfelt birthday and was truly kind. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:37:35 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: vh1 woodstock show njc any one catch that film that has been running this week? i thought the end of the flic stated everything. a fat old wavy gravy struggling to stand up and get out of the hot tub in which he did his interview for the show. as if the hippies have seen their day and it is long done now. i remember going to the philadelphia folk festival in 1980 and there were credit card machines at all the booths. so much changed in so short a time. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:07:58 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "The Arrangement" Bolvangar@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > I hadn't remembered this being mentioned before -- though it probably > was, maybe during the thread about Elia Kazan's honorary Oscar this spring? > -- but today I ran across a Pauline Kael review (I've been reading her a lot > lately) of a late '60s film called "The Arrangement," adapted by Kazan from > his own novel, which seems to be the source for Joni's song on LOTC. Can > anyone give more info? The book was much better than the movie. It was a very popular title and I'm sure Joni was aware of it. Her song is MUCH better than either the book or the movie. Jerry np: Petula Clark: Here for You ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:08:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Larry the Riveter - Janitors "The janitors of Shadowland flick their brooms at me" Jeez, I love that line! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:28:00 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (VLJC) Pat wrote: >NP: I Can't Quit Her - BS&T Wasn't that Electric Flag? I mean, Flag was one of my fave live bands, and I can *see and hear* them playing that. Is this the result of too much drugs, or what? :) And another favorite of mine (and Kakki's) was Sweetwater, the no-guitar, cello/flute/bass/drums/keyboards LA band that opened Woodstock. VH-1 is doing an original movie on them Sunday at 9:00 pm, west coast. 'Time' said the movie was pretty lame, but at least maybe some of their music will get out on CD now. Nansi Nevins, the lead singer, lives just down the road in Laguna Beach. And (now the JC) David wrote: >I ran across a Pauline Kael review (I've been reading her a lot >lately) of a late '60s film called "The Arrangement," adapted by Kazan from >his own novel, which seems to be the source for Joni's song on LOTC. While I don't know for sure, I always figured Joni's song was a (failed) attempt to do a title song for the movie. It fits the plot perfectly. I'll bet Joni pitched the song to Kazan. Steve (ecstatic that the recording and mixing are done for the new Tinker CD, and delighted with the results. If all goes as planned, "Bending the Banshee's Ear" will be out Oct. 1) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:38:23 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Eclipse madness (NJC) If you live in a benighted country, you are most definitely not the only one. The same stupidity happened here (I'm in Toronto, Canada.) There was a photo in the paper of a pair of eclipse-watching glasses that someone had made and was marketing - for dogs! (In all fairness to my fellow Canadians, this picture may have been taken from a wire service outside Canada.) It looked like a couple of toilet paper rolls taped together binoculars-style with some dark plastic at one end - to add to the silliness, the dog was wearing them on top of his head, not over his eyes. Figure that out! We were supposed to get just a tiny sliver of sun cut off early in the morning, but there was no way I was getting up early for that - besides which, as always happens, it was overcast that day. I hardly see the point of people going to all the trouble to watch the eclipse when the experts keep telling you not to (without protective eye covering anyway.) This was THE last solar eclipse of the millenium, which is a grand excuse to hype it up bigtime. Also a grand excuse to bring out all the old superstitions and end-of-the-world crazies. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:10:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Who knows.../ (NJC) -> Favourite causes of death amongst celebrities (NJC) Anne - et al (Anne's arrived first) - thanks for the info... >Sandy Denny "fell" down a flight of stairs when she was about 30. >The word >fell is in quotes because there was always some specualtion >about whether >it was actually an accident or not. I beleive it's >always remained a >mystery. (I seem to recall an implication that she >was pushed...) At the risk of sounding disrespectful to any other dead musicians, I'm just glad that choking on sandwiches was not involved. That seems to be one of the over-hyped causes of death among celebrities (or at least the over-hyped rumoured cause). Apart, that is, from the inevitable drug overdose, plane/car crash and drowning. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: vh1 woodstock show njc - --- Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > i remember going to the philadelphia folk festival > in 1980 and there were > credit card machines at all the booths. so much > changed in so short a time. > ss. > I think Mr. Henley said it all ... "Saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac/Little voice inside my head said/ Don't look back you can never go back" ... Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:16:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Eclipse/McDonald's (NJC) >If it was in America, a company would have >patented the phrases "eclipse", "total eclipse", and all related >combinations, and McDonalds would be the official sponsor of >the 1999 solar eclipse, Like a McClipse? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:26:25 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Blue collar stuff Too bad there's no prize - if there were, you'd win the Golden Rivet award (I was thinking in terms of a steel bolt spraypainted and signed by Joni). Little did I know when I dreamed that one up that there actually WERE so many references. I thought there were more references to girders and steel beams and stuff in Joni's work (but there actually aren't). unless you want to include "cold blue steel" (which I presume is a hypodermic needle, but I've always had the image when I hear that song, not just of the drug addict searching for a fix, but of stark cityscapes as well, with the "sweet fire" not just the drug in your veins, but more city-as-hell stuff - picture a big blast furnace. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:29:19 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Joni, cactus tree >Joni was very... well, open... even flirty. although she gets along >with >other women just fine, she is one of those kind of women who is >very >comfortable hanging out with guys... Interesting - I've always had the idea she didn't like other women much. I have no real reason for saying that, it's just an impression. I liked your thoughts on "Cactus Tree" - it makes sense that they're not all lovers, maybe just wannabes. "There's a man who sends her letters and he's waiting for reply..." sounds like a fan (or maybe a stalker!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:43:45 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) Bob Wrote: > "Stay Awake" album which was a Disney Tribute. The > album also featured James Taylor(Second Star to the Right), Bonnie Raitt > (Baby Mine), & Suzanne Vega(Stay Awake). My personal favorite was The > Replacements (Cruella DeVille). > I also have to say that I like Los Lobos' rendition of "I Wan'na Be Like You(The Monkey Song)" Bonnie Raitt's version of "Baby Mine" is wonderful. If I hadn't already been a Replacements fan prior to hearing "Cruella Deville", I would have gone out and bought everything they ever recorded! I'm exaggerating a bit, but I do like that song! Bob, No mention of "Heigh Ho"? :~) jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:50:31 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: vh1 woodstock show njc You know, both your comments about credit cards at folk festivals and deadhead stickers on Cadillacs struck a nerve with me. I would think that the "hippie" spirit would embrace convenience, and even wealth, so long as it wasn't harmful to anyone. The "Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac" line always made me wonder about Mr. Henley's aptitude as an songwriter. Surely, Jerry Garcia or one of the Dead owned a Cadillac or better? Didn't Elvis drive them, too? Joni has had a few Mercedes. When someone gets to be a music star, we naturally expect them to treat themselves to a little luxury, even if they champion protelariat ideals. And surely, wealthy people have a right to love different kinds of music. There have been wealthy patrons of the arts for centuries. If a person can afford a Cadillac, or a DVD player, or a laser disc or whatever, why can't that person enjoy whatever music he or she likes? As a tie-dyed-in-the-wool hippie, I am proud that some of our ideals and symbols were absorbed into mainstream culture. Some things we fought for, like animal rights and women's rights and nuclear responsibility and racial tolerance, are taking hold and making life better. I never cared if "the man" hummed our tunes -- isn't that what were looking for? So, Don Henley's line always seemed pretty insipid to me. And I'm sure he has owned a car more expensive than a Cadillac, so it would be hypocritical to boot. Many of the "folk folk" heroes came from a home with swimming pools in the backyard. Rich or poor, we all have ideas. It's only when we stop having those ideas because we're too busy chasing money (or sex or whatever) that it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad there are atm and credit card machines at concert halls, and zoos, and circuses, and everywhere else. Because we enjoy a certain type of music, are we supposed to ride in covered wagons and sit on rocks in unheated longhouses? Convenience has poured over America like syrup, but there's nothing wrong with it, as long as we keep it in perspective. We can still be artists and free thinkers and such, and carry a credit card, can't we? We can still embrace the ideals of the past and accept the ideas of the present, can't we? If we can't, then I need to refigure a few things I guess. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:12:33 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Blue collar stuff The prize should go my clients, whose work does not get done as I gleefully read through "The Complete Poems and Lyrics" by the great JM herself. Sometimes, being a jmdler is just so pleasantly time-consuming. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: vh1 woodstock show njc Wow Louis ... how refreshing! Always glad to see an interesting point of view. A couple of things though: > I would think that the "hippie" spirit would embrace > convenience, and even > wealth, so long as it wasn't harmful to anyone. So, Don Henley's line always seemed pretty insipid > to me. And I'm sure he > has owned a car more expensive than a Cadillac, so > it would be hypocritical > to boot. > I think the point of Henley's lyric isn't attacking wealth or convenience, but rather the ostentatious "keeping up with the Jones" mentality. I imagine even a wealthy hippie would frown on that sort of thing ... yes? And I'm not sure what Don's driving these days, but I have a feeling it's something a bit more plush than a VW Microbus ... ;-) > It's only when we stop having those ideas because we're too busy chasing money (or > sex or whatever) that it becomes a bad thing. My point precisely ... > Because we enjoy > a certain type of > music, are we supposed to ride in covered wagons and > sit on rocks in > unheated longhouses? Not at all. But I think it hard to escape that this is, in fact, the very image hippies created for themselves back in the '60s -- so it's no wonder that it comes back to bite in these 'more modern' times -- for better or worse. > We can still > embrace the ideals of the past and accept the ideas > of the present, can't > we? > Hey, if you can, you can -- they paved paradise and put up a parking lot -- how convenient! ;-) Take care. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:04:37 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Falling in love...] Message-ID: <37B328AE.62A3@snet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:03:58 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Falling in love... References: <4.2.0.58.19990809144900.00b609c0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Chris Marshall wrote: > So: who else has fallen in love with someone while falling in love with > Hejira? > Chris, I fell out of love with someone and in love with someone else with Hejira; I was desperately trying to reclaim my individuality (how can I have that point of view, when I'm always BOUND and TIED to someone?) But at the same time, I met a new man who was very intriguing. He gave me a massage one afternoon that left me aching for him. (I'm so glad to be on my own, but somehow the slightest touch of a stranger can set a trembling in my bones) Thanks for the question. - -Jenny CT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:10:30 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 woodstock show njc at the philly folk festival, the booths i was thinking of were not ticket booths but trinkets and crafts. the essence of the festival made a quantum leap from the free show of woostock with big music to the master card laden craft sales of the folk festival with little music. when i say quantum here i don't mean big but exclusive as in - cant be both ...only one or the other. woodstock was one. the 1980 folk festivals are another. hippies used to be happy with good music and bong. now they have cadillacs. i think the henley line is very appropriate. its a quantum change that can't be both what it was and what it is. can'g go back. that is more my idea here rather than a critique of bank cards and machines. i think those things are nice too. but we're out for the money now, not the music. and to see wavy gravy in a hot tub! in woodstock he was in jeans and boots and mud. and he was skinny then too. now he's fat and can't get up. do you see the irony of that. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:24:02 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Blue collar stuff (NJC) No kidding. I am constantly consumed by guilt myself for getting into this stuff when I'm supposed to be doing work (no computer at home!) Consumed by guilt - but not for long! >From: "Brett Code" >To: "'Catherine McKay'" >CC: >Subject: RE: Blue collar stuff >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:12:33 -0600 > >The prize should go my clients, whose work does not get done as I gleefully >read through "The Complete Poems and Lyrics" by the great JM herself. >Sometimes, being a jmdler is just so pleasantly time-consuming. > > >Brett > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:50:33 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) In a message dated 8/12/99 3:16:59 PM Central Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << If I hadn't already been a Replacements fan prior to hearing "Cruella Deville", I would have gone out and bought everything they ever recorded! I'm exaggerating a bit, but I do like that song! Bob, No mention of "Heigh Ho"? :~) >> OK, I was working off the top of my pointed head, but now I went and dug out the LP from my basement...I hope you're happy! :~) Here's the other tunes on the record I didn't mention, besides "Heigh Ho" by Me & Jody's favorite Tom Waits: "Hi Diddle Dee Dee", Ken Nordine w/Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz "Little April Shower", Natalie Merchant, Michael Stipe, Mark Bingham & the Roches "Little Wooden Head", Bill Frisell & Wayne Horvitz "Blue Shadows on the Trail", Syd Straw "Castle In Spain", Buster Poindexter aka David Johansen "I Wonder", Yma Sumac aka Amy Camus "Feed The Birds", Garth Hudson "Whistle While You Work", NRBQ "I'm Wishing", Betty Carter (the late great...) "Someday My Prince Will Come", Sinead O'Connor "Pink Elephants On Parade" Sun Ra & His Arkestra "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah", Harry Nilsson (I had forgotten about that one) "When You Wish Upon A Star", Ringo Starr w/Herb Alpert I don't think there's another record out there with as much eclecticism.... And talk about bad timing! The Replacements were about 10 years too soon with the grunge sound. Thankfully Paul Westerberg is still out there cranking it out... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:19:04 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (NJC) From: "Kakki" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:58:07 -0700 Steve wrote: >Pat wrote: > > >NP: I Can't Quit Her - BS&T > > Wasn't that Electric Flag? I mean, Flag was one of my fave live > bands, and I can *see and hear* them playing that. Is this the > result of too much drugs, or what? :) The ubiquitous Al Kooper performed it on the first Blood, Sweat & Tears album (pre-David Clayton Thomas). One of my all time favorites. > And another favorite of mine (and Kakki's) was Sweetwater, the > no-guitar, cello/flute/bass/drums/keyboards LA band that opened > Woodstock. VH-1 is doing an original movie on them Sunday at > 9:00 pm, west coast. I was so stunned when I first joined the list to learn there was one other person out there (Steve) who remembered them. All I knew is that they were a local band - never knew they opened Woodstock. In around 1969 I lent the first Sweetwater album to a friend who I subsequently lost touch with for years. In the 80s I was visiting her at her parents house and was amazed to find it still on their record shelf! I got it back and still have it. It is incredibly warped but still plays and only has one skip ;-) I can't wait to see the movie. To my current ears, Sweetwater reminds me of a cross between Jefferson Airplane with Grace Slick and the old band Love. Great music that was very unique in its day. Kakki NP: Sweetwater - In A Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:30:05 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Urge for Going - Tony Rice Steve asked: >Urge For Going (5:48) by Tony Rice >        Tony Rice Native American   >Rounder- 0248 >Is this a version of our Joni's song? It most certainly is. I love this album! here's more: 1. Shadows (Lightfoot) - 3:42 2. St. James Hospital (Baker) - 4:57 3. Night Flyer (Mayall) - 3:57 4. Why You Been Gone So Long (Newbury) - 3:20 5. Urge for Going (Mitchell) - 5:48 6. Go My Way (Lightfoot) - 2:48 7. Nothin' Like a Hundred Miles (Taylor) - 4:17 8. Changes (Ochs) - 2:20 9. Brother to the Wind (Bickhardt) - 3:28 10. John Wilkes Booth (Carpenter) - 3:51 11. Summer Wages (Tyson) - 4:00 Jerry Douglas-Dobro Tony Rice-Guitar, Vocals, Producer Wyatt Rice-Guitar Jonathan Edwards-Harmonica, Harmony Vocals Johnny Carroll-Piano John Edwards-Harmonica, Vocals (bckgr) Mary-Chapin Carpenter-Vocals (bckgr), Harmony Vocals Vassar Clements-Fiddle Jimmy Gaudreau-Mandolin John Jennings-Guitar, Guitar (Electric), Producer Robbie Magruder-Drums Rico Petrucelli-Bass (Electric) Mark Schatz-Bass, Acoustic Bass Bill Wolf-Producer Jon Carroll-Piano, Keyboards Bill Wolf-Producer, Engineer, Mixing Nancy Given-CD Adaptation Mark Farris-Photography Joanna Bodenweber-Design gdave NP: Bob Dylan 8/12/97 Montage Mountain, Scranton, PA - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:32:24 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: aaron singing theme from Mickey Mouse(NJC) > OK, I was working off the top of my pointed head, but now I went and dug out > the LP from my basement.. > Me too, that's why I failed to mention Betty Carter. This album introduced me to her. I'm so thankful for that! jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:39:30 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 woodstock show njc In a message dated 8/12/99 4:28:17 PM Central Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << hippies used to be happy with good music and bong. now they have cadillacs. i think the henley line is very appropriate. its a quantum change that can't be both what it was and what it is. can'g go back.>> It's just an age & stage thing; kids in their teens and 20's are always going to be into a much more frivolous lifestyle (in general). But we move through that stage, compromise some of that free spirited life in exchange for a more mature contentment...nothing hypocritical about it, that's just the way life is. (I'll bet they're still playing good music in those cadillacs, btw) At least the hippies in the 60's only had to get haircuts and a re-vamped wardrobe to become part of the establishment. What are these free-spirits with all the tatoos and facial jewelry gonna do when thay wake up one morning and decide it's time to move on...? I wanna invest in a tatoo-removal franchise! :~) << and to see wavy gravy in a hot tub! in woodstock he was in jeans and boots and mud. and he was skinny then too. now he's fat and can't get up. >> He ate too much gravy - now he can't get out of the wavy! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:13:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull David (Bolvangar@aol.com) writes his views on STAS and I found them very interesting, and I agree with most of what he said. I also have been listening to STAS quite a bit lately, and especially "Night in the City". I have been playing that song over and over. It's such a happy uplifting song, and as David mentioned the piano sounds so great. It kind of reminds me of a Mama's and the Papas song. I think Joni hung out with Mama Cass back then, and when I hear "Night in the City" I can just imagine the two of them singing it together. Just a thought. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:25:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Falling in love...]NJC It is, despite popular thinking, very possible to be an individual and have a partner. The need people have to share their life with someone is natural and healthy, not an aberration or co-dependancy. Having said that, being enmeshed is not healthy and being in a relationship with someone who tries to prevent one being an individual is not good. But being in a relationship does not equal lack of individuality. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:08:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: vh1 woodstock show njc 1. Hippie was a term invented by the media to label and marginalize a varied group of people who were looking for alternatives to what society had to offer. In Haight-Ashbury in 1967 they had a "death of the hippie" march to let go of the myth of the hippie. Now we're all people. 2. Henley and the Eagles charged $100 per ticket the last time out. As far as Cadillacs, that was Neil Cassidy's car of choice, and remains Ken Kesey's. They both predate the Grateful Dead. So Deadheads were driving Caddies before the band even had a name. 3. It's too bad Wavy Gravy is so out of shape. He has had major back problems, spinal fusion surgery, yet still manages to spearhead the Seva Foundation (providing eyesight-saving surgery to the poor in impoverished countries, amongst other things), run a kid's camp that brings street kids to the country, sometimes for the first time in their lives, write books, do artwork, show up at anti-nuclear rallies, and more. Does that sound like someone who has seen his day and it is "long done?" 4. We are facing the same things now that were problems in the 60's. Pollution, war, class inequities, people being put in cages for possessing the wrong flowers, etc, etc.... I'm sure there are powers out there that would like to compartmentalize those that resist or protest these things as relics of the past. Unless we embrace the present and the "massive mess we're in", that's what we will all be. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:06:15 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: The Unsettled Joni At 05:57 PM 8/11/99, P. Henry wrote: >>Scott Price wrote about the song "Cactus Tree:" >>...the overwhelming message, again IMO, is that she was >>looking back at the men in her life while struggling >>with the idea of "settling down" as opposed to retaining her freedom. > > having seen the phenomena of Joni's 'groupies' with their > insistance and that glazed over look in their eyes first > hand and having to personally 'fend them off', so to speak, > I am more inclined to view these lyrics as a very sensitive > and empathetic describing of what had been going on... Pat: Only Joni knows for sure but I think she has wondered for years what her life would have been like had she chosen to "settle down." Many women of her generation found themselves married and ensconced in a household and I think she may have felt a bit different or odd because she was such an independent woman, one whose creativity was fueled by a bit of wanderlust. "How come I keep moving from man to man to man?" she once asked. The song "Man to Man" from WTRF is a self-examination of this question. Why does she keep on the move when she's had all these chances with "A lot of good guys?" Previously, in "Let the Wind Carry Me" from FTR she sang: "Sometimes I get that feeling that I want to settle and raise a child up with somebody." But as we know she elected to become "a wild seed again, let the wind carry me." In "Same Situation" from C&S she acknowledges that she's "caught in my struggle for higher achievement, and my search for love, that don't seem to cease." I interpret this lyric to mean that she's saying you can't have it both ways (but she's always trying!). The "higher achievement" is her growth as an artist and a woman, which wouldn't be nearly as easy to attain if she was to "settle down" and be in love with someone in the traditional sense of marrying, having children, and staying in the home. In "Hissing of Summer Lawns" she again touches on life in suburbia, but decides that it's not for her. The woman was given "a diamond for her throat, a ranch house on a hill, and a room full of Chippendale." Despite these things, she remains there, kind of a prisoner, because while she's relegated to "darkness, no color, no contrast," the woman "stays with a love of some kind." I think Joni is looking at a marriage where according to the script it's supposed to be all sweetness and light because the couple have a fine home in a great neighborhood, but despite all the material goods there's just no spark, no light. While Joni's not putting the woman down for staying in the "darkness," saying "it's the lady's choice," she is reinforcing to herself that this type of arrangement is not for her. Her strongest statements about this "dilemma" of whether or not to settle down are found on Hejira. She tries to run away herself, but wrestles with her ego, and the (romantic) flame of the Coyote. She justifies their parting due to "coming from such different sets of circumstance," but still, she wonders what might have been. She crashes into his arms in Amelia but concludes that it's just a dream, and another false alarm. She finds kinship with the "Strange Boy" because despite all he's been through, nothing "could bring him to maturity." And of course, "Song For Sharon" details "The power of reason, and the flowers of deep feelings," which "seem to serve me, only to deceive me." Joni's childhood friend Sharon has a husband, a family, and a farm. She sings for her friends and family, while Joni walks "green pastures by and by." By this point in her life Joni has accepted the fact that she is not the type to settle down too much, but often wonders what it would have been like. We do know that Myrtle (her mother) had wanted her to lead a traditional-type life, one of a husband, family, and farm, but Joni, as always, seeks out and answers her muse. Perhaps Joni has felt a little guilty over the years because she didn't exactly follow her mother's vision of how she wanted her daughter to live, and that's one reason why this theme arises in her work from time to time. I'm personally glad she made the decision she did, to write, perform, and record music...it would have been a shame if she hadn't shared her special gifts with all of us. Scott, often found with that "glazed look" when listening to Joni ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:56:05 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Resist the Eclipse Hype Part II (NJC) > You were so lucky to experience the Perseus showers > in the mountains. A good friend of mine was backpacking in CO during > that time. She remembered some madman screaming from across the ridge, > that Nixon had resigned. Could that have been you Paul? > > > > ;>) Would you be surprised if it was? > NO! I'll have to ask my friend if the madman on the mountain ridge was a baritone. > Paul I > Who usually watched the Perseids from a field in Illinois during his youth. > Ah, yes fond memories abound. You say Perseids and I say Perseus....What the hell do I know - It's all Greek to me! jody ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #350 ************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?