From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 347 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni one Liners [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: joni one liners [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] david wilcox (njc) ["Alan Larson" ] Re: david wilcox (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Surprising Joni Fan Discovery [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Judy covers Joni [Steve Dulson ] Re: Judy covers Joni [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Surprising Joni Fan Discovery ["Brett Code" ] Re: Songs I Wish Joni Will Sing [Don Rowe ] Pamela Anderson Lee ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJCNJCNJCNJCNJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJCNJCNJCNJCNJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) [Heather Galli ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni's one (or two or three) -liners ["Helen M. Adcock" ] RE: falling in love! [Susan McNamara ] One-liners [Susan McNamara ] vacation (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni's one (or two or three) -liners [PJT ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:21:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) Don, Is it too late to throw the group "Hansen" in the bashing pile? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:36:50 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Joni one Liners Tell me why to you starve the faithful Why do you crucify the Saints From Sire of Sorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:29:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: joni one liners John mentions: <> Which completes the cycle begun when Gina quoted the first part of the lyric: "In search of love & music my whole life has been"... And it's fine to quote only the first part but it makes for a simple statement. (My life's been in search of love and music/truth and beauty. Pretty universal, but not so deep.) It's only when you add the capper, the follow-up, the closer that John's quoted, that the lyrical magic of Joni comes out to play and weaves its spell. The search for the "something shiny", the love and beauty, starts as illumination and becomes corruption, so the diving, diving, diving continues... What you thought was a silver coin becomes a pop-top... Bob NP: "Cotton Avenue" from 06/14/83 Universal Amphitheatre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:42:06 -0000 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: david wilcox (njc) definitely check out david wilcox... he has 4 cd's out... home again, big horizons, turning point, and the nightshift watchman. he does not cover joni, but does original stuff... the last one is his earliest recording, and you would prob have to order it, but def. worth the wait... can't say that one is better than the others, as it's all a matter of preference, i guess... but he is an excellent folk guitarist and has a voice that grows on you... and his writing is exemplary. and if you like political folk, bruce cockburn and phil ochs are two of the best original writers of all time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:48:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: david wilcox (njc) Alan Larson wrote: > definitely check out david wilcox... he has 4 cd's out... home again, big > horizons, turning point, and the nightshift watchman. Great suggestion. I'd also recommend John Gorka. Jerry np: Bonnie Raitt: Longing In Their Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:54:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Surprising Joni Fan Discovery Kakki, who brings out the Joni in everybody, surprises even herself: <> Or as Joni would sing... Jeans and Beams and building sites, Whistling at girls with all his might, Going out drinking beer at night, I'd looked at Larry that way, But now I've seen another side He "beams" of Joni with much pride Maybe he would've even cried But that's another Day I've looked at Larry from Both Sides Now He's gruff and rough but still somehow I thought his macho brain was small, I really don't know Larry.....at all :~D Bob NP: "Banquet" from same show, 06/14/83 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:03:37 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Judy covers Joni Someone was asking which Joni songs Judy Collins had covered besides BSN, and someone added Michael from Mountains. In her book "Singing Lessons" Judy writes "In the 'Time' interview...Clinton said he and Hilary had named their daughter Chelsea after my recording of Joni Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning."" I don't recall Judy covering this... which album is it on? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:06:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy covers Joni Steve Dulson wrote: > Someone was asking which Joni songs Judy Collins had covered besides > BSN, and someone added Michael from Mountains. In her book "Singing > Lessons" Judy writes "In the 'Time' interview...Clinton said he and > Hilary had named their daughter Chelsea after my recording of Joni > Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning."" I don't recall Judy covering this... > which album is it on? On the previously mentioned Living album. She also recently recorded a studio version. I believe it is on her new Both Sides Now cd. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:15:21 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Surprising Joni Fan Discovery Hey Bob, Thanks for this little song. I sang it out loud in my office, and it cheered me right up. Larry has touched me now, thanks to you, Kakki and Joni. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:31:26 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Male Folkies Ryan Lantrip asked: >I was just wondering if anyone could recommend good male folk artists that >have covered joni's songs, or good folk artists in general. I know about >tom rush, but are there any others? And that old folkie Steve replies, in no particular order: Eric Anderson (Joni connection) Ian Tyson (Joni connection) Stan Rogers ("I want to listen to Joni Mitchell on the radio and make love") James Keelaghan Jack Hardy Dave Carter (w/Tracy Grammer) Garnet Rogers Darryl Purpose Steve Goodman John Prine Tom Russell Greg Brown Bob Franke Dick Gaughan Steve Gillette (w/Cindy Mangsen) (Joni connection) Jimmie Dale Gilmore Ralph McTell Chip Taylor And you know, there may be more...heck, there ARE a ton more, but any of these guys would be a good place to start. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Songs I Wish Joni Will Sing As long as we're writing wish lists for the standards album, I'll cast my vote for "Someone To Watch Over Me" Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:47:10 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Pamela Anderson Lee >Pamela Anderson Lee Does she SING? I don't even want to think about it! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:59:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > > Does she SING? I don't even want to think about it! She does in her video with Tommy Lee ;-) Jerry (alias Nasty Boy) np: Phoebe Snow: I Can't Complain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee > Does she SING? I don't even want to think about it! > Mercifully, not yet -- at least that I'm aware of. Of course, that doesn't mean she might won't up in a "Plug Of the Week" post(sorry, couldn't resist ;-). Actually Bob just asked "Who can we bash?" -- so I spread it around a little (there I go again!) ... oh boy, I better quit before I offend someone ... Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJCNJCNJCNJCNJC) Catherine and I both grovel before you and beg forgiveness for excluding the NJC tag on this most vile and un-becoming subject matter. Now if we can just elude the Baywatch police ... Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:14:56 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee i had actually considered a response to y'all regarding the bashing of pamela lee but i refrained. you see it came from my harsh side and i am trying to repress that part of my personality right now and allow my softer side to take over my life. but since it has lingered on the thread, i can not resist any longer. "all bashing of pamela lee should be reserved for tommy, and tommy alone." ok, that was it. perhaps she has presented us all with an image of forgiveness to which we should aspire. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:20:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJCNJCNJCNJCNJC) Speak for yourself. I can do my own grovelling, thank you very much. (Yeah, I know, I keep forgetting about that NJC thing - every time I see it, I have to run to my dictionary of acronyms to figure out what it means.) >From: Don Rowe >To: cateri@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJCNJCNJCNJCNJC) >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) > >Catherine and I both grovel before you and beg >forgiveness for excluding the NJC tag on this most >vile and un-becoming subject matter. Now if we can >just elude the Baywatch police ... > >Don Rowe >_____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Innocence Mission New Release review ... (NJC) It's been a slow year in the new material department. So I looked forward to the announcement of "Birds of My Neighborhood", the new Innocence Mission, just in today. I've always liked Karen Peris' voice, and her lyrics tend towards more thoughtful insights than the "mother lamentations" of so many other singers these days. Their last album, produced by Larry Klein, and charmingly thanking "Joni Mitchell Klein" in the liner notes, was understated yet intricate. Mellow but interesting, with little nuances to be picked up across multiple listenings. "Birds of My Neighborhood" is at best, merely understated. With arrangements accurately described as "skeletal", the tracks blend together politely, with the overall result a bit too anesthetizing. This is true to the point that the somewhat curious inclusion of John Denver's "Follow Me" slips by almost without notice. Without doubt, the playing, especially the acoustic guitar work is well-turned, but the craftiness isn't enough to carry the songs by itself. In the end, all we are left with is a disappointing sameness. Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:24:21 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) My God, that woman is just such a bundle of talent! What can't she do? >From: Jerry Notaro >Reply-To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu >To: Catherine McKay >CC: dgrowe227@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:59:11 -0400 > >Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > Does she SING? I don't even want to think about it! > >She does in her video with Tommy Lee ;-) > >Jerry (alias Nasty Boy) > >np: Phoebe Snow: I Can't Complain > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:27:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) She sings, she dances ... and she is the very font of forgiveness. To what great heights can we mere mortals aspire? >From: Siresorrow@aol.com >To: dgrowe227@yahoo.com, cateri@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:14:56 EDT > >i had actually considered a response to y'all regarding the bashing of >pamela >lee but i refrained. you see it came from my harsh side and i am trying to >repress that part of my personality right now and allow my softer side to >take over my life. > >but since it has lingered on the thread, i can not resist any longer. > >"all bashing of pamela lee should be reserved for tommy, and tommy alone." > >ok, that was it. perhaps she has presented us all with an image of >forgiveness to which we should aspire. >ss. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:35:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) Jerry said about Ms. Lee: <> No, she just hums...:~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:50:25 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) >Jerry said about Ms. Lee: > ><> > >No, she just hums...:~D > Didn't she make *that* video with some other guy than Tommy Lee? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:01:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > My God, that woman is just such a bundle of talent! What can't she do? As much as she is a no-talent wonder, I admire her for getting her breasts implants removed. It's a start. And I think that her forcing Tommy out and having him arrested and making him take anger management was smart and brave. He seems to have changed considerably. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:05:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Both sides now >Except for Joni, Dianne Reeves and Cassandra Wilson, all other >versions of >BSN make me cringe, including that of Frank Sinatra's. Did William Shatner ever record BSN? ;) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:29:13 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Pamela Anderson Lee (NJC) OK, I wasn't going to do this, but I can't help myself. You said, >As much as she is a no-talent wonder, I admire her for getting her >breasts implants removed. It's a start. to which my immediate knee-jerk response was, well what about the lips? however, realizing what a chain reaction such a remark could raise, I refrained. But only for a moment - HA! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:09:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Joni's one (or two or three) -liners I'm a bit late jumping in on this thread, but what the hell! Apologies if I'm repeating anyone else's choices. Down To You "Everything comes and goes, pleasure moves on too early, and trouble leaves too slow" In France They Kiss On Main Street "They've been broken in churches and schools, and molded to middle class circumstance" Coyote "There's no comprehending, just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes And the lips you can get, and still feel so alone" Song For Sharon "My friends were calling up all day yesterday, all emotions and abstractions It seems we all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction" Refuge Of The Roads "A thunderhead of judgment was gathering in my gaze" Come In From The Cold "I feel disabled by these bonfires in my spine I don't know who the arsonist was, which incendiary soul" Love Puts On A New Face "I said 'Send me some pictures then and I'll paint pyrotechnic Explosions of your autumn till we meet again'" Taming The Tiger "Formula music, girly guile, genuine junkfood for juveniles" The Crazy Cries Of Love "Every kiss was sweet and strong, every touch was totally tandem" Great alliteration in these last two - but still not as good as Stills in "Helplessly Hoping". I still have yet to hear a song that comes close to matching his! I could have picked a line from every song - Joni turns a phrase like no one else - but I settled for a few favourites. But still my favourite all time lyric is from Carole King, from the "Touch The Sky" album and the song "Crazy" - "I don't believe in living in the middle with available extremes"! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:20:16 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: falling in love! Chris asks: > >So: who else has fallen in love with someone while falling in love with >Hejira? > >Just curious :-) Even though Hejira wasn't the album, I can't resist telling the story of how I fell in love with the guy who exactly fit these lines: He was playing on the sidewalk for passing change and something strange happened Glory train passed through him So he buried the coins he made in people's park And went looking for a woman to court and spark ... The whole song freaked me out and to this day I can't tell whether I fell in love because Joe fit the song or the song fit Joe. He claims to this day that I don't get excited about anything unless it is someway related to Joni Mitchell. He may be right!!! :-) I also need to say that there is nothing more excruciatingly painful or escatically joyful at the same time as falling in love. I try to do it daily!! It seemed like he read my mind He saw me mistrusting him and still acting kind He saw how I worried sometimes I worry sometimes ... take care, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:28:48 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: One-liners This one always always always blows me away: And the power of reason And the flowers of deep feelings Seem to serve me Only to deceive me ... Song for Sharon To me Hejira is a miracle ... take care, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:01:52 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: vacation (njc) We leave tomorrow for a holiday; I'll be back answering mail Monday the 23rd. Be well, everybody. David Lahm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:36:33 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) In a message dated 09/08/99 19:02:18 GMT Daylight Time, RPBell3@newchurch.edu writes: << Not to start anything, or anything, but you forgot Jackson Browne ;-)>>> And Aaron Neville :P >> Whoaa! Hold on a second there!! Aaron Neville may have made a few bad choices of song and producer, but the man has the voice of an angel, and not just when he's doing that fluttery falsetto: his extraordinary covers of two Dylan songs, With God On Our Side and The Ballad of Hollis Brown are well known; check out out his solo album "Warm Your Heart" (being sure to skip the duet with Linda Ronstadt), with its simply beautiful renditions of John Hiatt, Allen Toussaint, an old Bahamian spiritual and, best of all, Randy Newman's "Louisiana 1927", which makes you wonder whether anyone could have sung that song with such grace and exquisite taste. And let's not forget that Aaron is built like a brick shithouse and looks as if he could have Mike Tyson in a fist fight!! What a guy! Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:36:30 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Enough with the Basher Bashing! (NJC) In a message dated 09/08/99 18:18:35 GMT Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << Please feel freee to bash-at-will, the following: >> Almost spot-on, Don, but I disagree about the Velvets, even if Lou Reed has become more insufferably pompous with each passing year, and some misguided fool has clearly told him he can sing - you can't, Lou, and it didn't stop you being great! I'd also say Dexys had some great moments and at least one great album, although the posters for Kevin Rowland's new single (a very limp cover of "Concrete and Clay") have the most grotesque cover in living memory: Kevin is wearing a dress - wait, that's not my gripe, I can take the idea of a man in a dress, I'm a David Bowie fan after all. No, the problem is he's heavily made up, and lifting the dress to reveal - yes! - stockings and suspenders. If that doesn't sound grotesque, believe me, you have to see it. The man was always a few sandwiches short of a picnic, so maybe we shouldn't be surprised. Speaking of pop stars going off their trolley, that's a rum business about Sinead O'Connor becoming a priest, isn't it?! One last thing, Don: you missed off the number one, easy target, bash-at-will-it-won't-make-any-difference monstrosity: Michael Bolton. He may have put an end to his bad hair decade(s), but his records are still, as we say in blighty, UTTER PANTS! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: Joni's one (or two or three) -liners Okay, I have been reading and reading this thread and I love it, so here is one of mine from FTR: "Is it all books and words or do you really feel it? Do you really laugh, do you really cry, do you really smile when you smile....." Pam _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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